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Truth2882
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Posted: 2/13/2012 6:40:01 PM
Which do you prefer and why? This is for a hd carbine
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Posted: 2/13/2012 6:47:07 PM
neither particularly,
that's a user preference thing so whichever fits you better
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:11:26 AM
Try 'em both! Don't let the hive sway you on a matter of ergonomics :-)
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:36:39 AM
AFG on the pistol (until its SBR'd). VFG on the rifle.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:52:43 AM
Originally Posted By Sieversic:
AFG on the pistol (until its SBR'd). VFG on the rifle.


Exact opposite for me. Prefer AFGs on rifles, VFGs on SBRs. Goes to show almost %100 user preference.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:55:02 AM
Tried a VFG for a while and took it off. Don't miss it.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 1:37:27 AM
I prefer the VFG. An AFG is nice, but for what I like, the VFG offers greater flexibility and options.
That said, it really is 100% personal preference.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 1:48:39 AM
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I like VFG's because you can store things in them. I store zip ties in mine... bolt/pin in my miad grip and batteries in my sopmod stock.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 1:52:03 AM
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I like VFG's because you can store things in them. I store zip ties in mine... bolt/pin in my miad grip and batteries in my sopmod stock.


Me too...I fold over the big zip ties in a tango down grip.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 4:13:47 AM
VFG. Well Ive used both on my AR and right now with my light/ IRD Im running a KAV grip. Im looking to replace it witha stubbier verion, most likely a magpul RVG.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:32:19 PM
I prefer vfg.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:40:20 PM
I tried the AFG, it just didnt feel right!

I will stick with the VFG.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 1:09:58 PM
I went with the afg, both for carbine and pistol, just liked the way it felt.

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Posted: 2/14/2012 1:14:18 PM
I just use the magwell.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 2:01:29 PM
I have tried the AFG's in the past and I hate them. I prefer nothing, but if I am running a weapon with a light I use a vertical grip.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 2:05:21 PM
I use VFG just for better control of the weapon. I usually just hold it at the mag well, but felt it could be yanked or knocked out of your hands much easier. If you are using it for HD I would suggest a VFG, but again it's always what you are more comfortable with. Try both.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 2:12:45 PM
Originally Posted By undercoverwookie:
I use VFG just for better control of the weapon. I usually just hold it at the mag well, but felt it could be yanked or knocked out of your hands much easier. If you are using it for HD I would suggest a VFG, but again it's always what you are more comfortable with. Try both.


VFG > AFG for a tactical environment.

-With PEQs and weapon lights, you can't use a AFG.
-VFG is better for weapon retention (especially in cases of CQB and room clearing)
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Posted: 2/14/2012 2:38:42 PM
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Originally Posted By undercoverwookie:
I use VFG just for better control of the weapon. I usually just hold it at the mag well, but felt it could be yanked or knocked out of your hands much easier. If you are using it for HD I would suggest a VFG, but again it's always what you are more comfortable with. Try both.


VFG > AFG for a tactical environment.

-With PEQs and weapon lights, you can't use a AFG.
-VFG is better for weapon retention (especially in cases of CQB and room clearing)


Myeh.

I'm not much of an AFG fan, but to say that you can't use one with a light and a PEQ is false. It may not work with your grip and preferred activation, but there are plenty of examples of folks happily using the AFG (sometimes "incorrectly") with PEQs and lights.

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Posted: 2/14/2012 2:48:58 PM
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Originally Posted By kkuo12887:
Originally Posted By undercoverwookie:
I use VFG just for better control of the weapon. I usually just hold it at the mag well, but felt it could be yanked or knocked out of your hands much easier. If you are using it for HD I would suggest a VFG, but again it's always what you are more comfortable with. Try both.


VFG > AFG for a tactical environment.

-With PEQs and weapon lights, you can't use a AFG.
-VFG is better for weapon retention (especially in cases of CQB and room clearing)


Myeh.

I'm not much of an AFG fan, but to say that you can't use one with a light and a PEQ is false. It may not work with your grip and preferred activation, but there are plenty of examples of folks happily using the AFG (sometimes "incorrectly") with PEQs and lights.

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Can you mount a AFG onto a rail of an M4 while having both a PEQ and light? Yes. But I cannot see it being used correctly in this case.
Can it be effective? No.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 4:43:25 PM
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Can you mount a AFG onto a rail of an M4 while having both a PEQ and light? Yes. But I cannot see it being used correctly in this case.
Can it be effective? No.


You can use an AFG just fine with lights and lasers. Effectiveness is a function of the end user.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 4:56:00 PM
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Originally Posted By kkuo12887:

Can you mount a AFG onto a rail of an M4 while having both a PEQ and light? Yes. But I cannot see it being used correctly in this case.
Can it be effective? No.




I'm not getting your insistance that it doesn't work despite the number of end-users who have very clearly demonstrated that it can.

I don't even use the damn things, nor did I recommend their use, but it doesn't change the fact that it can, in fact, work.

If we were to limit the use of gear to their "correct" purpose, we'd be in a sorry place indeed. However, now that you've shown me the light, I guess I'll stop using my poncho liner as a blanket, and only ever use it to line my poncho.

If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid. Some people like them. Some people use them incorrectly - but still like them. Not everyone shoots the same way.

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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:04:03 PM
How long of rail are you using?

I have used an AFG on a 12" rail and it was OK, but I prefer a VFG. I only use around an inch of it anyway since my ring finger is jammed in to the junction of the VFG and rail, with my index and middle on the rail.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:19:37 PM
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Originally Posted By kkuo12887:


Can you mount a AFG onto a rail of an M4 while having both a PEQ and light? Yes. But I cannot see it being used correctly in this case.
Can it be effective? No.


You can use an AFG just fine with lights and lasers. Effectiveness is a function of the end user.


I'd like to see you show me a optimal arrangement of an AFG, PEQ, and Surefire weapon light (not the X300) on an M4 with standard rails (KAC). You will literally have only 1 free unoccupied rail.

Can it work rails longer than the standard KAC rails? Perhaps. But when your BDE policy on modifications to weapons is basically only accessories that you can attach to the supplied rails, that AFG simply won't work.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:24:58 PM
AFG myself... I had a VFG and i held my pinky fully on the VFG, my ring and middle straddled where it meets the rail, and my pointer on the rail... so when i tried the AFG it did exactly that but a little more comfortable.

Its like a medium between the VFG and a plain hand guard. So I recommend for you to see what works best for you and your shooting scenario. Or.... BUY BOTH!
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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:26:18 PM
Originally Posted By kkuo12887:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By kkuo12887:


Can you mount a AFG onto a rail of an M4 while having both a PEQ and light? Yes. But I cannot see it being used correctly in this case.
Can it be effective? No.


You can use an AFG just fine with lights and lasers. Effectiveness is a function of the end user.


I'd like to see you show me a optimal arrangement of an AFG, PEQ, and Surefire weapon light (not the X300) on an M4 with standard rails (KAC). You will literally have only 1 free unoccupied rail.

Can it work rails longer than the standard KAC rails? Perhaps. But when your BDE policy on modifications to weapons is basically only accessories that you can attach to the supplied rails, that AFG simply won't work.


I didn't see you mention a KAC rail, specifically, M4s aren't limited to KAC rails either as they are not limited to just Military forces. Even if we are talking about US Military issue M4s, there is still a possibility of RIS II rails.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 5:37:49 PM
Both

I like the VFG on true quad rails because they are thick and do not work as well for the "thumb over" method of shooting

However, on the modular FF tubes like the Troy TRX Extreme/VTAC/Alpha, I find that the AFG works great


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