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4/25/2017 7:42:44 PM
Posted: 7/4/2004 6:27:15 PM EDT
I am looking at getting my first AR. i am looking at bushmaster and dpms. which do you prefer and why.

s.
Link Posted: 7/4/2004 6:55:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 3:55:29 AM EDT by M11293]
I have a DPMS and I love it. 24" Stainless HBAR, High Riser Rails for better eye, neck, and head comfort. It is very very very accurate, just need a match trigger for her though .

If you are getting the DPMS make sure you pay the extra $40 dollars for the chrome lined bore/chamber. Bushmaster already has this on almost all their rifles. Bushmaster are great rifles, I am planning on buying one of their rifles in the next 6 months or so. Very reliable. I would buy a Bushmaster lower and get a M4 upper from CMMG which, is Here. I would get This or This one in pre or post ban. Keep in mind that you will have to wait to Sept. if you get the pre to put it on your lower.

If you do the upper and lower that I suggested you will have a good mix of both the companies and trust me CMMG offers awesome uppers.

Both Bushmaster and DPMS are good rifles, most will lean towards Bushamster because of their reputation. DPMS makes great rifles also, better finish then Bushy. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE CHROME LINED BORE/CHAMBER IF YOU GET A DPMS. That one Cmmg upper I showed has the chromed bore/chamber.

Here is a good deal on Bushmaster lowers. Get the A2 or the M4 carbine complete lower.

Bushmaster lower-$270
CMMG M4 Upper--$500
Total--------------Around $770

Yeah, you just got a good deal on a really good AR that is better then a standard Bushy.

If you just want to grab a complete rifle get Bushy but, I would get the upper and lower config, plus it will save you money and it takes 0 gunsmithing to place an upper on a lower. If you can clean the gun you can change the upper.

Any other people with some views, does anyone think im crazy for suggesting this?

Edit: Oh and Welcome!!!

Link Posted: 7/4/2004 8:24:00 PM EDT
IMHO bushmaster and dpms would be like comparing a Lexus and a Toyota. They will both run great for years and years but we all know that you will get more looks with the lexus and defenitly pay for it. Seriously like the last post said, make sure you get chrome lining in the barrel if you go dpms.
Link Posted: 7/4/2004 8:27:58 PM EDT
Almost everyone on this sight will tell you Colt or Bushmaster. It's kinda like being in the cool click at school. Everybody is doing it so you should to. If you get the right components, a DPMS can be just as good. Course, DPMS makes some cheaper models that are not combat weapons to be sure. My Lo-Pro would not be considered a combat ready weapon.



That's ok because for me, it does exactly what I need it to do and that is go BANG every time I pull the trigger a put a hole in the A zone of an IPSC target.
Link Posted: 7/4/2004 8:40:01 PM EDT
I would go with Bushmaster for the simple reason they chrome their barrels. They are also a supporter of this site with DPMS you have to pay extra for a chromed barrel.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 7/4/2004 9:31:14 PM EDT
When did DPMS start chroming their barrels as an option? Seems to me they didn't offer this when I bought my DPMS shorty upper a couple of years ago.
Link Posted: 7/4/2004 11:05:24 PM EDT
go with bushmaster beacause:

1. they support the site.

2. they have super customer service.

3. all the popular kids will want to hang out with you.

oh, and i think they're supposed to work pretty well
Link Posted: 7/4/2004 11:22:56 PM EDT
Bushmaster because I've had them for years and haven't had any problems. Lots of extras you can buy directly from Bushmaster and great customer support.

But..............I just got a new Colt M4, just because.............................................................
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 4:05:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 4:19:58 AM EDT by M11293]
Just get the upper and lower because...

1. Bushmaster supports the site
2. The CMMG upper is 1/7 twist
3. Says they have M4 feedramps
4. Chromed bore/chamber
5. Good price
6. Good variety
7. Great Quality from 2 manufacturers
8. Plenty of options from either company
9. Relaible
10. Accurate
11. Durable
12. If you are really concerned with all the popular kids hanging out with you, you will be even cooler since you in a way built your own AR with high quality parts.
13. Just a plain good AR!!!

DPMS doesn't chrome their barrels without request because the original ARs didn't have chrome, this is what a dealer told me so who knows, here is the non-chrome theory, why would be put something in a barrel that could vary in size and thickness even with good machining? This can decrease the accuracy slightly. But it does give you longer barrel life and works better if you are going to run through the jungles of Columbia and hunt drug lords.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 6:32:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M11293:
Just get the upper and lower because...

1. Bushmaster supports the site
2. The CMMG upper is 1/7 twist
3. Says they have M4 feedramps
4. Chromed bore/chamber
5. Good price
6. Good variety
7. Great Quality from 2 manufacturers
8. Plenty of options from either company
9. Relaible
10. Accurate
11. Durable
12. If you are really concerned with all the popular kids hanging out with you, you will be even cooler since you in a way built your own AR with high quality parts.
13. Just a plain good AR!!!

DPMS doesn't chrome their barrels without request because the original ARs didn't have chrome, this is what a dealer told me so who knows, here is the non-chrome theory, why would be put something in a barrel that could vary in size and thickness even with good machining? This can decrease the accuracy slightly. But it does give you longer barrel life and works better if you are going to run through the jungles of Columbia and hunt drug lords.



Not to mention it protects your bore if you buy corrosive ammo falsely packaged in a non-corrosive winchester ammo box and reloaded cartridge case from some lying sack of shit ammo vendor at a gun show, which results in your NON-CHROME bore getting ate up and badly pitted.

This happened to me!


If I had had chrome bore in the first place, I wouldn't be having to install a new barrel now!

Troy is right - Go Chrome or Go Home


Link Posted: 7/5/2004 6:53:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
[...] if you buy corrosive ammo falsely packaged in a non-corrosive winchester ammo box and reloaded cartridge case from some lying sack of shit ammo vendor at a gun show, which results in your NON-CHROME bore getting ate up and badly pitted.



This, boys and girls, is why we all should clean our rifles after shooting them and keep them clean as a whistle...and buy our ammunition from Ammoman, SG, CenterFire Systems, and all the other good guys!!
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 6:55:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 6:59:11 AM EDT by Boom]

Originally Posted By _DR:
When did DPMS start chroming their barrels as an option? Seems to me they didn't offer this when I bought my DPMS shorty upper a couple of years ago.



DPMS started offering it after the 2003 Shot show as an opinion, I forgot how much they charge extra, I think it's 40 bucks. If you do not know how to clean your barrel properly you should buy chrome for the simple reason that you may miss something. Do you really care about a 1/2" at 300 yds, I dont.


Originally Posted By M11293:

DPMS doesn't chrome their barrels without request because the original ARs didn't have chrome, this is what a dealer told me so who knows, here is the non-chrome theory, why would be put something in a barrel that could vary in size and thickness even with good machining? This can decrease the accuracy slightly. But it does give you longer barrel life and works better if you are going to run through the jungles of Columbia and hunt drug lords.



I just want my gun to run a little better, if you don't care then replace your green followers with black followers there cheaper get rid of your forwad assist and dust cover save yourself some money you dont really need those either.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 7:11:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Boom:

Originally Posted By _DR:
When did DPMS start chroming their barrels as an option? Seems to me they didn't offer this when I bought my DPMS shorty upper a couple of years ago.



DPMS started offering it after the 2003 Shot show as an opinion, I forgot how much they charge extra, I think it's 40 bucks. If you do not know how to clean your barrel properly you should buy chrome for the simple reason that you may miss something. Do you really care about a 1/2" at 300 yds, I dont.


Originally Posted By M11293:

DPMS doesn't chrome their barrels without request because the original ARs didn't have chrome, this is what a dealer told me so who knows, here is the non-chrome theory, why would be put something in a barrel that could vary in size and thickness even with good machining? This can decrease the accuracy slightly. But it does give you longer barrel life and works better if you are going to run through the jungles of Columbia and hunt drug lords.



I just want my gun to run a little better, if you don't care then replace your green followers with black followers there cheaper get rid of your forwad assist and dust cover save yourself some money you dont really need those either.



I can't tell if you are serious or joking on your last part about the forward assist and dust cover. I have heard that dust covers and forwards assists don't really do anythig but I don't know if you are joking.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 7:33:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Boom:

Originally Posted By _DR:
When did DPMS start chroming their barrels as an option? Seems to me they didn't offer this when I bought my DPMS shorty upper a couple of years ago.



DPMS started offering it after the 2003 Shot show as an opinion, I forgot how much they charge extra, I think it's 40 bucks. If you do not know how to clean your barrel properly you should buy chrome for the simple reason that you may miss something. Do you really care about a 1/2" at 300 yds, I dont.




DPMS's chrome lined barrels are only $20 more than the catalog price of their standard barrels.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 9:22:23 AM EDT
Don't recommend trying to piece together your first one (although many have). I'd go with Bushmaster over DPMS if buying an off-shelf gun.

Link Posted: 7/5/2004 11:13:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By smokeman:
Don't recommend trying to piece together your first one (although many have). I'd go with Bushmaster over DPMS if buying an off-shelf gun.




It is only an upper and a lower.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 11:56:03 AM EDT
Another Bushmaster vote from me, I have three of them and one Armalite...
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 11:57:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Grim_Reaper:
Another Bushmaster vote from me, I have three of them and one Armalite...



Like I said before, go Bushy if you are just going to get a full rifle, go DPMS-Bushy if you want a very small adventure.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:03:17 PM EDT
So, when are they going to change the name of this forum to Bushmaster.com?
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:16:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 12:17:01 PM EDT by M11293]

Originally Posted By DaPhotoGuy:
So, when are they going to change the name of this forum to Bushmaster.com?



No shit...

Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:22:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
Not to mention it protects your bore if you buy corrosive ammo falsely packaged in a non-corrosive winchester ammo box and reloaded cartridge case from some lying sack of shit ammo vendor at a gun show, which results in your NON-CHROME bore getting ate up and badly pitted.

This happened to me!


If I had had chrome bore in the first place, I wouldn't be having to install a new barrel now!

Troy is right - Go Chrome or Go Home





Now THAT is interesting. I have never heard of corrosive 5.56
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:31:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DaPhotoGuy:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Not to mention it protects your bore if you buy corrosive ammo falsely packaged in a non-corrosive winchester ammo box and reloaded cartridge case from some lying sack of shit ammo vendor at a gun show, which results in your NON-CHROME bore getting ate up and badly pitted.

This happened to me!


If I had had chrome bore in the first place, I wouldn't be having to install a new barrel now!

Troy is right - Go Chrome or Go Home





Now THAT is interesting. I have never heard of corrosive 5.56



It's all in the primer, from what I have been told. If there are no corrosive primers made for 5.56 then obviously I am wrong. I can't prove anything, but I can't think of any other reason. I always run a bore snake and several patches with CLP through after every shoot (as well as cleaning everything else as my D.I. taught me). It could have been defective metallurgy, but I doubt that.



Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:32:04 PM EDT
BM = 4150 steel for their barrels...and thats the shit!
Not to mention of you do go DPMS make sure you get an upper with a FA and DC.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:32:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Boom:

I just want my gun to run a little better, if you don't care then replace your green followers with black followers there cheaper get rid of your forwad assist and dust cover save yourself some money you dont really need those either.



Definitely don't agree with this unless I just didn't catch your sarcasm! I consider the FA, dustcover and green followers very important.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:41:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 12:42:20 PM EDT by M11293]

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Boom:

I just want my gun to run a little better, if you don't care then replace your green followers with black followers there cheaper get rid of your forwad assist and dust cover save yourself some money you dont really need those either.



Definitely don't agree with this unless I just didn't catch your sarcasm! I consider the FA, dustcover and green followers very important.



Maybe on a true AR that is going to see real action and not range time. My bench rifle doesn't exactly go anywhere so the Dust Cover and Forward Assist are useless for my bench AR. My M4 obviously has them. Oh wait, my rifles as never needed to use a Forward assist.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 12:58:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 12:58:23 PM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By M11293:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Boom:

I just want my gun to run a little better, if you don't care then replace your green followers with black followers there cheaper get rid of your forwad assist and dust cover save yourself some money you dont really need those either.



Definitely don't agree with this unless I just didn't catch your sarcasm! I consider the FA, dustcover and green followers very important.



Maybe on a true AR that is going to see real action and not range time. My bench rifle doesn't exactly go anywhere so the Dust Cover and Forward Assist are useless for my bench AR. My M4 obviously has them. Oh wait, my rifles as never needed to use a Forward assist.



True, true, However, can you tell me beyond a shadow of any doubt, that there will never ever exist a situation where you might need your AR for more than the bench at the range? I can't guarantee that. That's why I want my FA and dustcover. That and It was so ingrained into us after years of 11B training to tap the FA after lock and load that it just doesn't feel right unless I have it there to tap.

But that's my hang up, not yours.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 1:19:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 1:20:18 PM EDT by Boom]
I don't own AR-15 rifles to go bench shooting! If thats all you do then get a bolt gun, it will serve you better and then you can leave the more advanced rifles to guys who know how to use them.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 1:31:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 1:41:51 PM EDT by WizardOfAhs]

Originally Posted By Msokol13:
IMHO bushmaster and dpms would be like comparing a Lexus and a Toyota. They will both run great for years and years but we all know that you will get more looks with the lexus and defenitly pay for it. Seriously like the last post said, make sure you get chrome lining in the barrel if you go dpms.






Comparing bushmaster to DPMS would be like comparing a Lexus to a Toyota? Oh boy... Get more looks with a lexus? The Lexus is UGLY!

Sorry troop, but that statement is less than accurate. The math breaks down like this:

Bushmaster: Great quality, OVER priced (You pay for the NAME)
DPMS: Great quality, attractive price (You pay for the product)

It's funny to watch all the Bushmaster cheerleaders pipe in with "Get a Bushmaster, I've never had a problem". And, you shouldn't have a problem, it should perform as intented and Of course it does, it's "near" milspec! (Near because unless it's select fire, it's NOT "really" milspec) Bushmaster is a "popular name", so it's "the cool guy" thing to get. Of course the Bushmaster cheerleaders will tout Bushmaster, most have never owned a DPMS rifle, thus, they really can't compare. The fact is, a DPMS rifle will perform just as well, and without a chrome lined barrel, IMHO, it will perform better. Am I saying DMPS is BETTER? Nope, I'm saying that Bushmaster isn't BETTER. The fact is, the Bushymaster cheerleaders paid more of their rifles and they want you to think their rifle is better. It's pretty much the "Mine's better than yours" mentality. Everyone wants something "better" than the next guy.

As far as the "Go chrome or go home" line of thought, that too is total bullshit. Worried about so called "corosive" 5.56mm ammo? No problem, clean your rifle! If you're NOT good at it, learn. IMHO, anyone that doesn't know how to clean their rifle or is unwilling to learn, doesn't deserve to have it, owning any rifle requires a degree of responcibility, cleaning it properly is a integral part of the responcibility required of rifle ownership. I especially laughed at the comment where the guy doesn't care if he loses a half inch of accuracy for having gone chrome. The misinformation on this thread is staggering. Do I care if I lose a half inch accuracy at 300 yards? I most certainly DO care. I'd rather make the shot, A button cut chrome moly (not chrome lined) barreled rifle in the hands of a rifleman who knows his weapon well, maintains it well will make the shot at 300 yards. End of story. If you're THAT worried about corrosion and you REALLY want what is IMHO top of the line, spend some BIG BUCKS on a stainless barrel. The chrome hype is just that, hype. As I mentioned, clean your rifle, provide for it the level of care it deserves, and, no problem. If you really want a chrome lined barrel for whatever your personal reason, hey, no problem, get a chrome lined barrel. Both companies offer chrome lined barrels; AND, you will STILL need to clean and maintain your rifle.

Bottom line: If you WANT the Bushmaster name and are willing to pay out the money Bushmaster commands for it's rifle, then, own a bushmaster. If money is not an issue, you will be very satisfied with it. You too can put on the bushmaster skirt, pick up the Bushmaster pom poms and dance the Bushmaster cheerleader jig and "support the site" (The latter being a weak argument for buying a rifle). If you want another brand that is "near" milspec, just like the Bushy, want to pay LESS money and don't mind not having the cute lil bushy snake on the lower, DPMS, RRA, and so many others will provide you with plenty of bang for your buck. What do I personally think about Bushy rifles? Am I anti Bushmaster? Not at all, I like them very much, and, I also like DPMS, Rock River and LMT, I even like American Spirit lowers (Notice I said lowers?).

The author of the thread wants to get a first AR and asked an honest question, he deserves honest answers and assessments of both products. Here of all places I would have expected to see him provided with just that without a Bushmaster parade complete with floats and cheerleaders.

So, for our soon to be latest addition to AR owners, I leave him with this advice: Call Bushy, DPMS, and, while your at it, Rock River, ask for some catalogs, look at the pictures (this in and of it's self is fun) and prices, pay a visit to this site's "INDUSTRY" section, read the skinny of who's got what for how much, what features they advertise. You will also be served well in going to the HOMETOWN section of the site, find your state and see who lives near you, ask to go shooting with them, actually touch, shoot a few ARs, get nuts and obcessed with a rifle maker that tickles your pickle, then, charge forward. That is unless you must have instant satisfaction right this very minute, in which case, charge forward to your local trusty AR dealer! Money, wife, kids, and family dog be dammed, DPMS or Bushy, spend the money and go shoot that thing! Don't forget pix of the new rifle, gun porn is a MUST.


Edited to say this: Ugg, I just read my own reply. I ramble way too much.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 4:39:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 4:50:09 PM EDT by M11293]

Originally Posted By WizardOfAhs:

Originally Posted By Msokol13:
IMHO bushmaster and dpms would be like comparing a Lexus and a Toyota. They will both run great for years and years but we all know that you will get more looks with the lexus and defenitly pay for it. Seriously like the last post said, make sure you get chrome lining in the barrel if you go dpms.






Comparing bushmaster to DPMS would be like comparing a Lexus to a Toyota? Oh boy... Get more looks with a lexus? The Lexus is UGLY!

Sorry troop, but that statement is less than accurate. The math breaks down like this:

Bushmaster: Great quality, OVER priced (You pay for the NAME)
DPMS: Great quality, attractive price (You pay for the product)

It's funny to watch all the Bushmaster cheerleaders pipe in with "Get a Bushmaster, I've never had a problem". And, you shouldn't have a problem, it should perform as intented and Of course it does, it's "near" milspec! (Near because unless it's select fire, it's NOT "really" milspec) Bushmaster is a "popular name", so it's "the cool guy" thing to get. Of course the Bushmaster cheerleaders will tout Bushmaster, most have never owned a DPMS rifle, thus, they really can't compare. The fact is, a DPMS rifle will perform just as well, and without a chrome lined barrel, IMHO, it will perform better. Am I saying DMPS is BETTER? Nope, I'm saying that Bushmaster isn't BETTER. The fact is, the Bushymaster cheerleaders paid more of their rifles and they want you to think their rifle is better. It's pretty much the "Mine's better than yours" mentality. Everyone wants something "better" than the next guy.

As far as the "Go chrome or go home" line of thought, that too is total bullshit. Worried about so called "corosive" 5.56mm ammo? No problem, clean your rifle! If you're NOT good at it, learn. IMHO, anyone that doesn't know how to clean their rifle or is unwilling to learn, doesn't deserve to have it, owning any rifle requires a degree of responcibility, cleaning it properly is a integral part of the responcibility required of rifle ownership. I especially laughed at the comment where the guy doesn't care if he loses a half inch of accuracy for having gone chrome. The misinformation on this thread is staggering. Do I care if I lose a half inch accuracy at 300 yards? I most certainly DO care. I'd rather make the shot, A button cut chrome moly (not chrome lined) barreled rifle in the hands of a rifleman who knows his weapon well, maintains it well will make the shot at 300 yards. End of story. If you're THAT worried about corrosion and you REALLY want what is IMHO top of the line, spend some BIG BUCKS on a stainless barrel. The chrome hype is just that, hype. As I mentioned, clean your rifle, provide for it the level of care it deserves, and, no problem. If you really want a chrome lined barrel for whatever your personal reason, hey, no problem, get a chrome lined barrel. Both companies offer chrome lined barrels; AND, you will STILL need to clean and maintain your rifle.

Bottom line: If you WANT the Bushmaster name and are willing to pay out the money Bushmaster commands for it's rifle, then, own a bushmaster. If money is not an issue, you will be very satisfied with it. You too can put on the bushmaster skirt, pick up the Bushmaster pom poms and dance the Bushmaster cheerleader jig and "support the site" (The latter being a weak argument for buying a rifle). If you want another brand that is "near" milspec, just like the Bushy, want to pay LESS money and don't mind not having the cute lil bushy snake on the lower, DPMS, RRA, and so many others will provide you with plenty of bang for your buck. What do I personally think about Bushy rifles? Am I anti Bushmaster? Not at all, I like them very much, and, I also like DPMS, Rock River and LMT, I even like American Spirit lowers (Notice I said lowers?).

The author of the thread wants to get a first AR and asked an honest question, he deserves honest answers and assessments of both products. Here of all places I would have expected to see him provided with just that without a Bushmaster parade complete with floats and cheerleaders.

So, for our soon to be latest addition to AR owners, I leave him with this advice: Call Bushy, DPMS, and, while your at it, Rock River, ask for some catalogs, look at the pictures (this in and of it's self is fun) and prices, pay a visit to this site's "INDUSTRY" section, read the skinny of who's got what for how much, what features they advertise. You will also be served well in going to the HOMETOWN section of the site, find your state and see who lives near you, ask to go shooting with them, actually touch, shoot a few ARs, get nuts and obcessed with a rifle maker that tickles your pickle, then, charge forward. That is unless you must have instant satisfaction right this very minute, in which case, charge forward to your local trusty AR dealer! Money, wife, kids, and family dog be dammed, DPMS or Bushy, spend the money and go shoot that thing! Don't forget pix of the new rifle, gun porn is a MUST.


Edited to say this: Ugg, I just read my own reply. I ramble way too much.



Nice post, so much truth in it.

Sunburn, I wouldn't listen to many more people in this forum including myself. Listen to WizrdofAhs and what he had to say about testing them and learning more about the rifles before you decide. He had much better things to say then the rest of us. Like he said many here are cheering for their company. I tried to give you a little bit of both of the rifles but do what Wizard said before you do anything else.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 4:41:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sunburn:
I am looking at getting my first AR. i am looking at bushmaster and dpms. which do you prefer and why.

s.


Bushmaster. I love the quality and the fit and finish. I also love Colt.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 4:42:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 4:48:23 PM EDT by M11293]

Originally Posted By Boom:
I don't own AR-15 rifles to go bench shooting! If thats all you do then get a bolt gun, it will serve you better and then you can leave the more advanced rifles to guys who know how to use them.



I do take it off the bench and shoot it from scrub and other more Tactical shooting situations, but that rifle weighs about 10.5 lbs so, I don't carry it that much. I also do longer range speed accuracy and I don't think you can do that with a bolt gun. I do carry around my M4 and do more moving shooting.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 4:45:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2004 4:46:04 PM EDT by Boom]
Sunburn sorry this thread has gone off topic, Bushmaster & DPMS both make good rifles, I would buy the BM for many reasons. I own both rifles and find that BM has far faster turn around time on parts and repairs then DPMS. This is your first rifle, it's your choice. Stainless is a very soft metal compared to 4150 which BM uses for it's barrels. They also provide you with a chrome lined barrel. Chromed barrels will last far longer then then non chromed barrels or a stainless barrel. They both shoot great, non chromed will give you a very slight edge if you are doing target work. If you just want to have a good reliable rifle for having fun that doubles for a defense gun then go ahead and get a Bushmaster. The only cool guy guns are Colt not Bushmaster.

Either way good luck and have fun.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 4:47:51 PM EDT

Bushmaster!

Not because DPMS is bad, just that overall (reliability, quality, finish, resale etc.) Bushy is better!

Welcome to AR15.com and enjoy!


Link Posted: 7/5/2004 4:50:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WizardOfAhs:


Comparing bushmaster to DPMS would be like comparing a Lexus to a Toyota? Oh boy... Get more looks with a lexus? The Lexus is UGLY!

Sorry troop, but that statement is less than accurate. The math breaks down like this:

Bushmaster: Great quality, OVER priced (You pay for the NAME)
DPMS: Great quality, attractive price (You pay for the product)

It's funny to watch all the Bushmaster cheerleaders pipe in with "Get a Bushmaster, I've never had a problem". And, you shouldn't have a problem, it should perform as intented and Of course it does, it's "near" milspec! (Near because unless it's select fire, it's NOT "really" milspec) Bushmaster is a "popular name", so it's "the cool guy" thing to get. Of course the Bushmaster cheerleaders will tout Bushmaster, most have never owned a DPMS rifle, thus, they really can't compare. The fact is, a DPMS rifle will perform just as well, and without a chrome lined barrel, IMHO, it will perform better. Am I saying DMPS is BETTER? Nope, I'm saying that Bushmaster isn't BETTER. The fact is, the Bushymaster cheerleaders paid more of their rifles and they want you to think their rifle is better. It's pretty much the "Mine's better than yours" mentality. Everyone wants something "better" than the next guy.

As far as the "Go chrome or go home" line of thought, that too is total bullshit. Worried about so called "corosive" 5.56mm ammo? No problem, clean your rifle! If you're NOT good at it, learn. IMHO, anyone that doesn't know how to clean their rifle or is unwilling to learn, doesn't deserve to have it, owning any rifle requires a degree of responcibility, cleaning it properly is a integral part of the responcibility required of rifle ownership. I especially laughed at the comment where the guy doesn't care if he loses a half inch of accuracy for having gone chrome. The misinformation on this thread is staggering. Do I care if I lose a half inch accuracy at 300 yards? I most certainly DO care. I'd rather make the shot, A button cut chrome moly (not chrome lined) barreled rifle in the hands of a rifleman who knows his weapon well, maintains it well will make the shot at 300 yards. End of story. If you're THAT worried about corrosion and you REALLY want what is IMHO top of the line, spend some BIG BUCKS on a stainless barrel. The chrome hype is just that, hype. As I mentioned, clean your rifle, provide for it the level of care it deserves, and, no problem. If you really want a chrome lined barrel for whatever your personal reason, hey, no problem, get a chrome lined barrel. Both companies offer chrome lined barrels; AND, you will STILL need to clean and maintain your rifle.

Bottom line: If you WANT the Bushmaster name and are willing to pay out the money Bushmaster commands for it's rifle, then, own a bushmaster. If money is not an issue, you will be very satisfied with it. You too can put on the bushmaster skirt, pick up the Bushmaster pom poms and dance the Bushmaster cheerleader jig and "support the site" (The latter being a weak argument for buying a rifle). If you want another brand that is "near" milspec, just like the Bushy, want to pay LESS money and don't mind not having the cute lil bushy snake on the lower, DPMS, RRA, and so many others will provide you with plenty of bang for your buck. What do I personally think about Bushy rifles? Am I anti Bushmaster? Not at all, I like them very much, and, I also like DPMS, Rock River and LMT, I even like American Spirit lowers (Notice I said lowers?).

The author of the thread wants to get a first AR and asked an honest question, he deserves honest answers and assessments of both products. Here of all places I would have expected to see him provided with just that without a Bushmaster parade complete with floats and cheerleaders.

So, for our soon to be latest addition to AR owners, I leave him with this advice: Call Bushy, DPMS, and, while your at it, Rock River, ask for some catalogs, look at the pictures (this in and of it's self is fun) and prices, pay a visit to this site's "INDUSTRY" section, read the skinny of who's got what for how much, what features they advertise. You will also be served well in going to the HOMETOWN section of the site, find your state and see who lives near you, ask to go shooting with them, actually touch, shoot a few ARs, get nuts and obcessed with a rifle maker that tickles your pickle, then, charge forward. That is unless you must have instant satisfaction right this very minute, in which case, charge forward to your local trusty AR dealer! Money, wife, kids, and family dog be dammed, DPMS or Bushy, spend the money and go shoot that thing! Don't forget pix of the new rifle, gun porn is a MUST.


Edited to say this: Ugg, I just read my own reply. I ramble way too much.




All very good points, Wizard.

As for my dos centavos, I say there's a lot going for building up one's own AR, piece by piece. That way you'd have a finished product exactly the way YOU want it. If you want a rail handguard instead of the standard one's, get the rail handguard -- you're won't end up with left over parts from switching out to the parts you wanted in the first place. In addition, most of these different companies seem to be nothing more than middle men. In a lot of cases, they don't make sh*t; they have the parts made for them by an actual manufacturer, put their name and logo on them, and then assemble them for sale.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 5:21:43 PM EDT
2Manchu,

*Temporary thread hijack* I'm glad you mentioned another very good point. Building one up yourself is not only alot of fun, it's not nearly as difficult as some would think, even for someone who's never owned an AR before. There's much pride in owning a fine shooting AR, IMHO, even more-so in owning a fine shooting AR that you've built. To steer "somewhat" in the intended direction of the thread, both Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA and others make their parts readily available for the "do-it-yourself" (of which I am one) types. Should the author of this thread be so inclined, this site contains a wealth of "Build-it-yourself" information that can make a first own/first build relatively painless, dare I say almost easy. In addition to the wealth of information available by not only the parts manufacturing companies, there are listed many businesses that offer these parts at a great savings, that coupled with a boat-load of experienced "build-it-yourselfers" that make themselves available to answer first build questions, slapping together a fine shooting AR at home becomes a realistic (And I do dare say so again, EASY) option. But... that is another story... *Slapping fingers so that I do not ramble on yet again lest I overwhealm the poor guy*
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 6:31:40 PM EDT
By the time you get done swapping stuff out, you won't really know what brand to call it anyway.

Link Posted: 7/5/2004 7:16:00 PM EDT
Armalite, Colt, Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA all good.
Link Posted: 7/5/2004 7:16:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
Armalite, Colt, Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA all good.



Link Posted: 7/5/2004 7:30:09 PM EDT
+1 vote for Bushmaster.
Link Posted: 7/7/2004 2:11:08 PM EDT
if you are going dpms, get from cmmg. dpms makes uppers especially for cmmg. chrome lined bbl and chamber. m4 feed ramps, 1:7 twist 4150 steel. only thing is the front sight is cast.
i got one from jeff and couldn't be happier with it. great customer service too from cmmg.


meat
Link Posted: 7/7/2004 3:14:58 PM EDT
I would chose (and continue to do so) Bushmaster simply because I have never heard of their bolts/carriers shearing.

And I can't believe people 'round here are still on about green followers, forward assists and dust covers. I really gotta get my next build done....
Link Posted: 7/7/2004 3:27:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M11293:

Originally Posted By Boom:

Originally Posted By _DR:
When did DPMS start chroming their barrels as an option? Seems to me they didn't offer this when I bought my DPMS shorty upper a couple of years ago.



DPMS started offering it after the 2003 Shot show as an opinion, I forgot how much they charge extra, I think it's 40 bucks. If you do not know how to clean your barrel properly you should buy chrome for the simple reason that you may miss something. Do you really care about a 1/2" at 300 yds, I dont.


Originally Posted By M11293:

DPMS doesn't chrome their barrels without request because the original ARs didn't have chrome, this is what a dealer told me so who knows, here is the non-chrome theory, why would be put something in a barrel that could vary in size and thickness even with good machining? This can decrease the accuracy slightly. But it does give you longer barrel life and works better if you are going to run through the jungles of Columbia and hunt drug lords.



I just want my gun to run a little better, if you don't care then replace your green followers with black followers there cheaper get rid of your forwad assist and dust cover save yourself some money you dont really need those either.



I can't tell if you are serious or joking on your last part about the forward assist and dust cover. I have heard that dust covers and forwards assists don't really do anythig but I don't know if you are joking.



Don't know how I missed this but I did, I was joking.
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