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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:13:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 9:14:56 AM EDT by InfiniteGrim]
This is the thread where you realize you spend too much on your AR....






-Armalite M15A4 $850 (from local gunstore during Obama panic)
-Aimpoint PRO $380 -$70 for selling included mount $310
-Aimpoint Cover $25
-LaRue LT-129 used ebay $120
-MI Rail $120 used
-Blem PWS FSC556 $80
-LaRue Fug $99
-Troy Rear site $80 (SKD 30% bin laden sale)
-Magpul MIAD $35
-LaRue Index Clips $30
-Elzetta M60 $125 ( 30% black friday sale)
-Vikings Tactics light mount $20
-Magpul ASAP $18 (SKD 30% bin laden sale)

Total: $1912



I got most of that on sale, probably would have been $300+ more if I had bought it full price!



Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:21:13 AM EDT
Free. My son had too many in his safe.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:21:31 AM EDT
Palmetto "M4A1" 16" carbine$667
Fn carry handle. $50
MI sling adapter $15
Mbus (for later optics...)$28
ms3 sling $50

$810
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:26:57 AM EDT
Too much. OPSEC
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:27:13 AM EDT
Items with sales tax:
LE6920: $1150
Daniel Defense M4A1RIS II: $370
Surefire M300: $279
VLTOR stock: $95
Magpul VFG: $20
Magpul BAD lever: $25
Battlecomp 2.0: $165
Rainier Arms lo-pro gas block: $45
$2149 with 9.5% sales tax = $2353.16

Items bought online:
EOTech 553: $630
Troy Battle Sights: $220
$850

Grand total: $3203.16 +/- a few bucks for shipping and whatevs.

Not included in this total are things that I use on more than this gun, for example I bought about 40 new mags and a few thousand rounds while I was building this last year, but those were specifically for me, other rifles, and the future, and not just this rifle


Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:28:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 9:41:18 AM EDT by Augee]
Never, ever tally up the total cost of your rifle in its "working" configuration.

It will just depress you.

I think the last time I tallied up just the items I added to my issued rifle it came out to over $2K (though this of course included an ELCAN SpecterDR and DocOptic combo).

~Augee

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:30:12 AM EDT
I was looking at this last week and realized that I have $1900 into one, $1500 into another. My "cheap" dedicated .22 has $850 into it.

Realizing that I had a rediculous amount into those three I set out to build a more cost effective rifle: PSA chrome lined M4 with Magpul MOE furniture and removable carry handle =$700 .... Now we're talking. Should be here in the next week or so.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:30:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Too much. OPSEC


I don't think this violates any OPSEC, if you post a single pic of your rifle I could probably put together list of parts that comes within 10% of what you paid, assuming you bought new
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:31:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Will816:
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Too much. OPSEC


I don't think this violates any OPSEC, if you post a single pic of your rifle I could probably put together list of parts that comes within 10% of what you paid, assuming you bought new


Yep, one picture shows everything. This thread is about facing the facts and disgusting you in how much you spent
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:39:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 9:40:18 AM EDT by hellbound]
I thought you were a "poor college student" OP? or is that only to get freebies?



my two 14.5" middies are probably up around $2000 a piece

this is not taking into consideration that one started its life as a Colt MT6400C and has gone through about a dozen revisions, 3 barrels, 3 stocks, 4 slings, 3 lights, 4 light mounts, 4 BUIS, 3 rails, 4 VFG setups, 4 rail covers, 3 optics, 4 mounts, etc...
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:41:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 9:57:44 AM EDT by btm7687]
I actually made a spreadsheet when I was putting together my gun...it's so much I'm almost afraid to admit it:

All prices are with tax/shipping/everything:

Lower:
AGP Arms Lower - $113.43
Daniel Defense LPK - $82.04
Magpul Aluminum trigger guard - $26.30
BAD-ASS Ambi Safety - $47.84
Magpul MIAD Basic grip, CTR, Stock mounting kit, ASAP - $225
AR15 Buttstock wrench - $6.99
5x Maglevl PMAGs - $75

Lower Total: $576.60


Upper:
MSTN custom LMT upper with LaRue 12.0 rails and gasblock - $635 (bought from a member)
LMT BCG - $126
BCM Gunfighter - $46.74
KAC Micro Front BUIS - $153.15
KAC Micro Rear BUIS - $155
AFG2 - $33.90
3x XTM panels - $21.15
3x ladder rail covers - $34.35
Primary Arms micro red dot w/ riser - $132.99

Upper Total: $1,339.28

GRAND TOTAL: $1,914.88

I've been waiting for the 2MOA Aimpoint to come out...once that's on there with probably a LaRue mount and I swap out the rail covers and AFG2 for LaRue clips and handstops it'll be a $2,500 gun easily. Still want a BattleComp, need a sling, and some sort of light and mount for it too. Lot of other things I could have bought for that kind of cash...PredatAR, OBR, Noveske, etc. but I love it still and I'll keep it forever.

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:41:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 9:48:02 AM EDT by InfiniteGrim]
Originally Posted By hellbound:
I thought you were a "poor college student" OP? or is that only to get freebies?



my two 14.5" middies are probably up around $2000 a piece

this is not taking into consideration that one started its life as a Colt MT6400C and has gone through about a dozen revisions, 3 barrels, 3 stocks, 4 slings, 3 lights, 4 light mounts, 4 BUIS, 3 rails, 4 VFG setups, 4 rail covers, 3 optics, 4 mounts, etc...


It took me 3 years to buy all of that. And I bought most of it used and everything else on sale.

Stop acting like a politician and taking a quote out of context. You dont even know the sentence that that quote came from.

Go troll someone else.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:47:34 AM EDT
PSA Stripped Lower
PSA Upper
RRA LPK (no trigger)
Geissele S3G Trigger
Magpul MIAD
Noveske QD Swivel Back Plate
BCM Gunfighter Mod 4 Charging Handle
KAC URX II Rail
KAC Handstop
KAC Combat Trigger Guard
AAC 51T Brake
Noveske 11.5" barrel
Spikes BCG
Colt H2 Buffer & Spring
LMT buffer tube
KAC Micro 200-600M Rear BUIS
Vickers VCAS sling
Magpul STR Stock
Aimpoint T-1 2MOA in Larue LT-751 Mount
Larue LT-272 Surefire Scout QD Mount
Surefire M300C
Surefire ST-07 rail mounted switch


Other costs associated with this build:
KAC URX Wrench
PRI Action Block
ATF Form 1 Check
Lower Engraving
AAC 762SDN6 Suppressor & Stamp

I'll have about $4400 in to this once it's all said and done....
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:52:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 9:55:13 AM EDT by Sajer]
My older Colt 6721 was $650 new some years ago + scope = $800

Bushy 20" was $480 used an never added anything other than a cheap scope to it.

Build #1 was about $1000 with DSA upper, miad, AFG, Stag Lower, STAG fcG, DD bolt and rail,AIMPoint M3, with an ACS stock.

Build #2 was Bushy lower, PSA upper,Basic stock, RRA trigger, DD bolt, Moe grip, and magpul sights for about $850

Build #3 with Stag lower, 11.5 Model 1 Upper, DD bolt, Stag fcg, and MI sights was about $800 + stamp = $1k ish

Build #4 sold - Bushy Lower, Armalite bolt, Stag lpk , A2 stock used with buffer, J&T 20 upper - $650
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:56:43 AM EDT
$3,400 and $2,600.... Way too much, but I love them.

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:05:15 AM EDT
Well, I'm not yet finished getting my recently purchased first AR to where I want it, but it's currently looking like:

Daniel Defense M4V4
Aimpoint M4S Optic
AAC M4-2000 Suppressor
AAC Blackout 51T Muzzle Brake
Magpul MBUS Front and Rear Back-Up Sights
Magpul MIAD Grip

Currently somewhere between $3,200-$3,400...and $200 on top of that if you include the pending tax stamp for the suppressor.

Though things are about to get quite a bit pricier as I'm already going to be selling my not even used Aimpoint M4S (wish I could return it ) to replace it with a Trijicon ACOG TA11-RMR or TA33-RMR. That will add about another $1,100 or so to the total. It's been a pricey month, but I wanted to do my first AR right, and how I wanted it.

Let's just say it will take quite some time to talk the wife into letting me pick up the 10.5" Noveske 300 Blackout rifile that I am currently eyeing as my next purchase though.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:06:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
This is the thread where you realize you spend too much on your AR....

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g165/InfiniteGrim/dyed%20PMAG/IMG_5035.jpg




-Armalite M15A4 $850 (from local gunstore during Obama panic)
-Aimpoint PRO $380 -$70 for selling included mount $310
-Aimpoint Cover $25
-LaRue LT-129 used ebay $120
-MI Rail $120 used
-Blem PWS FSC556 $80
-LaRue Fug $99
-Troy Rear site $80 (SKD 30% bin laden sale)
-Magpul MIAD $35
-LaRue Index Clips $30
-Elzetta M60 $125 ( 30% black friday sale)
-Vikings Tactics light mount $20
-Magpul ASAP $18 (SKD 30% bin laden sale)

Total: $1912



I got most of that on sale, probably would have been $300+ more if I had bought it full price!





loving that camo pattern....where did you get it dipped?
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:16:27 AM EDT
Not as much as a lot of you guys, but they work for me.

#1 - Carbine

16 inch Spikes M4 LE - $800
Aimpoint PRO - $410
Troy Rail - $120
BattleComp - $160
MBUS - $55
Magpul CTR - $90 (I think)
Magpul MOE grip - $25 ish
Magpul Enhanced trigger guard - $15
Fenix TK-10 - $80
VTAC light mount - $20
Magpul XTM panels - $30
Sling - $30
Sling mount/end plate - $20

Total $1855

#2 - 10.5" SBR

PSA lower - $80
Spikes 10.5" complete upper - $500
MOE Lower Build Kit - $140
MI 9" Rail - $145
MBUS - $85
Aimpoint H-1 - $460
ADM mount - $90
Sling - $20
Magpul Sling Mount - $20
Magpul rail ladders - $25
Tax Stamp - $200

Total - $1765

Coming soon for #2 - Suppressor, suppressor mount and tax stamp - $1100 ish

#3 - Very early stages, going to be a Recce

PSA Lower - $50
Other miscellaneous parts - $300 or so
About $1400 or so to go including 1-4x optic.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:17:43 AM EDT


PredatAR Upper - $900
Troys - $120
BattleComp - $125 minus $100 for the sale of the surefire it replaced = $25
Fail Zero BCG - $200
Index Clips/Handstops - $30
OBR Sling Adapters - $40
BADASS & Geissele S3G Combo - $275
DPMS Lower - $60
MOE Trigger Guard - $7
MIAD - $20
LMT Receiver Extension/spring - $40
VLTOR IMOD - $70
ikickhippies SLAP - $20

That brings me to $1787 which is $288 over the cost of a stock PredatAR, no wait time as I found the upper on the EE and it is set up the way I like it.

Trijicon TR24G + Larue Mount + Butler Creek Caps + Raven Cat Tail - $750

With Optic - $2537

Ugh... thanks for reminding me how much money I spent
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:24:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 10:26:18 AM EDT by Shay_Ellafrits]
No pics yet but

BCM m4 upper- 400 used
R-Guns Lower, 150
Del-Ton LPK, around 70ish
LMT Sopmod- Free
Ergo Grip- 25
Daniel Defense m4 risII- 330
Pelican weapons light- 60
Matech rear- 35
Arms front sight- 40
Vtac sling (coming soon) 30
Troy sling mount- 40
Krylon- 20

Total- 1170 for now

Not bad for a high school kid. Now, my precision bolt gun, that's a little over 2k... Taco Bell pays well.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:28:40 AM EDT
Ddm4 1200
Primary arms 3x 300
Miad grip 30
1530
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:29:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 10:34:05 AM EDT by urbanredneck]
RRA middy $847
Single point sling $35
Sling mount $15
Aimpoint mount $55
Aimpoint $315
Pic mounts $25
TLR1 light $75

Total $1367

Upgrades

PSA middy upper SS Wilson barrel and Midwest free float $599
Magpul sights $60

So figuring that I recycled the RRA upper onto a rifle for my son that saved me $350...

So I figure somewhere around $1615 total.


My son's

Spikes lower $85
RRA upper $350
Progmag BUIS $55
PSA LPK $65

$555 TOTAL

I didn't add in mags and a chest rig
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:36:51 AM EDT
Full retail is $4897.00, not counting the suppressor

That's what she's insured for to!



Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:08:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mattyvac:
Too much. OPSEC


Meaning you don't want your SO to find out.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:18:16 AM EDT


Smith & Wesson MP15 OR $1075 from local store (after tax)
Troy TRX Standard 13" $185 from amazon
Troy Low profile gas block $ 39 from local store
Magpul MOE+ grip $22 from amazon
Magpul Mbus 2nd gen sights $100 from local store
Magpul Enhanced trigger guard $ 18 from local store
Magpul XTM rail panel covers $ 7.95? x 4 plus shipping from magpul

$1473.00 give or take a few dollars.

Im happy with that given the fact that i have chromed barrel lining, chamber, carrier, gas key. M4 Polished feed ramps, 7075 t6 upper and lower receivers, and a lifetime warranty.

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:22:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 11:26:18 AM EDT by patchz]
Sig 516 with Magpul MOE grip & stock $1359.90 including shipping and FFL receiver fee
Leatherwood CMR $317.99
Burris P.E.P.R. QD mount $89.95
Voodoo 42" Tactical case $95.95
Magpul rail covers $22.96
Sig Stoplight vertical grip with light and laser $160.00

Total $2046.75

Don't have a current pic, just this one with the pos Barska mounted that I had to send back.

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:31:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 11:53:24 AM EDT by KimberTLE45]
BCM 14.5" Mid-length Upper with BCG, 12" LaRue, Pinned Battlecomp - $1220
BCM Lower + Transfer - $360
Magpul CTR - $75
Magpul MIAD - $35
Magpul AFG-2 - $30
Troy/ LaRue BUIS - $200
Geiselle SSA - $120
Index Clips - $30
Trijicon TA31RCO-M4 in LT-100 - $1180
Surefire X300 - $190
BAD-ASS Ambi selector - $50
BCM Gunfighter MOD 4 - $45

Total - $3535

Pic -
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:35:47 AM EDT
why do so many people buy triggers rather than working on their trigger control?
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:38:24 AM EDT
Because no matter how good you are a stock trigger sucks for precision work (especially MK12 clones and other SPR/RECCE type rifles). You have to try twice as hard to shoot the same groups versus just buying a better trigger and focusing on your shooting as a whole...not just your trigger control.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:39:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Because no matter how good you are a stock trigger sucks for precision work (especially MK12 clones and other SPR/RECCE type rifles). You have to try twice as hard to shoot the same groups versus just buying a better trigger and focusing on your shooting as a whole...not just your trigger control.


what is precision work?
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:41:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Because no matter how good you are a stock trigger sucks for precision work (especially MK12 clones and other SPR/RECCE type rifles). You have to try twice as hard to shoot the same groups versus just buying a better trigger and focusing on your shooting as a whole...not just your trigger control.


Agreed. I also found when shooting extremely quick while transitioning targets, I have to slow down or I shoot left due to the trigger. With my SSA and SD3G, this isn't an issue.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:42:10 AM EDT
Long range shooting. If you ever have the opportunity head to a range with steel silhouettes out to 500 or 600 yds. You'll have a great time and walk away with a better understanding of why people go with certain accessories/optics/triggers. Check you states hometown forum and see if anyone can recommend a range!
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:43:50 AM EDT
about 1500.00
BCM upper/bolt
Spikes lower
EOtech 512
MI Gen 2
MoE trigger guard
MoE grip
Mbus
Voltor stock
Troy rail covers
Pmags

+$ for the half AR sitting in my safe.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:45:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Long range shooting. If you ever have the opportunity head to a range with steel silhouettes out to 500 or 600 yds. You'll have a great time and walk away with a better understanding of why people go with certain accessories/optics/triggers. Check you states hometown forum and see if anyone can recommend a range!


oh i dont ever plan on using my ar15 to shoot at 5-600yards, for competition or anything else.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:48:54 AM EDT
If you're just going to be doing casual plinking at 50-100yds...and not competing in any type of shooting such as 3-Gun where speed and time counts, then the stock trigger will serve you just fine!
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:49:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 11:52:33 AM EDT by JMURACN]
Upper:
MEGA side charge upper: $140
Troy Extreme 13: $155
Young Manu. Side Charge BC: $125
BCM Gunfighter: $50
BCM Bolt: $50
DD 14.5 pencil barrel: $320
PWS 556: $90
KAC F/R Sights: $300
Machine Shop work to get the side charge upper to mate with the Troy HG: $150
Total: $1380

Lower:
S&W M&P Lower: $150
Phase 5 bolt release: $30
BADASS 45*: $80
Spikes Enhanced lower parts kit: $150
JP Spring kit: $20
POF buffer tube: $40
LT UDE Kit: $250
Magpul ASAP: $35
KNS Pins: $30
YHM Take Down Pins: $20
Total: $805

Grand Total of : $2185 (and i still want the new mirco aimpoint with LT mount!)
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 11:49:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 12:11:08 PM EDT by purehavoc]
I have roughly a little less than $800 in this complete build
PSA upper and lower w/ MOE gear , Primary Arms red dot w/ QR mount , I built this one off of the $49 stripped lowers they had on sale at Christmas

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/standardracer/IMAG0203-1-1.jpg




and about $710 in this build not counting the scope which I got for free 6 yrs ago in a previous purchase which I sold for more than I paid and kept the scope :D
Picked this one up complete for $599 on PSA's Christmas sale
QR scope rings for $20 used
Troy rear used $70
MOE handguard used $20
Forgot the $13 mag pictured :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/standardracer/IMAG0196-1.jpg
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:07:54 PM EDT
Upper w/CH off the EE $200
LMT BCG $120
Essential Arms lower $79
DPMS lower parts kit $50
Butt Stock/Tube off the EE $20
Pistol Grip off the EE $10
Sling off the EE $3

Total $482
Entertainment value = Priceless
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:28:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dphill:
Upper w/CH off the EE $200
LMT BCG $120
Essential Arms lower $79
DPMS lower parts kit $50
Butt Stock/Tube off the EE $20
Pistol Grip off the EE $10
Sling off the EE $3

Total $482
Entertainment value = Priceless
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii81/dphill15/0362.jpg


i like that the most so far.

so simple.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:35:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 8:54:02 PM EDT by mo4040]
Bushmaster lower (w/o stock...circa 2002) $230
BCM milspec rec extension $40
MagPul MIAD grip (full kit) $40
BAD ambi safety lever $60
Norgon Ambi-Catch $90
NFA tax stamp $200
MagPul CTR stock $100

LMT MRP CQB upper $1075
Troy BattleSights $230
Aimpoint Comp M4s w/ LaRue mount $760
Tango Down Rail Panels $35
MagPul ladder covers $12
SureFire X300 light $220
Gear Sector handstop $45
Noveske QD End Plate $24
Gear Sector slings (3) $100

Total $3261

Worth every penny....


Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:42:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 12:44:24 PM EDT by jBoy723]
After I hit the $75K mark about 5 years ago on everything firearms related, I stopped counting..I know my SR25 EMC with optics is right around 7K by itself..
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:44:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
After I hit the $75K mark about 5 years ago on everything firearms related, I stopped counting..I know my SR25 EMC with optics is right around 7K by itself..


A good chunk of that is probably your KAC stuff alone...
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:47:18 PM EDT
Are we counting the associated cans and tax stamps as well? I have ~$2k in my 9mm SBR... Not counting the can and 2 stamps (one for SBR, one for the can).
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:50:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BlahBlah:
Are we counting the associated cans and tax stamps as well? I have ~$2k in my 9mm SBR... Not counting the can and 2 stamps (one for SBR, one for the can).


Just counting the stuff that is specific for that rifle. So if your can is only for a certain AR then yes, but if you share it among several than no.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:50:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
After I hit the $75K mark about 5 years ago on everything firearms related, I stopped counting..I know my SR25 EMC with optics is right around 7K by itself..


A good chunk of that is probably your KAC stuff alone...


SAd but true..You're not too far behind me Brother..
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:57:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
After I hit the $75K mark about 5 years ago on everything firearms related, I stopped counting..I know my SR25 EMC with optics is right around 7K by itself..


A good chunk of that is probably your KAC stuff alone...


SAd but true..You're not too far behind me Brother..



Not even close...
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 1:11:10 PM EDT
So far 6920 M.O.E $980.00
about $50.00 mags
for a grand total of $1030.00
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 1:18:34 PM EDT
$750 on gunbroker.
$5 on old M1 garand cotton sling.






Link Posted: 2/22/2012 1:18:35 PM EDT
Rifle–– $1,000
Rail––$200
Gas block––$50
Grip-$25
ACOG-$800
Rail covers-$20
Trigger-$75
Stock––$110
Light & Mount––$80
MBUS-$80
______________________
Total: $2,415

I've spend many moons tinkering with the rifle & shooting it, I'd say it is a cheap hobby really.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 1:57:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 2:12:40 PM EDT by reyloxdm40]
Noveske 16" light reece mid length - 1500
VLTOR Emod - 125
Ergo grip - 25
Magpul triggergaurd - 25
Magpul BAD lever - 30
MI drop in rail - 150
ladder style rail covers - 25
Geissele Enhanced - 220
Troy rear sight in FDE - 125
FFL transfer fee - 45
CAA flashlight mount - 40
Surefire KX4 - 100
CAA sling - 50
Ergo VFG - 30
Spikes NiBo BCG - 225
Total = 2,715
http://


http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz31/rj33rbphotos/DSC02488.jpg
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 2:16:29 PM EDT
A gentleman would never tell....
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