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Posted: 9/14/2011 4:30:51 AM

The new Vltor TS3 Tactical Sporter Carbine


Seen it on September 13th, 2011, History Channel’s Top Shot the new Vltor TS3 Tactical Sporter Carbine.

Basic Features of the VLTOR TS3 Carbine:

  • Vltor TS3 Lower Receiver featuring a beveled magazine-well, large button magazine release and three-position, quick-detachable single-point sling mount.

  • Vltor VIS-2A-AK polylithic/free float upper receiver assembly with 10-inch rail section and bolt assist.

  • EMod w/A5 Enhancement Kit (Enhanced Modstock) featuring integral rubber buttpad, multiple sling attachments and storage for up to eight AA-batteries or nine-3 volt lithium batteries. A5 receiver extension offers seven different stock placements.

  • Noveske hammer forged, chrome lined, 15-inch, 1-7 inch twist barrel with mid-length gas system.

  • Vltor Compensator (VC-A1) permanently attached to the barrel, making the barrel length a legal 16.25 inch barrel.

  • Bravo Company USA, Gunfighter Charging Handle (BCM-GFH-556-MOD4) designed by Vltor.

  • TangoDown SCAR Rail Panels and BattleGrip (BG-16)

  • Diamondhead USA, Flip-Up “Classic” Combat Sights


Style: M4 type carbine with extreme enhancements
Colors: Black on black
Weight: 7 lbs. 7 oz
Overall length (stock collapsed):32.5 inches
Overall length (stock extended):36.5 inches
LOP (stock collapsed): 11.5 inches
LOP (stocks fully extended): 14.75 (7-positions total between extended and collapsed)
Caliber: 5.56 NATO
Barrel: Noveske Medium contour, 15-inch Chrome-Line Hammer-forged with a pinned on Vltor VC-A1 “A1” type compensator (barrel length is a legal 16.25 inches)
Sight Distance: 15 inches
Fire Control Group: Standard “G.I.” type

Retail price: $2,495


What do you guys think, all the features and weight looks pretty good, the only thing is the high price.


Ref: http://www.vltor.com/ts3carbine.html




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Posted: 9/14/2011 5:03:10 AM
I thought this was a pretty awesome weapon, very similar to the AR in looks and functionality. However, a lot of those guys, self-professed "expert marksmen" missed the targets multiple times. Some of this I attribute to a new firearm; however, a couple of the guys were dead-bang on target within seconds after picking the weapon up from the platform.

I know through the power of television, magical things seem to happen, but I wonder about the accuracy.

And you're right, the price is prohibitively high, at least for now. Just wait til the Chinese or Germans start mass producing these. :)
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Posted: 9/14/2011 5:04:56 AM
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You know I love VLTOR... and I was surprised when I saw that on the show tonight. VLTOR makes the BEST stocks IMO... But that right there... meh.

For a cool grand more than a PredatAR.... why?

I expect the PredatAR shoots better. Is lighter. Doesn't have a big ol cheese grater rail on it. Better trigger.

Meh... I am a huge VLTOR fan but honestly they need to step it up a bit more lately... there are so many things they could be doing right now to better their product line and keep a firm grip on being a industry leader.

So many EASY things they could be doing. But they just aren't... I don't understand why.

I will still buy Imods.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 5:45:05 AM
I'm not seeing $2500 worth of rifle, but that's just me
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Posted: 9/14/2011 5:49:06 AM
Originally Posted By apierce918:
I'm not seeing $2500 worth of rifle, but that's just me


nope, not just you. I'm not seeing it either.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:21:36 AM
Pretty rifle, but the price point is way to high.

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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:46:00 AM
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Pretty rifle, but the price point is way to high.


Yep, I wouldnt pay more than the price of a Noveske N4.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:51:05 AM
Originally Posted By apierce918:
I'm not seeing $2500 worth of rifle, but that's just me


Not even close. Some are really cashing in on how much people will pay for a "designer" AR.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 7:54:51 AM
That looks like a $1600 rifle right there. Beautiful, but too rich for what it is.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:27:49 AM
Originally Posted By AR15ophile:
I thought this was a pretty awesome weapon, very similar to the AR in looks and functionality. However, a lot of those guys, self-professed "expert marksmen" missed the targets multiple times. Some of this I attribute to a new firearm; however, a couple of the guys were dead-bang on target within seconds after picking the weapon up from the platform.

I know through the power of television, magical things seem to happen, but I wonder about the accuracy.

And you're right, the price is prohibitively high, at least for now. Just wait til the Chinese or Germans start mass producing these. :)


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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:32:42 AM
2,400... You wont see this one in my safe !
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Posted: 9/14/2011 8:54:15 AM
For $1,600 I would consider it. For $2,400 I can get a OBR lite modded to my specs.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:00:40 AM
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Pretty rifle, but the price point is way to high.


Agreed, and at the price point it's unacceptable to have a shitty trigger, a cheap flash hider, and it's a DI gun.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:10:11 AM
Originally Posted By zulthor:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Pretty rifle, but the price point is way to high.


Agreed, and at the price point it's unacceptable to have a shitty trigger, a cheap flash hider, and it's a DI gun.



this is a good thing to me.


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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:13:52 AM
I love Vltor products but like the others I'm having a hard time seeing where the $2500 comes from. I'd like someone to break down the components to see what price we get.
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I too saw it on Top Shot last night and thought it looked pretty good. I also noticed that so many of the guys were having accuracy issues. I wonder if someone zeroed the rifles incorrectly or the unfamiliar rifle combined with the pressure just got to them.

Considering a DD M4 is $1366, this has Diamondhead sights, a few nice upgrades, and a Noveske barrel, I agree with most others here that it's a solid $1600 rifle. For $2500, they're smoking crack. I think the complete lower was advertised a little while back at ~ $700. And you're not even getting a match trigger.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:24:16 AM
Wow, that's a pricey rifle.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 9:33:27 AM
I really, really like it. The price is crazy, but maybe they have to pay for the TV advertising.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 10:49:41 AM
Originally Posted By AR15ophile:
I thought this was a pretty awesome weapon, very similar to the AR in looks and functionality. However, a lot of those guys, self-professed "expert marksmen" missed the targets multiple times. Some of this I attribute to a new firearm; however, a couple of the guys were dead-bang on target within seconds after picking the weapon up from the platform.

I know through the power of television, magical things seem to happen, but I wonder about the accuracy.

And you're right, the price is prohibitively high, at least for now. Just wait til the Chinese or Germans start mass producing these. :)



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Posted: 9/14/2011 11:11:56 AM
Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:
http://www.vltor.com/images/ts3/HomeTS3-Lg.jpg
The new Vltor TS3 Tactical Sporter Carbine


Seen it on September 13th, 2011, History Channel’s Top Shot the new Vltor TS3 Tactical Sporter Carbine.

Basic Features of the VLTOR TS3 Carbine:

  • Vltor TS3 Lower Receiver featuring a beveled magazine-well, large button magazine release and three-position, quick-detachable single-point sling mount.

  • Vltor VIS-2A-AK polylithic/free float upper receiver assembly with 10-inch rail section and bolt assist.

  • EMod w/A5 Enhancement Kit (Enhanced Modstock) featuring integral rubber buttpad, multiple sling attachments and storage for up to eight AA-batteries or nine-3 volt lithium batteries. A5 receiver extension offers seven different stock placements.

  • Noveske hammer forged, chrome lined, 15-inch, 1-7 inch twist barrel with mid-length gas system.

  • Vltor Compensator (VC-A1) permanently attached to the barrel, making the barrel length a legal 16.25 inch barrel.

  • Bravo Company USA, Gunfighter Charging Handle (BCM-GFH-556-MOD4) designed by Vltor.

  • TangoDown SCAR Rail Panels and BattleGrip (BG-16)

  • Diamondhead USA, Flip-Up “Classic” Combat Sights


Style: M4 type carbine with extreme enhancements
Colors: Black on black
Weight: 7 lbs. 7 oz
Overall length (stock collapsed):32.5 inches
Overall length (stock extended):36.5 inches
LOP (stock collapsed): 11.5 inches
LOP (stocks fully extended): 14.75 (7-positions total between extended and collapsed)
Caliber: 5.56 NATO
Barrel: Noveske Medium contour, 15-inch Chrome-Line Hammer-forged with a pinned on Vltor VC-A1 “A1” type compensator (barrel length is a legal 16.25 inches)
Sight Distance: 15 inches
Fire Control Group: Standard “G.I.” type

Retail price: $2,495


What do you guys think, all the features and weight looks pretty good, the only thing is the high price.


Ref: http://www.vltor.com/ts3carbine.html






$2,500??????? Smoking crack!!!


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Posted: 9/14/2011 11:17:09 AM
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Piecing it together from Rainier Arms:
Vltor Lower
Vltor EMod
Vltor VIS 10"
Vltor 2.1" flash hider
Noveske afghan 14.5" mid-length (with low pro gas block)
Mid-length gas tube
BCM/Vltor gunfighter charging handle
LMT full-auto BCG
Troy front and rear folding battlesights
Tango down battle grip
3 Tango down rail panels
$2,090

Differences are:
No A5 receiver extension since the vltor lower comes with a receiver extension
14.5"+2.1" vs 15"+1.something" barrel
LMT vs ?? BCG
Troy vs Diamondhead folding sights
An extra pistol grip
$405
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Posted: 9/14/2011 11:58:18 AM
I wonder if this comes with the same 'we threw a generic trigger in there because we figured everyone would replace it anyway' trigger that came in their lowers
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Posted: 9/14/2011 12:02:40 PM
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I wonder if this comes with the same 'we threw a generic trigger in there because we figured everyone would replace it anyway' trigger that came in their lowers


Would have been nice if it came with a Geissele trigger of some sort and a trigger guard.

At that point, all you really need is a sling, light, and optics...
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Wait, so what are you really getting for $2,500?
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Posted: 9/14/2011 12:25:24 PM
The LaRue OBR was also shown at that Top Shot show, remember where both teams went up the pole to reach the shooting platforms.

The closest comparable with this are the Noveske 16" Light Recce with Vltor VIS rifle upper at $2,450.

The Noveske are also pricey, differences are the noted Noveske model have 16" LW barrel, Blackout FS, 12" rails, Troy BUIS, gen 2 large magwell lower receiver, Noveske QD end plate - staked, 6 pos mil-spec receiver extension, Vltor IMOD carbine stock, MOE grip and about a quarter pound lighter.

Someone could also put together a LMT MRP with rifle length upper receiver with their 16" barrel at a lower cost, also a Vltor A5 stock kit could be used if desired.

I also agree with the others that the LaRue PredatAR is more affordable even if it doesn't have an integrated railed upper receiver.

At the opposite upper end the Christensen Arms CA-15 Recon piston with carbon fiber reinforced barrel and CF railed handguard at $2,995, ouch.

I'm sure there are other setup that could be pieced together using high quality components at a lot lower prices, let us know if you have any ideas.


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Posted: 9/14/2011 12:27:10 PM
I really hated on top shot how they acted like it was such a great leap forward in technology, when it clearly isn't.
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Posted: 9/14/2011 12:49:52 PM
Originally Posted By bankfraudguy:
Originally Posted By AR15ophile:
I thought this was a pretty awesome weapon, very similar to the AR in looks and functionality. However, a lot of those guys, self-professed "expert marksmen" missed the targets multiple times. Some of this I attribute to a new firearm; however, a couple of the guys were dead-bang on target within seconds after picking the weapon up from the platform.

I know through the power of television, magical things seem to happen, but I wonder about the accuracy.

And you're right, the price is prohibitively high, at least for now. Just wait til the Chinese or Germans start mass producing these. :)




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