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Posted: 9/29/2009 2:55:51 PM EST
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This product is as close to making another product obsolete as I have ever seen in the AR-15 world. If that sentence seems awkward, I apologize. Just let it sink in for a few moments.

BCM doesn't need my help to sell any of these charging handles, but they did see fit to send me a Mod 4, along with a Gunfighter T-shirt.

Plenty of pictures have been posted in this thread:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=454874&page=3


There's not much you can say about charging handles, other than they've needed improvement for some time, and none of the latches or handles that have been produced until this point have offered any meaningful improvement to every shooter.

I'll start with a photo of a cheap charging handle that never even made it to the range, bending after one or two pulls:



That's not likely to happen with this design (photo stolen from BCM):



Furthermore, the length of this Mod 4 latch is just about perfect for me, as I don't have optics mounted in a position that would interfere with manipulating the charging handle, necessitating a longer latch. If you have stuff mounted to the rear of the receiver, think about the larger latch.

I can finally manipulate the charging handle the way I was trained to do so, with the knife edge of my hand, and have a very positive grip on the latch in the process. Before, with a standard charging handle, I'd have to keep my hand at the perfect angle so as to not slip off the handle, yet disengage the latch at the same time. Now, those issues are gone. My only complaint is that with an ungloved hand, there's a small risk of getting pinched by the latch. It's a minor complaint and has no effect on my ability to do what I need to do with the part. Also, within the limits of a short (1 hour) range session, I didn't have any major issues with the latch snagging on gear, unlike products such as the Badger latch, which I used for all of one day before going back to stock.

I'll say it again, this product comes closer to making an AR-15 part obsolete than anything I've ever handled. I scoffed at that very idea when I saw this handle - rolling my eyes, saying "what, now I have to buy half a dozen new charging handles, my old ones are obsolete?" The answer is yes, the GFH does make that much of a difference. I think BCM sending me a GFH for free was just a clever ploy to get me to buy more, because I'm definitely going to do just that.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:00:07 PM EST
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I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted". Sure, Bravo company makes great stuff, but why the hype for a charging handle???
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:01:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted".


Exactly what I thought before I handled one.

Then...I handled one.

It's $20-25 more than a quality charging handle (which is still a weaker design) and much easier to manipulate.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:02:06 PM EST
I got the Mod 4 also and it works well with an MBUS. The Mod 3 would've been too big. I got mine from G & R Tactical so I didn't get any BCM swag. I would definitely order my next Gunfighter CHs straight from Bravo next time.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:03:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted".


Exactly what I thought before I handled one.

Then...I handled one.

It's $20-25 more than a quality charging handle (which is still a weaker design) and much easier to manipulate.


Bro, I'll take your word for it....But I would rather spend the cash on ammo, than buy a new charging handle. If mine ever breaks, i'll get one, I promise.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:03:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 87GN:

I'll say it again, this product comes closer to making an AR-15 part obsolete than anything I've ever handled. I scoffed at that very idea when I saw this handle - rolling my eyes, saying "what, now I have to buy half a dozen new charging handles, my old ones are obsolete?" The answer is yes, the GFH does make that much of a difference. I think BCM sending me a GFH for free was just a clever ploy to get me to buy more, because I'm definitely going to do just that.


HA! Sucker.

I figured the same thing, why do I need to spend $45 on a CH that probably doesn't do anything a $20 CH from CMT can't? I figured BCM was just making money on me for being a sucker that will buy anything with BCM written on it.

BCM can surprise the best of us.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:04:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted". Sure, Bravo company makes great stuff, but why the hype for a charging handle???


If you don't want one then don't get one. Why are you getting all emotional about it? PMS much?

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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:06:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By type56:

Bro, I'll take your word for it....But I would rather spend the cash on ammo, than buy a new charging handle. If mine ever breaks, i'll get one, I promise.


I hear you. If you get the chance to try one out, don't hesitate. You may find yourself borrowing spare change from your junior NCOs to get one.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:09:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By Long_Rifle:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted". Sure, Bravo company makes great stuff, but why the hype for a charging handle???


If you don't want one then don't get one. Why are you getting all emotional about it? PMS much?



STFU n00b...
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:10:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
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Bro, I'll take your word for it....But I would rather spend the cash on ammo, than buy a new charging handle. If mine ever breaks, i'll get one, I promise.


I hear you. If you get the chance to try one out, don't hesitate. You may find yourself borrowing spare change from your junior NCOs to get one.


I actually take what you say about gear to heart, you seem to know what your talking about...But I aint got any use for one just yet..But I guess I could beat a few lower enlisted in a game of poker and get one!!
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:12:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By type56:
Originally Posted By Long_Rifle:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted". Sure, Bravo company makes great stuff, but why the hype for a charging handle???


If you don't want one then don't get one. Why are you getting all emotional about it? PMS much?



STFU n00b...


I guess your 1,887 of worthless banter make you an expert on the subject.

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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:14:16 PM EST
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I would really appreciate it if this thread did not go downhill. Does not go downhill. Where is my English today?
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:14:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted".


Exactly what I thought before I handled one.

Then...I handled one.

It's $20-25 more than a quality charging handle (which is still a weaker design) and much easier to manipulate.

Once you figure in an after market latch there isn't much of a difference in price.

I've never broken a charging handle like what is in your picture but I have broken the pin. The BCM is a definite improvement IMO.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:16:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By Long_Rifle:
Originally Posted By type56:
Originally Posted By Long_Rifle:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted". Sure, Bravo company makes great stuff, but why the hype for a charging handle???


If you don't want one then don't get one. Why are you getting all emotional about it? PMS much?



STFU n00b...


I guess your 1,887 of worthless banter make you an expert on the subject.



No my 10 years of using a M16 variant makes me a expert on this...Sorry 87 for the hijack
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:18:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By type56:
Originally Posted By Long_Rifle:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted". Sure, Bravo company makes great stuff, but why the hype for a charging handle???


If you don't want one then don't get one. Why are you getting all emotional about it? PMS much?



STFU n00b...


wow, now that's class. congratulations.
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Originally Posted By rav3nwulfe:
Originally Posted By type56:
Originally Posted By Long_Rifle:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted". Sure, Bravo company makes great stuff, but why the hype for a charging handle???


If you don't want one then don't get one. Why are you getting all emotional about it? PMS much?



STFU n00b...


wow, now that's class. congratulations.


I try...
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I managed to bend a charging handle in a similar fashion to the one pictured in the OP, at a class.

As a result, I bought 3 handles, figuring I could flip them if I didn't like them.

I like them. A lot.
It is much easier to manipulate the charging handle than before, and they seem to be plenty tough. I also get a much more positive purchase on the latch, gloved and bare handed.

By the time you factor in an aftermarket latch, like a Badger, there really isn't that much of a price difference.


I'm glad you liked them, 87GN.


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I'm glad you liked them, 87GN.
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Well since I have you to thank...well, thanks.
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To anyone with 1st hand experience...

How would you compare the Mod4 to the new LMT handle?

How would you compare the Mod 3 to a quality handle with Badger Gen II latch?


When it comes down to it, these BCM handles are a good deal. They're made by Vltor for BCM, two top quality names, and at $45 they're "neck & neck" with a standard handle @ $20 + tac latch @ $20. I'm just trying to decide if I make the switch or not. My BRD is slowing making me become a gear whore btw.
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Back on track here a little bit. The BCM thing looks like a good product. I picked up one of the Badger latches a while back so I could hit it with my palm towards me. No problems with the Badger latch and it works fine for the palm method.

However, I noticed in last weekend's carbine course that I was reverting to the knuckle method. (Using the knuckle of the index finger of my support hand to hit the CH.) I also realized that the Badger latch does stick out quite a bit. I was running a belt rig so snagging on gear wasn't an issue but, with the rifle slung across my chest it was prodding me and got a little annoying.

So, the BCM charging handle may be the next change I make to the rifle.

ETA: we're back on track already. I type slow.
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Originally Posted By jerz_subbie:
To anyone with 1st hand experience...

How would you compare the Mod4 to the new LMT handle?

How would you compare the Mod 3 to a quality handle with Badger Gen II latch?


When it comes down to it, these BCM handles are a good deal. They're made by Vltor for BCM, two top quality names, and at $45 they're "neck & neck" with a standard handle @ $20 + tac latch @ $20. I'm just trying to decide if I make the switch or not. My BRD is slowing making me become a gear whore btw.


I haven't tried the LMT handle, but I have a Badger Gen II on a colt handle.
The BCM is much easier to manipulate, with a much more positive disengagement, and has the side benefit of not being anywhere near as snag-happy. It also seems to slide more smoothly.

It also doesn't dig into me when slung as badly.

Edit: Compare with above post for Badger thoughts.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 3:33:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 87GN:
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I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted".


Exactly what I thought before I handled one.

Then...I handled one.

It's $20-25 more than a quality charging handle (which is still a weaker design) and much easier to manipulate.


Bro, I'll take your word for it....But I would rather spend the cash on ammo, than buy a new charging handle. If mine ever breaks, i'll get one, I promise.


20$ of ammo should get you pretty far
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Ok 87, i took your word and ordered one just now from BCM, It was 52.and some change with shipping....I hope its all you said it is.

Also, If it doesnt make me shoot sub MOA with my Vulcan plastic M4 Im takin you to the pit!!!
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Originally Posted By type56:
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By type56:
I have tens of thousands of rounds through my regular charging handle and no problems...Why the gawdy "operator" gear???

I mean really, whats wrong with a regular charging handle? Used mine in carbine courses, and my M4 in the sandbox had a regular charging handle, and again no problems there...To quote "A fool and his money is soon parted".


Exactly what I thought before I handled one.

Then...I handled one.

It's $20-25 more than a quality charging handle (which is still a weaker design) and much easier to manipulate.


Bro, I'll take your word for it....But I would rather spend the cash on ammo, than buy a new charging handle. If mine ever breaks, i'll get one, I promise.


20$ of ammo should get you pretty far


Actually its over 50.00 smart ass. thats lke 1050 rounds of .22LR...
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Ok 87, i took your word and ordered one just now from BCM, It was 52.and some change with shipping....I hope its all you said it is.

Also, If it doesnt make me shoot sub MOA with my Vulcan plastic M4 Im takin you to the pit!!!


I really doubt that you will be disappointed. If you are, I'll buy it off you.
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