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Were these with the 5.56 end cap? (Only when shooting the 5.56 of course) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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5.56x45 134.92DB .300Blk 122.2DB .308Win 141.28DB Were these with the 5.56 end cap? (Only when shooting the 5.56 of course) Where did you see that the Omega had a 556 end cap? |
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Where did you see that the Omega had a 556 end cap? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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5.56x45 134.92DB .300Blk 122.2DB .308Win 141.28DB Were these with the 5.56 end cap? (Only when shooting the 5.56 of course) Where did you see that the Omega had a 556 end cap? I honestly don't remember but I read somewhere that they would be releasing end caps for the Omega similar to the ones for the Saker. It may or may not be accurate. I'll shoot them a email just to find out 100%. |
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This was with the standard endcap. The 5.56 ends have not been released yet.
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Well this is disappointing. Guess I should have waited. View Quote For my specific wants....I'm not disappointed at all. I already have both Sakers but I had a Harvester on order for bolt gun/lightweight hunting duty. I cancelled it 1 day before my form 3 cleared and ordered the Omega. The Omega is 2" shorter and is tougher and more versatile than the Harvester and seems to suppress just as good if not better. There's no such thing as the perfect can for everything....that's why you have the privilege of buying more than one. |
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Eventually we are going to do a shoot off. We want to get more of the silencers on video first before we start doing caparison videos.
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For my specific wants....I'm not disappointed at all. I already have both Sakers but I had a Harvester on order for bolt gun/lightweight hunting duty. I cancelled it 1 day before my form 3 cleared and ordered the Omega. The Omega is 2" shorter and is tougher and more versatile than the Harvester and seems to suppress just as good if not better. There's no such thing as the perfect can for everything....that's why you have the privilege of buying more than one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well this is disappointing. Guess I should have waited. For my specific wants....I'm not disappointed at all. I already have both Sakers but I had a Harvester on order for bolt gun/lightweight hunting duty. I cancelled it 1 day before my form 3 cleared and ordered the Omega. The Omega is 2" shorter and is tougher and more versatile than the Harvester and seems to suppress just as good if not better. There's no such thing as the perfect can for everything....that's why you have the privilege of buying more than one. I get that, but 141 dB on a 20" .308? I was going to get a 30p-1 or a 300TM (i.e. this was going to be a bolt gun "precision" thread on can) but changed my mind when this came out. I figured it'd be a little louder than SiCo's numbers but wow. Not even "hearing safe". I just picked up my approved Mini-4 so I know about tradeoffs but this was represented as something it is not IMO. |
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The 300 blk number is still good though..lol
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This was with the standard endcap. The 5.56 ends have not been released yet. View Quote So this test does or doesn't include the brake on the end of the omega? Because apparently it helps reduce DB's |
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The 300 blk number is still good though..lol So this test does or doesn't include the brake on the end of the omega? Because apparently it helps reduce DB's View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This was with the standard endcap. The 5.56 ends have not been released yet. So this test does or doesn't include the brake on the end of the omega? Because apparently it helps reduce DB's I would think if anything the brake would make it louder. |
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It was done with the anchor brake. We are re-testing just to be sure.
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Was the test done with the ASR mount, or direct threaded on the .308?
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It was done with the ASR mount. Also note that we are retesting the Omega to triple check the numbers. I'll keep everyone updated. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Was the test done with the ASR mount, or direct threaded on the .308? It was done with the ASR mount. Also note that we are retesting the Omega to triple check the numbers. I'll keep everyone updated. Thanks for the updates guys. Any chance of using one on a 12.5 so we can direct compare the results of your Saker 762 test? |
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In your retest can you use a different Omega suppressor then your original test Just to make sure it was not a bad sample?? I bought 2 of them from you, And if your test numbers hold I'm going to be pissed at Silencerco for misleading DB numbers, How did they get there DB numbers? |
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thinking on it, I'm betting they used a
26" 30cal 20" 5.65 16" 300blk with there ammo. |
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thinking on it, I'm betting they used a 26" 30cal 20" 5.65 16" 300blk with there ammo. View Quote I talked to a Silencerco Rep and they informed me that their test was done on a 20" .308 firing supersonic 168g ammo, the 556 was done on a 16" firing 55g ammo. I dont remember what the 300blk was rated on. The rep was standing by their numbers on the .308 and was perplexed as to to the big discrepancy with Silencershops numbers. I gotta say I will be disappointment with this suppressor on .308 if Silencershops numbers hold true. |
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Any idea on when SS is planning on conducting the test of the Omega again?
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hopefully soon otherwise my money may find itself being spent else where. Of course pending the test show otherwise and match up with SilencerCo View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Any idea on when SS is planning on conducting the test of the Omega again? hopefully soon otherwise my money may find itself being spent else where. Of course pending the test show otherwise and match up with SilencerCo It won't match up because the testing criteria isn't the same. That's why there needs to be standardized testing in the suppressor industry to end all this BS decibel debate. |
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Ok to put the Omega numbers to rest here are the results. When tested with the 150gr 308 that we were using we got 140.13 measuring at the end of the silencer. When we switched to using the 168 Gold medal match that SilencerCo uses we got 136 measuring at the end of the silencer. When we used the GMM and measured at the end of the barrel not the end of the silencer then we got 134 which is almost the same that SilencerCo got.
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Any updates on testing with 5.56? Would it be possible to get around 136-137db when using on a 11.5? If not I'll just go ahead and order the Saker 762 this week.
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We just retested the 308 since that seemed to be the biggest change from what SilencerCo said. Just making a guess here but since the Saker already has a 5.56 endcap out and our tests show that it helps. I would say that the Saker would be the way to go. Once the endcaps are out for the Omega that might change.
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Any updates on testing with 5.56? Would it be possible to get around 136-137db when using on a 11.5? If not I'll just go ahead and order the Saker 762 this week. View Quote If your funds allow, going with a dedicated 5.56 suppressor is a great choice. Seeing that you are using an 11.5", you should take a good look at the Saker K 5.56 just because it's so much shorter than the Saker 7.62. FWIW.... I'm sure it's just a matter of time before Silencerco comes out with a 5.56 end cap for the Omega. They are pretty innovative. |
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If your funds allow, going with a dedicated 5.56 suppressor is a great choice. Seeing that you are using an 11.5", you should take a good look at the Saker K 5.56 just because it's so much shorter than the Saker 7.62. FWIW.... I'm sure it's just a matter of time before Silencerco comes out with a 5.56 end cap for the Omega. They are pretty innovative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Any updates on testing with 5.56? Would it be possible to get around 136-137db when using on a 11.5? If not I'll just go ahead and order the Saker 762 this week. If your funds allow, going with a dedicated 5.56 suppressor is a great choice. Seeing that you are using an 11.5", you should take a good look at the Saker K 5.56 just because it's so much shorter than the Saker 7.62. FWIW.... I'm sure it's just a matter of time before Silencerco comes out with a 5.56 end cap for the Omega. They are pretty innovative. Their reps have already said that a 5.56 cap is coming for the Omega. |
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Sure, the question isn't if but rather when? Rest assured we will have tests once they release it.
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Sure, the question isn't if but rather when? Rest assured we will have tests once they release it. View Quote The rep I spoke to said the end of the first quarter, so probably about the same time the form 4s start getting approved. My main goal was to get the shortest .30 can that still had decent numbers. I'll probably just buy both the Omega and Specwar 556, one's gotta fit the role |
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Ok to put the Omega numbers to rest here are the results. When tested with the 150gr 308 that we were using we got 140.13 measuring at the end of the silencer. When we switched to using the 168 Gold medal match that SilencerCo uses we got 136 measuring at the end of the silencer. When we used the GMM and measured at the end of the barrel not the end of the silencer then we got 134 which is almost the same that SilencerCo got. So this just shows how big of a difference the ammo can make. View Quote So, a couple of questions: 1) When testing other cans, does SS typically meter from the end of the barrel, or the end of the can? If the industry-standard normal metering location is the end of the can, then metering from the end of the barrel seems like a disingenuous move on the part of SilencerCo to improve the metering results on the Omega. I truly hope that this isn't SilencerCo getting cute, because I think very highly of them as a company and tend to use their products as the basis for comparison for other suppressors (thus making them, for me, "the standard of the industry"). 2) Since they were released at a similar time, has SS gotten a chance to shoot/test the Thunderbeast Ultra series? Specifically, the Ultra 7? It seems that these two cans (Omega and Ultra) are pretty competitive with one another, and I would be interested to see some independent test results. 3) I, like others, am chomping at the bit to see a same-day, same-hosts, same ammo, same testing equipment head-to-head comparison between the Saker, Specwar, Harvester, and Omega, and just for gits and shiggles, maybe an SDN-6... |
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So, a couple of questions: 1) When testing other cans, does SS typically meter from the end of the barrel, or the end of the can? If the industry-standard normal metering location is the end of the can, then metering from the end of the barrel seems like a disingenuous move on the part of SilencerCo to improve the metering results on the Omega. I truly hope that this isn't SilencerCo getting cute, because I think very highly of them as a company and tend to use their products as the basis for comparison for other suppressors (thus making them, for me, "the standard of the industry"). 2) Since they were released at a similar time, has SS gotten a chance to shoot/test the Thunderbeast Ultra series? Specifically, the Ultra 7? It seems that these two cans (Omega and Ultra) are pretty competitive with one another, and I would be interested to see some independent test results. 3) I, like others, am chomping at the bit to see a same-day, same-hosts, same ammo, same testing equipment head-to-head comparison between the Saker, Specwar, Harvester, and Omega, and just for gits and shiggles, maybe an SDN-6... View Quote We always measure from the end of the silencer. However the American Suppressor Association (ASA) is trying to get the industry to change to the end of the barrel. SilencerCo's numbers are using the end of the barrel instead of the end of the silencer. In the future we might change to metering per ASA. The ThunderBeast Ultra's have not been released yet. They announced them but they are not made yet. We expect them around May or June based on past experience with ThunderBeast. We are going to do a 5.56 and 7.62 shootout in the future. Just have to let things warm up before we can do the tests. |
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We always measure from the end of the silencer. However the American Suppressor Association (ASA) is trying to get the industry to change to the end of the barrel. SilencerCo's numbers are using the end of the barrel instead of the end of the silencer. In the future we might change to metering per ASA. The ThunderBeast Ultra's have not been released yet. They announced them but they are not made yet. We expect them around May or June based on past experience with ThunderBeast. We are going to do a 5.56 and 7.62 shootout in the future. Just have to let things warm up before we can do the tests. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, a couple of questions: 1) When testing other cans, does SS typically meter from the end of the barrel, or the end of the can? If the industry-standard normal metering location is the end of the can, then metering from the end of the barrel seems like a disingenuous move on the part of SilencerCo to improve the metering results on the Omega. I truly hope that this isn't SilencerCo getting cute, because I think very highly of them as a company and tend to use their products as the basis for comparison for other suppressors (thus making them, for me, "the standard of the industry"). 2) Since they were released at a similar time, has SS gotten a chance to shoot/test the Thunderbeast Ultra series? Specifically, the Ultra 7? It seems that these two cans (Omega and Ultra) are pretty competitive with one another, and I would be interested to see some independent test results. 3) I, like others, am chomping at the bit to see a same-day, same-hosts, same ammo, same testing equipment head-to-head comparison between the Saker, Specwar, Harvester, and Omega, and just for gits and shiggles, maybe an SDN-6... We always measure from the end of the silencer. However the American Suppressor Association (ASA) is trying to get the industry to change to the end of the barrel. SilencerCo's numbers are using the end of the barrel instead of the end of the silencer. In the future we might change to metering per ASA. The ThunderBeast Ultra's have not been released yet. They announced them but they are not made yet. We expect them around May or June based on past experience with ThunderBeast. We are going to do a 5.56 and 7.62 shootout in the future. Just have to let things warm up before we can do the tests. So next week? |
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Just curious....does air temperature affect decibel level readings? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Above 50 degrees. Just curious....does air temperature affect decibel level readings? If I were to guess, I would say that there may be a *minor* effect on the dB levels due to atmospheric conditions, but I'd think that it would be difficult to measure at the standard 1m test distance. Then again, I could be full of it. I'm thinking that the 50+ degree temperature "requirement" has more to do with the testers' comfort than anything else... |
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The cold does affect the DB slightly but also it keeps us from having to wear layers of clothes.
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LOL @ Texans. 45 is still shorts weather in the frozen north! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The cold does affect the DB slightly but also it keeps us from having to wear layers of clothes. LOL @ Texans. 45 is still shorts weather in the frozen north! And that's why we don't live there. |
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The cold does affect the DB slightly but also it keeps us from having to wear layers of clothes. LOL @ Texans. 45 is still shorts weather in the frozen north! And that's why we don't live there. Touche, sir! |
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I bought an Omega and it's going to be my dedicated 300 Blackout can so I feel just peachy about it. Oh and -30 degrees just a few days ago here
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We always measure from the end of the silencer. However the American Suppressor Association (ASA) is trying to get the industry to change to the end of the barrel. SilencerCo's numbers are using the end of the barrel instead of the end of the silencer. In the future we might change to metering per ASA. The ThunderBeast Ultra's have not been released yet. They announced them but they are not made yet. We expect them around May or June based on past experience with ThunderBeast. We are going to do a 5.56 and 7.62 shootout in the future. Just have to let things warm up before we can do the tests. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So, a couple of questions: 1) When testing other cans, does SS typically meter from the end of the barrel, or the end of the can? If the industry-standard normal metering location is the end of the can, then metering from the end of the barrel seems like a disingenuous move on the part of SilencerCo to improve the metering results on the Omega. I truly hope that this isn't SilencerCo getting cute, because I think very highly of them as a company and tend to use their products as the basis for comparison for other suppressors (thus making them, for me, "the standard of the industry"). 2) Since they were released at a similar time, has SS gotten a chance to shoot/test the Thunderbeast Ultra series? Specifically, the Ultra 7? It seems that these two cans (Omega and Ultra) are pretty competitive with one another, and I would be interested to see some independent test results. 3) I, like others, am chomping at the bit to see a same-day, same-hosts, same ammo, same testing equipment head-to-head comparison between the Saker, Specwar, Harvester, and Omega, and just for gits and shiggles, maybe an SDN-6... We always measure from the end of the silencer. However the American Suppressor Association (ASA) is trying to get the industry to change to the end of the barrel. SilencerCo's numbers are using the end of the barrel instead of the end of the silencer. In the future we might change to metering per ASA. The ThunderBeast Ultra's have not been released yet. They announced them but they are not made yet. We expect them around May or June based on past experience with ThunderBeast. We are going to do a 5.56 and 7.62 shootout in the future. Just have to let things warm up before we can do the tests. I hate to say this, but I feel a little deceived about the Omega. I watched a video of a comparison Silencerco conducted between the Saker 5.56, Specwar 5.56 and the AAC sdn6 and they metered it from the end of the can. Why move the goal posts now? Because of the ASA? Come on.... Doesn't that negate all of their previous decibel results? That's a significant difference between metering from the end of the can and the end of the barrel. |
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Were all the test done with the ASR brake mount installed on each firearm?
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