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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:01:33 PM
I just did 40-48 seeing as this post is pretty helpful

Half of the posts were either in regards to which light from surfire is best or either thanking Pat for responding to their 1st post or wondering why Pat left

The usual "keep her lubed" and "only buy a colt" was popular too

Here are the specific take aways I found
- mag feed lip problem on an older 20-round mag
- hammer j pin broken
- bushmaster had a broken extractor that then ruined bolt
- bushmaster had a bolt locking lug break at 12k rounds
- barrel nut vibrated loose
- ejector spring broke
- stag arms broken ejection port cover
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Posted: 1/24/2012 1:18:37 PM
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Nicely done, baitdragger. Thanks for taking the time to add to the summary.



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Posted: 2/21/2012 1:15:32 PM
This thread needs a bump!

Too much good info here to let it go to archives.

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Posted: 2/21/2012 5:39:27 PM

I seem to remember Pat mentioning something about some sort of super whizz-bang extractor that can be used in lieu of the standard one that comes with a typical bolt.

I've looked on a couple of separate occasions but haven't been able to find that post.

Anyone recall that being mentioned here?

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Posted: 2/21/2012 5:45:38 PM

Originally Posted By Winn:

I seem to remember Pat mentioning something about some sort of super whizz-bang extractor that can be used in lieu of the standard one that comes with a typical bolt.

I've looked on a couple of separate occasions but haven't been able to find that post.

Anyone recall that being mentioned here?


Nope, unless you just mean the black insert/5 coil spring +/- the viton O-ring. And most of the better brands come with the insert/spring already.
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Posted: 2/21/2012 5:45:48 PM
D-Ring or something?
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Posted: 2/21/2012 5:48:07 PM

No, no ... none of those.

The extractor itself.

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I'd be interested in finding out if there was a particular extractor that Pat had recc. using. Anyone at all recall what this was? I'm in the process of buying some spare parts based on this thread, and am particularly interested in mention of a high quality extractor. Anybody remember what it may be??

Here's my spare parts list I want to assemble, based on the results of this thread (with note to self of the ones I already have):

High quality BCG
Disconnector
Ejector spring
Firing pin retainer pin
Extractor
Buffer retainer pin
Bolt cam pin
Charging handle (got it)
Trigger spring (got it)
Bolt rings (got it)
Buffer spring (got it)
Extractor spring (got it)

BCM and Rainer websites were mentioned for buying spare parts. Also Colt and LMT parts from Borwnells. Which of these three choices has the best quality at the best price?? So far, I've accumulated the spares I have (as opposed to intentionally buying them).
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Posted: 3/20/2012 6:39:25 PM
Any of them would be good choices... don't loose a lot of sleep out of which one...
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:24:18 PM
I don't see top shelf manufacturers guns breaking at classes I've been at.

Maybe some frankenstein guns and home builds using no name parts?
*post contains personal opinion only and should not be considered information released in an official capacity*
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Posted: 4/25/2012 2:34:55 AM
Originally Posted By baitdragger:
I just did 40-48 seeing as this post is pretty helpful

Half of the posts were either in regards to which light from surfire is best or either thanking Pat for responding to their 1st post or wondering why Pat left

The usual "keep her lubed" and "only buy a colt" was popular too

Here are the specific take aways I found
- mag feed lip problem on an older 20-round mag
- hammer j pin broken
- bushmaster had a broken extractor that then ruined bolt
- bushmaster had a bolt locking lug break at 12k rounds
- barrel nut vibrated loose
- ejector spring broke
- stag arms broken ejection port cover


And the great summary you posted was exactly what I was wanting to know when I first posted this some time ago.






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Posted: 4/25/2012 3:12:57 PM
Originally Posted By Another-Bill:
Originally Posted By baitdragger:
I just did 40-48 seeing as this post is pretty helpful

Half of the posts were either in regards to which light from surfire is best or either thanking Pat for responding to their 1st post or wondering why Pat left

The usual "keep her lubed" and "only buy a colt" was popular too

Here are the specific take aways I found
- mag feed lip problem on an older 20-round mag
- hammer j pin broken
- bushmaster had a broken extractor that then ruined bolt
- bushmaster had a bolt locking lug break at 12k rounds
- barrel nut vibrated loose
- ejector spring broke
- stag arms broken ejection port cover


And the great summary you posted was exactly what I was wanting to know when I first posted this some time ago.






Bill


Since you are the topic author, you should edit the title to read that "Thread summaries are on pages 48-49."

Either that or make a definitive list of all of the items mentioned in the summaries and edit the first post.

That would be cool.

and thanks for starting a great thread!



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Posted: 4/25/2012 3:29:57 PM
Here's my quick and dirty summary of this thread:

*PARTS FAILURE:
-bolt
-bolt cam pin
-bolt carrier
-bolt carrier gas key (staking)
-bolt/gas rings
-extractor
-extractor pin
-extractor spring
-firing pin
-firing pin retaining pin
-charging handle/latch pin
-castle nut (loosening)
-buffer retainer pin
-buffer spring
-hammer/trigger/disconnector springs & pins
-triggers (match & aftermarket)
-barrel nut (loosening)
-forward assist/pin
-ejection port cover
-mag feed lips
-unsecured optics
-slings

*REPLACE:
-Upper/barrel @ 12-15k
-Bolt may be replaced NLT 10k
-Lower's internals @ 10k

*M.E.A.L.:
-Magazines
-Extrator
-Ammunition
-Lube

*NOTES:
-Most problems relate to MEAL
-Buy quality parts, mags and ammo
-Use plenty of lube
-Locktite all screws and index mark 'em.
-Have a spare or back up
-Aimpoint, LaRue, Surefire, BCM and PMAGs are GTG.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 3:44:36 PM
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Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
Originally Posted By Another-Bill:
Originally Posted By baitdragger:
I just did 40-48 seeing as this post is pretty helpful

Half of the posts were either in regards to which light from surfire is best or either thanking Pat for responding to their 1st post or wondering why Pat left

The usual "keep her lubed" and "only buy a colt" was popular too

Here are the specific take aways I found
- mag feed lip problem on an older 20-round mag
- hammer j pin broken
- bushmaster had a broken extractor that then ruined bolt
- bushmaster had a bolt locking lug break at 12k rounds
- barrel nut vibrated loose
- ejector spring broke
- stag arms broken ejection port cover


And the great summary you posted was exactly what I was wanting to know when I first posted this some time ago.






Bill


Since you are the topic author, you should edit the title to read that "Thread summaries are on pages 48-49."

Either that or make a definitive list of all of the items mentioned in the summaries and edit the first post.

That would be cool.

and thanks for starting a great thread!





Good Idea, I did it.

Thanks to all who have added so much information.





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Posted: 4/25/2012 5:43:49 PM
The list should mainly apply to shitty or poorly built parts/rifles.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 6:03:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Another-Bill:

Good Idea, I did it.

Thanks to all who have added so much information.


Bill


I think something may have gotten goofed up.

I don't see the edited / updated info.



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Posted: 4/25/2012 6:20:47 PM
Originally Posted By Winn:
Originally Posted By Another-Bill:

Good Idea, I did it.

Thanks to all who have added so much information.


Bill


I think something may have gotten goofed up.

I don't see the edited / updated info.





It's on the first post on the first page.





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Posted: 4/25/2012 8:08:44 PM
Originally Posted By Another-Bill:
Originally Posted By Winn:
Originally Posted By Another-Bill:

Good Idea, I did it.

Thanks to all who have added so much information.


Bill


I think something may have gotten goofed up.

I don't see the edited / updated info.





It's on the first post on the first page.

Bill


Have you double checked your post ... ?

Sorry, but there's nothing there.



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Posted: 4/25/2012 8:17:02 PM
Originally Posted By Winn:
Originally Posted By Another-Bill:
Originally Posted By Winn:
Originally Posted By Another-Bill:

Good Idea, I did it.

Thanks to all who have added so much information.


Bill


I think something may have gotten goofed up.

I don't see the edited / updated info.





It's on the first post on the first page.

Bill


Have you double checked your post ... ?

Sorry, but there's nothing there.





It's in the title or header.





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Posted: 7/29/2012 9:49:40 AM
I really like this thread. I have built Frank-parts M4 using all Top-Shelf Parts using BCM FA-BCG,Colt barrel, BCM unmarked upper Rec. What are Top Shelf lower parts kits? I have used DPMS and Double Star LPK . I am not sure if the DPMS will hold-up for the long haul.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 10:41:56 AM
We have the "keep alive" turned on for this thread. It will not drop into the archives.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 11:38:22 AM
I have never used one of these "AR Receiver Rugs", but they supposedly work, and they are inexpensive.

My buddy's rifle went tits up during a carbine class because of a popped primer.
His trigger group was locked up tight.

This simple item would have prevented that.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/970550/dpms-molded-receiver-rug-ar-15-mil-spec-trigger-rubber-red

I think I'm gonna buy one and try it for awhile in my 3-gun rifle.

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I appreciate everyone going through and making a list of parts that break, but you guys pretty much listed everything an AR contains. Perhaps a weighted list would be more helpful?
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob:
I appreciate everyone going through and making a list of parts that break, but you guys pretty much listed everything an AR contains. Perhaps a weighted list would be more helpful?

High failure parts in a carbine course are high failure parts whenever, they just come to the fore much quicker when you start wringing the piece out.

Replacement parts to have (near as I can tell, though I'm no instructor)

I'm refing JSE Surplus for no particular reason other than that I know they have (or at least list) all of the parts and are okay folks to work with.

Spare bolt http://www.jsesurplus.com/jpboltcarriercompletionkit.aspx

Bolt Component Kit http://www.jsesurplus.com/dpmsar15boltcomponentkit.aspx

Lower spring kit http://www.jsesurplus.com/jselowerpartsessentialspringkit.aspx

Bolt Carrier Group, if you're spooked http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar15boltandcarrierassy-rra-2-1.aspx

Buffer Spring. http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar15a2bufferspring.aspx

Whole thing will fit in a cargo pocket or medium GP pouch. And you don't really need the carrier most times so long as you have one that's of decent quality.

Buffers and buffer retention pins/springs do fail, but so rarely (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) it's borderline paranoia to carry them around. Still, they don't weigh much, so if you feel unlucky, go for it.

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Posted: 8/23/2012 2:43:48 PM
Took me the better part of the day to read all of this... a lot of good information.
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