So yea, I need barrel specs on this bad boy! Bueller....

It's been a while since I've been on here.  The SWFA is the SS HD 1-6 and is out fricking standing!  I took these out to zero them for the kids, I was able to put 4 rounds (only shot that many for accuracy) into a group less than a quarter at 100 yards.  With a 6x scope, CHF bbl of the SR15E3 Mod1 upper and an SDC trigger my daughter's gun kicks ass!  My son's gun still needs to get an MRDS of some flavor on a 45 offset.  I really like his gun.  I had an almost identical set up to this in 6.8 that I sold a few years ago.  He loves his gun, I got him situated on my Atlas and a rear bag and he started to destroy milk/pop bottles at 100, proud dad moment when your 6 year old can tag jugs all by himself

If he's got the balls to chop a new FF RAS, I've got the balls to buy it from him.



That way, I won't be hated for modifying it any further.



 

Mmmm, that USO tho.. Surprised I don't see more of those on these and SPR builds. Better features (IMO) than the Leupold Mk 4s and NF.

Sack up and train with it.

Just kidding.  To each his own.

So you need to trade one for a 1-4 NXS, right???  



 

What height are your NF rings? I think those are what I'm going to go with for mine.

Ultralight X-High 1.375"

That looks like a more comfortable height than the standard 1.5". At least for me...I like to really tuck in behind the gun.


ETA: Oh, and we need full pics of those three guns.

NF 2.5-10x24  limited run

I called talked to Dave, they are expecting the scopes in Oct according to NF and the deposit is $500.

im interested in the A2/light mount...IM me

Built it last night, put a red dot on it and shot a carbine match today. Love this rifle!

Meh, I think trying to do a "military clone" "recce" thread probably wouldn't go too far.  

By far the biggest problem is that no one can really agree on what the definition should/would be anyways.  Personally, I tend to have a relatively restrictive definition, others have more expansive ones.  

Even if you could agree on a definition; if you went with a more restrictive one, you'd end up with maybe about a dozen pictures, and a couple dozen posters with the desire and money to "clone" those rifles, and then the topic would peter out and slip into the archives.  

If you went with a more expansive definition then it would become a long race to the bottom until it basically became the same thread as this one, with a "concept" and "anything goes."  

You could restrict it to only parts seen in use by the military... but even then, you'd end up with so much mixing and matching and "well I saw this in this picture, and this in this picture" that we'd be back to people building "concept" stuff.  

The other big problem is that SOPMOD, the SPR, etc. are programs, they can be studied and discussed in terms of their history and development.  Unit purchases, individual modifications, etc. are much harder to track, and really it becomes a "he said, she said" scenario, and everyone ends up choosing what they like best anyways and fighting over it.  

You could try a "SOF GWOT Magnified Carbine" thread - but that would become a hybrid of posting random SOF photographs, people trying to identify stuff in them, people trying to find the same obscure parts that were purchased at U.S. CAV circa 2002, and then you'd run into the question of - well... when does an M4A1 Block II qualify in this thread?  When it has an other-than-SOPMOD scope?  

The AFSOC thread can be a good example, too, when you try to do a non-program "clone" thread... too few rules, too many variations, not enough to discuss.  It exists, it won't archive... but it basically gets resurrected once every couple of months with a new picture, little to no discussion, then falls back into the dark recesses until Lancelot decides to bump it with a new photograph he came across.  

~Augee

Ive always labeled Recce rifles as a 16" barrel (CL or SS), with a variable power optic, capable of engaging targets in the close to mid-range spectrum. After that, does it really matter? Its an all around gun, literally perfect for most situations. You can clone all you want, but being able to accurately engage targets and stay in the fight is where it matters.

Who cares if its a Lilja barrel or not, can it shoot out 500+ yards? Can you shoot out to 500+ yards? Is it reliable and consistent? Are you reliable and consistent? If yes, then its a Recce rifle.

Yea, I don't think its necessary to go full "Mk18 Clone Thread" in here.
16" with extended rail and variable low powered optic should do it.

Lets see.....engaged targets @500m today......got a 3-9......ff tube......yep im all recon'd out lol

What about any of that is specific to reconnaissance?  Or have we forgotten what "recce" means?  

So... is an M16A2 a "recce?"  It can shoot out to 500+ yards.  3/4ths of the "yes it's a Recce rifle" criteria listed have to do with what "you" can do with the rifle, and have nothing to do with the rifle... which would be fine... except, you're trying to define what a specific type of rifle is.    

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but it seems to me, a "recce" rifle should be for recce, not "an all around gun, literally perfect for most situations."  That kind of sounds like a "General Purpose" rifle to me, but I guess "GP" Rifle thread isn't as cool as "Recce," huh?      

Everything you've said except for "16" barrel with a variable power optic" is a vague platitude that could refer to just about any basic, standard issue military rifle with a decent set of sights - because they're typically all designed to be "capable of engaging targets in the close to mid-range spectrum" and be an "all around gun...for most situations" that an adequately trained marksman should be "able to accurately engage targets and stay in the fight."  

"Recce rifles" as a concept, detached from their military history and background, are at best a misnomer, and at worst a meaningless, arbitrary category with no reason for existence other than to let people feel cool because they get to use a fun and unusual name.  I feel the same way about "SPR" ("Special Purpose Rifle?" What the fuck is that supposed to mean?  If my rifle's primary purpose is launching golf balls, isn't that a "special purpose rifle?"), but that's neither here nor there.  

No one was talking about changing this thread or turning it into a clone thread, they were talking about starting a new one that you wouldn't've needed to participate in if you didn't want to.

But no, keep thumbing your nose at other people because they happen to be interested in different things than you are.  

~Augee

My first post. My first ar 15  It is  Wyndam Wepondry ar 15.  I put on a Burris Mtac 1x4 scope with a burris reflex red dot on top, a sun optics all in one fore ward grip with light, strobe, and green laser,  a NC Star bipod that mounts to the bayonet lug, with a quick release button. Diamond head rail guard. next I will drop in a new trigger with shorter and lighter pull.,

Aye carumba.

Can't recall if mini-recces are accepted here or not.



CMMG Lower
BCM ELW 14.5" upper w/13" KMR
Rustoleum flat camo tan
Rustoleum flat camo earth
Laundry bag from walmart

I give it a 10/10 whether they give you a pass or not.

I usually hate dickmod guns, but yours is clean as fuck. I dig the shit out of your paint too.

Thanks for the compliments bro.  I know this is the internet after all, but a guy always like hearin compliments on his gun.  

I actually have both of my M4A1 clones painted in the same brand and colors you used. Your paint looks better than mine, I just copied a SEAL's paint job with mine.

No problem on the compliments brotha, keep on keepin' on with that bad mammajamma mini recce.

It is a fine looking carbine.  I always thought those saddle things looked cheap, but they're growing on me.  Plus I think I actually like the way it makes a waffle stock look.  I like them when shouldering, but they're just sort of goofy looking to me.  I mean what the heck is the point of the waffle stuff anyways?  Maybe rigidity.  But anyways....  it's funny how you left part of the BCM unpainted.  

Yours is super nice too SWM, but that's a given.  

SWM, do you do anything to your pictures to get that high contrast look? They always look great.

They told me I should put this here on the SPR picture thread , so here it is I guess its a REECE type?

I think this is the first time I've seen the SPR-EER mount other than mine.   Cool.  

I fool with the lighting in FastStone to make 'em not look as "flat".



 

So I came across this bad boy on service_rifle_clones page on Instagram. Custom chopped urx to expose the Unicorn seaman of a kac fsgb. Lilja barrel contoured for Ops collar and looks like topped with NXS glass." />

Thanks.  I intentionally taped over the BCM to leave it exposed.  

The stock saddle enhances my cheek weld IMMENSELY.  The OEM waffle stock that came with the lower simply did not provide for any repeatable cheek weld whatsoever.  So, for $20, I improved my cheek weld and salvaged that stock.  Otherwise, I'd have to 86 it for something else.   Every so often I think of swapping it out but keep coming back to how comfortable it is and how it simply just "works".

Damn nice find. The KAC FSGB I found for my SAM-R just so happened to have its bayo lug trimmed down to fit inside a custom cut URX but I never got to see it in its full config. I wish I could see more pics of this one to see if they had to alter the gb or if they made cuts in the rail to fit around it. Inquiring minds need to know

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This is a friend of mines gun, he purchased it from our store. That pic originated from our stores Instagram page. I'll find some more photos of it

Here's another picture of that gun (on the right)

If any of you guys are looking for top notch glass, I just put my NF 1-4/LT-104 setup in the EE.  

SOOOOO SICK!!!

 
Solid trio right there. Always been a fan of the paint on the middle one.

Thanks, the one in the middle is mine

The owner of the Recce we've been talking about shot that gun at the SPR/DMR match last weekend. Gun shot great for him, he made his hits out to 630 yards. Here's a couple more pictures.

Niiiiiice.   Too much fun!

You know what ammo he was using?

 
Not sure which I like more - the Mod1s or that short-brimmed boonie.

Almost sold this thing. That would have been dumb...

New Glasses ordered today, Not sure exactly where I want this optically to go anymore.  Have a 1-6 and a 4-12 on the way,  There's allways a rifle in need of new glasses around this place ....

You appear to be in 7.62 or > country.



 

308 works good out there too...

 
That last picture is phenomenal and really makes me jealous. Nice rig too.

Paint blends real good too.

Hey new-arguy, do you remember what base color tan you used for your rifle?