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Originally Posted By TheShlouf:
Yeah, I'm less than an hour away, but $85/month to use the 800+ yard ranges is pretty crazy. I'll stick to my 1500+ yard private range north of Houston View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheShlouf:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By slim0428: I had to cut some unnecessary purchases, but it has been a great decision and they are constantly improving. I'll stick to my 1500+ yard private range north of Houston As my page ownage offering, here's my SPR/Mk12 wiki I've been working on under my Reddit page. Starting with the as-issued build list, and I'll start to add the "field mod" optics, stocks, etc. as I go. WIP Wiki |
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Originally Posted By TheShlouf: Yeah, I'm less than an hour away, but $85/month to use the 800+ yard ranges is pretty crazy. I'll stick to my 1500+ yard private range north of Houston View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TheShlouf: Yeah, I'm less than an hour away, but $85/month to use the 800+ yard ranges is pretty crazy. I'll stick to my 1500+ yard private range north of Houston View Quote |
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So the cloning itch continues...
Can any of you fine guys help me out with 2 things. 1) was the mod 0 every issued to the usmc? Most i can dig up just says they only got them in mod 1 configuration. Want a mod 0 but my trend seems to be usmc clones 🙄 2) can anyone take more detailed pics of the knurling on their cans? Measurements of how long the knurling goes and where it starts from each end? |
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Originally Posted By Functional419:
So the cloning itch continues... Can any of you fine guys help me out with 2 things. 1) was the mod 0 every issued to the usmc? Most i can dig up just says they only got them in mod 1 configuration. Want a mod 0 but my trend seems to be usmc clones 🙄 2) can anyone take more detailed pics of the knurling on their cans? Measurements of how long the knurling goes and where it starts from each end? View Quote I keep telling myself that I SHOULD be building USMC stuff and yet here I am, still building Army clones. Unfortunately all the good USMC stuff has unicorn parts on it that I'd not be able to afford like Unertl 10x, S&Bs, unobtainable gas blocks for the SAM-Rs, etc. |
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My sickness started when a guy had all the hard to find m40a5 parts in a neat little bundle and offered them to me for not much more than the cost of a new A4 stock. He was so ecstatic he got all return parts (stock, pgw, dbm, bipod, recoil lug, all authenticated) he didn't care what he got for the non issued parts lol.
Stumbled onto cqbr parts that were towards the usmc side so... figured im now 3 deep on the usmc side to continue the collection lol. Id love to build a SAM-R for a few reasons but that damn gas block kills me. Even if i found one idk if i could stomach paying 600+ for one. Trying to find a near look to substitue in since i already have the suppressor for it itd be the vheapest route and a little more rare than seeing mk12s. Keep me posted on what he says. Im sure they were at some point but i need the proof to satisfy me lol. |
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Awesome thank you.
My suppressor guy has an abundance of non knurled for a good price and i can knurl it on my lathe if it comes to it. Kinda startin to think im just going to build one haha. |
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Dang it
I missed two Ops inc brakes in the EE for a good price, That's one of the last parts I need for my MK12 |
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Originally Posted By Functional419:
Awesome thank you. My suppressor guy has an abundance of non knurled for a good price and i can knurl it on my lathe if it comes to it. Kinda startin to think im just going to build one haha. View Quote |
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Thats one of the reasons i wanted the pic. A small 3" section could be supported pretty well but im not sure what internal deformation might happen. Going to pick up some thin walled pipe and give a 3" section a test run and see internal diameter changes. The pattern doesn't look very deep so we will see. Worst case ill just have to wait a bit longer for him to get one in.
Edit. Didn't know Ron advised against it though. Good to know. |
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Originally Posted By Functional419:
Thats one of the reasons i wanted the pic. A small 3" section could be supported pretty well but im not sure what internal deformation might happen. Going to pick up some thin walled pipe and give a 3" section a test run and see internal diameter changes. The pattern doesn't look very deep so we will see. Worst case ill just have to wait a bit longer for him to get one in. Edit. Didn't know Ron advised against it though. Good to know. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Conner378:
Something a little different about these ones. https://i.postimg.cc/7Lx692nv/5-AA9-BAD1-6354-4-C21-AC67-2-C168-DEE14-EC.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G2tpwnfq/6583-BDCE-E519-4572-83-AE-E14-CAB361-CB0.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XYKq98Fc/6995726-E-3-D97-45-C2-882-B-0084-B097-B8-F4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3wnwcxtk/A7-FC18-F2-9950-4-F87-B8-EE-0118-F4-FC5698.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9QHz4S4Q/A8-A5-F152-95-AE-4-C1-F-A7-FD-40-A5-B10-C2-AE8.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By jmar_:
I recieved my Mk12. Really happy with the gun it's in good shape although was very dirty. Already cleaned it all up though and dropped it on my M4 lower. Some parts I ordered came in too. He did not include the bipod, any type of sling, or the scope lens covers. I'll have to keep searching for those. The most glaring issue is that the brake is not correct so unfortunately I'll need to try and find one of those too. But it is mostly complete. https://i.imgur.com/FsFlpch.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZCRO8p6.jpg I ordered this USGI M16 mag. The mag while having an awesome patina was not in very good shape. The floorplate does not stay on tight so I taped it, I might order a newer mag but it does look pretty cool if anything. https://i.imgur.com/jOJYQo8.jpg Other parts that came. Original A1 buttstock and original buffer system. This was not cheap but worth it to be correct. I bought 2 buttstocks just to hedge my bets that I could get a usable one. The one with the lettering does have a cracked end piece but the other one is solid. So with a little work I should be able to clean one up and make it look nice. I can't install it yet since the stock wrench got delayed until next week, what a tease! https://i.imgur.com/wsGBsYz.jpg Here is the old lower. Since it is not very correct I'm just going to sell it. I noticed it had a G on the trigger. I took the trigger out and it is a Geissele! Is it correct for the Mod 1? https://i.imgur.com/wpzc6RY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kDMnbra.jpg Here's the last parts I have for the gun. I think one is a Knights mount missing the actual sling attachment point. Is this correct for the clone? Even if I might just sell it considering It's not complete. Then there is some little tool or something that was inside the grip. I have no idea what this is or what it's for, anyone know? https://i.imgur.com/g7y5UOL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LV7cILY.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I believe Ron Allen stated that knurling could/should not be done after the can was built. If you've got a lathe, you probably know that knurling requires a lot of tool pressure. Not sure if the can is stiff enough not to cause some warping. View Quote Ron stated he knurles pre baffle install. im with ron. buy the correct can, or cry forever about the wrong one. im a machinist as well, knurling over welds in a tube....nah. Also...those FN lowered Mod 1 uppers are cool. they prolly had to turn in the lowers and just threw the old mk12 stuff on an M4 lower. thats cool. glad they are still kickin. also, nice Tanodized Elcan content and Block II stuffs on there. just goes to show that this system is STILL relevant |
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Here's my take on a Mod 0. I stuck with an old school CAR15 stock, and my preferred scope and rings instead of going for a pure clone. Still waiting on the SSA-E trigger to come in before I take it to the range. |
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
boyyy u gonna break a weld! knurling is a lot of side loading too noce pressure and i assume ur gonna put a live center into a baffle to hold it???? yikes. Ron stated he knurles pre baffle install. im with ron. buy the correct can, or cry forever about the wrong one. im a machinist as well, knurling over welds in a tube....nah. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorHorseyhead:
What if someone just used a dremel cut-off wheel to make it LOOK knurled? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ProfessorHorseyhead:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
boyyy u gonna break a weld! knurling is a lot of side loading too noce pressure and i assume ur gonna put a live center into a baffle to hold it???? yikes. Ron stated he knurles pre baffle install. im with ron. buy the correct can, or cry forever about the wrong one. im a machinist as well, knurling over welds in a tube....nah. |
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I just got a Gen III PRI handguard, Arms #22 medium rings without lever stops and a PRI Recce rail... so it looks like im building a Holland upper with my Colt square forge upper :D
A few questions, -Is a Noveske 16.1" Recon or a Douglas 16.5" barrel Mod H more correct? -Is a Badger Ordnance the correct gas block, and is Colt the correct gas tube? -I have a M4 Carbine Colt lower with a Gen 1 Lmt sopmod black stock and 2 stage Kac trigger, what buffer weight did the Mod H use when they had the collapsible stock? What lowers were used on real deal mod H rifles? -What are the correct iron sights? Seems mod H rifles just have a Rmr on top of the scope rings or on the side from what I've seen -Are there any markings on the Ops Inc or Allen Engineering model 12 muzzle breaks? And is the ling necked collar correct for the H? -Is the Knights bipod mount Nsn#105-01-468-0350 still the correct mount for the Harris on the Mod H? Thanks for the help everyone :) |
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Originally Posted By 6H05T:
I just got a Gen III PRI handguard, Arms #22 medium rings without lever stops and a PRI Recce rail... so it looks like im building a Holland upper with my Colt square forge upper :D A few questions, -Is a Noveske 16.1" Recon or a Douglas 16.5" barrel Mod H more correct? -Is a Badger Ordnance the correct gas block, and is Colt the correct gas tube? -I have a M4 Carbine Colt lower with a Gen 1 Lmt sopmod black stock and 2 stage Kac trigger, what buffer weight did the Mod H use when they had the collapsible stock? What lowers were used on real deal mod H rifles? -What are the correct iron sights? Seems mod H rifles just have a Rmr on top of the scope rings or on the side from what I've seen -Are there any markings on the Ops Inc or Allen Engineering model 12 muzzle breaks? And is the ling necked collar correct for the H? -Is the Knights bipod mount Nsn#105-01-468-0350 still the correct mount for the Harris on the Mod H? Thanks for the help everyone :) View Quote PRI black .750 gas blocks were used with whatever midlength quality gas tube you want, it's probably whatever PRI ordered when they assembled them. Lower, get an A1 of some kind. Brownells is the fast easy way. If you can get a grey one even better. Real ones were GM Hydramatic and Colt. Some were Anniston depot reworks. They shipped with ACE SOCOM stocks, no idea what buffer but an H or H2 I'd say is a good start. Other stuff was swapped in like Magpul ACS and SOPMOD stocks. Don't run irons, nobody really did. No specific markings difference between an AE vs an older OPS. Maybe finish difference but not super noticable. Run the KAC, ARMS #32, your choice. Remember, everything Mod H was either recycled from older SPR and Mk12s or personal purchase. |
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Originally Posted By THEdtw:
Afters years of lusting I finally have something worthy(I hope) of posting in here. Of course as soon as the lower got finished, all of the EE Mod 1 uppers seemed to dry up. Anyways, lots of nights spent reading in this thread and more to come. Wish it was gray and previous owner did a wear job on it. Couldn't pass up a pretty good price, and it'll probably get painted at the end of the day anyways. Brownells BRN-16A1 lower, Geissele SSA-E, Colt LPK, Colt A1 grip, and a Colt A1 stock kit https://i.imgur.com/t5l3j2s.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: Most Mk12s had A2 grips, some Ergo. The A1s were pretty uncommon it seems unless you're really sold on the A1 grip. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 6H05T:
I just got a Gen III PRI handguard, Arms #22 medium rings without lever stops and a PRI Recce rail... so it looks like im building a Holland upper with my Colt square forge upper :D A few questions, -Is a Noveske 16.1" Recon or a Douglas 16.5" barrel Mod H more correct? -Is a Badger Ordnance the correct gas block, and is Colt the correct gas tube? -I have a M4 Carbine Colt lower with a Gen 1 Lmt sopmod black stock and 2 stage Kac trigger, what buffer weight did the Mod H use when they had the collapsible stock? What lowers were used on real deal mod H rifles? -What are the correct iron sights? Seems mod H rifles just have a Rmr on top of the scope rings or on the side from what I've seen -Are there any markings on the Ops Inc or Allen Engineering model 12 muzzle breaks? And is the ling necked collar correct for the H? -Is the Knights bipod mount Nsn#105-01-468-0350 still the correct mount for the Harris on the Mod H? Thanks for the help everyone :) View Quote |
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Originally Posted By THEdtw:
Good info. I have both A1s and A2s at the house. Have never used but gravitate towards the look of the Ergo. Still deciding if I'm going to copy an exact rifle seen in a photo or just go off the provided build list that allows for unit variances. View Quote I started out wanting to clone a specific Mod 1, but now that optics are all but dried up (and relatively obsolete at the price point given other options available) I'm just building an "example" that's to spec minus optic/mount. Mostly because i want to get it out shooting and not gathering dust waiting for an instagrammable scope to pop up at the same price as the Mark 5HD 3.6-18, when the latter is much more usable. I'll just keep the optics off the rifle for photos in here so nobody has a panic attack. |
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a 3.5-10 is like $700 on the EE......
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: I have a FDE magpul ACS stock ill sell ya if u need a mof H correct style one. i cant seem to remove this ACE. LOL View Quote Havent there been photo down range of hollands with black sopmod stocks? Question though, what are the odds of finding an A.R.M.S. #38 Spr Peq 2 - 3 sleeve? Its the only thing i can't find to build a mod 0 and they seem to be hens teeth.. so if thats the case i suppose I'll continue on with the Holland build list so i can get things right |
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Originally Posted By 6H05T: I appreciate the offer but the lower the mk12 upper will live on is a M4 Carbine marked Colt lower that I'm building a block 1 14.5" sopmod (16" pinned and welded) and will all be pretty correct and just swapping the mk12 upper on and off of, since i can't get a legit lower for a mk12 build i think ill keep it block 1 marked as far as the lmt gen 1stock and uid Havent there been photo down range of hollands with black sopmod stocks? Question though, what are the odds of finding an A.R.M.S. #38 Spr Peq 2 - 3 sleeve? Its the only thing i can't find to build a mod 0 and they seem to be hens teeth.. so if thats the case i suppose I'll continue on with the Holland build list so i can get things right View Quote |
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: Odds are low to okay, cost will be high. If you're going that far make sure you're going all the way with the build, Colt AF upper, Douglas barrel with flats and set screw FSB, the whole nine yards. View Quote Doing my best to get it right one way or the other :) What model trijicon dr would be correct for the tiny rail on top of the scope ring? |
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Originally Posted By 6H05T: I have a colt square marked upper and planned to go douglas barrel either way. Is square forge upper correct for a holland or does it need to be a keyhole, and no cage# either way right? The arms 38 is the only thing i cant seem to find, and the gen 3 rail i got came with a pri recce rail and no-stop medium arms 22 rings so i guess i should stick with the holland plan. Doing my best to get it right one way or the other :) What model trijicon dr would be correct for the tiny rail on top of the scope ring? View Quote I’ve only ever seen the Docter II used for the backup red dot. Not to say someone somewhere hasn’t used a Trijicon RMR but I haven’t seen it. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Holland uppers were mostly reused Mod0 uppers. I doubt any ended up with the square marked uppers, they are too new. Post a WTB for the swan sleeve, you’ll have no problem finding one if you are willing to pay for it, $800-$1000 should get it done. I’ve only ever seen the Docter II used for the backup red dot. Not to say someone somewhere hasn’t used a Trijicon RMR but I haven’t seen it. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 6H05T: Ouch.. Holland build it is. Ill start hunting a Dr II and keeping an eye out for a keyhole upper. Thanks for the help :) View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Hunterex: The reused Mod 0 uppers for Hollands should either be ArmaLite , raised C AF, or Diemaco. The keyhole uppers for the Hollands will be non-Colt. View Quote Not finding any armalite c af marked uppers, what forge would be correct on a diameco? |
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Originally Posted By 6H05T: Who would have made the keyhole uppers for the mod 0's? Not finding any armalite c af marked uppers, what forge would be correct on a diameco? View Quote |
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Holland uppers:
C AF, Armalite = rebuilt SPR C Keyhole: small handful of first test Holland uppers, black handguards, black unmarked barrel spun by unknown smith. Keyhole & FDE Duracoat or Gunkote: scratch built Hollands |
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Holland uppers: C AF, Armalite = rebuilt SPR C Keyhole: small handful of first test Holland uppers, black handguards, black unmarked barrel spun by unknown smith. Keyhole & FDE Duracoat or Gunkote: scratch built Hollands View Quote |
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
a 3.5-10 is like $700 on the EE...... View Quote The two options listed are either the ts30a2 w/mk262 knob and illumination or the nightforce 2.5-10x24. I'd be STARTING at the same price point as the mk5 hd i mentioned earlier. |
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Originally Posted By Hunterex: https://i.imgur.com/VQy8zS3.jpg ETA - Mod 1 has a few unlisted options for optics seen in use that aren't "spec". Also, changed image. Posted wrong one originally. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorHorseyhead: and according to page 1 isn't clone correct for the Mod 1 The two options listed are either the ts30a2 w/mk262 knob and illumination or the nightforce 2.5-10x24. I'd be STARTING at the same price point as the mk5 hd i mentioned earlier. View Quote SIDE NOTE: HI DAN :) |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorHorseyhead: and according to page 1 isn't clone correct for the Mod 1 The two options listed are either the ts30a2 w/mk262 knob and illumination or the nightforce 2.5-10x24. I'd be STARTING at the same price point as the mk5 hd i mentioned earlier. View Quote |
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