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Posted: 7/8/2011 3:58:52 PM
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TheMercenary
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Posted: 7/8/2011 4:02:13 PM
[Last Edit: 7/8/2011 4:15:19 PM by TheMercenary]
Oh boy, here we go
EDIT: This is straight from the FAQ at the top of the page. DPMS (Defense Procurement Manufacturing Systems) is a company which has been around for a while. They have a decent reputation with a few exceptions. One thing that comes up frequently is that their bolt seem to break at the cam hole pin more often than other brands. There is also an issue with their lower parts kits in that the trigger and hammer pins are oversized and can be a royal pain to install. A lot of companies use their lower parts kits to put together "whole rifle kits" which you can add your stripped receiver to, so if you are cursing your hammer/trigger pin because it won't go in it probably came from DPMS. Get out some fine sandpaper and chuck the pin in a drill and take a little off. DO NOT screw up your lower trying to hammer it in.
When you get a DPMS you get: BARREL: 4140, non MP inspected, chrome or non chrome lined barrels I am not sure about chambers I believe most have 1:9 twist, I am not sure about parkerizing under the FSB. They also offer many other calibers, I am told, including: .204 Ruger, .22LR, .223 Remington, 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, 6.8x43mm SPC, .243 Winchester, .308 Winchester, .260 Remington and .300 Remington SAUM. BOLT/CARRIER: Non MP tested UPPER: Rifle style feed ramps (not M4), and I believe straight pins in the FSB RECEIVER EXTENSION: I believe commercial IMHO there are better quality rifles for a marginal increase in price, however it will go bang every time you pull the triger The parts in red are the things I have a problem with |
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acman145acp
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Posted: 7/8/2011 4:10:57 PM
You probably not going to find a bunch of love for them here.
That said if your looking for a "budget" target rifle they should be considered. Just don't go paying msrp |
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Posted: 7/8/2011 6:23:14 PM
DPMS batch tests MP.....My ORC models are parked underneath....they DO have M4 ramps....chrome lining is available. I believe barrel steel across the board is 4140 except the SS line. I think you can also get 1x7 twist tubes from them, but not sure. I love all my DPMS parts and guns..CS when I have called or emailed has been great...YMMV of course.
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TheMercenary
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Posted: 7/8/2011 7:50:30 PM
[Last Edit: 7/8/2011 7:55:21 PM by TheMercenary]
Originally Posted By TJRoush:
DPMS batch tests MP.....My ORC models are parked underneath....they DO have M4 ramps....chrome lining is available. I believe barrel steel across the board is 4140 except the SS line. I think you can also get 1x7 twist tubes from them, but not sure. I love all my DPMS parts and guns..CS when I have called or emailed has been great...YMMV of course. I use DPMS small parts on all my builds (gas tubes, roll pins, flash hiders, ect.) And have never had a problem with them, I have also used one of there LPK's which has give me no problems at all, I just do not advice using critical parts such as bolts from DPMS. IMO batch testing is not goot enough, since if they batch tested 10% that means 9 out of 10 rifles may have a faulty bolt. Bottom line is, if you are going to use your AR for HD/SHTF or in the line of duty I would reccomend getting something better, if you only intend to kill beer cans in your back yard, then DPMS is fine. Again this is my personal opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt. ETA: The FAQ does need to be updated, but the vast majority that I have seen have rifle ramps, and the older barrels did not have park under the FSB, I'm glad to see DPMS moving in the right direction. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/8/2011 7:55:29 PM
I learned what DPMS stands for.
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Posted: 7/8/2011 8:28:38 PM
Mine go bang and have not given me any problems
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Posted: 7/8/2011 8:51:23 PM
[Last Edit: 7/8/2011 8:52:37 PM by fuzzy03cls]
UPPER: Rifle style feed ramps (not M4), and I believe straight pins in the FSB
One thing that comes up frequently is that their bolt seem to break at the cam hole pin more often than other brands. There is also an issue with their lower parts kits in that the trigger and hammer pins are oversized and can be a royal pain to install. A lot of companies use their lower parts kits to put together "whole rifle kits" which you can add your stripped receiver to, so if you are cursing your hammer/trigger pin because it won't go in it probably came from DPMS. Get out some fine sandpaper and chuck the pin in a drill and take a little off. DO NOT screw up your lower trying to hammer it in.
Not accurate,. How old is that FAQ entry? |
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Posted: 7/8/2011 9:17:55 PM
[Last Edit: 7/10/2011 11:33:22 AM by YWHIC]
My DPMS LR-308 runs like a champ with ANY ammo.. (762 chamber).. 1/10 Barrel & 762x51 Chamber..
My DPMS 5.56 Oracle did not like Wolf MC 223 ammo at all.. (granted the rifle was brand new when I tried it). it digest all the brass I have fed it thus far.. Federal AE 223.., PMC Xtac 55gr FMJ, PMC Bronze, PMC Xtac M855, and now SilverBear is working in it also.. (granted I have shot over 400 rounds of BRASS ammo.. before trying anymore steel cased ammo).. The DPMS 5.56 Oracle does have M4 feedramps and is 1/9 twist.. 
I usally shoot no less than 120 rounds with either rifle in a range session.. Tommorrow I will be doing 200 rounds in the 5.56 for some training drills.. I love mine 
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Posted: 7/8/2011 9:42:05 PM
[Last Edit: 8/23/2011 11:24:26 AM by KM598]
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J75player
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Posted: 7/9/2011 10:30:24 AM
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i'v been shooting DPMS ARs for many years. think i got my first one back in 01 or 02. it was the lite-16 model (non-chrome lined because I ordered it that way) put between 8-10K through it
without any breakages or rifle related failures. ran every type of ammo out there. only sold it to buy a new DPMS. the sheriffs office in my county and the one to the south issue DPMS rifles for the squad cars, the local TAC team also uses DPMS rifles. I am a city cop and also carry a DPMS rifle in my squad. I currently own 5 DPMS ARs, all are 100%reliable, all shoot under 1MOA. I also used to work at DPMS makeing the rifles. i can assure you that every rifle had a GO-NO GO gage used in it before it was sent for its manditory 20 rounds of testfireing. in addition, having personaly installed many thousends of DPMS trigger groups, i have never had to use anything more then my fingers to push in the pins. |
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Posted: 7/9/2011 11:52:55 AM
Ok.. after 600+ rounds thru my DPMS 556 Oracle.. I had the gas block screws just start to lossen up..
Luckily I have the proper size allen key and retighted them.. Should I use Red Locktite or just keep an eye on them?? Or Blue maybe?? |
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TheMercenary
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Posted: 7/9/2011 11:57:11 AM
Originally Posted By YWHIC:
Ok.. after 600+ rounds thru my DPMS 556 Oracle.. I had the gas block screws just start to lossen up.. Luckily I have the proper size allen key and retighted them.. Should I use Red Locktite or just keep an eye on them?? Or Blue maybe?? For a gas block you should use Red |
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warpig8654
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Posted: 7/9/2011 12:08:45 PM
Out of spec 5.56 chambers
Non-concentric bores & threads Many broken bolts at the cam pin hole (issue may have been resolved when they switched to Toolcraft) Out of spec roll pins Crappy fcg Just to name a few problems that are frequently encountered with DPMS. Certainly every brand will have issues now & then, however, DPMS is consistently puts out lemons. We have a few full auto 11.5's at work & they have had persistent fcg issues & they caused baffle & end cap strikes on our cans. They have been back to DPMS a few times & are returned with the same issues. Not my call to make as to which brands are purchased but our tac team CO at the time was warned against purchasing DPMS for work guns & he decided to buy anyway based on price alone. Many have received good guns from DPMS but I personally would look elsewhere since their track record for quality is not the best. Not bashing them, I have nothing against them, but just stating the facts as I have seen them. Good luck with your decision, OP. |
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Posted: 7/9/2011 1:43:05 PM
DPMS is an acronym for Didn't Pass Mil-Spec. Enough said, do your homework before you buy.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 2:21:19 PM
My buddy has one and has not had any issues???? Tight chambers??? Change the barrel.... Bad bolt parts??? put in better parts.
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Posted: 7/9/2011 2:36:54 PM
[Last Edit: 7/9/2011 2:37:23 PM by Powerkicker]
Originally Posted By Impala:
My buddy has one and has not had any issues???? Tight chambers??? Change the barrel.... Bad bolt parts??? put in better parts. Impala Rifle with out of spec parts??? Buy a better rifle
Sorry man, had to do it. I do own one dpms lower receivered gun and it has run fine.  |
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Posted: 7/9/2011 2:43:55 PM
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GATITO
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Posted: 7/9/2011 2:49:19 PM
Originally Posted By acman145acp: You probably not going to find a bunch of love for them here. That said if your looking for a "budget" target rifle they should be considered. Just don't go paying msrp The prices of DPMS in the EE do not reflect your opinion. I wish you were right though.  |
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Posted: 7/9/2011 5:16:44 PM
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Originally Posted By YWHIC:
Ok.. after 600+ rounds thru my DPMS 556 Oracle.. I had the gas block screws just start to lossen up.. Luckily I have the proper size allen key and retighted them.. Should I use Red Locktite or just keep an eye on them?? Or Blue maybe?? For a gas block you should use Red Thanks.. Red is now in.. going to range again tommorrow for some 50-200 yards shooting fun with my DPMS 5.56.. Al |
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Posted: 7/10/2011 10:33:59 AM
I've had my AP-4 for about 4 years and have not had one problem; the 6 ammo cans (w/empty brass) in my basement is a testament to this.
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Posted: 7/10/2011 10:52:38 AM
[Last Edit: 7/10/2011 11:34:59 AM by YWHIC]
Gasblock is holding fine with the Red Loctite.. Shot @ 100 and 200 yards today..
100 yards with 3MOA T-Dot.. and kneeling.. COM'd.. 
100 yards with 3MOA T-Dot holding rifle above a BAG.. 
200 yards with same 3MOA T-Dot (which is 6" @ 200 yards).. and holding rifle above the BAG.. 6"h x 9"w. 
Overall a good quick hour of fun.. (now at 890 rounds thru mine).. FWIW. The DPMS Oracle 5.56 (like I have here) is on sale for $569 from Surplus Ammo & Arms (forum vendor).. and also where I bought mine last month.. Al |
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Posted: 7/10/2011 11:02:25 AM
Have owned several. Thousands and thousands of rounds through them. Problems with any of them was zero.
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acman145acp
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Posted: 7/10/2011 11:24:54 AM
Originally Posted By GATITO: Originally Posted By acman145acp: You probably not going to find a bunch of love for them here. That said if your looking for a "budget" target rifle they should be considered. Just don't go paying msrp The prices of DPMS in the EE do not reflect your opinion. I wish you were right though. Patience is a virtue  |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 3:08:27 PM
[Last Edit: 8/23/2011 11:23:36 AM by KM598]
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Posted: 8/8/2011 4:56:51 PM
[Last Edit: 8/8/2011 4:57:21 PM by Jason85]
I got a Sportical a couple weeks ago from my dad NIB
I've only shot about 200 rounds so far but I've had no issues and it was all some cheap ass tula ammo |
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