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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg View Quote Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. |
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Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. More like I pull up to the gas station at Krogers, See $3.89/gal and enter in my gas card (aka coupon/ $.30/gal discount), and someone walks up and hands me a additional card that says "15% off gas". I enter both, and get gas for $3.09/gal. Then Krogers says (a day later) oh, you can't use more than one coupon. |
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More like I pull up to the gas station at Krogers, See $3.89/gal and enter in my gas card (aka coupon/ $.30/gal discount), and someone walks up and hands me a additional card that says "15% off gas". I enter both, and get gas for $3.09/gal. Then Krogers says (a day later) oh, you can't use more than one coupon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. More like I pull up to the gas station at Krogers, See $3.89/gal and enter in my gas card (aka coupon/ $.30/gal discount), and someone walks up and hands me a additional card that says "15% off gas". I enter both, and get gas for $3.09/gal. Then Krogers says (a day later) oh, you can't use more than one coupon. I can see the point is lost on you, so I'll spare myself the time and frustration in trying to help you. But if you already have your 60% off Troy parts keep them and contest the credit card charges when they are adjusted. Otherwise face the reality that you are not going to get your shit at any more than the 25% off retail price that THEY advertised. |
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Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. Your examples do not come close to comparing to what troy did.... The example above me is a bit more in line |
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And like me and many others.... I wont be upset if I don't get my order(s) at the 60% discount.... Can't blame a guy for trying
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Your examples do not come close to comparing to what troy did.... The example above me is a bit more in line View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. Your examples do not come close to comparing to what troy did.... The example above me is a bit more in line Only because it fits your agenda better. His scenario is 25%+/- off, the Troy malfunction is 60% off, not even remotely close to the same. Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off? |
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Only because it fits your agenda better. His scenario is 25%+/- off, the Troy malfunction is 60% off, not even remotely close to the same. Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. Your examples do not come close to comparing to what troy did.... The example above me is a bit more in line Only because it fits your agenda better. His scenario is 25%+/- off, the Troy malfunction is 60% off, not even remotely close to the same. Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off? Even at 60% off they are still making at least 25-50% profit if not more on some products. |
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Me either,but I only want them at the price I agreed to with the coupon stacking. Hey troy got their 40K likes.
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Even at 60% off they are still making at least 25-50% profit if not more on some products. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. Your examples do not come close to comparing to what troy did.... The example above me is a bit more in line Only because it fits your agenda better. His scenario is 25%+/- off, the Troy malfunction is 60% off, not even remotely close to the same. Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off? Even at 60% off they are still making at least 25-50% profit if not more on some products. Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" |
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Can't blame a guy for trying to slip a fucking on someone? Maybe you can't but I can. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And like me and many others.... I wont be upset if I don't get my order(s) at the 60% discount.... Can't blame a guy for trying Can't blame a guy for trying to slip a fucking on someone? Maybe you can't but I can. I am looking at it differently from you I placed an order because at the time no one knew (including yourself) that it was a "mistake" .... So I rolled the dice and placed an order ... Sure it looked to be good to be true but in this current climate in the AR market everything has bottomed out price wise.... Maybe it was troy trying to push out some old inventory? Who knew? .... So in my mind I wasn't trying to "slip a fucking" on someone |
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I am looking at it differently from you I placed an order because at the time no one knew (including yourself) that it was a "mistake" .... So I rolled the dice and placed an order ... Sure it looked to be good to be true but in this current climate in the AR market everything has bottomed out price wise.... Maybe it was troy trying to push out some old inventory? Who knew? .... So in my mind I wasn't trying to "slip a fucking" on someone View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And like me and many others.... I wont be upset if I don't get my order(s) at the 60% discount.... Can't blame a guy for trying Can't blame a guy for trying to slip a fucking on someone? Maybe you can't but I can. I am looking at it differently from you I placed an order because at the time no one knew (including yourself) that it was a "mistake" .... So I rolled the dice and placed an order ... Sure it looked to be good to be true but in this current climate in the AR market everything has bottomed out price wise.... Maybe it was troy trying to push out some old inventory? Who knew? .... So in my mind I wasn't trying to "slip a fucking" on someone Whatever soothes your conscience |
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" View Quote Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. |
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Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. |
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Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. |
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Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. Like I said, virtually every thing on their site. Not a one off blem deal for an upper nobody wants. You convince yourself however you wish that this ever even remotely smelled like a legitimate deal. Do you think if Troy was looking to dump inventory at 60% off maybe they would have advertised that instead of 25% off? |
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Like I said, virtually every thing on their site. Not a one off blem deal for an upper nobody wants. You convince yourself however you wish that this ever even remotely smelled like a legitimate deal. Do you think if Troy was looking to dump inventory at 60% off maybe they would have advertised that instead of 25% off? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. Like I said, virtually every thing on their site. Not a one off blem deal for an upper nobody wants. You convince yourself however you wish that this ever even remotely smelled like a legitimate deal. Do you think if Troy was looking to dump inventory at 60% off maybe they would have advertised that instead of 25% off? I'm not convincing myself of anything, as I said I didn't order anything from them. I just want to make sure people understand how much markup is actually included in the final price they see. |
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Like I said, virtually every thing on their site. Not a one off blem deal for an upper nobody wants. You convince yourself however you wish that this ever even remotely smelled like a legitimate deal. Do you think if Troy was looking to dump inventory at 60% off maybe they would have advertised that instead of 25% off? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. Like I said, virtually every thing on their site. Not a one off blem deal for an upper nobody wants. You convince yourself however you wish that this ever even remotely smelled like a legitimate deal. Do you think if Troy was looking to dump inventory at 60% off maybe they would have advertised that instead of 25% off? gotta ask, why do you give a fuck? |
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Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. Like I said, virtually every thing on their site. Not a one off blem deal for an upper nobody wants. You convince yourself however you wish that this ever even remotely smelled like a legitimate deal. Do you think if Troy was looking to dump inventory at 60% off maybe they would have advertised that instead of 25% off? I'm not convincing myself of anything, as I said I didn't order anything from them. I just want to make sure people understand how much markup is actually included in the final price they see. Dead inventory gets written down, it happens in every business. Your example does nothing to demonstrate typical margin, or specifically Troys margin. I also didn't order from them and will not, but to openly promote the notion that a site wide 60% off free shipping deal is even remotely legitimate is utter stupidity, designed to do nothing more than fuel the hopes of those who threw shit on the wall hoping it sticks. |
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Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. Like I said, virtually every thing on their site. Not a one off blem deal for an upper nobody wants. You convince yourself however you wish that this ever even remotely smelled like a legitimate deal. Do you think if Troy was looking to dump inventory at 60% off maybe they would have advertised that instead of 25% off? gotta ask, why do you give a fuck? Because I can, and you? |
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3 years ago Ratworks made a mistake and sold some MSAR Pelican 1700 cases with the foam cutouts for $75. I called them and they told me they made a mistake but would honor the deal. The cases sold for around $200-$225 (?). I don't know what Troy will do, but I wish they would adress it
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3 years ago Ratworks made a mistake and sold some MSAR Pelican 1700 cases with the foam cutouts for $75. I called them and they told me they made a mistake but would honor the deal. The cases sold for around $200-$225 (?). I don't know what Troy will do, but I wish they would adress it View Quote This. Just tell me, either you (troy) are going to honor the deal (great), you aren't going to (cancel, OK), or you are going to re-charge my card in excess of what I authorized (not okay). I know some people ordered 10 or whatever... I wanted ONE upper. $280 for an upper isn't that crazy. To be honest, I'm never been a huge enough fan (political moves of the company aside) of Troy to pay 500 or 600 for one of their uppers. For the 2-300 price range I'd give it a try. The market is saturated, whether or not troy "meant" to discount it 25%, 50%, or 60%, a year ago uppers were quite a bit more, same with mags etc. It is all relative to the market price. PSA has some deals in that range e.g., my $399 PTAC with a spectre rail that is listed around $140. I don't give a crap about what bells and whistles cost, because this is coming from their own distributer (troy), and frankly I don't know the margins unless the discount was something like 99% To say it again, if the deal was advertised at $599, and showed up in my cart for 59.99, I would understand it is a definite mistake, but $280? Questionable enough to order one, and see if it is honored. No sweat off my back. My exposure is 280, anything more, we have a problem, anything less (likely canceled) fine. But this is the only way I'd get into Troy stuff. |
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This. Just tell me, either you (troy) are going to honor the deal (great), you aren't going to (cancel, OK), or you are going to re-charge my card in excess of what I authorized (not okay). I know some people ordered 10 or whatever... I wanted ONE upper. $280 for an upper isn't that crazy. To be honest, I'm never been a huge enough fan (political moves of the company aside) of Troy to pay 500 or 600 for one of their uppers. For the 2-300 price range I'd give it a try. The market is saturated, whether or not troy "meant" to discount it 25%, 50%, or 60%, a year ago uppers were quite a bit more, same with mags etc. It is all relative to the market price. PSA has some deals in that range e.g., my $399 PTAC with a spectre rail that is listed around $140. I don't give a crap about what bells and whistles cost, because this is coming from their own distributer (troy), and frankly I don't know the margins unless the discount was something like 99% To say it again, if the deal was advertised at $599, and showed up in my cart for 59.99, I would understand it is a definite mistake, but $280? Questionable enough to order one, and see if it is honored. No sweat off my back. My exposure is 280, anything more, we have a problem, anything less (likely canceled) fine. But this is the only way I'd get into Troy stuff. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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3 years ago Ratworks made a mistake and sold some MSAR Pelican 1700 cases with the foam cutouts for $75. I called them and they told me they made a mistake but would honor the deal. The cases sold for around $200-$225 (?). I don't know what Troy will do, but I wish they would adress it This. Just tell me, either you (troy) are going to honor the deal (great), you aren't going to (cancel, OK), or you are going to re-charge my card in excess of what I authorized (not okay). I know some people ordered 10 or whatever... I wanted ONE upper. $280 for an upper isn't that crazy. To be honest, I'm never been a huge enough fan (political moves of the company aside) of Troy to pay 500 or 600 for one of their uppers. For the 2-300 price range I'd give it a try. The market is saturated, whether or not troy "meant" to discount it 25%, 50%, or 60%, a year ago uppers were quite a bit more, same with mags etc. It is all relative to the market price. PSA has some deals in that range e.g., my $399 PTAC with a spectre rail that is listed around $140. I don't give a crap about what bells and whistles cost, because this is coming from their own distributer (troy), and frankly I don't know the margins unless the discount was something like 99% To say it again, if the deal was advertised at $599, and showed up in my cart for 59.99, I would understand it is a definite mistake, but $280? Questionable enough to order one, and see if it is honored. No sweat off my back. My exposure is 280, anything more, we have a problem, anything less (likely canceled) fine. But this is the only way I'd get into Troy stuff. That is putting it in laymans terms..Give me my orders,or cancel them. Man up Troy and speak like a man,or go run home to Mommy. |
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Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I felt this obviously deserved its own thread So I posted on their FB yesterday and I am not sure if everyone else can see this post because it was deleted from their FB but I got a screen shot "Troy Industries Promo codes cannot be stacked. It's in the not so fine print - This Sale is for retail customers only and cannot be combined with any other offers. Discount does not apply to Aimpoint, Bio-Circle & select VTAC products. Only retail customers are eligible to participate in this promotion." My question is why did they allow it to go on for so long with obvious knowledge of what was happening??? Seems like it would cause a huge headache with all the cancellations and refunds http://i62.tinypic.com/2zxvbbr.jpg Probably because anybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it was a malfunction and nobody wanted to go to work and fix the website on a holiday for what is an obvious mistake. If you pull up to the gas station and the sign reads "$ .69/9 do you expect to buy gas for 69.9 cents per gallon or do you recognize there is something wrong? If you go to the grocery store and there is no price tag on a gallon of ice cream is it free? I swear to god these threads always end the same. I love the internet and its endless supply of condescending bravado... I will just say that your premise is somewhat flawed because it is not all that uncommon for companies to honor mistakes even at great losses. Not that long ago Razer had a 90% off coupon that was published by mistake. Razer honored the code regardless of the massive hit that they took. Troy just needs to state their intentions in regard to the orders that were placed. If they cancel them then so be it. However, they really shouldn't change the orders and decide what a customer is willing to pay without communicating with them first. |
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Who is the company that Arfcom is in love with that sells drag bags, backpacks, etc. with ridiculously high regular prices, but routinely runs specials at about 1/3 their normal price and everyone flocks to them? Seems like their name begins with an "L". |
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Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. Let me give you a quick example on the markups typically associated with firearm manufacturers: Adams Arms currently lists their base mid-length piston AR for $1330.19 here: http://www.adamsarms.net/16-mid-base-rifle Bud's Gun Shop is currently selling the same rifle (blem, but does not matter as the cost to produce is the same) for $599 shipped: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1089/products_id/411554498/TEAM+BUDS+FAST+TRACK/Adams+Arms+Base+Piston+Mid+Length+556NATO+16%22+BLK+6-POS+Blem That is a 55% discount from a retailer who also is making profit by selling it for $599 so the actual cost is probably somewhere around $300-400 I would assume. Hope that helps. You either have no grasp how retail works or are just stirring shit. Buds doesn't even run a 10% margin on most of their guns. Have seen it as low as 3-5% on a regular basis. Saying a blem is the same is foolish as well because as pointed out above blemished merchandise is frequently written down or sold below cost since it's that or throw it away. MSRP on most guns is around 25-30% and almost nobody sells stuff for that. This isn't the clothing or jewelry industry. Just another hate filled thread full of people showing their ass. I really am looking forward to following the butthurt IN ALL 3 THREADS when they start canceling orders. |
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Looks like troy is still deciding what to do ... Whoever is running Troys FB account is apparently waiting for an official response http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g380/999monkeys/49DE5409-F0F3-431A-A452-B2208AC98EFA_zpsnd6zfjks.png View Quote Someone over there replied 'haha you just bought 2 $499 uppers." |
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Looks like troy is still deciding what to do ... Whoever is running Troys FB account is apparently waiting for an official response http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g380/999monkeys/49DE5409-F0F3-431A-A452-B2208AC98EFA_zpsnd6zfjks.png View Quote Geez. If you can find a better deal you should get it. PR 101 says to admit your mistake, apologize, and move forward. I would have been impressed if he just said "Hey folks, we had an error in stacking coupons, and they will be cancelled" simple and to the point. Not state that if you can find an upper for $280 you should get it. This is going to blow up in their face. They should hire a PR firm to coach them at least. Now if they arbitrarily remove the coupon codes, and ship them at the higher Price, well, that's one for the lawyers. I was never expecting for them to honor the deals, but geez man, man up, and admit your fault. |
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Just another hate filled thread full of people showing their ass. I really am looking forward to following the butthurt IN ALL 3 THREADS when they start canceling orders. View Quote Actually, I haven't seen a single person say that they would be upset if Troy cancelled the orders, only if they increased the price without authorization. Perhaps I've missed some comments though. Can you point them out for us? Thanks! |
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Price, well, that's one for the lawyers. I was never expecting for them to honor the deals, but geez man, man up, and admit your fault. View Quote They've released statements before: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/12/28/statement-from-troy-industries-regarding-dicks-cancelling-pre-orders/ |
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Looks like troy is still deciding what to do ... Whoever is running Troys FB account is apparently waiting for an official response http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g380/999monkeys/49DE5409-F0F3-431A-A452-B2208AC98EFA_zpsnd6zfjks.png Someone over there replied 'haha you just bought 2 $499 uppers." Clarifying, that's TROY who posted "Ha ha you just bought 2 $499 uppers".....ummm no. Price mistake, fine....cancel the orders. Mocking customers is something all together wrong. This looks like a giant cluster on Troy's part, it's going to end up costing them more than the lost orders. People like me who are on the fence about Troy's reputation are certainly going to be peeved about this nonsense. It's fun to watch though. Troy needs to understand the concept of 'don't poke the tiger'. Oh well, imagine all the chargebacks that will be done against them if they charge more than the price quoted. I have my screen print. |
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Clarifying, that's TROY who posted "Ha ha you just bought 2 $499 uppers".....ummm no. Price mistake, fine....cancel the orders. Mocking customers is something all together wrong. This looks like a giant cluster on Troy's part, it's going to end up costing them more than the lost orders. People like me who are on the fence about Troy's reputation are certainly going to be peeved about this nonsense. It's fun to watch though. Troy needs to understand the concept of 'don't poke the tiger'. Oh well, imagine all the chargebacks that will be done against them if they charge more than the price quoted. I have my screen print. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looks like troy is still deciding what to do ... Whoever is running Troys FB account is apparently waiting for an official response http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g380/999monkeys/49DE5409-F0F3-431A-A452-B2208AC98EFA_zpsnd6zfjks.png Someone over there replied 'haha you just bought 2 $499 uppers." Clarifying, that's TROY who posted "Ha ha you just bought 2 $499 uppers".....ummm no. Price mistake, fine....cancel the orders. Mocking customers is something all together wrong. This looks like a giant cluster on Troy's part, it's going to end up costing them more than the lost orders. People like me who are on the fence about Troy's reputation are certainly going to be peeved about this nonsense. It's fun to watch though. Troy needs to understand the concept of 'don't poke the tiger'. Oh well, imagine all the chargebacks that will be done against them if they charge more than the price quoted. I have my screen print. Like I stated earlier, they need to employ a PR firm to help them with this. I can't believe troy said "ha ha". This is better than a movie. |
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Like I stated earlier, they need to employ a PR firm to help them with this. I can't believe troy said "ha ha". This is better than a movie. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looks like troy is still deciding what to do ... Whoever is running Troys FB account is apparently waiting for an official response http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g380/999monkeys/49DE5409-F0F3-431A-A452-B2208AC98EFA_zpsnd6zfjks.png Someone over there replied 'haha you just bought 2 $499 uppers." Clarifying, that's TROY who posted "Ha ha you just bought 2 $499 uppers".....ummm no. Price mistake, fine....cancel the orders. Mocking customers is something all together wrong. This looks like a giant cluster on Troy's part, it's going to end up costing them more than the lost orders. People like me who are on the fence about Troy's reputation are certainly going to be peeved about this nonsense. It's fun to watch though. Troy needs to understand the concept of 'don't poke the tiger'. Oh well, imagine all the chargebacks that will be done against them if they charge more than the price quoted. I have my screen print. Like I stated earlier, they need to employ a PR firm to help them with this. I can't believe troy said "ha ha". This is better than a movie. I just read that they hired a PR firm. The same one that talked Mike Tyson into that face tattoo ! |
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Like I stated earlier, they need to employ a PR firm to help them with this. I can't believe troy said "ha ha". This is better than a movie. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looks like troy is still deciding what to do ... Whoever is running Troys FB account is apparently waiting for an official response http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g380/999monkeys/49DE5409-F0F3-431A-A452-B2208AC98EFA_zpsnd6zfjks.png Someone over there replied 'haha you just bought 2 $499 uppers." Clarifying, that's TROY who posted "Ha ha you just bought 2 $499 uppers".....ummm no. Price mistake, fine....cancel the orders. Mocking customers is something all together wrong. This looks like a giant cluster on Troy's part, it's going to end up costing them more than the lost orders. People like me who are on the fence about Troy's reputation are certainly going to be peeved about this nonsense. It's fun to watch though. Troy needs to understand the concept of 'don't poke the tiger'. Oh well, imagine all the chargebacks that will be done against them if they charge more than the price quoted. I have my screen print. Like I stated earlier, they need to employ a PR firm to help them with this. I can't believe troy said "ha ha". This is better than a movie. You could always go outside today. |
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Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. WRONG. No one said anything about 85-110% anything. You can't just add percentages. Same reason three 25% coupons don't equal a 75% discount, but rather a 58% discount. If you do the margin calculations correctly AND have a knowledge of Mfg-to-retail sales, a 25-50% margin on a 60% discounted item is not out of the realm of possibilities. Using simple rules of thumb, a $100 retail item is sold to retailers at $50 and costs the mfg about $25. That means at 60% off, selling direct to consumer, they still realize a 38% margin. Now in the $280 upper, they're likely only making 10% at best. |
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WRONG. No one said anything about 85-110% anything. You can't just add percentages. Same reason three 25% coupons don't equal a 75% discount, but rather a 58% discount. If you do the margin calculations correctly AND have a knowledge of Mfg-to-retail sales, a 25-50% margin on a 60% discounted item is not out of the realm of possibilities. Using simple rules of thumb, a $100 retail item is sold to retailers at $50 and costs the mfg about $25. That means at 60% off, selling direct to consumer, they still realize a 38% margin. Now in the $280 upper, they're likely only making 10% at best. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. WRONG. No one said anything about 85-110% anything. You can't just add percentages. Same reason three 25% coupons don't equal a 75% discount, but rather a 58% discount. If you do the margin calculations correctly AND have a knowledge of Mfg-to-retail sales, a 25-50% margin on a 60% discounted item is not out of the realm of possibilities. Using simple rules of thumb, a $100 retail item is sold to retailers at $50 and costs the mfg about $25. That means at 60% off, selling direct to consumer, they still realize a 38% margin. Now in the $280 upper, they're likely only making 10% at best. If someone is sitting around with time on their hands, it should be too hard to work out. Here is Smith & Wessons info: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ASWHC&fstype=ii&ei=5cS5U6j1GsLfkQWunYFo In the 3 months ending April 30, they sold $170 million to retailers. Now assume retailers make a 15% markup. That means price to consumers was $196 million ($170 * 1.15). This cost them $100 million to produce. So, rough math says the difference between what consumers paid and cost to produce was $96 million. That means they could mark it down from sales price by roughly 50%. Does Troy stuff cost less to produce (or have a greater markup) than S&W? Based on looking at other comparable stuff in the market it seems so. This is really back of the envelope, but it's just math so someone with a few more minutes of free time should be able to figure it out. |
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WRONG. No one said anything about 85-110% anything. You can't just add percentages. Same reason three 25% coupons don't equal a 75% discount, but rather a 58% discount. If you do the margin calculations correctly AND have a knowledge of Mfg-to-retail sales, a 25-50% margin on a 60% discounted item is not out of the realm of possibilities. Using simple rules of thumb, a $100 retail item is sold to retailers at $50 and costs the mfg about $25. That means at 60% off, selling direct to consumer, they still realize a 38% margin. Now in the $280 upper, they're likely only making 10% at best. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. WRONG. No one said anything about 85-110% anything. You can't just add percentages. Same reason three 25% coupons don't equal a 75% discount, but rather a 58% discount. If you do the margin calculations correctly AND have a knowledge of Mfg-to-retail sales, a 25-50% margin on a 60% discounted item is not out of the realm of possibilities. Using simple rules of thumb, a $100 retail item is sold to retailers at $50 and costs the mfg about $25. That means at 60% off, selling direct to consumer, they still realize a 38% margin. Now in the $280 upper, they're likely only making 10% at best. Actually if you had the ability to read before you started spewing ignorance you would see that what you are describing is not what we are talking about earlier. I understand cumulative discounts very well. At the end of those discounts adding the margin declared by sanauasol will bring you to the 85-105%. So why don't you take up his place there and post a link to a firearm manufacturer who is offering a 60% off or even close deal on every product they produce? He's still looking, you hurry back and be his knight on a big white horse so you both don't look like fools. |
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We understand that some confusion lies in the different promotion codes that were used to advertise our July Fourth Sale online this weekend. Five codes were created for five groups with each group receiving the same 25% off discount, special and free offers. These unique codes will help us understand our marketing efforts and influence future advertising and sales initiatives. The terms of the sale were clearly stated to all five groups with the standard restrictions including "cannot be combined with any other offers".
Customers who ordered during the promotion may notice a hold on their account. Troy Industries does not finalize orders or charge credit cards until the order is ready to process and ship. Thank you for your patronage. You’ll be receiving your final invoice in the next few days reflecting: one promo code and 25% savings, a free BattleMag® and free UPS ground shipping if the order total exceeded $100. If you have yet to take advantage of our Independence Day promotion, visit troyind.com and use code “FOURTH” at time of checkout to take 25% off your order. |
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"We were just kidding about the price! We'll send you a "final invoice" with the real price later!" So, how do I go about cancelling my order? |
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We understand that some confusion lies in the different promotion codes that were used to advertise our July Fourth Sale online this weekend. Five codes were created for five groups with each group receiving the same 25% off discount, special and free offers. These unique codes will help us understand our marketing efforts and influence future advertising and sales initiatives. The terms of the sale were clearly stated to all five groups with the standard restrictions including "cannot be combined with any other offers". Customers who ordered during the promotion may notice a hold on their account. Troy Industries does not finalize orders or charge credit cards until the order is ready to process and ship. Thank you for your patronage. You’ll be receiving your final invoice in the next few days reflecting: one promo code and 25% savings, a free BattleMag® and free UPS ground shipping if the order total exceeded $100. If you have yet to take advantage of our Independence Day promotion, visit troyind.com and use code “FOURTH” at time of checkout to take 25% off your order. View Quote So what will happen to orders with more than one code? Will you cancel them, or change the invoice? |
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WRONG. No one said anything about 85-110% anything. You can't just add percentages. Same reason three 25% coupons don't equal a 75% discount, but rather a 58% discount. If you do the margin calculations correctly AND have a knowledge of Mfg-to-retail sales, a 25-50% margin on a 60% discounted item is not out of the realm of possibilities. Using simple rules of thumb, a $100 retail item is sold to retailers at $50 and costs the mfg about $25. That means at 60% off, selling direct to consumer, they still realize a 38% margin. Now in the $280 upper, they're likely only making 10% at best. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh really? So you think their typical margin is 85 to 110%, what leads you to believe that? So, I'll ask you the same question , " Can you legitimately say you think that Troy intended to sell at 60% off?" Typically a manufacturer selling directly to consumers will shoot for a gross profit margin of 75-100%. And I don't have a dog in the fight as I didn't order anything from them but in this market they could definitely intend to sell at 60% off. Even if those numbers were something you can substantiate as they apply here which of course you can't, that still isn't 85-110%. Send me a link to any other manufacturer in the gun business advertising 60% off virtually everything on their site shipped free over $100. Go ahead, I'll wait here. WRONG. No one said anything about 85-110% anything. You can't just add percentages. Same reason three 25% coupons don't equal a 75% discount, but rather a 58% discount. If you do the margin calculations correctly AND have a knowledge of Mfg-to-retail sales, a 25-50% margin on a 60% discounted item is not out of the realm of possibilities. Using simple rules of thumb, a $100 retail item is sold to retailers at $50 and costs the mfg about $25. That means at 60% off, selling direct to consumer, they still realize a 38% margin. Now in the $280 upper, they're likely only making 10% at best. ^^he's right. They can't run the business that way by any stretch... but even 60pct off would probably cover the cost of goods sold. -tier 1 financial operator |
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