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Posted: 10/9/2014 7:20:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Advance]
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Had to get out the good camera!
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Posted: 10/9/2014 8:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
Had to get out the good camera! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HM01hXy9eTM/VDcVNV3zd5I/AAAAAAABK7U/LGt30jYmEgY/w1073-h715-no/DSC_0618.JPG 
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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:34:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
Had to get out the good camera! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HM01hXy9eTM/VDcVNV3zd5I/AAAAAAABK7U/LGt30jYmEgY/w1073-h715-no/DSC_0618.JPG Simple is good. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
Had to get out the good camera! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HM01hXy9eTM/VDcVNV3zd5I/AAAAAAABK7U/LGt30jYmEgY/w1073-h715-no/DSC_0618.JPG 
great pic , that one should be in the HQ pic thread |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2014 1:14:06 AM EDT
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I can understand why you would want to reprofile the barrel for the sake of cloneness, but that is a fricking nice carbine. For some reason the fat barrel looks all good on there. And maybe be a bit stiffer too???? If it has an upside?? Although if it's govt' under the handguards (never had a noveske barrel myself) not sure how much of a difference it makes.
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Posted: 10/10/2014 1:21:00 AM EDT
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Paul, it is a sweetie, for sure...5.5 pound rifles are cool, too
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:47:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: txfactor]
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Posted: 10/10/2014 10:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
Had to get out the good camera! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HM01hXy9eTM/VDcVNV3zd5I/AAAAAAABK7U/LGt30jYmEgY/w1840-h1226-no/DSC_0618.JPG That may be one of the coolest AR pics I've ever seen. |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 11:59:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By txfactor: http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/alexrex20/15310284308_07a252a3d1_o.jpg That'll work. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/11/2014 1:18:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Whitebrad25]
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I really want to build an SBR KISS rifle (*DISCLAIMER - mine has to have a sling and a light).
Pic request for 10.5" - 11.5" uppers with the FSB and Magpul handguard, preferably. I'm looking in the thread but I am pressed for time. Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 5:51:10 PM EDT
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Look in the SBR picture thread in the SBR forum .
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/11/2014 6:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
Look in the SBR picture thread in the SBR forum . I am pressed for time today. Was hoping an owner of a similar build would just post their picture. I've been through most all of the pic threads but I don't remember looking for this rifle there, so I'll make another sweep when I have time. |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 6:28:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hipower90]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Whitebrad25:
I am pressed for time today. Was hoping an owner of a similar build would just post their picture. I've been through most all of the pic threads but I don't remember looking for this rifle there, so I'll make another sweep when I have time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Whitebrad25:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Look in the SBR picture thread in the SBR forum . I am pressed for time today. Was hoping an owner of a similar build would just post their picture. I've been through most all of the pic threads but I don't remember looking for this rifle there, so I'll make another sweep when I have time. Aren't we all. Took 12.5 seconds using Google  .
Where those pics came from... https://www.google.com/search?q=ar15+10.5%22+with+magpul+handguard&client=firefox-a&hs=4Gm&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Yq45VMKfI5OzyASsioHYDw&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=611#imgdii=_ |
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Posted: 10/11/2014 6:36:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Whitebrad25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hipower90:
Aren't we all. Took 12.5 seconds using Google .
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/ss243b/Mobile%20Uploads/D6BC5355-470C-41B9-AA0F-906E5E80DC10.jpg Where that pic came from... https://www.google.com/search?q=ar15+10.5%22+with+magpul+handguard&client=firefox-a&hs=4Gm&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Yq45VMKfI5OzyASsioHYDw&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=611#imgdii=_ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hipower90:
Originally Posted By Whitebrad25:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Look in the SBR picture thread in the SBR forum . I am pressed for time today. Was hoping an owner of a similar build would just post their picture. I've been through most all of the pic threads but I don't remember looking for this rifle there, so I'll make another sweep when I have time. Aren't we all. Took 12.5 seconds using Google .
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/ss243b/Mobile%20Uploads/D6BC5355-470C-41B9-AA0F-906E5E80DC10.jpg Where that pic came from... https://www.google.com/search?q=ar15+10.5%22+with+magpul+handguard&client=firefox-a&hs=4Gm&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Yq45VMKfI5OzyASsioHYDw&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=611#imgdii=_ Thanks. I was driving to work and didn't want to chance surfing the internet. Plus, I normally don't have access to the internet at work so I was unsure of the timeframe. Most people are proud to post their rifles so I really didn't see it as being a big deal to ask for a pic request. I was also asking in this thread because I was looking for a KISS styled SBR with the handguard and FSB....not really any of those pictures match it up and I can't ask google questions about the rifles - opposed to users who post that I can ask about reliability, weight, their preference, etc. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/11/2014 6:41:32 PM EDT
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Understand. I continually have to remind myself just how smart Google is. I guess thats just because I'm all old and chit.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 11:48:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GVS:
http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv207/gvsphoto/Misc/Carbine600_edited-1.jpg GVS Stalking through this thread... details on that r629/r630? I'm new to the KISS/IDF/Retro rifles and I really like those... pinned FH? Barrel length? What kind of FH is that even? Thanks 
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Posted: 10/12/2014 4:06:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SUPER_6_1:
Stalking through this thread... details on that r629/r630? I'm new to the KISS/IDF/Retro rifles and I really like those... pinned FH? Barrel length? What kind of FH is that even? Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SUPER_6_1:
Originally Posted By GVS:
http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv207/gvsphoto/Misc/Carbine600_edited-1.jpg GVS Stalking through this thread... details on that r629/r630? I'm new to the KISS/IDF/Retro rifles and I really like those... pinned FH? Barrel length? What kind of FH is that even? Thanks youd do much better IM'ing the user that posted the pic |
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Posted: 10/13/2014 3:16:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SUPER_6_1:
Stalking through this thread... details on that r629/r630? I'm new to the KISS/IDF/Retro rifles and I really like those... pinned FH? Barrel length? What kind of FH is that even? Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SUPER_6_1:
Originally Posted By GVS:
http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv207/gvsphoto/Misc/Carbine600_edited-1.jpg GVS Stalking through this thread... details on that r629/r630? I'm new to the KISS/IDF/Retro rifles and I really like those... pinned FH? Barrel length? What kind of FH is that even? Thanks Not mine but just from the knowledge I've gained in the retro forum those should be 12.76 barrels with pinned "Brick" moderators and grenade rings. Brick is a member here and sells his repro moderators through GB. The original rifles had 11.5" barrels but must be a bit longer to get them to 16" when pinned. Edited for autocorrect. 
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Posted: 10/13/2014 2:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By txfactor: http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/alexrex20/15310284308_07a252a3d1_o.jpg |
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Posted: 10/13/2014 3:47:46 PM EDT
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Looks like a JP to me.
http://www.jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPGS-2FS |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 6:32:42 PM EDT
[#21]
Trying to decide between 11.5" and 12.5"....any opinions guys?
Im not looking for info about velocity/dwell time, etc. More of a actual usage/and look. What looks better to you guys, and which feels better, balance wise? My IDF clone currently is a 14.7 bbl, but I think I'd rather replace it with something shorter(You guys with the IDF SBR's are killing me  ). I have two other rifles with 10.X barrels, so I dont want to go that short for this one, but shorter than 14.7"
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Posted: 10/17/2014 6:36:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
Trying to decide between 11.5" and 12.5"....any opinions guys? Im not looking for info about velocity/dwell time, etc. More of a actual usage/and look. What looks better to you guys, and which feels better, balance wise? My IDF clone currently is a 14.7 bbl, but I think I'd rather replace it with something shorter(You guys with the IDF SBR's are killing me ). I have two other rifles with 10.X barrels, so I dont want to go that short for this one, but shorter than 14.7"I've got both. If I could hit reset I would just go with 12/12.5 |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2014 6:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
Had to get out the good camera! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HM01hXy9eTM/VDcVNV3zd5I/AAAAAAABK7U/LGt30jYmEgY/w1840-h1226-no/DSC_0618.JPG Alright now dammit... This is exactly what I'm going to have to build now for my next build. There is just something about a worn A1 upper with a short carbine barrel and stock... |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 6:47:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
I've got both. If I could hit reset I would just go with 12/12.5 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
Trying to decide between 11.5" and 12.5"....any opinions guys? Im not looking for info about velocity/dwell time, etc. More of a actual usage/and look. What looks better to you guys, and which feels better, balance wise? My IDF clone currently is a 14.7 bbl, but I think I'd rather replace it with something shorter(You guys with the IDF SBR's are killing me ). I have two other rifles with 10.X barrels, so I dont want to go that short for this one, but shorter than 14.7"I've got both. If I could hit reset I would just go with 12/12.5 I'm going 12.5 on my next build. Chopping down a SOCOM barrel. Seems to be a great middle ground. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 6:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
Had to get out the good camera! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HM01hXy9eTM/VDcVNV3zd5I/AAAAAAABK7U/LGt30jYmEgY/w1840-h1226-no/DSC_0618.JPG There's the KISS definition. Nice rifle and nice shot. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 6:54:43 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
I've got both. If I could hit reset I would just go with 12/12.5 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
Trying to decide between 11.5" and 12.5"....any opinions guys? Im not looking for info about velocity/dwell time, etc. More of a actual usage/and look. What looks better to you guys, and which feels better, balance wise? My IDF clone currently is a 14.7 bbl, but I think I'd rather replace it with something shorter(You guys with the IDF SBR's are killing me ). I have two other rifles with 10.X barrels, so I dont want to go that short for this one, but shorter than 14.7"I've got both. If I could hit reset I would just go with 12/12.5 Beautiful, this is what I wanted to hear! I think its you, pfran, and alaska that have "persuaded" me to do this
PIC thread: Im planning to strip this barrel out of the upper and replace with a 12.5" soon. 
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Posted: 10/17/2014 7:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bending_rodriguez: Beautiful, this is what I wanted to hear! I think its you, pfran, and alaska that have "persuaded" me to do this PIC thread: Im planning to strip this barrel out of the upper and replace with a 12.5" soon. http://i61.tinypic.com/257g4m9.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bending_rodriguez: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By bending_rodriguez: Trying to decide between 11.5" and 12.5"....any opinions guys? Im not looking for info about velocity/dwell time, etc. More of a actual usage/and look. What looks better to you guys, and which feels better, balance wise? My IDF clone currently is a 14.7 bbl, but I think I'd rather replace it with something shorter(You guys with the IDF SBR's are killing me ). I have two other rifles with 10.X barrels, so I dont want to go that short for this one, but shorter than 14.7"I've got both. If I could hit reset I would just go with 12/12.5 Beautiful, this is what I wanted to hear! I think its you, pfran, and alaska that have "persuaded" me to do this PIC thread: Im planning to strip this barrel out of the upper and replace with a 12.5" soon. http://i61.tinypic.com/257g4m9.jpg You won't regret it! I took my decked out CQBR and the IDF to the range the other day and could not believe how much weight we've stacked on to the carbine in the last 40 years. Everyone thought the CQBR was cool but they all wanted to handle and shoot the IDF. Build update: I took the Noveske 12.5" N4 FSB off, purchased a 20" McKay M16A1 barrel and had everything shipped to John Thomas (Retro Arms Works). I like the IDF so much I decided to "do it right" ...except I didn't want a 1:12 twist rate so I opted for the 1:7 twist provided by the McKay.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:31:00 PM EDT
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^haha I know what you mean, my favorite thing to do is shoot a few mags out of the suppressed cqbr then pick up the IDF rifle, it's like a feather
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:58:07 PM EDT
[#29]
I had a nice discussion with an old college roommate if I should get a yhm qd mount for the 12".
Decided that it would ruin the overall balance and fun of it, so it shall remain unsuppressed. 
I did order a couple of things that will deviate from the spirit of the IDF carbine and more towards the modern A1 theme, but it's easily changed. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:07:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alaska511]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
You won't regret it! I took my decked out CQBR and the IDF to the range the other day and could not believe how much weight we've stacked on to the carbine in the last 40 years. Everyone thought the CQBR was cool but they all wanted to handle and shoot the IDF. Build update: I took the Noveske 12.5" N4 FSB off, purchased a 20" McKay M16A1 barrel and had everything shipped to John Thomas (Retro Arms Works). I like the IDF so much I decided to "do it right" ...except I didn't want a 1:12 twist rate so I opted for the 1:7 twist provided by the McKay. I did the same thing. Took 4 guys out there, and they all preferred the little old school IDF over the heavy ass CQBR. Of course, I have that little BRT linear on the 12.5 as well, so it is FAR less obnoxious to shoot than that 10.3 with the NT4 hider. ADCO did such a good job on the gas port, and the felt recoil is minimal, even with that rifle only weighing 5.5 pounds. At first I regretted how much I had spent putting it together, and now I am getting ready to Form 1 another Mega lower, and build a 11.5 just like it
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:52:12 PM EDT
[#31]
I'm on my phone right now so I couldn't get his pic, but wildcat posted a pic on either page 76 or 77, can anyone tell me what barrel length that is
It's got some graffiti in the background, and the rifle and pic is a real piece if artwork. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
I'm on my phone right now so I couldn't get his pic, but wildcat posted a pic on either page 76 or 77, can anyone tell me what barrel length that is
It's got some graffiti in the background, and the rifle and pic is a real piece if artwork. Now you know why I am building another in 11.5
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511:
Now you know why I am building another in 11.5 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
I'm on my phone right now so I couldn't get his pic, but wildcat posted a pic on either page 76 or 77, can anyone tell me what barrel length that is
It's got some graffiti in the background, and the rifle and pic is a real piece if artwork. Now you know why I am building another in 11.5 That settles it, Im doing an 11.5"
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:48:34 PM EDT
[#34]
Hopefully someone will start making A1 / C7 uppers again.
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Posted: 10/18/2014 11:09:04 AM EDT
[#35]
11.5" bcm upper on its way....to be stripped down and retrofitted with "old" parts
Just curious guys, what are the "izzy" uppers, and are 11.5" A1 uppers actually issued to the IDF? |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 11:43:47 AM EDT
[#36]
Not exactly IDF, but definitely KISS
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Posted: 10/18/2014 2:06:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
11.5" bcm upper on its way....to be stripped down and retrofitted with "old" parts
Just curious guys, what are the "izzy" uppers, and are 11.5" A1 uppers actually issued to the IDF? someone will be along to correct me, but most of the "short" ones are actually 13-13.5" cut down 20" A1's. IIRC its all dependent on the specific armorer, so you will see 10.5" - 14.5" out there. The beauty of an IDF style carbine, is that most variations have existed as an issue rifle, even if it is a sample of one. |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 4:30:28 PM EDT
[#38]
The short IDF barrels were ~12.6" (13" with muzzle device installed).
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Posted: 10/18/2014 5:45:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
The short IDF barrels were ~12.6" (13" with muzzle device installed). That will be my next build. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2014 8:47:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
Hopefully someone will start making A1 / C7 uppers again. Like these? http://www.dpmsinc.com/A1-Upper-Receiver-Stripped_p_249.html |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 8:56:40 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
Hopefully someone will start making A1 / C7 uppers again. Backordered but great stuff. http://nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 9:10:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42:
The short IDF barrels were ~12.6" (13" with muzzle device installed). Since I'm having a barrel cut down, I should request 12.6"? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 9:15:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/18/2014 9:15:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
someone will be along to correct me, but most of the "short" ones are actually 13-13.5" cut down 20" A1's. IIRC its all dependent on the specific armorer, so you will see 10.5" - 14.5" out there. The beauty of an IDF style carbine, is that most variations have existed as an issue rifle, even if it is a sample of one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By bending_rodriguez:
11.5" bcm upper on its way....to be stripped down and retrofitted with "old" parts
Just curious guys, what are the "izzy" uppers, and are 11.5" A1 uppers actually issued to the IDF? someone will be along to correct me, but most of the "short" ones are actually 13-13.5" cut down 20" A1's. IIRC its all dependent on the specific armorer, so you will see 10.5" - 14.5" out there. The beauty of an IDF style carbine, is that most variations have existed as an issue rifle, even if it is a sample of one. You nailed it. I'm sure there were some armorer specifications, but since they were likely in Hebrew, I wouldn't know them if I saw a page. I would love to buy one of those short 607ish FHs they use BTW. I'll look for pics. A member here sent me some close ups but I don't know what I did with them.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2014 9:31:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XDm525Forty:
Like these? http://www.dpmsinc.com/A1-Upper-Receiver-Stripped_p_249.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XDm525Forty:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Hopefully someone will start making A1 / C7 uppers again. Like these? http://www.dpmsinc.com/A1-Upper-Receiver-Stripped_p_249.html Just got mine today. Better get'm while ya can . (said the BRD kinda guy).
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Posted: 10/18/2014 9:42:02 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hipower90:
Just got mine today. Better get'm while ya can . (said the BRD kinda guy).
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hipower90:
Originally Posted By XDm525Forty:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Hopefully someone will start making A1 / C7 uppers again. Like these? http://www.dpmsinc.com/A1-Upper-Receiver-Stripped_p_249.html Just got mine today. Better get'm while ya can . (said the BRD kinda guy).
Third one down on this page is what I used |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 11:53:05 AM EDT
[#47]
Hi guys,
my KISS will be soon finished... 10.3 barrel with C7 receiver and M4 handguards. I'm looking for a flashlight.. anybody using an Inforce WML mounted at 10-11 o'clock? what mount are you using with the M4 handguards? thanks Frens |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 2:14:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens:
Hi guys, my KISS will be soon finished... 10.3 barrel with C7 receiver and M4 handguards. I'm looking for a flashlight.. anybody using an Inforce WML mounted at 10-11 o'clock? what mount are you using with the M4 handguards? thanks Frens I have a WML and find it to be a good light for the price. Mine is not mounted to my KISS rifle, though. I would opt for a simple tube bodied light combined with a mount from IWC were I to add a light to the standard handguards. The reason being to reduce bulk. I haven't seen any systems that add rails to the handguards, let alone 45 degree rails, that I'm in love with. If you're set on it, you could try the TRM3 from CAA. Some personal modification may reduce unnecessary bulk whist still providing what you need. Or add a rail @ 12 and mount a Thorntail. My $.02... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:17:47 AM EDT
[#49]
put some paint on her
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Posted: 10/23/2014 1:30:24 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By txfactor:
put some paint on her <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pt5MP9" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3936/15402685618_fb58df15ac_b.jpg</a> Looks pretty good. |
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