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Posted: 7/3/2018 9:20:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover:
Is this scope clone correct for a mk12 mod 0? edit: it has the TMR reticle so must not be? https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/WTS-Leupold-Mark-4-3-5-10x40mm-LR-T-M3-Illuminated-TMR-Reticle/163-1782571/ |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 9:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
I agree with this. If nothing, I would at least add some shims. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085: I've used the crush washer (and no shims) on all my Mk12 builds... too few rotations is more of a problem than too many. I'd add that crush washer back in, if I were you. I just now took a brake and screwed it into a silencer first section 10 full turns and took some measurements. I normally recommend 6-8 turns, but when I do a custom fit, I shoot for 9. 10 turns is max and should not be a concern. Put a drop of 3 in 1 oil on the brake threads once in a while and shoot the heck out of it. 
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Posted: 7/3/2018 10:24:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5: The TMR reticle wouldn't stop me from putting in on my Mk12. Just trying to figure out if it’s a small thing or a big issue with the purists. Edit: I’m too late it’s sold. |
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Posted: 7/3/2018 11:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes:
Have some ARMS 22 high rings and TRC/TRR in the EE. Figured I would let the cloners know. 
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Posted: 7/3/2018 11:56:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover:
Is this scope clone correct for a mk12 mod 0? edit: it has the TMR reticle so must not be? https://www.ar15.com/forums/equipment-exchange/WTS-Leupold-Mark-4-3-5-10x40mm-LR-T-M3-Illuminated-TMR-Reticle/163-1782571/
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Posted: 7/4/2018 12:07:17 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I saw your ad while I was getting ready for work and left the tab open so I could snag it when I got home from work. Guess I shouldn't have waited. Was a great price. |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 12:22:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes:
Not sure if you’re into the Holland game but I’ve got some high NF rings I was going to post soon. Got the wrong height by mistake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I saw your ad while I was getting ready for work and left the tab open so I could snag it when I got home from work. Guess I shouldn't have waited. Was a great price. |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 1:24:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
That's exactly what it's for. I loathe ARMS stuff, but I kinda want a set but I'm not ruling out NF. Shoot me some deets when you get around to posting them. |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 4:45:55 AM EDT
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OR, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2018 3:37:46 PM EDT
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I spoke to him over the phone when one of my rifles took 12 turns and he said not to worry about it.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
This is correct. I've emailed Ron about too many turns before, and he said, I love that guy |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 3:40:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
I spoke to him over the phone when one of my rifles took 12 turns and he said not to worry about it. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2018 1:28:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mrsaturn7085]
[#12]
Given 112633 was intended to be a 'close as it comes' clone of the TS-30A2 scope and has the TMR reticle, I'd say the TMR is correct...
I was always under the assumption this is where the TMR reticle was first used - on the 3-9x TS-30 (and A2) scope that fit perfectly behind a PEQ-2 on the early SPR (and Mk12 Mod 0). Someone correct me if I'm wrong... I guess this is the first time I've questioned this detail, personally! The TMR reticle is pretty nice, but not the greatest for punching holes in paper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover:
But were they ever issued like that? Just trying to figure out if it’s a small thing or a big issue with the purists. Edit: I’m too late it’s sold. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover:
Originally Posted By Engineer5: The TMR reticle wouldn't stop me from putting in on my Mk12. Just trying to figure out if it’s a small thing or a big issue with the purists. Edit: I’m too late it’s sold. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 1:31:40 PM EDT
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Someone come shoot this with me tbis weekend if you are being lazy. Cant beat $150 for a full day course.
Its in N Alabama around Birmingham. Stretching out to 750y https://m.facebook.com/events/945843985587832 |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 1:48:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Someone come shoot this with me tbis weekend if you are being lazy. Cant beat $150 for a full day course. Its in N Alabama around Birmingham. Stretching out to 750y https://m.facebook.com/events/945843985587832 CMP Talladega off of I20 is another fantastic place to shoot. $30 to shoot all day with 100, 200, 300, 600 yard electronic targets. Well worth a few hours drive if you're within range. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 3:00:06 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Given 112633 was intended to be a 'close as it comes' clone of the TS-30A2 scope and has the TMR reticle, I'd say the TMR is correct... I was always under the assumption this is where the TMR reticle was first used - on the 3-9x TS-30 (and A2) scope that fit perfectly behind a PEQ-2 on the early SPR (and Mk12 Mod 0). Someone correct me if I'm wrong... I guess this is the first time I've questioned this detail, personally! The TMR reticle is pretty nice, but not the greatest for punching holes in paper. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 3:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Lighthorse does great classes. It's been a few years since I've done one so I need to get back in the game. CMP Talladega off of I20 is another fantastic place to shoot. $30 to shoot all day with 100, 200, 300, 600 yard electronic targets. Well worth a few hours drive if you're within range. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 3:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
I used to own an older TS30-A2 marked 3-9x36 and it was definitely mil dot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Given 112633 was intended to be a 'close as it comes' clone of the TS-30A2 scope and has the TMR reticle, I'd say the TMR is correct... I was always under the assumption this is where the TMR reticle was first used - on the 3-9x TS-30 (and A2) scope that fit perfectly behind a PEQ-2 on the early SPR (and Mk12 Mod 0). Someone correct me if I'm wrong... I guess this is the first time I've questioned this detail, personally! The TMR reticle is pretty nice, but not the greatest for punching holes in paper. And not all apparently were even labeled with TS30A2 markings. It is possible either Leupold was supplying them without that marking, OR they were supplying whatever was on hand and just throwing the 77gr turrets on them. Oh, and it would be nice to find out when the 77gr turrets first hit the field, because I've been getting scoop of Vari-X 3.5-10s, 3-9s, and 2.5-8s in armories with 62gr turrets. Then there were those custom shop looking 77gr SPR marked M3 caps that I guess came off a 3-9 MR/T. And per guys like @Stukas87 it sure looks like Mk262 didn't show up until later for some groups, like 2004/Iraq and beyond. Thus I'd figure 77gr turrets didn't come right away either, and current pics of period SPR glass still in inventory seem to tie directly in with what was listed in the 5.56 Timeline in regards to Leupold 3.5-10s being ordered with 62gr BDC turrets in 2000 or 2001. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 4:07:19 PM EDT
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I saw MK262 Iraq 2004 (second tour)
Now the ammo was intended for the SPR I believe it existed as early as 1999/2000 But Scopes I believe were not specific for it. In fact I think M3A (same scope for Remington 700) was what was first tried on the SPR in testing That is what some of the prototypes had in 1999 when I got to shoot a few. When I did not run a IR scope I ran a ACOG on mine in Iraq. |
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Posted: 7/5/2018 5:18:33 PM EDT
[#19]
@SlasherMcGee
Just saw your post. It's Rustoleum Camo black, tan, and brown. Thank's dude. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 10:59:31 AM EDT
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The A-Team that I saw with Mod 0's in Al-Kut/Babylon in May of 2004 were running MK. 262 I believe.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 12:47:39 PM EDT
[#21]
The Mod 1 with the “Mod Grendel”
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Posted: 7/6/2018 2:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636:
The A-Team that I saw with Mod 0's in Al-Kut/Babylon in May of 2004 were running MK. 262 I believe. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2018 3:01:15 PM EDT
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So, as a short answer - is the TMR reticle correct given the wide assortment of scopes that ended up in those storage drawers?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Yep, somewhere around the 3-9/2.5-8 relabel appears to be where TMR and M2 turrets became the standard configuration. According to the Leupold Mil/LE catalog it seems like the 2.5-8/M2 TMR showed up in 2006 but I'd bet they could have been around in 2005. So somewhere in there a mix of Mildot/TMR, 3-9s, 2.5-8s, then after that point new ones being 2.5-8 M2 TMR. And not all apparently were even labeled with TS30A2 markings. It is possible either Leupold was supplying them without that marking, OR they were supplying whatever was on hand and just throwing the 77gr turrets on them. Oh, and it would be nice to find out when the 77gr turrets first hit the field, because I've been getting scoop of Vari-X 3.5-10s, 3-9s, and 2.5-8s in armories with 62gr turrets. Then there were those custom shop looking 77gr SPR marked M3 caps that I guess came off a 3-9 MR/T. And per guys like @Stukas87 it sure looks like Mk262 didn't show up until later for some groups, like 2004/Iraq and beyond. Thus I'd figure 77gr turrets didn't come right away either, and current pics of period SPR glass still in inventory seem to tie directly in with what was listed in the 5.56 Timeline in regards to Leupold 3.5-10s being ordered with 62gr BDC turrets in 2000 or 2001. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 9:37:40 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
So, as a short answer - is the TMR reticle correct given the wide assortment of scopes that ended up in those storage drawers? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/7/2018 7:49:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Macpw:
Some mk12 Funn https://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1CbI-mN285vsFlF5ISRfMkpfBd7CPzij3 https://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1ii7HTO8S1sW5T3YPvIcweOzSffvKTP_A https://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1LPenzr9SvmCAWEDWo5ny7qbYpFboFtU7 https://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1KjqWGFoF4JUU9FNMK9l8CMmc_fIG6yhX |
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Posted: 7/7/2018 1:34:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SSOUNN]
[#26]
My groups today at 100yds w/ the Mod 1.. From Left to Right, Top Row/Bottom Row.. Was using BH 77gr OTM, IMI 77gr OTM, and CBC/MagTech 77gr.. Bottom Row was only 5 shot group Mag after Mag, was tryna get outta there haha
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OR, USA
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Posted: 7/7/2018 4:09:14 PM EDT
[#27]
Sighters on the top I assume (given the uneven shot count)?
What scope are you using? With the TMR reticle, I've actually noticed tighter grounds using a red bull vs. black bull myself, but just figured I was imagining things. As I've mentioned before, the TMR is far from the best paper-punching reticle out there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN:
My groups today at 100yds w/ the Mod 1.. From Left to Right, Top Row/Bottom Row.. Was using BH 77gr OTM, IMI 77gr OTM, and CBC/MagTech 77gr https://s33.postimg.cc/en36whcz3/4_ED24_C16-_E53_F-4_E46-_A044-4318_C80_C79_B8.jpg Bottom Row was only 5 shot groups Mag after Mag.. |
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Posted: 7/7/2018 4:43:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SSOUNN]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Sighters on the top I assume (given the uneven shot count)? What scope are you using? With the TMR reticle, I've actually noticed tighter grounds using a red bull vs. black bull myself, but just figured I was imagining things. As I've mentioned before, the TMR is far from the best paper-punching reticle out there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Sighters on the top I assume (given the uneven shot count)? What scope are you using? With the TMR reticle, I've actually noticed tighter grounds using a red bull vs. black bull myself, but just figured I was imagining things. As I've mentioned before, the TMR is far from the best paper-punching reticle out there. Originally Posted By SSOUNN:
My groups today at 100yds w/ the Mod 1.. From Left to Right, Top Row/Bottom Row.. Was using BH 77gr OTM, IMI 77gr OTM, and CBC/MagTech 77gr https://s33.postimg.cc/en36whcz3/4_ED24_C16-_E53_F-4_E46-_A044-4318_C80_C79_B8.jpg Bottom Row was only 5 shot groups Mag after Mag.. |
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Posted: 7/7/2018 6:42:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/8/2018 6:44:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/8/2018 8:12:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reswob:
https://i.imgur.com/RPWCCgF.jpg |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 8:21:30 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reswob:
https://i.imgur.com/RPWCCgF.jpg |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:26:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Bravo sir. You look like me who changes configurations every day of the week. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Bravo sir. You look like me who changes configurations every day of the week. Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: That’s awesome! Which scope is that? 
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:50:43 AM EDT
[#34]
Some good-looking sticks on this page, bros.
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Posted: 7/8/2018 1:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reswob: Thanks! The picture of the Mod 0 with the different stocks a few pages back is my rifle with my extra lower for an eventual Mod 1. Leupold 67950 Mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10x40 Ilum TMR https://i.imgur.com/kSY7dHS.jpg |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 3:43:47 PM EDT
[#36]
I was talking about sighters, not flyers... but the fact you shot through the back explains it!
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: NO SIGHTERS AT ALL, UNLESS it was going into the same hole in a few of them lol.. I turned my target around and shot the backside w/ the Red/Black Shoot n See Dots.. I was using the Mark 4 2.5-8x36mm 67925.. The Mod 1 Recce is sporting the TS30-A2 |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 10:16:31 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Yep, somewhere around the 3-9/2.5-8 relabel appears to be where TMR and M2 turrets became the standard configuration. According to the Leupold Mil/LE catalog it seems like the 2.5-8/M2 TMR showed up in 2006 but I'd bet they could have been around in 2005. So somewhere in there a mix of Mildot/TMR, 3-9s, 2.5-8s, then after that point new ones being 2.5-8 M2 TMR. And not all apparently were even labeled with TS30A2 markings. It is possible either Leupold was supplying them without that marking, OR they were supplying whatever was on hand and just throwing the 77gr turrets on them. Oh, and it would be nice to find out when the 77gr turrets first hit the field, because I've been getting scoop of Vari-X 3.5-10s, 3-9s, and 2.5-8s in armories with 62gr turrets. Then there were those custom shop looking 77gr SPR marked M3 caps that I guess came off a 3-9 MR/T. And per guys like @Stukas87 it sure looks like Mk262 didn't show up until later for some groups, like 2004/Iraq and beyond. Thus I'd figure 77gr turrets didn't come right away either, and current pics of period SPR glass still in inventory seem to tie directly in with what was listed in the 5.56 Timeline in regards to Leupold 3.5-10s being ordered with 62gr BDC turrets in 2000 or 2001. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Given 112633 was intended to be a 'close as it comes' clone of the TS-30A2 scope and has the TMR reticle, I'd say the TMR is correct... I was always under the assumption this is where the TMR reticle was first used - on the 3-9x TS-30 (and A2) scope that fit perfectly behind a PEQ-2 on the early SPR (and Mk12 Mod 0). Someone correct me if I'm wrong... I guess this is the first time I've questioned this detail, personally! The TMR reticle is pretty nice, but not the greatest for punching holes in paper. And not all apparently were even labeled with TS30A2 markings. It is possible either Leupold was supplying them without that marking, OR they were supplying whatever was on hand and just throwing the 77gr turrets on them. Oh, and it would be nice to find out when the 77gr turrets first hit the field, because I've been getting scoop of Vari-X 3.5-10s, 3-9s, and 2.5-8s in armories with 62gr turrets. Then there were those custom shop looking 77gr SPR marked M3 caps that I guess came off a 3-9 MR/T. And per guys like @Stukas87 it sure looks like Mk262 didn't show up until later for some groups, like 2004/Iraq and beyond. Thus I'd figure 77gr turrets didn't come right away either, and current pics of period SPR glass still in inventory seem to tie directly in with what was listed in the 5.56 Timeline in regards to Leupold 3.5-10s being ordered with 62gr BDC turrets in 2000 or 2001. |
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Posted: 7/9/2018 12:31:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SlasherMcGee]
[#38]
AEM5 stamp arrived today..
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Posted: 7/9/2018 1:05:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Got my mod 1 out for the first time with the AEM5 this weekend. It is awesome. Here it is hitting steel at 500 yards. Super easy, even making hits at 2.5 power.
Sorry for the shitty video, it was texted to me and the quality was cut.  Mk12 Mod 1 - 500 Yards |
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Posted: 7/9/2018 5:55:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/9/2018 5:58:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Sharing is caring. Douglas 1/7 93º https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/348028/20180709_155205-602456.JPG |
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Posted: 7/9/2018 8:41:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Mk12 Mod1 Douglas 1/7
NF 2.5-10x24 Fed FC262 @2675 98º/51%/30inhg/502ft Prone 300yds .66moa 6 shots Best of the day, everything else is like .8-1.5moa between 100-300yd.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/9/2018 9:34:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WTFShane]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Sharing is caring. Douglas 1/7 93º https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/348028/20180709_155205-602456.JPG Edit: 100yd groups from Saturday. It was windy, so I didn't shoot much. I'm not blaming the wind, because I know I'm getting worse. Left grouping measured 1.03inch and I don't even want to bother with the right. 
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Posted: 7/9/2018 9:37:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Mk12 Mod1 Douglas 1/7 NF 2.5-10x24 Fed FC262 @2675 98º/51%/30inhg/502ft Prone 300yds .66moa 6 shots Best of the day, everything else is like .8-1.5moa between 100-300yd. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/348028/20180709_193616-602628.JPG 
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Posted: 7/9/2018 10:16:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cartel-]
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Posted: 7/9/2018 10:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: What's that other hole down below??  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 12:03:46 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane:
What's that other hole down below?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane:
Originally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Mk12 Mod1 Douglas 1/7 NF 2.5-10x24 Fed FC262 @2675 98º/51%/30inhg/502ft Prone 300yds .66moa 6 shots Best of the day, everything else is like .8-1.5moa between 100-300yd. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/348028/20180709_193616-602628.JPG 
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:36:12 AM EDT
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Need some help here. I currently have a Mk12 Mod 1. I’m looking to build either a mod 0 or H next. Which of the two should I go with?
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:37:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Honda4828:
Need some help here. I currently have a Mk12 Mod 1. I’m looking to build either a mod 0 or H next. Which of the two should I go with? |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:41:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10: Holland. The Mod 0 won't do anything your Mod 1 can't. Holland looks like a shorter Mod 0. |
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