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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:42:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: grondike]
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Posted: 8/20/2017 10:16:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Solo_]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grondike:
If only... 
Colt M16A4, U.S. Property, "Post Sample", NEW! http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/684753000/684753489/pix220542625.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/684753000/684753489/pix024252069.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/684753000/684753489/pix433452503.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/684753000/684753489/pix009735687.jpg ETA Jesus, just want to share this thought with you: I love the bare look of the A4-A2 so much. Just love it. I am daily tempted to go back to that state, then do it for maybe 2 hours, stare at it, then go back to M5 look with scope 'n' all. 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 11:52:22 AM EDT
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For the people that purchased the separate halves of the P&S M5 from Numrich, do they include all the necessary hardware?
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Posted: 8/20/2017 12:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:
For the people that purchased the separate halves of the P&S M5 from Numrich, do they include all the necessary hardware? Upper half Lower half |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:
For the people that purchased the separate halves of the P&S M5 from Numrich, do they include all the necessary hardware? Upper half Lower half If you mean - Does either rail half include any rail cover panels or the vertical grip, then no it does not. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:37:44 PM EDT
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Just making sure. found it odd they dont sell them together since the kit is out of stock
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Posted: 8/20/2017 2:07:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
If you mean - Does the upper rail half include the screw & clamp-bar assembly, then yes it does. If you mean - Does either rail half include any rail cover panels or the vertical grip, then no it does not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
Originally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:
For the people that purchased the separate halves of the P&S M5 from Numrich, do they include all the necessary hardware? Upper half Lower half If you mean - Does either rail half include any rail cover panels or the vertical grip, then no it does not. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 7:22:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Found these while in the process of correcting prior posts in this thread. Kind of pisses me off seeing how the navy neglects it weapons & training programs:
(right-click on the image & open it in a new tab or window in order to see the original full-sized image) In this first pic - the upper rail is installed improperly and is about to pop completely free of the weapon. Also note the use of the absolutely ancient (pitted) rebuilt M16A1 lower receiver being used: 
(right-click on the image & open it in a new tab or window in order to see the original full-sized image) In this pic, note the completely rusted rear sling mount & upper rail retention screw, as well as the fact that the carry-handle is only half-mounted/mounted too far forward (there isn't even a slot for the front bolt to rest in when the handle is mounted that far forward): 
Just saddens my heart to see these weapons neglected so...
On the plus side (if there is one), I have now fixed/replaced all the photos possible of my prior posts that were broken in this thread since Photobucket decided to go full retard, and thus, I can now get back to completing the Sling & Stock Pouch posts back on page 90. 
FlDiveCop71 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 7:28:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Also Found this old Army A4 training pic which demonstrates the use of an M68 (Aimpoint Comp M2) optic & Matech rear buis on an M16A4:
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:19:21 PM EDT
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BFG Vickers standard issue NSN sling arrived today
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:51:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
Also Found this old Army A4 training pic which demonstrates the use of an M68 (Aimpoint Comp M2) optic & Matech rear buis on an M16A4: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/115687/1000w_q95-285673.JPG 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 9:29:08 PM EDT
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Any good deals on the vickers slings? Or a GI issue 2 point? I have a garand sling and a Magpul sling. I really dont need a third sling for 75 bucks unless you guys say its that awesome
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:13:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lafmedic1]
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KAC rails keep working loose
 and I need some 9 panels it looks like to cover the side front and too . P and S rail from Numrich was brand new condition and only has a very small wobble on bottom . Still waiting on matech sight and stock pouch . Will be swapping to an aero lower soon. Not a bad complete upper for 245 otd from del ton either!
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:16:15 AM EDT
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You mean the KAC covers are sliding? They shouldn't be able to, if the locking tab is snapped in place. You may have to play with it to get it to lock.
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:21:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lafmedic1:
KAC rails keep working loose and I need some 9 panels it looks like to cover the side front and too . P and S rail from Numrich was brand new condition and only has a very small wobble on bottom . Still waiting on matech sight and stock pouch . Will be swapping to an aero lower soon. Not a bad complete upper for 245 otd from del ton either!
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/IMG_3363-289304.JPG You can put a small piece of electrical tape on the inside of the cover. You can also try to gently bend outward the little metal clip. It might not work well on older rail covers. |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 10:25:20 AM EDT
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the tape will keep it in place even if the clip is not locked? And by small you mean a 1 or 2 inch piece in the middle or on the end? Im worried in gunna loose one
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Posted: 8/25/2017 10:30:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lafmedic1:
the tape will keep it in place even if the clip is not locked? And by small you mean a 1 or 2 inch piece in the middle or on the end? Im worried in gunna loose one |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 12:05:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lafmedic1:
KAC rails keep working loose and I need some 9 panels it looks like to cover the side front and too . P and S rail from Numrich was brand new condition and only has a very small wobble on bottom . Still waiting on matech sight and stock pouch . Will be swapping to an aero lower soon. Not a bad complete upper for 245 otd from del ton either!
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/IMG_3363-289304.JPG 
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Posted: 8/25/2017 1:03:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lafmedic1:
KAC rails keep working loose and I need some 9 panels it looks like to cover the side front and top . P and S rail from Numrich was brand new condition and only has a very small wobble on bottom . Still waiting on matech sight and stock pouch . Will be swapping to an aero lower soon. Not a bad complete upper for 245 otd from del ton either!
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So now, a few constructive pointers... Unless the weapon is being stored in an M12 rifle rack, the carry handle should normally be mounted 1 slot forward from what you have pictured (front of the carry handle should be lined up with the front of the receiver). As for the cover panels on the rail, this is what normally comes with the military's KAC M5 rail set:  Attached FileThere are 8 places on the rails where the cover-clips can lock onto the rail (basically the extreme front & back most slots of each side, top, and bottom rail) Covers which are mounted anywhere else, will typically slide around during use (because there are not cutouts for the cover-clips to lock into). You should also be aware that KAC now recommends not using any top rail covers if the weapon is to see extended periods of firing in order to lessen potential overheating issues, as well as to provide easier mounting of top-rail accessories when receiver-mounted optics (Acog/BUIS) are in place. As for slings, there are many choices (see the top of page 90 for a list of the majority of these), though I really can't say enough good things about the BFG NSN Vikers 2-point slings as they truly are outstanding, and are among the more adaptable slings to use with various stock pouches. Hope this helps you, FlDiveCop71
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Posted: 8/25/2017 1:05:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
A1 stock, right? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 1:48:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
A1 stock, right? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 1:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Why is his carry handle 1 slot too far aft? |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 2:57:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
This is usually because they forget to return the carry handle to it's proper position after removing it from an M12 Weapon's rack. (The handle must be moved one slot toward the rear in order for the locking bar to close on the weapon when it is stored) |
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Posted: 8/25/2017 3:10:13 PM EDT
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You know what though, I actually like it in that position. When I use my CCH on a carbine I move it 1 further back like that. It doesn't look as funky as a whole carry handle. But I like the sight picture better. Well, at least on a carbine I do. I don't have an A4 to know if I'd like it for a rifle.
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Posted: 8/25/2017 3:51:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
You know what though, I actually like it in that position. When I use my CCH on a carbine I move it 1 further back like that. It doesn't look as funky as a whole carry handle. But I like the sight picture better. Well, at least on a carbine I do. I don't have an A4 to know if I'd like it for a rifle. 
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Posted: 8/27/2017 8:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
Found these while in the process of correcting prior posts in this thread. Kind of pisses me off seeing how the navy neglects it weapons & training programs: (right-click on the image & open it in a new tab or window in order to see the original full-sized image) In this first pic - the upper rail is installed improperly and is about to pop completely free of the weapon. Also note the use of the absolutely ancient (pitted) rebuilt M16A1 lower receiver being used: https://i.imgur.com/ECUV9aU.jpg (right-click on the image & open it in a new tab or window in order to see the original full-sized image) In this pic, note the completely rusted rear sling mount & upper rail retention screw, as well as the fact that the carry-handle is only half-mounted/mounted too far forward (there isn't even a slot for the front bolt to rest in when the handle is mounted that far forward): https://i.imgur.com/2TudvkS.jpg Just saddens my heart to see these weapons neglected so...
On the plus side (if there is one), I have now fixed/replaced all the photos possible of my prior posts that were broken in this thread since Photobucket decided to go full retard, and thus, I can now get back to completing the Sling & Stock Pouch posts back on page 90.
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Posted: 8/27/2017 9:53:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maleante:
The "pitted" lower you remark on, isn't actually pitted. If you look at the picture, the hammer, trigger, and sear pins, and the buffer tube all have the same coating applied to them that the lower is coated with. Almost looks like some type of rhinoline coating. 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 2:48:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
What!....What!... WWHHHAATT!?......You got rid of your A4!?
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:14:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
You have me confused with someone. I never had one. I have an A2 though and it's great. I do wish I had an A4...... Not sure if I have a good reason though, since I have an A2. But personally I'd like all the rifles, just to have them. A1,2, and 4. CHOP! CHOP! Mister!... Because you KNOW that you'll never be complete until you actually have one! 
On a more serious note... Log out of AR15.com & then Log back in. 
...& welcome to Team. FlDiveCop71
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Posted: 8/28/2017 1:06:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Solo_]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
Hmm... I could have sworn I knew all the A4 players in this thread & that you were among them. I guess all I can really say to that then is: CHOP! CHOP! Mister!... Because you KNOW that you'll never be complete until you actually have one!
On a more serious note... Log out of AR15.com & then Log back in.
...& welcome to Team. FlDiveCop71 He's a classic AR15 guy all the way - hope he's willing to take the plunge one of these days and go A4 as well. He got an original Colt A2 (sporter) and a Colt M4 as well, he's well equipped. See you soon here - hopefully JJ! What you could simply do (I'm thinking out loud) could be for you to just get a Colt A4 upper and go back and forth A2 to A4 thanks to your existing A2 lower. I know your A2 is Colt grey (my favorite) so it would not quite fit in well with the newer black anodize of A4s, but still. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 1:40:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
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What the.... FlDiveCop71..... Seriously.....????? THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, that is awful nice. AMAZING!!!!!!! I keep faking you guys out. SOLODALLAS, my M4gery is actually an RRA. (thanks for the compliment btw and back at you) Not a Colt. I wish it was a 6920. Although I have to say, I think that M4gery is the most accurate AR I've ever owned. Although I've yet to quantify that at 100 yards from the bench. But when I shoot it at closer range it makes tiny groups without even trying. And despite that the front sight is blurry. LOL. I was born in 72, maybe that gets me some points. 
But yes, an A4 would be nice. And yes, I could just do a different upper and slap it on my A2 lower. Another thing is that I keep debating about putting a fixed stock on my recce because it makes it easier to shoot groups from prone or the bench. And I have my Colt A2 stock just sitting there because I put an A1 on my A2. I would just need a rifle extension tube and buffer and spring. I wouldn't mind another A2 buttplate either as I prefer it and put it on my A1 stock on the A2 rifle. So....... I just lurk enough and post enough pics from the internet that I probably deceived you guys. I wish I had an ACOG too...... I think my next optic is going to be a PA micro......
Wrong thread but I figured I need to clarify my AR for you: My Colt A2: 
My Recce: 
My M4gery, although that upper is on a different lower at present: 
Those are my only AR's. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 1:48:10 PM EDT
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JJ, 'it don't matter' what brand we have. You are a classic guy 100% and that's that.
PS Me I am a class '68, so not much older than you. Upward and onward, brothers. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 6:28:16 PM EDT
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Question for you A4 gurus......
How much does a set of KAC rails weigh and how much does the standard handguards weigh? I have a buddy give me s set of PSA regular rifle handguards that I'm debating on attaching a rail too, but they're kind of fatter than my colt ones (on my A2 of course) and I'm not sure I want that. How much do the KAC rails cost too? Would like to mount a light properly. Possibly. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 6:36:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Question for you A4 gurus...... How much does a set of KAC rails weigh and how much does the standard handguards weigh? I have a buddy give me s set of PSA regular rifle handguards that I'm debating on attaching a rail too, but they're kind of fatter than my colt ones (on my A2 of course) and I'm not sure I want that. How much do the KAC rails cost too? Would like to mount a light properly. Possibly. I know money is tight but I'd say 100 percent worth it compared to standard handguards. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 8:25:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Question for you A4 gurus...... How much does a set of KAC rails weigh and how much does the standard handguards weigh? I have a buddy give me s set of PSA regular rifle handguards that I'm debating on attaching a rail too, but they're kind of fatter than my colt ones (on my A2 of course) and I'm not sure I want that. How much do the KAC rails cost too? Would like to mount a light properly. Possibly. |
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Posted: 8/29/2017 9:26:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlDiveCop71]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Question for you A4 gurus... How much does a set of KAC rails weigh and how much does the standard handguards weigh? I have a buddy give me s set of PSA regular rifle handguards that I'm debating on attaching a rail too, but they're kind of fatter than my colt ones (on my A2 of course) and I'm not sure I want that. How much do the KAC rails cost too? Would like to mount a light properly. Possibly.
As for cost, I fairly regularly am able to obtain a complete (new or new-old-stock) standard KAC M5 RAS Mil-pack for right @ $150, with a best-ever obtained price of $75. For the same (new or new-old-stock M5 RAS Mil-Pack) though of P&S brand, my average obtained price has been from $87-$125, though in my opinion - the KAC brand, is a far superior product. Hope this helps you... FlDiveCop71
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Posted: 8/29/2017 11:30:20 PM EDT
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I use my recce without any panels. I prefer less weight.
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Posted: 8/29/2017 11:48:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Solo_]
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Posted: 8/30/2017 9:38:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlDiveCop71:
A set of standard handguards (USGI/thinner/A2-type) weighs in at right @ 7-9oz. A complete KAC M5 rail with vertical fore grip & cover panels weighs in at @ 1 pound 6.4oz., so roughly a pound more than standard guards. However, the extra weight up front does tend to steady out muzzle rise, enabling for faster in-line follow-up shots at the cost of slightly slower lateral target transfer speed (ability to quickly move the muzzle to the left or right). Through regular weapon training & basic exercise, natural increase in upper body strength will help to compensate for this as well as to further improve your follow-up speed & accuracy, as I'm sure most any freshly out-of-boot Marine can attest.
As for cost, I fairly regularly am able to obtain a complete (new or new-old-stock) standard KAC M5 RAS Mil-pack for right @ $150, with a best-ever obtained price of $75. For the same (new or new-old-stock M5 RAS Mil-Pack) though of P&S brand, my average obtained price has been from $87-$125, though in my opinion - the KAC brand, is a far superior product. Hope this helps you... FlDiveCop71 We would have to pinch the fsb and pull/hold the charging handle to the rear untill they were satisfied. Add in the acog and that's another 2lbs helds out at arm's length. |
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Posted: 8/30/2017 7:16:28 PM EDT
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A4 Close up.
One of the things that I like about this particular one - which is my third A4 (sold the previous two) is the texture of the anodizing. Top is Colt (new), bottom was straight from Nodak Spud. Yet, they matched (intentionally or not, unknown) the Colt finish. I mean, it seems to be the same rifle. And the texture is truly velvet like - I had seen it on another Colt of mine (an M4) and I truly love this effect. 
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Posted: 8/30/2017 9:21:04 PM EDT
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I think that's why my A2's action is so smooth. They know how to do the finish smooth.
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Posted: 8/30/2017 9:59:27 PM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 8/30/2017 11:38:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2017 11:40:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC88-93:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66241/M16_loading-294742.jpg why the colored tape on some of the stocks at times? |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 12:00:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoloDallas:
I have a question. why the colored tape on some of the stocks at times? |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 12:12:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC88-93:
They are in Recruit Training, so in many cases it is either Battalion, Platoon, Recruit identification. (thanks) |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 1:01:43 PM EDT
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I cant afford an Acog yet, is it weird to just run the Matec by its self?
Also finally got all the rail covers I needed.
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Posted: 8/31/2017 2:38:54 PM EDT
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Quite frankly, there are days where I like it better with just the backup iron sight. No scope.
I mean, ACOGs are cool - dayum I think I have 5 of them - but I just love the simplicity and lightness of the bare thing. And it works. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 3:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoloDallas:
Quite frankly, there are days where I like it better with just the backup iron sight. No scope. I mean, ACOGs are cool - dayum I think I have 5 of them - but I just love the simplicity and lightness of the bare thing. And it works. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 3:42:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoloDallas:
Quite frankly, there are days where I like it better with just the backup iron sight. No scope. I mean, ACOGs are cool - dayum I think I have 5 of them - but I just love the simplicity and lightness of the bare thing. And it works. But man you get rid of about 7-8 ounces by going from the carry handle to the matech.
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