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Waynegro
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:04:09 PM
I have been thinking hard about getting a Springfield M1A Scout or SOCOM. What advantages do they have over a AR15? I already have a Decked out Bushy AR with all the nasty goodies. Is a M1A going to give me much more accuracy for distance shots vs my AR (16in barrel)? What about durability? ect...

Can you guys shoot me straight on these rifles.

And yes I did a search and checked out the M1A forum.

M11293
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:06:15 PM
The M1A, if I am correct, will not be as accurate as an AR.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:07:18 PM
M1A/M14:

Bigger bullet
More ammo choices(Match)
Decent accuracy
Big Aftermarket support.


AR10

Same as M14
Same Ammo Choices
More accuracy
Lots of aftermarket.

Just depending what your after, comparing M1a/M14 to an AR15 is kind of apples oranges. Comparing M14's to FAL, G3 and other battle rifles may be a better start.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:10:25 PM
And did I mention weight???
Waynegro
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:13:42 PM
Thanks for the comments.

I kinda figured it would be apples to oranges. I was thinking more in the line of an overall battle rifle one vs another. Advantages vs drawbacks.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:16:48 PM
If you already have an AR15 I'd go ahead and get a m1a also. But thats just me.

I'd like to have one just to have one. Plus if you hunt you could use it for anything. Bear or whatever.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:19:42 PM

Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
If you already have an AR15 I'd go ahead and get a m1a also. But thats just me.

I'd like to have one just to have one. Plus if you hunt you could use it for anything. Bear or whatever.



I would get one. They are pretty sweet.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:24:44 PM
Apples and oranges. Buy both.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:33:41 PM
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My gripe about the M1A SOCOM is we can't use any GI or after market flash supprerssor on it, the supplied brake is a one piece POS intergrated with the front sight. As a rule I hate brakes, but more than that, NONE of muzzle device and front sight work with it. I was on the phone with Ron Smith, he had lamented the same sentiment (actually it was his gripe, I knew nothing about the shortcomings of the M1A SOCOM)
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:36:08 PM
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Apples to oranges +1

You must consider your uses, then figure out what round suits your needs best. Then you can compare rifles that accept the round. The current competition for the M1A is the US made FAL, or an AR-10 (and some could argue an apples to oranges comparison there, but a comparison btw an M1A & an AR-10 is a far better matchup than an M1A & an AR-15)

Neither rifle is mil-spec, but you can get a closer version with the AR platform than the M1 Platform. If you can afford both eventually I suggest you do that. The AR is easier to customize and add more shit to, including change of calibur and then there is the cost of ammunition to figure. If you are a modern battle rifle enthusiast you should have a platform for .223/5.56 (AR-15 no competition), .308/762x51 (FAL, AR-10, M1A) and 7.62x39 (AK variant).

So think of the needs of your first rifle based on the ammo (and don't overlook shooting cost if you're into recreation/practice) and go from there.

EDIT: add to Duffy's post that SA is very slow to accomidate the AWB expitation and in addition to not offering a flash suppressor, they don't offer a bayonet lug either. Marginal point but it irks me nevertheless, and when I part with $900+ on hardware I don't like to be irked at all.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:36:55 PM
Which is more accurate, Fal or M1A?
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:39:40 PM

Originally Posted By M11293:
Which is more accurate, Fal or M1A?



IMHO it will depend on who built the rifle. Out of the box I'd say M1A, but there's a billion FALs out there. Some are garbage and some are unbelievable shooters.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 9:42:59 PM
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Originally Posted By pulpsmack:

Originally Posted By M11293:
Which is more accurate, Fal or M1A?



IMHO it will depend on who built the rifle. Out of the box I'd say M1A, but there's a billion FALs out there. Some are garbage and some are unbelievable shooters.



Consider a DSA, Springfield M1A and accuracy?
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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:01:40 PM
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The M1A is deffinatly going to have much more stoping power at greater ranges, 168gr commercial compared to 80gr handload that has to be shot one at a time cause it's too big to fit in the mag. National matches are being won with AR's but anything greater than 600yds i would like a bigger bullet My 2 cents
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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:04:44 PM
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FAL all the way!
More options, more parts availability(cheaper too), easier to clean/repair, and 5 DOLLAR MAGS!
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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:15:21 PM
MIA is a very reliable rifle. we just got the scout/squad. not to havy. seems like it could take a beating,

my vote for the SA M1A
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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:16:36 PM

Originally Posted By buddysblackrifle:
MIA is a very reliable rifle. we just got the scout/squad. not to havy. seems like it could take a beating,

my vote for the SA M1A



I have heard the Springfield M1As aren't as good as they used to be. Someone mentioned using cast receivers?

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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:22:20 PM

Originally Posted By M11293:


I have heard the Springfield M1As aren't as good as they used to be. Someone mentioned using cast receivers?





The M1A's from SA always used caste receivers. This is the Semi auto version of the M14 they made for the military.


They are both just so different.

I wouldnt use one of them for CQB, just like I would not use the other to hunt deer.

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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:31:02 PM

Originally Posted By M11293:

Originally Posted By buddysblackrifle:
MIA is a very reliable rifle. we just got the scout/squad. not to havy. seems like it could take a beating,

my vote for the SA M1A



I have heard the Springfield M1As aren't as good as they used to be. Someone mentioned using cast receivers?




i havent herd that. i thought they were still really great.

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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:43:20 PM
A review that I read on the short SOCOM rifle indicated only moderate accuracy, 3-4 inches at 100 yards. With the 16 inch barrel the 150 grain bullet is producing 2300 FPS or so. How much more effective would this be than a 125 grain bullet doing 2200 FPS out of a 16 inch kalishnikov pattern rifle? Both would shoot about the same 3-4 inches at 100, wouldn't they? I fail to see the usefulness of the SOCOM, yes it is short, but the muzzle blast would be extreme, down range energy is very much reduced and accuracy is in my mind poor. Finally it has a rust prone non chrome lined barrel. Would you want to shoot mild steel surplus bullets through it or would you have to stick with commercial production "hunting" ammunition at $12.00 or so a box of 20. I have handled this gun on many occasions and liked the way it shouldered and the quickness of pointing, but a short excersise in factual analysis kept me from buying it.
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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:49:23 PM
nope. the quality has gone down as the surplus parts have run out from everything i've read.

my buddy's made in the 80s or 90s is no great shooter either.

now that you can make em evil, i can't imagine not getting a dsa .308
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Posted: 12/20/2004 10:51:38 PM
big +1 jimmy!
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Posted: 12/21/2004 12:00:44 AM
The SA rifles are over priced.
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Posted: 12/21/2004 12:01:33 AM
Even though M1As have always been cast receivers late 80s early 90s alot were assembled with GI parts and receivers modified to take M14 bolts.These are great becuase they are already made to accept the better GI parts.I have an early model that has been done with GI parts so seentialy its just a springfield receiver.
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Posted: 12/21/2004 6:51:25 AM
the Sprinfield of today is not the one who made the M14.

USGI bolts always had to be fitted on the M1A.

if I was to buy another m1a I would change the Bolt to USGI and the Extractor. rest of the parts you can soot till it breaks. If you dont have enought to swap bolts. def change the extractor over to usgi.

Scom is nice but still requires the 3 hand mag reload.

There is more than Springfield out there that can build an M14 semi version. Mags for the M14 can be gotten for 19 or under. those ammoman mags work great.

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Posted: 12/21/2004 7:32:07 AM

Originally Posted By AK_Mike:
Apples and oranges. Buy both.

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