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Posted: 9/7/2023 3:28:09 PM EDT
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:59:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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How about a lightweight "A4-ish clone"? I prefer it in every way to an actual A4 clone.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2023 8:01:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff: How about a lightweight "A4-ish clone"? I prefer it in every way to an actual A4 clone. https://i.imgur.com/9cpe4d5.jpg Me too. What barrel is that? Looking to do that to my M16A2. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:24:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: Me too. What barrel is that? Looking to do that to my M16A2. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: Originally Posted By 556Cliff: How about a lightweight "A4-ish clone"? I prefer it in every way to an actual A4 clone. https://i.imgur.com/9cpe4d5.jpg Me too. What barrel is that? Looking to do that to my M16A2. It's a Brownells "retro" barrel in 1/7 twist as made by Ballistic Advantage. I have 6 of them and originally 3 were (still are) going to M16/A1 clones and the other 3 were going to be paired with C7 uppers, but that plan fell through due to my bad luck so now they are likely all going to be lightweight "A4-ish clones". Not that them being paired with flat top uppers is a bad thing, as the lightweight barrels will really be nice when the weight of an ACOG is added. Edit: Seems that the Brownells retro 1/7 twist A1 barrels have been discontinued as I can't find them on their site. I'd go with this when it's back in stock. > https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-retro-m16a1-stripped-barrel-assembly.html These don't have M4 feed ramps and you have to keep an eye out for canted front sight bases being a PSA product. It was the same for the Brownells retro barrels. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 8:59:07 PM EDT
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Del-Ton also makes a 20" LW barrelled upper. It's1/9 though.
Been a fun shooter (bottom in below pic).  HERE |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 6:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SgtKiwi: Del-Ton also makes a 20" LW barrelled upper. It's1/9 though. Been a fun shooter (bottom in below pic). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4149/20220801_193248-2473417.jpg HERE That does look like a fun setup and it looks cool. I would've never thought to put a TA33 on a 20" rifle. |
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Posted: 10/5/2023 9:44:16 PM EDT
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I apologize if this has been asked already but for those of you who had a UID tag made for your Colt M16A4 (USMC) clone, what is the correct Part#?
The base rifle (if it matters?) is a Colt AR-15A4 and I know the cage code is 13629. Thanks |
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Posted: 10/6/2023 12:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airgunner: I apologize if this has been asked already but for those of you who had a UID tag made for your Colt M16A4 (USMC) clone, what is the correct Part#? The base rifle (if it matters?) is a Colt AR-15A4 and I know the cage code is 13629. Thanks 12973001 |
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Posted: 10/7/2023 9:03:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HammerForged: 12973001 Thanks |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/11/2023 3:17:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wormraper]
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ok, first time I've ever tried to "clone" something, so bear with me. I ended up drunk grabbing a Colt AR15A4 the other day brand new, and now my brain is literally screaming at me "you should clone the M16a4 and spend more money!!!!"
from what I've gathered up I should be looking at 1. Acog TA31RCO-A4CP or TA31F 2. KAC or P&S M5 RAS with rail covers (pricey, but I'm a whore so I'll take it) 3. Matech BUIS (brownells has the Matech, easy grab HERE ) 4. Sling and mag pouch for that "strapped over your buttstock" look anything I'm missing??? the Acog will have to be last because....ouch on price....but the rest is easily doable in the meantime... only thing is, I'm not sure what the correct sling and pouch are. I've seen some people talk about the specter arms setup, another a vickers sling and seperate pouch.... any links or directions for what to grab? *sigh, and right after I buy this I look at the Colt LE6920 Socom and start thinking (wow, that's 90% of a block 1 assembly already.... I could just grab a sopmod stock, an M2/M4 and the sling and call it a day... it's only money? right?) |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 12:32:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: zWarlord]
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This would be a correct choice for the sling & pouch.
http://www.spectergear.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SG%2D1073 I actually ended up liking that sling so much I grabbed another for my go-to rifle. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 7:04:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zWarlord: This would be a correct choice for the sling & pouch. http://www.spectergear.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SG%2D1073 I actually ended up liking that sling so much I grabbed another for my go-to rifle. awesome! that's one of the ones I was looking at. wanted to make sure it was the right one. now to just find a M5 RAS in stock anywhere lol |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 9:26:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: deadmau5er]
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Originally Posted By wormraper: awesome! that's one of the ones I was looking at. wanted to make sure it was the right one. now to just find a M5 RAS in stock anywhere lol Not sure if the forum allows me to promote (only here to admire builds) but I’ve got one on the EE (from an fn collector m16) along with an A4CP ACOG and a matech which I’d happily discount as a package 
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Posted: 10/15/2023 9:09:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wormraper: awesome! that's one of the ones I was looking at. wanted to make sure it was the right one. now to just find a M5 RAS in stock anywhere lol Thoroughbred Armaments had some of the P&S verity along with Brownell’s. Daniel |
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Posted: 10/15/2023 12:07:12 PM EDT
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So my quasi M16A4 clone really got to my bonus son (who's a Marine and actually shot M16A4's during his time in service) jonesing badly for his own so that gave me an excuse to build another one and this time keep it fairly clone correct...
  This one is all Colt and KAC. Started with a Colt AR-15A4 base and added the KAC RAS, VFG and USMC marked rear BUIS. Also felt like he needed the appropriate USMC bayonet especially with OKC going belly up. I'm leaving the optic up to him but it will likely end up being an ACOG |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2023 1:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279: Thoroughbred Armaments had some of the P&S verity along with Brownell's. Daniel both are out. checked first lol. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/20/2023 11:52:17 PM EDT
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 Aero lower Palmetto premium 20” KISS hang over your ranch house door A2 |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2023 9:25:23 PM EDT
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This should be good for my lower
M16a4 |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2023 9:28:36 PM EDT
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Nice
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2023 9:57:24 AM EDT
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just to confirm. this is the proper cage and part # setup for the UID sticker for an M16A4 and M4a1 rifle correct??? (serial number will be my own, that's just a throw in one)
going to put one on a colt M16a4 clone (from an AR15A4) and the other a M4a1 socom block 1 (ish) clone using a Colt LE6920 Socom. wanted to verify before I hit the order button  |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:49:33 PM EDT
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12973001 is apparently the correct part # for the M16A4. I would assume the M4 has a different part # but I don't know what it is?
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/27/2023 1:31:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wormraper]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airgunner: 12973001 is apparently the correct part # for the M16A4. I would assume the M4 has a different part # but I don't know what it is? got it...I double checked and the 12973001 is definitely 16a4..... I believe the 12972700 is the M4 series so to verify with everyone before I order the sticker for the M16a4 Cage 13629 Part 12973001 Serial....duh |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 4:05:30 AM EDT
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Never saw the stickers when I was in (06-10), they look cool though.
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Posted: 10/28/2023 11:23:59 AM EDT
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 Attached File Attached File Attached File2018 Colt AR15A4 Late GWOT M-16A4 Clone -KAC Handguards -Matech BUIS -A4 RCO Acog -13629 Marked Charging Handle -Surplus Buttstock Cleaning Kit -Spectre Gear Sling -SSA-E Trigger -No F Marked FSB -C Stamped BCG -13629 Dot Matrix Marked Upper Square Forge Mark -CLW UID Label -Geissele Super 42 Rifle Spring By far my favorite AR, I would take an A4 over my issued M4 any day of the week except for maybe a 10 mile plus ruck. Taken me years to get all the expensive parts in there. I would of left the Colt recoil spring and trigger in but the G parts just make it a little smoother and more fun to shoot. The SSA-E is ridiculously light, I may swap it with a SSA or NM. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2023 8:46:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scrapple]
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 As issued. I really like this configuration. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2023 1:40:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wormraper: awesome! that's one of the ones I was looking at. wanted to make sure it was the right one. now to just find a M5 RAS in stock anywhere lol Have you had any luck finding a new M5 RAS? I'm in the market for one. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2023 10:39:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wormraper]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OSU_Buckeyes: Have you had any luck finding a new M5 RAS? I'm in the market for one. no. Wetworx outfitters got in the M4 RAS's the other day, but no M5's. |
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Posted: 11/2/2023 11:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matt_Hunter: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/589203/IMG_0382_jpeg-3007237.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/589203/IMG_0383_jpeg-3007238.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/589203/IMG_1054_jpeg-3007239.JPG 2018 Colt AR15A4 Late GWOT M-16A4 Clone -KAC Handguards -Matech BUIS -A4 RCO Acog -13629 Marked Charging Handle -Surplus Buttstock Cleaning Kit -Spectre Gear Sling -SSA-E Trigger -No F Marked FSB -C Stamped BCG -13629 Dot Matrix Marked Upper Square Forge Mark -CLW UID Label -Geissele Super 42 Rifle Spring By far my favorite AR, I would take an A4 over my issued M4 any day of the week except for maybe a 10 mile plus ruck. Taken me years to get all the expensive parts in there. I would of left the Colt recoil spring and trigger in but the G parts just make it a little smoother and more fun to shoot. The SSA-E is ridiculously light, I may swap it with a SSA or NM. What are the details on the M-14? Looks nice. |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 7:23:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lew: What are the details on the M-14? Looks nice. That was a 2019 M1A National Match. I had big, expensive plans for it before I got laid off in 2019 and joined the Military. I instead traded it in and built out an AR-10 the way I wanted it. The NM is a pure competition rifle, doesn't like to be broken down and cleaned because of the bedded stock. I could of thrown it in a sage chassis, but that's another 1000$ already on top of the 400$ scope mount and 1000$+ scope it deserved. In the end, the AR-10 is just as accurate and much easier to take care of and upgrade the way I want. The M1A Loaded variants are the ones to get for normal useage. I should have gone that route. But live and learn. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 12:45:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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What’s a good source (maybe a BF sale) for an A2 stock for a USMC m16a4 clone?
Are Matech and KAC rear BUIS okay? Specter gear sling is okay with the M5 rail? Is coyote tan okay? Colt ambi safety is correct? |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 9:38:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: What’s a good source (maybe a BF sale) for an A2 stock for a USMC m16a4 clone? Are Matech and KAC rear BUIS okay? Specter gear sling is okay with the M5 rail? Is coyote tan okay? Colt ambi safety is correct? If you don't have an ACOG just use a carry handle. You could also put the carry handle on the KAC rail at 6oclock behind the vertical grip if you really want to be clone correct after you put an acog on it.  .
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Posted: 11/19/2023 1:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: If you don't have an ACOG just use a carry handle. You could also put the carry handle on the KAC rail at 6oclock behind the vertical grip if you really want to be clone correct after you put an acog on it. .Lol I’ve seen those pics I’m almost trying to use this as an excuse to get back into an ACOG |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 3:39:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: https://i.ibb.co/DDR68vh/20231027-123858.jpg As issued. I really like this configuration. @Scrapple What buffer is in it? H2? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:51:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HammerForged: @Scrapple What buffer is in it? H2? H6 |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:34:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Lol I’ve seen those pics I’m almost trying to use this as an excuse to get back into an ACOG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By 03RN: If you don't have an ACOG just use a carry handle. You could also put the carry handle on the KAC rail at 6oclock behind the vertical grip if you really want to be clone correct after you put an acog on it. .Lol I’ve seen those pics I’m almost trying to use this as an excuse to get back into an ACOG Lol, I hear ya |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 3:40:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MK318]
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The ACOG is nice but the stripped down carry handle set up is more handy. The A4 fully kitted out is pretty heavy. The buttsotck mag pouch adds weight but it adds to the balance of the rifle. Makes it feel much better when handling. Owning two A4s set up the same with the only difference being the ACOG, I like the carry handle better.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:00:57 AM EDT
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That's why I have a A2 (Colt R6600) and a A4 clone with ACOG/M5 RAS. Best of both worlds. Think I'll built another A2 with Govt barrel.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:21:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: That's why I have a A2 (Colt R6600) and a A4 clone with ACOG/M5 RAS. Best of both worlds. Think I'll built another A2 with Govt barrel. This is the way!! |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:50:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: The ACOG is nice but the stripped down carry handle set up is more handy. The A4 fully kitted out is pretty heavy. The buttsotck mag pouch adds weight but it adds to the balance of the rifle. Makes it feel much better when handling. Owning two A4s set up the same with the only difference being the ACOG, I like the carry handle better. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_6331_jpeg-3034707.JPG The A2 handles even better I've been carrying mine a lot this year |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:18:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: The A2 handles even better I've been carrying mine a lot this year Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By MK318: The ACOG is nice but the stripped down carry handle set up is more handy. The A4 fully kitted out is pretty heavy. The buttsotck mag pouch adds weight but it adds to the balance of the rifle. Makes it feel much better when handling. Owning two A4s set up the same with the only difference being the ACOG, I like the carry handle better. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_6331_jpeg-3034707.JPG The A2 handles even better I've been carrying mine a lot this year I also prefer the weight, balance and overall handling of the A2 better than the A4. And that's not comparing the A4 in it's full on clone configuration with the KAC rail and buttstock mag pouch. That's just the A4 with the ACOG and A2 handguards. I don't know what it is about the A2, but it's turning out to be my favorite even though I tend to prefer ARs with A1 profile barrels. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 6:44:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MK318]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff: I also prefer the weight, balance and overall handling of the A2 better than the A4. And that's not comparing the A4 in it's full on clone configuration with the KAC rail and buttstock mag pouch. That's just the A4 with the ACOG and A2 handguards. I don't know what it is about the A2, but it's turning out to be my favorite even though I tend to prefer ARs with A1 profile barrels. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By MK318: The ACOG is nice but the stripped down carry handle set up is more handy. The A4 fully kitted out is pretty heavy. The buttsotck mag pouch adds weight but it adds to the balance of the rifle. Makes it feel much better when handling. Owning two A4s set up the same with the only difference being the ACOG, I like the carry handle better. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_6331_jpeg-3034707.JPG The A2 handles even better I've been carrying mine a lot this year I also prefer the weight, balance and overall handling of the A2 better than the A4. And that's not comparing the A4 in it's full on clone configuration with the KAC rail and buttstock mag pouch. That's just the A4 with the ACOG and A2 handguards. I don't know what it is about the A2, but it's turning out to be my favorite even though I tend to prefer ARs with A1 profile barrels. I love the A2, I have three of them currently. It catches a lot of mud for its sights and the longer buttstock and the duckbill grip and maybe it’s because the A2 is what I was first issued but I don’t mind those things. I like my A1, it’s a great rifle but it is almost so light and simple that it feels fragile to me. I never had any exposure to the A1 except for the clone I have. I can see how guys coming from the M14 would feel like the A1 is like a toy. The A4 is easily the most capable with the ability to easily mount optics, lights, lasers, bipods, and VFGs, but it pays for that in terms of weight. The A1, A2, and A3/A4 are like the three little bears. The A2 is in the middle and feels just right to me.  Attached File Attached File |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2023 11:57:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WittyTiger]
[#43]
Guess the M16 gods had an issue with me selling my Colt a4 upper this week. Immediately after I stumbled across a FN surplus clone correct upper in the EE. Seems as if the clones back on! Pictures to come.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 6:54:08 PM EDT
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BTTT
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Posted: 1/13/2024 7:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vehemence: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/317025/0C6B7E41-3539-43D0-A153-20E664532879_jpe-2392276.JPG don't knock it 'til ya try it @Vehemence what color are your KAC panels? They make three colors. Thanks |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:34:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: reccerecon]
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Here’s my work in progress budget clone of the rifle I was issued 21 years ago. I need to eventually swap the Comp M2 for a Comp M, swap for a Surefire 6P and get a PEQ-2. I went through basic with an A2 and remember feeling so cool once I got an A4, it’s still one of my favorite AR configurations.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 3:25:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WittyTiger]
[#47]
Some slow progress on the A4 but here’s what I have cooking.
Saber Defense lower with all colt parts and correct old stock safety FN F stamped surplus upper (No feed ramps) cage code barrel. Good ol’ Grip Pod KAC RAS USMC KAC Micro Better pics to come after I land a sling and RCO A4       |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 3:41:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: I love the A2, I have three of them currently. It catches a lot of mud for its sights and the longer buttstock and the duckbill grip and maybe it’s because the A2 is what I was first issued but I don’t mind those things. I like my A1, it’s a great rifle but it is almost so light and simple that it feels fragile to me. I never had any exposure to the A1 except for the clone I have. I can see how guys coming from the M14 would feel like the A1 is like a toy. The A4 is easily the most capable with the ability to easily mount optics, lights, lasers, bipods, and VFGs, but it pays for that in terms of weight. The A1, A2, and A3/A4 are like the three little bears. The A2 is in the middle and feels just right to me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_6260_jpeg-3035263.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_6414_jpeg-3035264.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: I love the A2, I have three of them currently. It catches a lot of mud for its sights and the longer buttstock and the duckbill grip and maybe it’s because the A2 is what I was first issued but I don’t mind those things. I like my A1, it’s a great rifle but it is almost so light and simple that it feels fragile to me. I never had any exposure to the A1 except for the clone I have. I can see how guys coming from the M14 would feel like the A1 is like a toy. The A4 is easily the most capable with the ability to easily mount optics, lights, lasers, bipods, and VFGs, but it pays for that in terms of weight. The A1, A2, and A3/A4 are like the three little bears. The A2 is in the middle and feels just right to me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_6260_jpeg-3035263.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_6414_jpeg-3035264.JPG You have a grey haired dog I guess I have 3 A2s also. It's just a case of I built one as a boot camp rifle then found parts for an a2 so decided to build another then got an a2 upper for a steal so I decided to build another...while I'm still working on my a4 and a1 project to round of my service rifle collection. Originally Posted By WittyTiger: Some slow progress on the A4 but here’s what I have cooking. Saber Defense lower with all colt parts and correct old stock safety FN F stamped surplus upper (No feed ramps) cage code barrel. Good ol’ Grip Pod KAC RAS USMC KAC Micro Better pics to come after I land a sling and RCO A4 https://i.imgur.com/ioHsmFo.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/xM6n1oY.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/xM6n1oY.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/umjKaWN.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/xjiTj7q.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/iJAI2D3.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/9jPRIDG.jpeg That's gorgeous! @wittytiger Was it a complete rifle or did you piece it together? I have a Sabre defense lower (polymer) but I haven't seen the lowers on the market for a while. Shame they got shut down. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:29:42 AM EDT
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@fadedson
Thanks boss! Pieced it together, found the lower and went from there. Interestingly most pieces were sourced from the EE so it’s also turning into my ARFCOM tribute 
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:24:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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