The description in that ad states m3 style turret.  Isn't the spec the m2 turret?

Got my stamp back today, which means I'll shoot the Mod 0 and HOLLAND suppressed tomorrow.

Yes

Congrats!  

Actually, I didn't know the Mod H's had A1 lowers.  Are we sure they did?  Is Danger Dan right in saying they were an Army gun?  I can't keep this Navy Army stuff straight.....  Does Crane supply to Army SF too?  Had they always?  Sometimes when CD talks it seems like they get some of that stuff from Crane too, because it' seems like it was more about getting guns to Special Operations, which I guess would cover all branches.

And then the other thing I'm confused about is that the Mk12, the older ones always had that round PRI tube.  Now I keep seeing what I think are Mk12's but they have ff rails that are more like DD rails.  Not just tubes.  They look a lot more like the SAM-R  rifles, without the front flip up gas block sight.  I think.  Yeah, it's got that ops inc collar.    Is this just the difference between a newer and older Mk12?

All the Hollands I see are A1. I have yet to see a pic of a MK12 mod X on an A2...unless someone has an EARRRLY pic of the pre MK12 SPR upper on an M4 or something. The whole program once standardized WAS based on A1 lower for the better FA trigger pull consistency. They grabbed turn in A1's and Mk'd em up.


Navy hollands? Dunno. Holland was army. Maybe a navy dude saw an H and called crane or PRI and did a deed but H was army upgrade S-8 order.



Read your Mk bible and pray for forviveness every night. Lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/2zmb66/mk12_clone_spec_sheets/

Here's another hmmm question.  What were the PRI front sight/gas blocks used on prior to the MK12?  

Been there brother. Don't let it hit you too hard.



 

Wow...that's good to hear.  I've always wondered if Tactical Wholesalers was legit as they have cheapest prices on scopes...by far!

For a late model mk12 mod 0, what would be the correct recticle for the leupold Mk4 mr/t 3-9x36?
Sorry if this has been asked before. I've been searching the thread for a while.

I'm actually there with the Mod 0 now. The M1 turrets, anyway.  The leverstops kinda bug me and kinda don't. Mostly they don't because I'm cheap and lazy.

Nothing .mil to my knowledge. I believe PRI had been quietly working the match rifle scene before the SPR project.

All Mod Hs were Army, built for one specific group.

Crane supplies all of SOCOM to my knowledge. MK12s were available on both sides of the house.

All Mk12s were on A1 lowers, though I thought I spied a Mod 1 upper on an M4 lower in an instagram pic someone posted from a SEAL team. It isn't impossible that Mk12 uppers would have found their way onto M4 lowers over the years. Just not really photographed, thus not proven Kosher for clone purity.

And the overall evolution is early Mk12/SPR with wheel FSB and early tube > Mod 1 with KAC handguard, > Mod 0 with Gen III handguard and non wheel FSB, > Mod H for 5th Group.

This is my base. AEM5 suppressor Form 4 was mailed today. If you're in Texas and content with that can Capitol Armory has them (not affiliated with them so hope that's not breaking rules).

I think I sparked Dan to post about the H lol. I am wanting to keep a SOPMOD stock on my A1 lower and I am in a debate with which MK12 upper I want to build/use/buy. Sell me on one.

They are transferring mine. You sure they are doing them direct now?

You gonna share the fun lower with the CQBR? My vote is either Mod 0 or Mod 1. Being I know you like block II more than block I, that tells me you'd probably prefer Mod 1 over mod 0 in Mk12land.

Torrey told me two weeks ago they were about to put in an order. They must be the lucky ones getting F3s in 2 weeks. Told me it was in stock and ready to go, and my status changed to Form 4 mailed after I paid. This is my third can from them so I am happy with their service.

Milspec - That lower will always be for the CQBR which is why I am wanting to continue using the SOPMOD stock. For shits and giggles I will mock it up with the right stock, but I'm not going to keep swapping stocks. I have other lowers I can use with the right stock.

SWFA's stock isn't real time, is it? Looking at gas blocks and they are one of the few places that carry the Badger.

That third hold tho.

One day id like one. Either CII/sot or a keeper. Nice base.

 
 

 

Check out page 1 of this forum, It has the break down?  Then read the next 900 pages and you should be good

Oh, page one is full of good stuff.  Thank you!  That helped.  I think the Marines are using the Mod 1 a lot.  Eh?  I saw it on this one thing on netflix I was watching.   Now I forget the name of it.....  But it was about some marines in Afghanistan and there was a Mod 1 being used in there.

Battleground Afghanistan.


RE: CloneDiseased:

That's the Instagram pic I referenced. Only time I've seen a pic of any Mk12 Mod that might legitimately be on an M4 lower in active use. I think the assessment regarding the slow proliferation of the G SSF trigger into the M4A1 is correct in that there's no loss by using a Mk12 upper on an M4A1 lower with an SSF. It makes sense in that all the guy has to carry around is 2x extra uppers for the M4 if needed, a CQB upper and the Mk12 upper. I believe that pic was supposedly a SEAL team based on the Instagram post, and they were definitely users of the Mod 1.

I was waiting for a pic of this type. Honestly that's what the guys do. it is a hell of a lot easier to just take your CQD plate equipped M4A1 lower with an SSA in it and use the MK12 upper on it than to have to wait on the the armorer to swap out the buttstock and all that (IF he allows it) Two pins, make what you want, and when you return to the FOB swap em back for services/TI.
 

Full write up on Reddit coming when I get some sleep, pics finish uploading to Imgur, and I try to buy a car/get more for our trade-in. In the meantime, here's a little something to whet your appetite. She's put together for real this time

P804029337 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr

P805029539 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr

P805029640 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr

P805029741 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr

Looks damned good. The incorrect can is far less conspicuous on the Holland than the Mod 0.

Not to be a buzz-kill, but given the resolution of that photograph - unless there's a higher-resolution one that someone can provide/link to, doesn't definitively say to me "MK 12 upper on M4A1 lower."  

One of the arguments being the apparent color of the lower receiver - different computer monitors and color settings and photographic filters notwithstanding, a great many, if not most M16A1 lower receivers that were re-purposed as MK 18 and MK 12 lowers were arsenal refinished flat black, and thus would not appear the typical lighter gray of factory M16A1 lower receivers.  

The "typical" Crane-standard Ergo grip would also lend credence to the idea that it's simply a "stock" MK 12 (M16A1) lower receiver that's had a collapsible stock assembly installed, explanations could be many and varied for why the upper receiver is painted and the lower is not, including damage to the original lower receiver - remember this fella?  While rarely a problem - the M16A2-style lower receiver forging was intended to reinforce the stock/receiver area -




Once again, I'm not saying it is or it is not, but I would hesitate to say that this photograph is definitive "proof."  

That being said, there have been more than a couple reports from members whom I'd trust on the matter (e.g. Stukas87, CombatDiver) to substantiate that some MK 12 uppers were used on M4A1 lowers, so even if this photograph could be used to verify it - I don't know that I would consider it anything more than another photograph of something that we've already seen/known existed anyways.    

At the end of the day, the big difference between a MK 12 and M4A1 lower besides the forging is the FCG--two-stage triggers are nice, but it doesn't take a super-human to do good work with a decent stock M4A1 trigger.  

I suspect the biggest reason that a lot of folks wouldn't want to mess with swapping uppers and lowers is because of the supply headaches that could ensue if the wrong upper got "stuck" with the wrong lower when turn-in time came... easier to just keep 'em together.  As it is, I bet the new, serialized CQBR uppers are... fun.  

~Augee

I agree Augee, its the exception to the norm. And if anyone asks me my i have an A2 lower it wont be "because guys did that" it will be "because im waiting on a NDS A1" LOL.


To keep the balance of purity in here for correctness i agree it needs to be A1. If you wanna take a pic with your MK18 lower thrown on to show a possible setup from the 'Stan, then thats one thing.




I will preach the specs to anyone who asks and i will chainsaw myself until its correct lolz.




EDIT: wtf is that KAC buis doing on TOP of that swan sleeve?



 

I've got M non stops in the parts bin... Too lazy to swap/re-zero for the time being. Glad I ain't the only lazy one.

Ruining my life right now , lol. No, I completely agree Augee, it was just an assessment I  made based off a low-res pic...whilst juggling chainsaws in the dark. I think I'm seeing a Magpul BAD lever on that lower as well...but I could be completely wrong.
 



 

If someone can find me a PRI tube for $200 or less I will build an APC/MOD H so RTU will stop crying like a woman.

ETA: And keep my 12th model

Good luck on finding on that cheap, I paid a little more than that for one and though it was a deal. I posted yesterday about trying to make sure it was not a knockoff - which it was not.

I might be putting a PRI Repro Gen II in the ee in the next week though.

Hmmmmmm....... RECCE rail on gen 3 hg no likey alignment.

I had to loosen the top rail when I installed my ARMS rail to get proper alignment. I believe there was some forwards/backwards adjustment room for that purpose.

Nailed it. Just called and they walked me through it. Loosen top hg rail, attatch recce rail to hg hole. Tighten recce rail, tighten hg rail.


Well guys, it aint much, but here is the base Army precision carbine mod holland lol. I forgot to get a 3" rail for the VFG lol.






 

 
You can buy an airsoft Gen III. Just be sure not to tell anybody.

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Moving sucks, so excuse the boxes and mess. Or don't

Not gonna change much more after this final package.

Since I didn't paint the rifle and suppressor at the same time the suppressor looks a little more green, but I'll change it when the paint melts off or wears off naturally.

Shit looks legit brother! Almost there.

Sorry I meant is there specific parts # thru ARMS like 111-54SPR or something on the rails themselves.  I may have a line on a PEQ is why I ask....

Short & sweet heads up:

I'm trading a new Knight's Armament Long FF RAS (P/N: 21318).
I'm looking for a new FDE M4A1 RIS II

PM me or check EE for details.

Dang you work fast.  Looks great!  What scope you gonna use?

 




I've been kicking around the idea of putting my Recce rail on the H.  Your pictures didn't help.  I just switched and it feels much better.  More forward and slightly lower than the LT104.  Feels more natural to me.  I did the calculations, and it my math if correct, it's a just about .25" lower with the rail and NF rings.




 






Out of curiosity, what are you guys getting (velocity) from your 16"/18" with BH 77g OTM (5.56)?  This was the first time I shot any commercial MK262 variant.  Only shot my clone hand-loads through mine thus far.






Today I did a quick range stop on my way home and got:






Mod 0



-Min 2769



-Max 2854



-Avg 2821



-SD  27.7



-ES  85






Mod H



-Min 2687



-Max 2772



-Avg 2731



-SD  23.6



-ES  85






Not trying to turn this into a reloading thread, but the velocity and ES seemed high to me.  I'm getting 20" velocity out of the 18" and damn near 18" velocity out of the 16".  















Assumptions based off this info from way back.

















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Pic thread.





 

Someone is going to surely pop up in here soon with their newly acquired , extremely rare TS-30A2. I should buy some and put them in the EE for sale

Oooh oooh i vant von! Lol.


Right now all i have is a mark ar 3-9 mdot as a place holder. Gonna grab some form of TPS/leupold/ARMS 22m new style 30mm rings for now until i can get a mk4 3.5-10 or a 2.5-8 used in beater condition and some arms nls 22m's by the end of the year if i am lucky.


 

This thing is begging for a TS30.

yes it is.

mine is too.  

I think that's what I'm going to end up with as well. Just need to find the best price on one now.

 
I bought my 2.5x8-36 M2 Illum. TMR for $750 new from a very reputable dealer

Spill it.

Put us down for one too
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