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djm227
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Posted: 4/24/2007 3:43:08 PM
Im new to the world of ARs, and im not looking to spend a mint on one, but i still want a good one. I want a colt but I cant find one for much under 1000. So that leads me to think bushmaster, but are any Bushmasters under 1000 really that good? If anybody can tell me what the they think the best AR-15 under 1000 (preferably under 900, but im not going to get picky) is then please let me know.
Thanks a lot for the help,
-Dan

p.s. for recreation target shooting and home defense, no hunting
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Posted: 4/24/2007 3:51:09 PM
If you have the time and want to learn some new skills, build your own. For 900 you can have a totally badass AR.

Bushmasters are a bit pricey for what you get, but they are generally good rifles.

Rock River is good too, but I don't like the barrel profiles.

Stag is good as well, but not if you are looking for a *really good* AR. I know I'll get flamed for that one.

DPMS is hit and miss.

Olympic arms, there are good ones, and there are bad ones. And there is bad customer service.

Consider an RRA or Stag lower with a CMMG upper.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 3:56:48 PM
How can you slam Stag when they build most of the other's components???
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Posted: 4/24/2007 3:59:44 PM
you got lots of options

stick w/ the ABCRDS, CMT brands

i'd look into bushy, RRA, and stag myself for the price
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:02:21 PM

Originally Posted By storminnorman:
How can you slam Stag when they build most of the other's components???


That doesn't compute. What do you do with all the factory seconds? Throw a Type II finish on them and ship them as Stags.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:03:53 PM

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By storminnorman:
How can you slam Stag when they build most of the other's components???


That doesn't compute. What do you do with all the factory seconds? Throw a Type II finish on them and ship them as Stags.


That's quite a claim.
Just when I thought I was past being surprised.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:05:03 PM
Buy in TWO PARTS---this avoids the 11% excise tax on complete firearms. Get a complete lower delivered to your FFL dealer (he will charge a transfer fee) and have the complete upper of your choice delivered to your door. When you have both parts, it takes 10 seconds for assembly. Easier than legos.


I suggest you get a lower from Ameetec for $200 and a complete upper from CMMG (for around $550). Your dealer might charge $25 for the transfer. Then, with the $200 or so you saved, buy 10 mags from CProducts (20 rounders and 30 rounders) and all the ammo you can afford.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:06:09 PM
Not MY claim,look into it.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:07:07 PM
[Last Edit: 4/24/2007 4:08:25 PM by 87gn]

Originally Posted By storminnorman:
How can you slam Stag when they build most of the other's components???


The components are good, the QC on their finished rifles are not.

Their barrels (shaw) are average. Their BCGs *as shipped from stag* are not so great.

Uppers/lowers/LPKs/stocks have less bearing on the reliability or accuracy of the rifle than the above two parts.

Have you considered that a Model 1 upper is essentially a Stag upper? Not that model 1 uppers are bad - mostly they are quite good. But they are not a *very good* rifle/upper.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:15:30 PM
Colt uppers have to meet a standard. CMT makes uppers for Colt. Does that mean that all CMT uppers are good enough for Colt? Where do the ones that aren't go?

And the finish thing is easy enough to prove. Just call them.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:23:20 PM
I have 2 and a friend has one and the finish on our C.M.T/Stag's is exellent.(and i'm VERY picky!)
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:29:00 PM
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:43:33 PM
I have a STAG lower and it is flawless. Maybe they just had too many in that run come out perfect so they had to sell them with the STAG name.

Originally Posted By storminnorman:
I have 2 and a friend has one and the finish on our C.M.T/Stag's is exellent.(and i'm VERY picky!)
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:47:43 PM

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Colt uppers have to meet a standard. CMT makes uppers for Colt. Does that mean that all CMT uppers are good enough for Colt? Where do the ones that aren't go?

And the finish thing is easy enough to prove. Just call them.


I think that's an allegation you probably should not make without some proof to back it up.
Just when I thought I was past being surprised.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 4:54:54 PM
Read the tacked threads in the build it section and build your own, you can build a very nice one with the tools for that money and you will know every part of your rifle.

I am working on a build for my son, 20" heavy barrel, t marked flat top upper, free float handguard, 4 rail gas block, vertical grip pod, laser, light, high rings and bushnell scope, engraved double star lower with the $28 trigger job for a little over $700 plus your tools will cost less than $100 leaving you room for magazines and some ammo.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 5:16:34 PM
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I have a Stag and think it's every bit as good as my Colt that I paid considerably more for. That being said, I just use my AR for target shooting not for work or playing wannabe commando.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 5:19:20 PM
The best one for under $1k is the one you build yourself.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 5:21:47 PM
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If you want a complete rifle under 1000, get an Armalite.

Superior quality at a great price.

Or... you can hit the EE, roll your own, and end up with EXACTLY what you want for under 1k... You just have to be patient and choose wisely.



As far as the claim on the Stags go...

Stag=CMT.

CMT=Everyone else.

Claiming that the Stag parts/rifles are 'factory seconds' without incontrovertible evidence is quite a leap in logic.

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Posted: 4/24/2007 5:46:57 PM
I built my RRA from the CAR kit they have offered. All that was needed was the stripped lower. $740 total. :)
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Posted: 4/24/2007 6:38:51 PM
For under $1000 I would go with Bushmaster. They make some really good stuff, and their guys go above and beyond to make you satisfied. My Bushy story goes like this, I needed to get some spare parts for my AR (a CMMG) I contacted bushmaster to see about pricing for these parts. The guy mistakenly thought I owned a bushmaster rifle, and sent me an email asking for my serial # so he could send me the parts. That email got sucked into my spam folder somehow (...AOL ) and I didnt see it for a week. Today I got another email and it asked why i hadnt responded to the other Email and that they would be glad to ship the parts free of charge if I gave them my serial number. I emailed them back, explaining that I didnt own a bushmaster rifle, and I just needed to know pricing so I could order the parts. They sent me an email saying "thanks for your honesty, just give us your mailing address and we will ship the parts free of charge anyway." Now that, boys and girls, is quality customer service, in that they treated someone who isnt even their customer with extreme kindness. That is also why I will be buying my next AR from bushmaster this summer.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 6:57:58 PM
My top three pics are Colt, Bushmaster, and Stag. In your price range Bushmaster, and Stag are the way to go. I have no idea where the poster that slammed Stag gets off . I have a Stag upper on a Bushmaster lower and the fit & finish are flawless. The rifle runs reliable and is accurate. Stag stakes their carrier keys properly, and does all the other little things that a good manufacture does. There is no better value than Stag IMHO, they are right up there with Colt in quality.
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Posted: 4/24/2007 6:58:13 PM
bushmaster, rock river, stag are all top notch, buy what you like and what you can afford. biulding will come next, it's the way to go. you will really learn your rifle inside and out and save cash for mags, ammo, optics, ect.... good luck
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Posted: 4/24/2007 7:02:02 PM
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If you look hard enough you can find a Colt 6520 for right at $1000, only down side to that model is the handle is non-removable. Good luck !!!
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Posted: 4/24/2007 7:39:53 PM
#1 Buy a FORGED lower most any will do ( complete 3 to 400 bucks)
#2 Order a complete LMT M4 upper (around 600 bucks)
#3 Slap them together


I have a Bushmaster/VLTOR lower

and a LMT M4 upper I order from BRAVOCOMPANY

The Carbine is JUST AS GOOD as My COMPLETE LMT DEFENDER 2000 M4

except my Defender has a little more extras
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Posted: 4/24/2007 8:07:19 PM

Originally Posted By FMJ:
#1 Buy a FORGED lower most any will do ( complete 3 to 400 bucks)
#2 Order a complete LMT M4 upper (around 600 bucks)
#3 Slap them together





Agree with most of the above, but...go with an Ameetec complete lower. They are forged and cost $200. My Ameetec is my favorite lower (I have a Bushy and RRA as well).
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Posted: 4/24/2007 8:15:04 PM
My Colt bushmaster LMT

they are all about the same

I can alawys find something

I hear MEGA MACHINES pretty good

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