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Posted: 5/13/2011 4:36:07 PM
Pardon my rant but I'm pretty disappointed.

3/31 I ordered a 6.5 Grendel 24" barrel, upper receiver and some other small parts including some ammo. Boo Yah - basically my dream rifle with every part exactly what I wanted with few expenses spared, but don't tell my wife.

4/4 I get an email saying that I have to complete the ammo purchase document or my order will be canceled. OK not a problem done within the hour. Faxed back to the number.

Then nothing.......

4/5 I send an email asking if everything is ok my order and Jen replies "That order should ship this month." HUH????? Come to find out that they are "waiting on the barrels" which they didn't note on the website or in my order confirmation.

OK well I can wait.

So at the end of April which was the end of "this month" I give them a call. I forgot to get the name of the woman that I spoke with but I inquired about the status of my order. Now we all have bad days but being rude to a customer is not the way that I want to be treated. I was told that the barrels arrived the Friday before and they were being inspected. They would ship in the order that the orders were received. "Is there anything else I can do for you' with TONS of attitude.

It's now 5/13. NOTHING. No emails, calls. Nothing.

This sure has taken the shine off of this "dream" rifle. Is this normal for this company? What an awful first order.

Rob
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Posted: 5/14/2011 8:32:13 PM
Rob,

We've all had the frustration of waiting for a special order rifle.

That said, I waited 13 months for a rifle from another company, and I've waited as long as 5 years for other firearm custom orders. A good friend just recieved his Shrike after something like 8+ years, AFTER having made a $1000 down payment back then!

AA is a relatively small company, and they don't have a system that allows instant updates on availability of parts. Its entirely likely that whoever you spoke with had little or no idea what parts were actually in stock on the assembly floor.

I've never had the experience you did in regards to someone being unfriendly or curt on the phone, so that is a new one to me. I'm sure that AA will look into it, since Bill Alexander takes phone customer service very seriously.

As for the inspection process, it takes some time. Bill Alexander is very particular about approving items, and barrels get a very close look before being assembled. Please remember, too, that NRA was two weekends ago, and that much of April was spent preparing for that and making sure that displays, rifles, etc. were appropriately ready.

AA continues to grow, as well, and I know that they are adding some front office and manufacturing staff, so while they get up to speed, it takes extra time for everything.

Please be patient, and you will be very satisfied in the long run!

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Posted: 5/18/2011 7:05:51 PM
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Copied from Satern's site.

*Important Notice*

Satern received the 60 day notification on April 1st, 2011 from Alexander Arms, that our licensing agreement which we signed January 5, 2010 (which was for 10 years) will be terminated as of May 30th, 2011. This was through no fault of our own.

Terms of the new agreement offered were different and as of today we have decided not to sign that agreement. So after an almost 5 year run we will no longer be manufacturing Grendel(R) and/or Beowulf(R) cut rifled barrels.

According to our existing agreement, Satern Custom Machining, Inc. has until May 30th, 2011 to accept orders for existing cut rifled Grendel(R) barrels. We have every intention of finishing our existing orders and all orders placed (within reason and at our discretion) on or before May 30th, 2011. Feel free to call or email with your barrel requests. If it fits within the parameters of our remaining ability to manufacture and deliver your order we will certainly accommodate that.

We would like to express our appreciation to our Grendel(R) and Beowulf(R) customers. It has been a pleasure to serve you for five years. Our policy has always been diversification. We will continue to manufacture superb cut rifled barrels in a variety of calibers and configurations. We look forward to continuing to meet your cut rifled barrel needs.

Respectfully,

Deb and Steve Satern

FYI: Liberty Barrels, Inc. also has declined to sign the new licensing agreement presented by Alexander Arms.

Eric, Liberty's President, has assured me that I will have some great deals on Beowulf(R) and Grendel(R) button rifled barrels to offer you!
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Posted: 5/18/2011 10:28:15 PM
Well that is an interesting turn of events.

I'll add that I sent an email to Jen at Alexander Arms and it was returned to me today as undeliverable:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

jen@alexanderarms.com

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.0.0 <jen@alexanderarms.com>... Unknown User (state 14).

I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling here....
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Posted: 5/19/2011 12:19:41 PM
Pixrob,

Email is the poorest choice to contact AA. Please call and speak with Melissa directly.



Originally Posted By pixrob:
Well that is an interesting turn of events.

I'll add that I sent an email to Jen at Alexander Arms and it was returned to me today as undeliverable:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

jen@alexanderarms.com

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.0.0 <jen@alexanderarms.com>... Unknown User (state 14).

I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling here....


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Posted: 5/19/2011 7:36:10 PM
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Pixrob,

Email is the poorest choice to contact AA. Please call and speak with Melissa directly.



Originally Posted By pixrob:
Well that is an interesting turn of events.

I'll add that I sent an email to Jen at Alexander Arms and it was returned to me today as undeliverable:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

jen@alexanderarms.com

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.0.0 <jen@alexanderarms.com>... Unknown User (state 14).

I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling here....




Pix,

If I wanted a barrel, I'd speak with Woody at LW. You can specify what you want and he can produce it. If you want a cheap, yet quality barrell, speak with Satern. They may not have the profile that you need. But, they are closing out barrels.

Phil
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Posted: 5/19/2011 9:00:15 PM
So I called AA today and asked for Melissa but she is out for the week.

Susan was quite helpful. (Thank God) She has been there for three weeks and my order is the oldest that she has seen.

Maybe some progress is coming....
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Posted: 5/20/2011 3:37:16 PM
AA better get in front of this barrel thing before it gets to big.

Posted my own question also.
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Posted: 5/20/2011 8:26:28 PM
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AA enjoyed a good relationship with Satern barrels, but the vast majority of Grendels built over the past 5 years have been built with other barrels.

In reality, only a very small percentage of Grendel buyers chose the more expensive barrels.

We still have plenty of barrels, and don't expect any great problems in continuing to supply quality rifles to our customers.

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Posted: 5/20/2011 9:02:12 PM
GrendelAA - Are you associated or work for Alexandar Arms? If so, could you say how?

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Posted: 5/20/2011 9:02:34 PM
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
AA better get in front of this barrel thing before it gets to big.

Posted my own question also.


The barrel issue is simply a mystery that exists in the minds of those who wish to create problems and troll substandard rip off Grendel barrels with incorrect chamber geometries.

We have for over two years now used three barrel makers for our high end units. With two cut rifle types at our disposal there will not be any interruption in supply and we are, with current projects on the boards, developing further barrel products. Indeed we should be able to speed deliveries of many of the products that use this type of barrel.

Now the 17 HMR is in delivery stage and unit production is running through the shop we have time to examine our overall methodology for barrel production. Not least we are looking to our existing in house ability and the extension of this, especially as we service larger requirements.



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Posted: 5/20/2011 9:21:10 PM
Originally Posted By AlexanderArms:
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
AA better get in front of this barrel thing before it gets to big.

Posted my own question also.


The barrel issue is simply a mystery that exists in the minds of those who wish to create problems and troll substandard rip off Grendel barrels with incorrect chamber geometries.

We have for over two years now used three barrel makers for our high end units. With two cut rifle types at our disposal there will not be any interruption in supply and we are, with current projects on the boards, developing further barrel products. Indeed we should be able to speed deliveries of many of the products that use this type of barrel.

Now the 17 HMR is in delivery stage and unit production is running through the shop we have time to examine our overall methodology for barrel production. Not least we are looking to our existing in house ability and the extension of this, especially as we service larger requirements.

I'm sorry but I disagree. I have had a barrel on order with your company for almost two months. I ordered from your company and it is your problem.





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Posted: 5/20/2011 11:09:19 PM
I'm sorry but I disagree. I have had a barrel on order with your company for almost two months. I ordered from your company and it is your problem.



Pixrob, the above comment was not directed at you, although, unfortunately, it appears that way.

You barrel issue is indeed our problem, and I'm hopeful that we have it worked out.

In answer to your question above, I have been retained by AA to help moderate this board, which is my only direct AA affiliation.

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Posted: 5/20/2011 11:10:31 PM
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
AA better get in front of this barrel thing before it gets to big.

Posted my own question also.


Bronz, unfortunately, I can't figure out where the question is, can you point me to it?



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Posted: 5/21/2011 8:00:38 AM
Originally Posted By GrendelAA:
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
AA better get in front of this barrel thing before it gets to big.

Posted my own question also.


Bronz, unfortunately, I can't figure out where the question is, can you point me to it?





I see the ghost of arfcom strikes again.

I posted my own question: "Who is your High End Barrel maker now."

The post was there yesterday but I see its gone now. Being a mod in another section I can find out where it went.
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Is this the work of the Ghost of Arf.com? Or could Bill Waites, John Hanke, or Bill Alexander be at work?

Phil

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Posted: 5/21/2011 8:39:39 PM
Originally Posted By GrendelAA:
I'm sorry but I disagree. I have had a barrel on order with your company for almost two months. I ordered from your company and it is your problem.



Pixrob, the above comment was not directed at you, although, unfortunately, it appears that way.

You barrel issue is indeed our problem, and I'm hopeful that we have it worked out.

In answer to your question above, I have been retained by AA to help moderate this board, which is my only direct AA affiliation.



Thanks for your answer.

I'm really not trying to be a pain in the ass but my put yourself in my shoes. Why would I ever order from AA again?

Every customer is a completely precious commodity. Customers are willing to forgive but not be shut out without any updates. Fix this problem quickly (maybe throw in a hat or shirt for good cheer), provide a quality product and I will sing the praises. Let me sit with nothing and I'll tell the world.

It really is that simple.
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Posted: 5/22/2011 1:11:02 AM
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I've a similar experience. Order placed 3-15-2011 for ITEM #01 B-GRE18PACK Grendel® 18" button rifled barrel and bolt $320.00 + upper, mags, flash hider. I was told that the order would be delivered ~4-7 weeks. 4-18 I sent another email inquiring about the status of my order and was told that it would be another 4-6 weeks. I'm really hoping that it will be here soon and that your order will come through as well.

pixrob, if Susan says your order is the oldest she's seen then that leaves me a bit concerned.
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Posted: 5/22/2011 1:36:32 PM
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I've a similar experience. Order placed 3-15-2011 for ITEM #01 B-GRE18PACK Grendel® 18" button rifled barrel and bolt $320.00 + upper, mags, flash hider. I was told that the order would be delivered ~4-7 weeks. 4-18 I sent another email inquiring about the status of my order and was told that it would be another 4-6 weeks. I'm really hoping that it will be here soon and that your order will come through as well.

pixrob, if Susan says your order is the oldest she's seen then that leaves me a bit concerned.


Sounds like we have just about the same order except I got the 24" barrel.
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Posted: 5/23/2011 7:20:25 PM
And another update!

I called this morning to speak with Melissa (who didn't return my email from last week) for an update.

The story is now they are out of bolts with no idea of when they will arrive. She told me that she would call the company when they woke up. But wait, my order was delayed because of not having barrels. If you sell one bolt with one barrel - shouldn't you always keep one of each.

Melissa is not the friendliest person when it comes to customer service and if I didn't want the damn barrel, I would have canceled the order today.

I'm sick of this.....and I'M SUPPOSED TO CALL BACK ON WEDNESDAY?

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This all brings back terrible memories. I went through almost the exact same scenario. Your order will ship in 2-3 weeks,5 weeks later- no wait.....we're out of bolts.....no idea how long now......8 weeks out-.now no barrels......10 weeks-ok bolts are in but had to send them out for coating....13 weeks-.alright barrel is in but still no bolts.......15 weeks-finally! barrel and bolt are ready but wait.......sorry the billet uppers are out of stock now and by the way, that WPI brake you ordered with everything else....well they are out for coating. You get the picture. AA taught me patience, thats for sure. I will say one thing though. After all the BS and waiting and bitchin and complaining, it was well worth it. DEEP CLEANSING BREATH!!
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Posted: 5/24/2011 4:43:22 PM
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AA is a small company, with limited resources when it comes to maintaining stock on hand. We simply can't have enough of everything, all the time, to fill every potential order. I have often heard Bill Alexander lament that at times he feels like he runs a shop for spare parts, not an arms manufacturing company, since he has to order lots of parts that might not be used for months and months, only to find essential parts backordered.

The "no barrel" then "no bolt" issues go hand in hand. If the barrel isn't available currently, it makes no sense to set aside bolts and not build uppers and rifles while waiting for more barrels that fit the ordered criteria.

Then, because the bolts are relatively unique, and not an off the shelf item, building rifles creates a shortage of that item. Because AA is small, our orders may get stuck behind bigger orders with the bolt manufacturers, so then AA gets stuck waiting just like their customers.

AA is in business to make money, and would love to ship out everything the day it is ordered. Sitting on inventory costs too much money! BUT...it can't always happen that way, and we are at the mercy of the suppliers. It's one reason AA wants to bring barrel manufacturing closer, so that these issues don't happen.

We heartily apologize for the delay, all we can promise is that if you are patient we'll do everything in our power to supply what you want, and to guarantee it will perform as expected when you do get it.



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Posted: 5/24/2011 6:45:11 PM
Originally Posted By pixrob:
And another update!

I called this morning to speak with Melissa (who didn't return my email from last week) for an update.

The story is now they are out of bolts with no idea of when they will arrive. She told me that she would call the company when they woke up. But wait, my order was delayed because of not having barrels. If you sell one bolt with one barrel - shouldn't you always keep one of each.

Melissa is not the friendliest person when it comes to customer service and if I didn't want the damn barrel, I would have canceled the order today.

I'm sick of this.....and I'M SUPPOSED TO CALL BACK ON WEDNESDAY?



Good luck. I don't have that kind of patience and just sent Jen an email to cancel my order. What a shame.
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Posted: 5/24/2011 8:06:34 PM
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Originally Posted By pixrob:
And another update!

I called this morning to speak with Melissa (who didn't return my email from last week) for an update.

The story is now they are out of bolts with no idea of when they will arrive. She told me that she would call the company when they woke up. But wait, my order was delayed because of not having barrels. If you sell one bolt with one barrel - shouldn't you always keep one of each.

Melissa is not the friendliest person when it comes to customer service and if I didn't want the damn barrel, I would have canceled the order today.

I'm sick of this.....and I'M SUPPOSED TO CALL BACK ON WEDNESDAY?



Good luck. I don't have that kind of patience and just sent Jen an email to cancel my order. What a shame.


Well Jen doesn't work there anymore so I'm sure your email will be returned.... My question is this. Does Bill Alexander really care about customer service? Do posts like these about his company NOT bother him? You have so much good reputation that you end up destroying by not delivering the goods. How come this is so difficult? If you can't deliver in 2 months DON'T take my order!!!!!


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Posted: 5/24/2011 8:50:22 PM
Yeah my email was returned. I resent it to their main customer service email instead.
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Yeah my email was returned. I resent it to their main customer service email instead.


Did that too a couple of weeks ago. Haven't heard a word.

I'll call tomorrow. You should as well.
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