NEASGNoMercy unfortunately he didnt walk it off. Not sure if getting hollowed out or the CAT around his necked did it.

Ohhh, he leakin!

Pic thread

Going to do another Recce, a 14.5" this time, I already have a Block II, so should I go RIS II again or KAC FF RAS?

FF RAS

By definition, you really can't have a 14.5" Recce, can you?  Recce style, maybe.  Recce is 16" stainless, 1:8 twist, match grade barrel, with a particular heavier profile. Is it not? Did the definition change?

It means he's gonna join us in the Official Mini Recce Thread!!!!

The Recce was born out of 14.5" rifles with glass on them, so personally I consider the 14.5" a "full Recce". What led to the actual Navy Recce, M4's with glass and sometimes a free float rail, is basically how the Block II M4A1 is being used in some cases to do that exact job. So really it was born out of 14.5" guns, the internet favorite 16" Recce with Knight's rail and Lilja barrel had its time, the SPR/Mk12 family took over for a time, and now the SCAR, 416s, and Block II M4A1s are basically doing the Recce/Mk12 SPR things.

IMO based on the history of the programs related to the elusive actual "NSW Recce", 14.5" and 16" fall into the "Recce" category. Rifles like MSGT Horrigan's with a KAC MRE and "Sawman" Sawyer's are modified M4, some of the earlier progenitors of what would become the Recce, the SPR/Mk12, and unofficial Mk12 "Mod H". Hell, another angle of the one SEAL (red hair/beard, pirate ballcap, up in the mountains) with a "true Recce" seems to show that was actually a 14.5" M4 barrel. Basically that leaves the one "conference room" pic actually showing a 16" SS Lilja looking barrel, plus verbal/written anecdotes. Otherwise it seems there were plenty of 14.5" Recce rifles out there before and after the 16" ones this thread was probably originally intended for. But really, the 14.5" belongs here.

Horrigan's rifle, probably a 14.5" with KAC MRE and older Surefire can


Sawman's, basically a 14.5" M4 with Ops 3rd model suppressor, a FF handguard, and some sort of low power scope. (Leupy?)


416 doing Recce things

Dont be that guy.

 
we dont have a "Recce Clone" thread. we have a mk12 and a mk18 clone thread. mk18 is cut throat. mk12 is chainsaw friendly




this is the land o fun in here. we keep it reaaaaaal light in here.

14.5 you say?

Although I was dicking around with this; I'd kind of like to pursue it.  What would be an early low-power scope that'd be appropriate?  Also, I've seen some of the early AR's with scopes running essentially one giant ass scope ring, what was it?

So much win in this picture.... So much win.

Recce with Kac FF Ras

I think you may be talking about the US Optics Single Point Ring. I don't see it in their online store anymore, but a quick google search shows that Lancer is now making what appears to be the same mount.

This is an old iteration of mine. 14.5 m4 barrel


 

What model leupold is that?

2-7x33 VX-R; it's incredibly small and light.  Optics are superb.  Has the LR Duplex firedot (three stacked red dots).

Bitchin!  Love that combo.

And now I have another Recce! It was that easy!" />

Well typically it meant FF.   So.......  You all can fight about that.  The whole reason it stays loose in here is because nobody knows what the true recce spec is, like the other clones.  It's more of a grey area.  

I personally think a non FF recce is crossing the line into non recceness.   It's just an M4gery with a scope on it.  

yes.  but needs a harris.

I like this alot.  I really want a PRI tube for mine.  I hear they are light.  And they look really good.  And probably a bit better to grab than 4 rails.

Keep it loooosey goosey. Old pic of my 14.5".

14.5" huh? I got that. Couldn't hold back any longer switching my DD Lite to a KAC URX 3.1. I'm done until I take off that 4P to turn into a clone upper.

Mod H Bastard by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr

Very nice.

Sweet

Killin me homie

Very nice.  I like seeing someone else put the AAC SPR/M4 to use.

Thanks,  here's a picture of it a little bit later, with the can. Now it's a 16" gun. It's been in the mk12 and mini Recce threads

I've got that grass is greener syndrome when I see the hollands.  But then I googled how much a PRI FF tube might go for.  I don't think I'll be changing.    I should just get used to the fact that it's all expensive.

Not trying to be "that guy" at all.  We do reach some point where an overly loose definition of "recce" starts to lose its meaning and just blends into an SPR with a slightly shorter barrel.  Not sure where that is.  

My attempt at a recce build is not to make an authentic clone.  It has been an effort to be somewhat faithful to what seemed to me to be a defining characteristic:  the concept of 16" stainless match grade barrel with 1:8 twist close to the Lilja/Navy Crane heavier profile and specs.  I certainly don't have the correct rail and have not installed the OPs Inc 12th collar, brake and or AEM5 suppressor.

There are a number of companies that make that profile barrel.  I did seek out the Lilja M4 Navy barrel, which is the exact profile specified by NSWC Crane.  Even then, I learned that Lilja or Crane had Compass Lake make the muzzle profle change for the step for the collar.  My barrel lacks that step, although it is Lilja's mil-spec Navy profile..  If I wanted to get really anal about it, I'd send it to ADCO to make that profile change. I'm probably never going to do that.

My point is that we need not be literal, but somewhere we start just calling a more generic SPR a recce because the barrel is a little shorter.

We can have fun playing with the boundaries, but there must be some boundaries.  Not sure what they are.

Im going to say its more its intent then its individual components. Its a accurized carbine sized ar15 that can be used up close or out to mid range. Whats special about a 14.5 416 with a short dot? What its used for.

My normal coyote gun is waiting for a new barrel. So did some swapping, pulled out some spare parts, busted out the paint to give it a 30sec paint job and Boom! New coyote gun.


It's ain't pretty but it should shoot straight.

That was an ironic series of posts

Indeed.

If we want to say boundries, then 14.5" and 16" with magnified optic are as generic as one could go. I didn't specify free float or variable optics one could consider that the SEAL with an old style M4 and ACOG a progenitor to the concept:



You can be super specific, on the other hand if one so chooses, and pick a specific .Mil config. At the end of the day, the Recce program generally speaking was not the big Crane supported program that the SPR and Mk12 became. It's been reiterated that there were many configs depending on which Team or which guy had it built, and almost none have pics floating around in the public eye. Then, you can look outside just the SEALs and find Army SF were also using rifles that closely fit the same bill, see the various KAC MRE FF rail equipped M4s with low power Leupolds and S&B Short Dots, and the unit-brewed rifles like those Daryl Holland or Sawman Sawyer were seen with. There truly is no "One Standard" from Crane, or across even the SEAL teams.

Reference my post on last page, 14.5" is definitely part of the Recce family. There never was any "one" specification, only that the internet forums spread one specific config corroborated from 1 or 2 low resolution pics, and compounded by some further anecdotes from SEALs verifying that at the LEAST those certain parts were definitely used. So let's look at the "agreed upon" legit Recce rifle pics:



This one quite directly appears to be the Recce that Arfcom and elsewhere consider to be "THE" Recce. Looks like 16" Lilja with carbine gas, 12" Knight's rail, BE Meyers FH, and maybe a Nightforce?

So naturally, when this pic popped up everyone including me figures, that MUST be another 16" Lilja, 12" Knight's rail, BE Meyers Recce just like the table pic:


But, here's another angle of the same gentleman:


Pretty clear that's an M4 profile 14.5" barrel, and the shorter FF RAS as well (10" or 9")

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So, we have the mini-Recce thread for the sub-14.5" (12.5", 13.7", etc) stuff with magnified glass/FF rail.

Recce pic thread here for generic AND clone type builds, 14.5" - 16", magnified glass. Free Float rail mostly unless you're going old school.

SPR pic thread - 18" rifles that either aren't in any way a Mk12 clone, or were "inspired" but share very little with the Mk12, etc. Basically 18" with magnified glass and an FF rail.

Mk12 Clone thread - Self explanatory. Clone or GTFO area.

14.5" ? 16" ?    Who cares?

I've gone down the clone correctness path in this thread before but I think the loose definition of the recce combined with so many rifles fitting the general description weighed against the fact this thread is still less than 300 pages makes it a non issue.  I completely support burning about 30% of the people in the Mk12 thread as heretics but I don't see the need for it in this thread.  I say just post whatever and if enough people tell you to GTFO then you should, but this isn't my thread so nothing I say matters.

I can help with a couple of the pictures.

The second pic was posted by an employee from Nightforce and like you said fits the prototypical description.  16" Lilja barrel, rifle length KAC FF RAS, 2.5-10x32 NF in a NF Uni mount, I think some more info was posted about it Norgen ambi catch if Im not mistaken plus stuff I'm sure I forgot.  

The third pic is probably just an M4, it has a Mid-Length KAC FF RAS and NF 2.5-10x24.  This also fits the description and shows a nice evolutionary step between a standard carbine and one accurized to fit the prototypical Reece role. Some other cool scoped carbines with FF rails from the Somalia/BHD time frame have been posted that show the beginnings of what would become the Reece then Mk12.

Another argument in favor of the 14.5" is what the Reece has become.  There are a few pictures floating around of Navy SEALs with 14.5" HK 416's with NF scopes and bipods, this seems to be the most current 5.56 iteration of the Reece rifle.

I pretty much think lancecriminal said it as well as anyone could say it.  Should be tacked.    It comes up about every 20-30 pages.  And  to you MBlades, there are plenty of pics of 14.5 guns that were accurized in some way and could be considered a Recce.  There's that one of the two SEALs in front of a truck and the guy on the left had the old tubular metal FF tube with an M4 barrel and a scope and it had that big ole laser thing on the bottom.  More BHD era.  And Horrigan's pic, (obviously just posted) on and on.  I think those make a stronger case for a 14.5 recce than 416's in that role.  Not to dis those either though.

Quickly becoming my favorite 5.56 to shoot, probably tied for first for my favorite rifle in my collection. Need to find a way to secure my tapeswitch.

Speaking of: I picked up a rail very similar to that one.



Should help me get by until a real one comes back around.



 

Pick up Silky's chopped one finally? And I wanted to do this one right, in your honor for blessing me with the opportunity

Here is a RECCE I built back in 2008. It still shoots great.

He finally let it go.



And you nailed it. I wouldn't change a thing.





 

 
That thing is so early GWOT it's ridiculous. Love it.


I secured the tape-switch with a Ranger band on my shorty FF RAS.

The coolest of them all IMO.

Definitely one of the coolest rifles in the thread.  Well done.

Velcro strips and zip ties. Tier 1 approved.

Is this rifle an earlier iteration of your rifle? I've had it saved to my computer and drool over it every time I come across it.
If not, both of your rifles are beautiful