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Posted: 2/18/2009 4:31:35 AM EDT
If someone wanted the best AR-15 money can buy, what do you think it would be?

To keep it simple, let's stick to the basic gun packages as made by the manufacturer.

Criteria:
- .223/5.56
- 16" barrell
- carbine

Looking forward to the opinions.
Mark

Link Posted: 2/18/2009 4:33:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 4:40:27 AM EDT
The one you have, the one that runs well.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 5:10:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2009 5:12:32 AM EDT by Cold]
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 5:13:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2009 5:18:42 AM EDT by WhyNotDev8]
KAC SR15 E3 hands down.

Does everything a Colt/LMT does, but has more features built into it.

The HK416, if we could ever our hands on one, would be the other.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 12:02:31 PM EDT
KAC Sr15....

No, u cant have mine ;)
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 12:05:05 PM EDT
KAC
Noveske
Colt
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 12:22:39 PM EDT
Colt or LMT for me.

Link Posted: 2/18/2009 12:23:28 PM EDT
I second the HK 416
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 12:38:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 12:39:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2009 12:40:00 PM EDT by secretbard]
I vote Noveske or Colt. Bushmaster too.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 12:43:38 PM EDT
I'd throw in Sabre Defence as well.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 1:11:35 PM EDT
Noveske N4 with VIS for me, but with a 14.5" barrel.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 1:17:20 PM EDT
IMO LMT I traded my Colt for it. I would love to have a Knight's SR15 though.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 1:18:11 PM EDT
CMMG or Spike.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 1:47:22 PM EDT
Noveske's are nice and I Love the press my N4 gets with the hammer forged double chrome lined M249 barrel, I also the SWS rails, Vltor, and Troy sites the Noveske comes with makes it one of the best looking rifles out there, but it does nothing special over my Bushmaster M4 I bought 4 years ago.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 1:50:58 PM EDT
LMT or Knights
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 1:56:30 PM EDT
I'm gonna say LMT, since I don't have a Noveske or Knights yet.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 1:58:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MRKIMBER44:
I'm gonna say LMT, since I don't have a Noveske or Knights yet.


I have them all. The Knights is the best. Although there is nothing wrong the LMT.
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 2:02:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2009 2:02:54 PM EDT by 87GN]
Vulcan
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 2:03:01 PM EDT
OMG...not this shit again. Is it Monday already? Aren't Thursday's M4 feed ramp day?
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 2:08:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Vulcan


+1 for the guns of the special forces. The OP might as well have asked everyone what their favorite color is
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 2:11:48 PM EDT
I've had great success with vulcan/blackthorne/hesse. They make great weapons!



Link Posted: 2/18/2009 2:33:34 PM EDT
the one in your hands
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 2:42:49 PM EDT
D&L Sports
JP Enterprises
MSTN
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 2:48:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2009 2:49:35 PM EDT by mean_sartin]
I like my 16" Rock River

But differetn strokes for different folks
Link Posted: 2/18/2009 3:03:55 PM EDT
I have a couple complete LMT M4's that run flawlessly. As long as it fires when it is supposed to, it is the best rifle available.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 6:18:48 AM EDT
16inch barrel and semi-auto fcg is not standard issue for infantry so that throws a wrench into it. Otherwise I would say purchase parts or assemblies from companies that have or have had military M16/M4 contracts/sub-contracts and you likely will be getting parts that would also go into their military guns. It would be more efficient for a company to use legally compatable and same source parts in the military and commercial lines. Assemble your rifle and it should be as close as legally possible to all mil-spec.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 6:26:53 AM EDT
what the hell, I will play:

kac
noveske
sabre

Just got a sabre, i am surprised these are not mentioned more often. They are freaking nice.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 6:45:58 AM EDT
man, you guys don't know what you are talking about!



If they provide machine guns for special forces, i need look no further
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 6:55:38 AM EDT
There is no one answer that will fit all the needs of the shooter.

The correct answer is "as many as possible".
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 6:56:38 AM EDT
Why bother asking this rediculous question?

It's like walking into a bar and asking "whats the best beer?"
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 7:01:17 AM EDT
A free one!
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 7:05:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RealFastV6:
Why bother asking this rediculous question?

It's like walking into a bar and asking "whats the best beer?"


It's a valid question. I'm sure he's fishing for a general idea of people's opinions. If it wasn't for questions in this genre (best?/worst?) I wouldn't have known which manufacturers to specifically avoid when buying rifles, mags, ammo.

Also FYI:
The best local (to me) beer is Bavarian Bliss Hefewiezen.
The best regional beer is Oberon




Link Posted: 2/19/2009 7:14:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2009 7:15:24 AM EDT by socommatthews]
Originally Posted By RealFastV6:
Why bother asking this rediculous question?

It's like walking into a bar and asking "whats the best beer?"


Agreed. Or like asking "Colt vs XXX"

....but I love my Noveske and, dare I say, my DPMS was reliable as hell too.

......Heineken FTW
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 7:26:50 AM EDT
The Arms Tech USR as featured in the las April issue of SWAT. Now that Joe got a big military contract good luck in geting one. But, a couple of us have him convinced to open a civilian line in his new, big. factory when he move into it next month. Look at pics of Karzai's body gurads and many have the Compact16 with can.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 7:35:40 AM EDT
LaRue, cause it's made to TexasSpec which we all know is lightyears ahead of milspec.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 8:20:48 AM EDT
Before becoming a Jedi one must first assemble his own lightsaber...
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 9:07:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
LaRue, cause it's made to TexasSpec which we all know is lightyears ahead of milspec.


I want to call "sarcasm", but there's no tell tale smiley...

Link Posted: 2/19/2009 9:08:07 AM EDT
nobody said les baer yet? I thought those were supposed to be very good. KAC is also up there. But both brands are extremely pricey. For a top quality duty gun(not so expensive you dont mind running it hard) id say sabre noveske lmt and colt all pretty much equal. Noveske and sabre are known for having some of the best factory barrels on the market around these parts.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 9:17:20 AM EDT
Easy.

#1 MSTN custom build. (it will of course be built with KAC, LMT, Colt, and Knights stuff)
#2 COLT 6920
#3 LMT Defender (complete rifle)

Don't give me that fucking DD or Noveske shit either.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 9:25:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheMocoMan:
Easy.

#1 MSTN custom build. (it will of course be built with KAC, LMT, Colt, and Knights stuff)
#2 COLT 6920
#3 LMT Defender (complete rifle)

Don't give me that fucking DD or Noveske shit either.


Yeah Noveske's are horrible guns. I hear they are like Hershey Bars, they melt in your hands.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 9:27:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2009 9:29:13 AM EDT by tmorg]
COLT 6920. Why,because I have one.And if I have one it must be the best.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 9:35:34 AM EDT
Best carbine regardless of price?
KAC SR15E3

Best carbines that are commonly available?
Colt
LMT
BCM
Noveske

Originally Posted By Lucky_lefty:
CMMG or Spike.


lol
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 9:48:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Best carbine regardless of price?
KAC SR15E3

Best carbines that are commonly available?
Colt
LMT
BCM
Noveske

Originally Posted By Lucky_lefty:
CMMG or Spike.


lol


I think he hit it on the head.
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 10:00:39 AM EDT
Ive owned them all. I have a Colt 6920 and a LMT 16" in the safe and my SR-15 E3 IWS Is far superior to both of them.

Knights E3 Mafia Out , Booooooooyyyyeeeeee !!!



Link Posted: 2/19/2009 10:11:09 AM EDT
The one you build yourself...
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 10:36:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CooperDb:
Ive owned them all. I have a Colt 6920 and a LMT 16" in the safe and my SR-15 E3 IWS Is far superior to both of them.

Knights E3 Mafia Out , Booooooooyyyyeeeeee !!!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k64/dudzzy/gangstagranny.jpg]http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k64/dudzzy/gangstagranny.jpg



E3 Mafia unite!
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 11:11:33 AM EDT
Oh, Oh, Can I play?

1. Larue (especially that stealth)
2. Lmt (non piston)
3. Colt 6920
4. CMMG
5. Stag ( Just re stake the damn thing, its 2 seconds with a hammer.)



Have I learned anything yet?
Link Posted: 2/19/2009 12:30:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By RealFastV6:
Why bother asking this rediculous question?

It's like walking into a bar and asking "whats the best beer?"


It's a valid question. I'm sure he's fishing for a general idea of people's opinions. If it wasn't for questions in this genre (best?/worst?) I wouldn't have known which manufacturers to specifically avoid when buying rifles, mags, ammo.


Oh bullshit.

It might be the kind of question you ask a specific person in order to get their opinion.

It is NOT the kind of question you post on a forum for 100 different people to answer.

Case in point, look at the replies. CMMG? Stag? RRA? Are you fucking kidding?

Most of the people replying are justifying their own purchases.






Link Posted: 2/19/2009 2:28:09 PM EDT
#1.Colt
#2.LMT
#3.Noveske

Be aware that Colts often use a different sized pin ,so you may have parts interchangability issues with
colt trigger parts and non-Colt lowers and non-Colt trigger parts .

My solution to this problem has been to purchase all Colts and Colt spare internal parts .

Oh , and my favorite color is green.

Magpul Foliage Green to be precise .
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