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Posted: 2/12/2017 11:20:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
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Ok, I'm trying to nail down a barrel length for the chopped recce. Please excuse the crude method...I'm TAD right now and have limited resources.
I measured a Douglas-barreled Mk12 upper with a known barrel length of 17.9" The measurement from crown to rail is approximately 5.5". 
I then measured the chopped Rock Creek barrel from crown to rail and got approximately 2.6". 
17.9 - 5.5 = 12.4" 12.4 + 2.6 = 15" So, I'm going to say that the chopped Rock Creek is approximately 15". 
Here's a shot of the collar. Barrel OD is .700. 
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Posted: 2/12/2017 12:10:39 PM EDT
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Thats is perfect, thanks for the info.
Have one more question. See your running what looks like nightforce rings on the chopped recce, can i ask what height and can a knights 600 rear sight fit under the scope? Again thanks for the info! |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 12:15:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kirbykid25:
Thats is perfect, thanks for the info. Have one more question. See your running what looks like nightforce rings on the chopped recce, can i ask what height and can a knights 600 rear sight fit under the scope? Again thanks for the info! A110 Ultralight 1.375" And yes, the KAC sight will fit. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 12:30:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Great_Balls_of_Fire]
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Yeah, I need to chop mine. I was under the impression it was a 16" barrel given the sheer lack of photos and info on these things.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 12:50:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Ok, I'm trying to nail down a barrel length for the chopped recce. Please excuse the crude method...I'm TAD right now and have limited resources. I measured a Douglas-barreled Mk12 upper with a known barrel length of 17.9" The measurement from crown to rail is approximately 5.5". I then measured the chopped Rock Creek barrel from crown to rail and got approximately 2.6". 17.9 - 5.5 = 12.4" 12.4 + 2.6 = 15" So, I'm going to say that the chopped Rock Creek is approximately 15". Here's a shot of the collar. Barrel OD is .700. Bro that thing is amazing. Here's where I'm currently at... 1. I want a short recce - something good for both CQB and long(er) range, say 0-500m 2. This will be based on a 12.5" mid-length with Mk12 FF RAS, which I will chop the first few notches off 3. As much as I love the AEM5/12th, it's just too heavy for a carbine can, so it's time to pony up for an NT4 4. As much as I want a x24mm NF, for the same money or less, I can scoop up the new 1-8x34mm FFP Trijicon Accupoint, so not clone-correct 5. Rounding this build out will be a modified PRI Holland recce rail and a set of NF medium rings Here's where I'm torn: I can build exactly what you have while I save and wait for the NT4 but that means modifying the barrel twice instead of building it once. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 12:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Yeah, I need to chop mine. I was under the impression it was a 16" barrel given the sheer lack of photos and info on these things. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2148/32706780372_6fde2ec0de_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2314/32706768012_0016f48e29_k.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Yeah, I need to chop mine. I was under the impression it was a 16" barrel given the sheer lack of photos and info on these things. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2148/32706780372_6fde2ec0de_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2314/32706768012_0016f48e29_k.jpg Outstanding....looks great, man. Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Ok, I'm trying to nail down a barrel length for the chopped recce. Please excuse the crude method...I'm TAD right now and have limited resources. I measured a Douglas-barreled Mk12 upper with a known barrel length of 17.9" The measurement from crown to rail is approximately 5.5". I then measured the chopped Rock Creek barrel from crown to rail and got approximately 2.6". 17.9 - 5.5 = 12.4" 12.4 + 2.6 = 15" So, I'm going to say that the chopped Rock Creek is approximately 15". Here's a shot of the collar. Barrel OD is .700. Bro that thing is amazing. Here's where I'm currently at... 1. I want a short recce - something good for both CQB and long(er) range, say 0-500m 2. This will be based on a 12.5" mid-length with Mk12 FF RAS, which I will chop the first few notches off 3. As much as I love the AEM5/12th, it's just too heavy for a carbine can, so it's time to pony up for an NT4 4. As much as I want a x24mm NF, for the same money or less, I can scoop up the new 1-8x34mm FFP Trijicon Accupoint, so not clone-correct 5. Rounding this build out will be a modified PRI Holland recce rail and a set of NF medium rings Here's where I'm torn: I can build exactly what you have while I save and wait for the NT4 but that means modifying the barrel twice instead of building it once. Thoughts? I'm not a huge fan of the Accupoints. If it were me, I'd snag a used NF 2.5-10x32 for around $900-950. Other than that, that shit sounds sweet. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 12:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Bro that thing is amazing. Here's where I'm currently at... 1. I want a short recce - something good for both CQB and long(er) range, say 0-500m 2. This will be based on a 12.5" mid-length with Mk12 FF RAS, which I will chop the first few notches off 3. As much as I love the AEM5/12th, it's just too heavy for a carbine can, so it's time to pony up for an NT4 4. As much as I want a x24mm NF, for the same money or less, I can scoop up the new 1-8x34mm FFP Trijicon Accupoint, so not clone-correct 5. Rounding this build out will be a modified PRI Holland recce rail and a set of NF medium rings Here's where I'm torn: I can build exactly what you have while I save and wait for the NT4 but that means modifying the barrel twice instead of building it once. Thoughts? Any reason for the pri reece rail over an arms 38 s-ex or something similar? No need for modification in that case. Will the nt4 be flush with the rail? Trying to imagine this build in my head... Sounds incredibly cool 
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Posted: 2/12/2017 1:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
I'm not a huge fan of the Accupoints. If it were me, I'd snag a used NF 2.5-10x32 for around $900-950. Other than that, that shit sounds sweet. Apologies; Accupower not Accupoint.  New for 2017: Trijicon AccuPower 1-8x28mm LED |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 1:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Any reason for the pri reece rail over an arms 38 s-ex or something similar? No need for modification in that case. Will the nt4 be flush with the rail? Trying to imagine this build in my head... Sounds incredibly cool I had the old ARMS S-EX SWAN on my Mk12 and liked it but I'm not wild about the #40L rear sight; also means I'd have to pick up another 99051 and I'm honestly over BUISs. I just like the look of the PRIs, especially on the Holland, and they're priced right and PRI has ample stock; no parts hunting. Yes, the can would snug up similar exactly like a Mk18 CQBR. So doing some rough math off my Mk12, the handguard is 12 1/4" long. By chopping the first notch and the low space off the front, it should give me the exact clearance needed for the muzzle threads to be even. Add a few shims or crush washer and I'm there. Only problem is with chopping a FF RAS; kinda sucks to cut one and you'd lose the ability for the rail panels to lock in when reversing the clips but I run mine all the way back anyways. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 1:41:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: aaron580]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I had the old ARMS S-EX SWAN on my Mk12 and liked it but I'm not wild about the #40L rear sight; also means I'd have to pick up another 99051 and I'm honestly over BUISs. I just like the look of the PRIs, especially on the Holland, and they're priced right and PRI has ample stock; no parts hunting. Yes, the can would snug up similar exactly like a Mk18 CQBR. So doing some rough math off my Mk12, the handguard is 12 1/4" long. By chopping the first notch and the low space off the front, it should give me the exact clearance needed for the muzzle threads to be even. Add a few shims or crush washer and I'm there. Only problem is with chopping a FF RAS; kinda sucks to cut one and you'd lose the ability for the rail panels to lock in when reversing the clips but I run mine all the way back anyways. Gotcha, that makes sense. I didnt even think about not having a front sight. It would be nothing to renotch the rail for the clips to lock in the end with a dremel cut wheel and milling bit, would take 10 minutes max. Cant wait to see some action, this sounds kinda like that 12.5 mod 0/h thing that one guy has with the aem5 hidden halfway under the handguard. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 1:41:36 PM EDT
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USN and GBOF those stick's are amazing. Nicely done.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 1:51:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Ok, I'm trying to nail down a barrel length for the chopped recce. Please excuse the crude method...I'm TAD right now and have limited resources. I measured a Douglas-barreled Mk12 upper with a known barrel length of 17.9" The measurement from crown to rail is approximately 5.5". I then measured the chopped Rock Creek barrel from crown to rail and got approximately 2.6". 17.9 - 5.5 = 12.4" 12.4 + 2.6 = 15" So, I'm going to say that the chopped Rock Creek is approximately 15". Here's a shot of the collar. Barrel OD is .700. Most excellent. Thanks for the info. I'm still waiting on my AEM5 to clear and may consider doing something similar with my Mod 1 styled recce. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 4:36:40 PM EDT
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Swapped over my new KAC lower to the Mod 1 recce.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 5:05:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider:
Swapped over my new KAC lower to the Mod 1 recce. http://i.imgur.com/FYpIUJ4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hBYZxGA.jpg It's chop-chop time for that rig. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 5:41:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider:
Swapped over my new KAC lower to the Mod 1 recce. http://i.imgur.com/FYpIUJ4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hBYZxGA.jpg Very nice. The Trek is a sweet little can. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 6:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Outstanding....looks great, man. I'm not a huge fan of the Accupoints. If it were me, I'd snag a used NF 2.5-10x32 for around $900-950. Other than that, that shit sounds sweet. Right back at ya - nice rig. Gonna get the upper to Adco and let them do their thing. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 7:29:24 PM EDT
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Been crushing on Chenault's medium RAS build from a while back, and JJREA's has always been a fav.
So, here's my new recce inspired. It's pretty humble since I've spent all my pennies on rare rails this year. But it's a start in the right direction. Tried to keep it light as I hope to take it hunting one day so it's probably going to lose the bipod except for pics. 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:32:59 AM EDT
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RTUtah as aaron580 said it doesn't take much to add the notch for the covers. I have done it with a file. I don't know how much the NT4 weights. I have a M4QD which I believe has a additional baffle over the NT4. My OPS INC 12th model is lighter than my M4QD. I bought it for a M4 but find it too heavy. I do use it on a MK18. The OPS INC balances better.SJR556.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 8:21:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SJR556:
RTUtah as aaron580 said it doesn't take much to add the notch for the covers. I have done it with a file. I don't know how much the NT4 weights. I have a M4QD which I believe has a additional baffle over the NT4. My OPS INC 12th model is lighter than my M4QD. I bought it for a M4 but find it too heavy. I do use it on a MK18. The OPS INC balances better.SJR556. Yeah notching it would be a snap. But I'm confused about your M4QD; isn't that the NT4 QDSS? It looks identical. 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 8:22:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blackhawk400:
Been crushing on Chenault's medium RAS build from a while back, and JJREA's has always been a fav. So, here's my new recce inspired. It's pretty humble since I've spent all my pennies on rare rails this year. But it's a start in the right direction. Tried to keep it light as I hope to take it hunting one day so it's probably going to lose the bipod except for pics. I terribly regret getting rid of my medium RAS. 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 8:37:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I terribly regret getting rid of my medium RAS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By blackhawk400:
Been crushing on Chenault's medium RAS build from a while back, and JJREA's has always been a fav. So, here's my new recce inspired. It's pretty humble since I've spent all my pennies on rare rails this year. But it's a start in the right direction. Tried to keep it light as I hope to take it hunting one day so it's probably going to lose the bipod except for pics. I terribly regret getting rid of my medium RAS. Me I too, someone offered me one recently for $700 but that was outside my ballpark Blackhawk that's looking great im jealous for sure |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 8:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I terribly regret getting rid of my medium RAS. Somewhere out there, there are MREs and and other various length FF RAS just sitting idle on in a build or in a parts bin. The owner doesn't ARFCOM and unbeknownst to him he is sitting on a gold mine. One can dream about locating that "barn find"... [
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Posted: 2/13/2017 8:48:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
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The medium can be attained by chopping a long, but even still, I'd hate to chop one.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 9:02:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Yeah, I need to chop mine. I was under the impression it was a 16" barrel given the sheer lack of photos and info on these things. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2148/32706780372_6fde2ec0de_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2314/32706768012_0016f48e29_k.jpg Man that's hot. I still think that the one in the photo is a 16". Did I miss something that shows that it isnt |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 9:53:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
The medium can be attained by chopping a long, but even still, I'd hate to chop one. I've done plenty of drastic and questionable things but I'll hold out for the real deal. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 10:20:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Chop that shit. Seriously, though...GBOF, nice rifle! Paint looks awesome. is that a sawed off double barrel on his back? |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 11:09:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pennsylvaniaboy:
is that a sawed off double barrel on his back? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pennsylvaniaboy:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Chop that shit. Seriously, though...GBOF, nice rifle! Paint looks awesome. is that a sawed off double barrel on his back? 870 |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 11:36:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
Man that's hot. I still think that the one in the photo is a 16". Did I miss something that shows that it isnt The more I look at it, the more I believe that it's chopped. Here's another example. 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:53:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
The more I look at it, the more I believe that it's chopped. Here's another example. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/BurtSaun/USN%20recce%2059_zpsxtviifae.png Sigh. This page is going to cost me money |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:41:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
Sigh. This page is going to cost me money
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Posted: 2/13/2017 3:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Yeah notching it would be a snap. But I'm confused about your M4QD; isn't that the NT4 QDSS? It looks identical. My understanding is the M4QD has 5 baffles and the NT4 has 4.During one of the government contracts the M4QD was too heavy.The sound reduction requirement was also reduced.KAC was able to remove 1 baffle to meet the weight requirement and stay within the sound reduction. They also opened up the bore diameter to reduce the pressure when using the shorter MK 18 barrel.SJR556 |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 4:29:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cjwwd2]
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Glad I scooped up a medium FF RAS last month. Might make this build much cheaper. RTUtah, I see the gov't profiled BA barrel you mentioned. I'd love this upper to have a stainless steel barrel though.
And yeah, those 1-8 Accupowers look awesome, I can't wait to get one. Lastly, speaking of rare rails, I know a guy who figured out a rifle he bought last year or so has a DD RIS GL/SSC rail on it 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 4:50:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2017 5:08:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chenault]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
You might want to change your sig, too - uses a rifle-length FF RAS There's more than one type of recce, I've had the 16" recce for a couple of years minus the nightforce. I have 3 rifle lengths but I sold mh mid length a ways back to fund my mre  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 6:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SJR556:
My understanding is the M4QD has 5 baffles and the NT4 has 4.During one of the government contracts the M4QD was too heavy.The sound reduction requirement was also reduced.KAC was able to remove 1 baffle to meet the weight requirement and stay within the sound reduction. They also opened up the bore diameter to reduce the pressure when using the shorter MK 18 barrel.SJR556 I honestly did not know that. 
Also, instead of hacking up a perfectly good long FF RAS, I might cut the barrel down to right where the rail ends. We'll see. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 6:57:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Turtlesniper]
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Rtutah u know i dont care fore those wanabe mk12s with quad rails but dont make me cut up your kac handguard when i chop your barrel
 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 7:47:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Turtlesniper]
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Posted: 2/13/2017 10:52:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2017 3:26:21 PM EDT
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Chopped or nah?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 4:37:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
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I say chopped. Cool pic. Never seen that one.
It's kinda funny, AP, Variable, and Eothing all represented. Why does that AP look so long? Maybe it's got the caps on it. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 4:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Chopped or nah? http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/christhesecond/5F55523C-34A7-4E87-9BAA-946C694AD81D_zpssrcbamrs.jpg Looks like the suppressor butts right up to the rail when I zoom in on it. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Looks like the suppressor butts right up to the rail when I zoom in on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Chopped or nah? http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/christhesecond/5F55523C-34A7-4E87-9BAA-946C694AD81D_zpssrcbamrs.jpg Looks like the suppressor butts right up to the rail when I zoom in on it. You're asking if you should chop the rail or shorten your barrel?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 8:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blackhawk400:
Been crushing on Chenault's medium RAS build from a while back, and JJREA's has always been a fav. So, here's my new recce inspired. It's pretty humble since I've spent all my pennies on rare rails this year. But it's a start in the right direction. Tried to keep it light as I hope to take it hunting one day so it's probably going to lose the bipod except for pics. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 9:14:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheGreatDanton]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
Chopped or nah? http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/christhesecond/5F55523C-34A7-4E87-9BAA-946C694AD81D_zpssrcbamrs.jpg Fairly certain thats chopped. ETA- I remember this being discussed somewhere on arfcom |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 9:49:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Turtlesniper:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/402972/image-146149.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/402972/image-146689.jpg Sick setup, takes away from the monotony of this thread. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 9:57:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By matticuski:
Sick setup, takes away from the monotony of this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By matticuski:
Originally Posted By Turtlesniper:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/402972/image-146149.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/402972/image-146689.jpg Sick setup, takes away from the monotony of this thread. Definitely a classy blaster. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:54:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Turtlesniper]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By matticuski:
Sick setup, takes away from the monotony of this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By matticuski:
Originally Posted By Turtlesniper:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/402972/image-146149.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/402972/image-146689.jpg Sick setup, takes away from the monotony of this thread. Doesnt shoot to bad either Lw50 midlength cut to 15 but i threaded and crowned it to look like a 14.5 10 shot group 100yrds imi razor core 77 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:10:33 AM EDT
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How kosher is a x32 NF on a Recce? or is that going into the "SPRECCE" area?
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:18:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001:
How kosher is a x32 NF on a Recce? or is that going into the "SPRECCE" area? 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By eMc9001:
How kosher is a x32 NF on a Recce? or is that going into the "SPRECCE" area? That's a really smart-looking rig, minus the floating PEQ. Always wondered if they were trolling us by doing that shit, lol. 
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