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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:27:34 PM EDT

I recently purchased a Noveske Upper/Lower matched set, full price non-blem, and it had several issues as shown in the first picture below. So I contacted Noveske, sent it in and had a replacement headed back to me the same day they signed for the returned set.

Now I wish they would have taken longer with more care because the new set they sent has the same if not more issues. Not that they would have known because when I picked it up it had dirt all over it and was chalky dry. No the transfer dealer didn’t get it dirty as it was wrapped and in a box, also oddly enough both sets so far have come with spider webs inside.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:31:06 PM EDT

[#1]

Its the new tactical dimpling!

I agree, thats pretty rough looking.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:33:51 PM EDT

[#2]

Are those actually pits in the forgings I see? Are the white specks places that did not anodize properly? I'd send it back and purchase the LaRue. At least LaRue will get it right the first time. Personally I would not have even completed the 4473 and have had the FFL return it.

This is only my opinion. YMMV

v/r
-m-

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:36:54 PM EDT

[#3]

Just send it back. Not a big deal. They will replace it till you're happy. Tell them that you are looking for a safe queen.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:37:23 PM EDT

[#4]

It's up to you.

Not sure how much you paid for it but they do look not top quality as far as finishing goes
Having said that, I think I would go ahead and build it. Tool is a tool after all.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:38:05 PM EDT

[#5]

I don't see anything wrong but i am on my phone so the pics aren't full size. Hell i've been wanting a matched set and can never find them in stock. If it's that big of a deal send it back again. I would build it up and shoot it though.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:38:41 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Just send it back. Not a big deal. They will replace it till you're happy. Tell them that you are looking for a safe queen.

Yup

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:41:04 PM EDT

[#7]

For the money, that is a deal breaker for me.

Hell, my $700 PSA AR has a better finish than that Noveske, I'd be disappointed as hell if I paid that kind of money to get what should have been sold a a blem upper.

I'd go order from the Dead Center of Texas, I'm sure those guys will not disappoint.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:41:53 PM EDT

[#8]

I would send them back and look elsewhere. For the price they cost I would not want those.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:41:57 PM EDT

[#9]

The white specks almost seem like aluminum shavings that got in the anodizing. Well honestly I really didn't think the replacement was going to come back with so many F ups. Not to mention I had to wipe all the dirt off of it and oil it down before I saw the blems.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:42:16 PM EDT

[#10]

Nothing wrong with those receivers. They are never going to be perfect & those small "imperfections" are quite normal.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:43:53 PM EDT

[#11]

Send it back again. Tell them you are not at all satisfied and they may want to actually find you one that looks good or they will need to refund your money.

I have a noveske upper that is a recent make I believe and it looks nothing like that.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:46:39 PM EDT

[#12]

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For the money, that is a deal breaker for me.

Hell, my $700 PSA AR has a better finish than that Noveske, I'd be disappointed as hell if I paid that kind of money to get what should have been sold a a blem upper.

I'd go order from the Dead Center of Texas, I'm sure those guys will not disappoint.

I hear you can see lines under the finish on larue lowers...

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:47:02 PM EDT

[#13]

Its not a matter of being a safe queen, its getting what you pay for. In this case, I paid more for less. When I returned the first set, I told them I would be dropping $2500 (MK12) into this rifle and wanted a set that no less than the perfection they are known for. This is what I got.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:49:56 PM EDT

[#14]

Its a firearm, not a Rolex.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:50:19 PM EDT

[#15]

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For the money, that is a deal breaker for me.

Hell, my $700 PSA AR has a better finish than that Noveske, I'd be disappointed as hell if I paid that kind of money to get what should have been sold a a blem upper.

I'd go order from the Dead Center of Texas, I'm sure those guys will not disappoint.

I hear you can see lines under the finish on larue lowers...

Maybe, but I'm betting that they wouldn't send out a blemished lower as a replacement for a returned blemished lower....

Nothing is perfect, but for that money I want a company to try to get as close to perfect as they can.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:51:59 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Nothing wrong with those receivers. They are never going to be perfect & those small "imperfections" are quite normal.

Exactly.

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:54:38 PM EDT

[#17]

Are they normal because thats the best they can do? It looks like they took the flash off with a damn dremel...

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:55:33 PM EDT

[#18]

Wow thats horrible..I have read they are the AR Gods...Does the second one look worse than the first one you returned?..My finish on both my RR and CMMG put that "Finish" to shame..There has to be something wrong here...I have never seen a Noveske but from what I read from their worshippers that is surely not what I would expect...Send it back and maybe give them a third try but you should not have had to send the first one back...If I put mine under a microscope I could not even bring out blemishes like that...

Posted: 11/22/2011 1:58:01 PM EDT

[#19]

They may be within normal tolerances of what is or isn't acceptable. But they look like shit to me. I have a $600 dollar gun that looks much better. And mine is miles away from some of the better one's I've seen.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:01:13 PM EDT

[#20]

I normally use Aero Precision receivers for my builds. I have never seen any of them look like that, and the last lower I bought was $70 bucks.

I understand it's a tool but you paid for premium you should get a premium product.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:05:47 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
I don't see anything wrong but i am on my phone so the pics aren't full size.

The pics are full size for me and everything seems copacetic to my eyes. Looks like an AR, looks functional. I don't see what's wrong.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:07:20 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

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I don't see anything wrong but i am on my phone so the pics aren't full size.

The pics are full size for me and everything seems copacetic to my eyes. Looks like an AR, looks functional. I don't see what's wrong.

Well I guess when it doesn't come out of your pocket, of course you don't see it.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:14:50 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
For the money, that is a deal breaker for me.

Hell, my $700 PSA AR has a better finish than that Noveske, I'd be disappointed as hell if I paid that kind of money to get what should have been sold a a blem upper.

I'd go order from the Dead Center of Texas, I'm sure those guys will not disappoint.

I hear you can see lines under the finish on larue lowers...

Maybe, but I'm betting that they wouldn't send out a blemished lower as a replacement for a returned blemished lower....

Nothing is perfect, but for that money I want a company to try to get as close to perfect as they can.

Actually i believe it was mark that said it was normal for their lowers to have lines visible. As for the op, i currently don't have a noveske lower but i have 2 of their uppers and they're very nice. All of my other lowers all had some kind of minor imperfections. Even my daniel defense. What you mainly paid for was the matched upper and lower so they would fit well together.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:15:00 PM EDT

[#24]

I would never ever settle for such shoddy parts. I can only imagine the ridicule you'd be subjected to at the 100 yard line of your local range if anyone were to notice those blemishes.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:15:20 PM EDT

[#25]

looks like crap. you gave them a chance already..so id go larue.

people can say its a tool all they want..and thats true. but to an extent you get joy out of this rifle, more so than just a tool. if your paying top dollar id expect everything to look top dollar.
I get joy out of shooting my rifles and looking at them

everything about them gets me excited!!

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:15:38 PM EDT

[#26]

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Nothing wrong with those receivers. They are never going to be perfect & those small "imperfections" are quite normal.

Exactly.

I agree...

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:18:26 PM EDT

[#27]

Certainly looks fine to me. Bolt it up and shoot the snot out of it. Its an AR, not a $5-50k Sporting shotgun. YMMV

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:19:47 PM EDT

[#28]

It's amazing to me the shit people complain about.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:23:44 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

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I don't see anything wrong but i am on my phone so the pics aren't full size.

The pics are full size for me and everything seems copacetic to my eyes. Looks like an AR, looks functional. I don't see what's wrong.

Well I guess when it doesn't come out of your pocket, of course you don't see it.

If it was out of my pocket and in my hands i wouldn't be worried. I made the ribs bigger on my phone and i see what you're talking about. The biggest problem it has are some pinholes where the buffer tube goes. Like everyone else has said, send it back and they'll fix it.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:24:41 PM EDT

[#30]

OP, maybe you should consider a different hobby like collecting watches or something. You're going to be really pissed if you ever shoot that gun and see all the wear that comes along with use.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:28:28 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I would never ever settle for such shoddy parts. I can only imagine the ridicule you'd be subjected to at the 100 yard line of your local range if anyone were to notice those blemishes.

Stevie wonder sees what you did there.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:31:13 PM EDT

[#32]

I used to be the same way. Now I couldn't give a shit about a blemish as long as the parts fit and the weapon runs. The more beat shit is now.... the more I like it. These aren't being handmade, one by one, by a skilled artisan. They are being cranked out by a CNC and have as little human contact as possible. Send it back or shut up and run it.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:34:01 PM EDT

[#33]

For the folks that always mention price when these threads come up...It has nothing to do with price. Obviously you can get a "blemish" free receiver at a lower cost or you could get a piece of crap. Same goes for the higher cost receivers. Paying "top dollar" for a pair of receivers doesn't mean you're going to get "imperfection" free parts regardless of brand reputation, so it really baffles me that folks get overly concerned with how they look. It doesn't affect function. The parts will get wear on them from use, if you even plan to use the gun. But I digress. Ultimately, OP, they're your property & if you aren't happy with the parts then send them back. You don't need to come to the Internet to get board approval for a decision that is obviously yours & yours alone to make.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:34:18 PM EDT

[#34]

I have a Doublestar lower with a flawless finish, why do some Noveske end up with these odd looking problems? While I wouldn't personally care, if you didn't buy that as a blem send it back. Like several other people have said, if you want a nice looking receiver, buy a LaRue, I never see these threads about his receivers.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:34:24 PM EDT

[#35]

If you think that is bad wait till you tap in the trigger gaurd and bolt catch roll pin.
I promise if you do it yourself there will be marks and finish damage.
Then you will have something to cry about.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:36:08 PM EDT

[#36]

If you plan on spending more on the gun than on the ammo it's going to see then send it back until you can get a gun worth framing. Otherwise just shoot it. It's two chunks of aluminum, with plastic and steel screwed to it.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:38:54 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
OP, maybe you should consider a different hobby like collecting watches or something. You're going to be really pissed if you ever shoot that gun and see all the wear that comes along with use.

I already said, I have 3 others to wear out. I don't care about normal machining marks or wear. These blems are half ass craftsmanship and don't give a fuck QC. Seems as if it all depends on whether your the type who doesn't give a fuck and throws your shit in the mud....or one who appreciates their tools.

I didn't ask if its wrong or right...I know these sets are fair at best for a premium price. I was just asking based on others experience with Noveske, can they do better?

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:40:44 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
OP, maybe you should consider a different hobby like collecting watches or something. You're going to be really pissed if you ever shoot that gun and see all the wear that comes along with use.

I already said, I have 3 others to wear out. I don't care about normal machining marks or wear. These blems are half ass craftsmanship and don't give a fuck QC. Seems as if it all depends on whether your the type who doesn't give a fuck and throws your shit in the mud....or one who appreciates their tools.

I didn't ask if its wrong or right...I know these sets are fair at best for a premium price. I was just asking based on others experience with Noveske, can they do better?

Yes, and they will if you ask them to.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:41:42 PM EDT

[#39]

Some people just can't be satisfied.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:43:03 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Its a firearm, not a Rolex.

Right- but is he to ASSUME that they got the internal tolerances correct when they were so careless with the exterior? Blending damage and machine work is part of my trade- one of those pictures of linear scoring is awful.

Yes it's a gun. Some of mine are beat to hell- but they were beat to hell by me. Not by a machinist.

I wonder which ones of you here would buy a NEW truck with a paint chipping and scratches in the sheet metal, and not expect better. I'd wager nobody here would do that.

This unit should have been sold as a blem. It's the customers job to bash it up.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:47:48 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Its a firearm, not a Rolex.

Right- but is he to ASSUME that they got the internal tolerances correct when they were so careless with the exterior? Blending damage and machine work is part of my trade- one of those pictures of linear scoring is awful.

I hear this all the time. There are companies who spend more time on superficial finish than getting the dimensions correct. The two have little to do with each other. I've seen plenty of Colts that didn't have a pretty finish. Yet, the dimensions and tolerances are in spec.

I wonder which ones of you here would buy a NEW truck with a paint chipping and scratches in the sheet metal, and not expect better. I'd wager nobody here would do that.

It's a fucking gun, not a Truck. I wonder why people always have to use analogies instead of letting their argument stand on its own merit?

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:48:36 PM EDT

[#42]

John, you need to fire someone or make sure they stay far away from any equipment or power tools in the shop. Like the OP I would be extremely livid if this garbage showed up at the FFL!!

If someone received a lower from a non worshiped manufacture, the people posting in this thread would trash that vendor or manufacture for it from here to eternity. But since it is a Tier1 operator grade Mfg I guess you're a pansy if you don't just accept this garbage and live with it. The OP paid good money for a quality receiver set. If Noveske ( or their fanbois ) make claims to be the pinnacle of the AR world they need to own up to this and make it right.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:52:26 PM EDT

[#43]

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If someone received a lower from a non worshiped manufacture, the people posting in this thread would trash that vendor or manufacture for it from here to eternity. But since it is a Tier1 operator grade Mfg I guess you're a pansy if you don't just accept this garbage and live with it.

Bullshit. Back up your claim or retract it. I've seen the claim made many times by butthurt owners of junk hobby guns and never backed up. I have never seen anyone defend a "tier 1" manufacturer over a cosmetic issue and criticize a hobby gun maker over a similar issue.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:56:13 PM EDT

[#44]

no, not expecting too much, just a QC problem they will fix...hopefully

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:57:05 PM EDT

[#45]

Bottom line, it is your parts and if you are unhappy send them back. I have a couple Noveske sets and they are nicer then what you got. They are good folks and would probably issue a refund if that is what you decide.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:58:49 PM EDT

[#46]

Send it back. Considering you paid $270+ for a matched receiver set from a "boutique" manufacturer, you should get a perfect product. You could have picked up a Spikes upper and lower for about $50 less and would have not gotten any blemishes.

Posted: 11/22/2011 2:59:50 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Its a firearm, not a Rolex.

Right- but is he to ASSUME that they got the internal tolerances correct when they were so careless with the exterior? Blending damage and machine work is part of my trade- one of those pictures of linear scoring is awful.

I hear this all the time. There are companies who spend more time on superficial finish than getting the dimensions correct. The two have little to do with each other. I've seen plenty of Colts that didn't have a pretty finish. Yet, the dimensions and tolerances are in spec.

I wonder which ones of you here would buy a NEW truck with a paint chipping and scratches in the sheet metal, and not expect better. I'd wager nobody here would do that.

It's a fucking gun, not a Truck. I wonder why people always have to use analogies instead of letting their argument stand on its own merit?

So why should I buy a Noveske?? Cause they can get the dimensions correct? Thats standard with any decent manufacturer.

Posted: 11/22/2011 3:03:12 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

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If someone received a lower from a non worshiped manufacture, the people posting in this thread would trash that vendor or manufacture for it from here to eternity. But since it is a Tier1 operator grade Mfg I guess you're a pansy if you don't just accept this garbage and live with it.

Bullshit. Back up your claim or retract it. I've seen the claim made many times by butthurt owners of junk hobby guns and never backed up. I have never seen anyone defend a "tier 1" manufacturer over a cosmetic issue and criticize a hobby gun maker over a similar issue.

All I know is my "junk hobby" gun looks better than this man's Noveske.

And I agree with Stonerriflefan44. And I won't retract it. Don't know about him.

Posted: 11/22/2011 3:06:50 PM EDT

[#49]

Perfectly NORMAL for a FORGING. This is what a FORGING looks like when the FORGING dies get used. The only way to avoid this is to make sure your FORGINGS are ran when the die is new, or close to new. There are also things that can be done with the prep and plating process to HELP avoid and COVER UP these "flaws", that really don't matter. Ever seen a Colt? Some of them look horrible. There is not a Mil-Spec requirement for the way a FORGING looks. There IS nothing wrong with those receivers and I wish that we didn't have to send out RMA's, replacement receivers, and even pay peoples FFL fees for issues like this. It cost a TON of money and the sale pretty much becomes a wash at that point. We eat it because of the level of service and product that we want offer. If your looking for perfect AR receivers then Billet is where it's at. Also what the FORGING itself looks like has absolutely nothing to do with how these receivers were machined and saying these FORGED receivers are no good is just insane IMO. Like I said we just deal with it and just so everyone is on the same page, things like this is what INCREASES the price to EVERYONE. Remember these ARE FORGINGS.

Posted: 11/22/2011 3:08:55 PM EDT

[#50]

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John, you need to fire someone or make sure they stay far away from any equipment or power tools in the shop. Like the OP I would be extremely livid if this garbage showed up at the FFL!! http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/razorblade_twinelovers/SDC13489.jpg

If someone received a lower from a non worshiped manufacture, the people posting in this thread would trash that vendor or manufacture for it from here to eternity. But since it is a Tier1 operator grade Mfg I guess you're a pansy if you don't just accept this garbage and live with it. The OP paid good money for a quality receiver set. If Noveske ( or their fanbois ) make claims to be the pinnacle of the AR world they need to own up to this and make it right.

AOP could of NOT used a sand paper wheel to remove the FORGING flash, then it would look just like a Colt or Bushmaster.

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