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Posted: 12/17/2010 10:40:57 AM
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I looking to buy either a 10.3" DD upper w/ RIS II MK18 handguards or a 11.5" BCM upper w/ RIS II MK18 handguards. I don't understand why there is such a big deifference in price. I can get the DD upper from SmartGunner for $600 and the BCM upper is $900.

Is there that big difference in quality? Which would you get and why?
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Posted: 12/17/2010 10:54:29 AM
Basically, SmartGunner has good deals. I would get the DD 10.3" because it is cheaper, the Mk18 RIS II was made for that barrel length, and I like DD barrels. The DD upper receiver doesn't have a dry teflon coating on the inside and if the BCM does then that is about the only thing it has on the DD. I don't like how both have their logos on the upper receiver and bolt carrier. The only thing to consider is what kind of gas block they come with. I would prefer the DD pinned gas block or a pinned Mk12 gas block.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:03:26 AM
I will check, but I don't think the BCM uppers are coated. Either way, I'm going to be using a Fail Zero Bolt/Bolt Carrier.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:04:40 AM
Id go with the DD. Same quality for a cheaper price, win win.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:07:24 AM
Originally Posted By Dogs_of_War:
Id go with the DD. Same quality for a cheaper price, win win.


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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:16:01 AM
Originally Posted By buckshot33:
I will check, but I don't think the BCM uppers are coated. Either way, I'm going to be using a Fail Zero Bolt/Bolt Carrier.


if you are going that route with an SBR just go whole hog and get the Fail Zero stripped upper from them as well.. then build from parts the rest.

thats what i would do... hell thats what i DID..

ill never buy anything else... the Fail Zero stuff is just too good.


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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:18:08 AM

Originally Posted By Dogs_of_War:
Id go with the DD. Same quality for a cheaper price, win win.

This. Smartgunner has some seriously amazing deals right now. If I had a little extra cash I'd be buying one up myself.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:41:10 AM
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WOW 6 replies and there is no "Go BCM, nothing else even comes close" yet.

Color me impressed.

Like others have said. Both very good quality. Smartgunner just happens to be having a really good sale atm. You'd be just as happy with either one. Actually you'd probably be happier with the DD since you'd save $300 which gets you 1k of plinking ammo.

Post up some pics when you get her built. We all love gun porn.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:51:06 AM
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Actually you'd probably be happier with the DD since you'd save $300 which gets you 1k of plinking ammo.


Or over half-way to an Aimpoint T-1 to go with the rifle...
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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:51:22 AM
Looking around Id have to say DD has the best deals going right now when it comes to rifles and complete uppers followed by BCM. No matter where you shop at. Personally Id get both.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:00:40 PM
I ordered a 12.5" BCM upper. It should be delivered today. I probably would not have ordered it, if I knew about the Smartgunner deal. I will be suppressing this upper. I don't think I will suppressing the other upper.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:03:00 PM
Originally Posted By Branspop:
Originally Posted By cranked:
Actually you'd probably be happier with the DD since you'd save $300 which gets you 1k of plinking ammo.


Or over half-way to an Aimpoint T-1 to go with the rifle...


I don't know if I want a T-1. I was thinking about a Comp M4s.

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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:17:56 PM
Both are top quality uppers. I was gonna go BCM for my pencil barrel build but they were out of stock. Then someone pointed me to smartgunner and I couldn't say no to that! It's almost like getting a $300 RIS for free... CHF barrel too so I can be like all the cool kids. If you got the cash, jump on the deal asap. I heard a rumor that prices may increase beginning next year for the DD builds, but don't quote me on it.

Be advised, there is a pretty long wait for smartgunner right now. Some people have had to wait 3-4 weeks for their upper to ship.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:52:24 PM
Originally Posted By buckshot33:
Originally Posted By Branspop:
Originally Posted By cranked:
Actually you'd probably be happier with the DD since you'd save $300 which gets you 1k of plinking ammo.


Or over half-way to an Aimpoint T-1 to go with the rifle...


I don't know if I want a T-1. I was thinking about a Comp M4s.



You'll be happy with the Comp M4s. That is what I am currently running. It is an awesome sight. If you get the Comp M4s, and you get it from LaRue, it comes with the LaRue mount. Awesome mount.

http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=226

The T-1 will be my next purchase, however. It will go on my LMT or DD. Can't decide which at the moment, but leaning toward the LMT.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 2:03:54 PM
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I ended up ordering a DD 10.3" upper w/ 10" DD Lite Rail. This will serve my needs and Tommy has it in stock.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 2:26:43 PM
Do you guys know if the uppers from smartgunner have the M4 feed ramps. It didnt say anything about it when I was on their website. I am going to do a MK18Mod1 clone and this would be a great start for me.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 2:47:32 PM
Daniel Defense uppers have M4 ramps.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 2:55:32 PM
Anyone have one of the DD 12.5 or similar SBR's. I've been thinking of getting one, but have no clue what kind of groups they are getting out of it. Not trying to jack the thread by the way.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:47:58 PM
In today's edition of the "DD vs BCM" thread of the week, I'll again side with BCM. The story of Pat Rogers' "Filthy 14" BCM middy with 41,000+ rounds down the pipe makes an impression. My five BCM's have run like champs with 1000's of rounds through the pipes. Mind you, I don't abuse my rifles the way a T&E person does, but my experiences have led to a total confidence in all of my BCM setups. The smartgunner deal is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but for the extra $200-$300, I'd rather buy exactly what I want instead of the deal of the day.

If push comes to shove, I want a BCM middy in my hands. YMMV.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 3:55:21 PM
Originally Posted By JW1069:
In today's edition of the "DD vs BCM" thread of the week, I'll again side with BCM. The story of Pat Rogers' "Filthy 14" BCM middy with 41,000+ rounds down the pipe makes an impression. My five BCM's have run like champs with 1000's of rounds through the pipes. Mind you, I don't abuse my rifles the way a T&E person does, but my experiences have led to a total confidence in all of my BCM setups. The smartgunner deal is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but for the extra $200-$300, I'd rather buy exactly what I want instead of the deal of the day.

If push comes to shove, I want a BCM middy in my hands. YMMV.


I would love to hear what makes the BCM upper $200 to $300 better than the DD upper other than barrel length.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 4:16:44 PM
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By JW1069:
In today's edition of the "DD vs BCM" thread of the week, I'll again side with BCM. The story of Pat Rogers' "Filthy 14" BCM middy with 41,000+ rounds down the pipe makes an impression. My five BCM's have run like champs with 1000's of rounds through the pipes. Mind you, I don't abuse my rifles the way a T&E person does, but my experiences have led to a total confidence in all of my BCM setups. The smartgunner deal is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but for the extra $200-$300, I'd rather buy exactly what I want instead of the deal of the day.

If push comes to shove, I want a BCM middy in my hands. YMMV.


I would love to hear what makes the BCM upper $200 to $300 better than the DD upper other than barrel length.
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That was my point for starting this thread. I thought maybe I was missing something.

I have read the Pat Rogers story and I would be impressed if he ran a DD rifle or another manufactures rifle the same way and it didn't hold up. Who's to say that a Colt, Bushmaster, Stag or etc will not do the same thing? I don't run any of my guns that hard, but they have never let me down either.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 4:19:53 PM
I run a BCM upper on one of my guns, and I really like it. I do not have a DD upper (although I do run their handguards). I think you will find that the specs on the uppers will be very similar, thus is would be hard for me to go with the BCM over the DD for that kind of price difference. The prices they are offering on those DD uppers are very attractive. Now I need to put it out of my head before I end up buying one.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 4:35:51 PM
I own both and just having recently receive a DD upper from smartgunner I would say get the DD.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 4:53:23 PM
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By JW1069:
In today's edition of the "DD vs BCM" thread of the week, I'll again side with BCM. The story of Pat Rogers' "Filthy 14" BCM middy with 41,000+ rounds down the pipe makes an impression. My five BCM's have run like champs with 1000's of rounds through the pipes. Mind you, I don't abuse my rifles the way a T&E person does, but my experiences have led to a total confidence in all of my BCM setups. The smartgunner deal is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but for the extra $200-$300, I'd rather buy exactly what I want instead of the deal of the day.

If push comes to shove, I want a BCM middy in my hands. YMMV.


I would love to hear what makes the BCM upper $200 to $300 better than the DD upper other than barrel length.
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He just told you, "because Pat Rogers uses it." Sorta like how anything Costa or Haley touches in a Magpul Dynamics video immediately has a 3-month waiting list.

I jest... he also probably just wants to use what he is comfortable with and has lots of personal experience with to prove that *yes it works* to himself. Nuthin wrong with that! Though, after 5 rifles from the same place I'd rather give some other manufacturer a go just to shake things up a bit personally.

As for my choice, I actually don't have much personal experience with BCM or DD rifles but I *do* have lots of experience with other DD products. I know firsthand that their rail systems are pretty much the best you can buy. The attention to detail and quality of machining is second to none on those rails and there is no reason at all for me to think their rifles will be any different. Both BCM and DD rank at the top of the fabled AR chart too.
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Posted: 12/17/2010 5:14:52 PM
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Originally Posted By JW1069:
The smartgunner deal is certainly nothing to sneeze at, but for the extra $200-$300, I'd rather buy exactly what I want instead of the deal of the day.


When the "deal of the day" is DD... it is an entirely different story.

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Posted: 12/17/2010 5:21:03 PM
I don't own a DD or a BCM, so I am not saying either is better. Because I honestly don't know. My problem is people keep mentioning Pat Rogers test of the BCM like they saw it first hand. Call me sceptical, but I don't believe anything I didn't see in person. Any type of test can be doctored. I'm not saying that Pat did......but common sense tells me not to believe everything I hear, then talk about it as if it were fact
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