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Found this info on Troy's Facebook if anyone's interested.
January 26 at 11:03am Troy Industries Troy Industries Thank you for reaching out. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I¹m glad you sought clarification. In August of 2013 Dale Monroe >was retained by the Director of the Training Division as a training consultant to TROY Asymmetric. Dale Monroe has not been affiliated with any division of TROY, in any capacity, since August 2013. He was never an employee and he never worked a day representing TROY to our client companies. 3 · January 26 at 11:29am Thank you. Someone had posted some information that was dated, so I sought to clarify it. Can I relay this information? January 26 at 11:47am I try not to play into that stuff. I use Troy items. And I am very concerned over issues dealing with firearms. I will attempt to set the record straight on the post that rehashed what appears to be non-news now. January 27 at 10:55am |
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Found this info on Troy's Facebook if anyone's interested. January 26 at 11:03am Troy Industries Troy Industries Thank you for reaching out. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I¹m glad you sought clarification. In August of 2013 Dale Monroe >was retained by the Director of the Training Division as a training consultant to TROY Asymmetric. Dale Monroe has not been affiliated with any division of TROY, in any capacity, since August 2013. He was never an employee and he never worked a day representing TROY to our client companies. 3 · January 26 at 11:29am Thank you. Someone had posted some information that was dated, so I sought to clarify it. Can I relay this information? January 26 at 11:47am I try not to play into that stuff. I use Troy items. And I am very concerned over issues dealing with firearms. I will attempt to set the record straight on the post that rehashed what appears to be non-news now. January 27 at 10:55am View Quote I think it has more to do with Troy's original response rather than if Monroe is employed there. |
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Found this info on Troy's Facebook if anyone's interested. January 26 at 11:03am Troy Industries Troy Industries Thank you for reaching out. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I¹m glad you sought clarification. In August of 2013 Dale Monroe >was retained by the Director of the Training Division as a training consultant to TROY Asymmetric. Dale Monroe has not been affiliated with any division of TROY, in any capacity, since August 2013. He was never an employee and he never worked a day representing TROY to our client companies. 3 · January 26 at 11:29am Thank you. Someone had posted some information that was dated, so I sought to clarify it. Can I relay this information? January 26 at 11:47am I try not to play into that stuff. I use Troy items. And I am very concerned over issues dealing with firearms. I will attempt to set the record straight on the post that rehashed what appears to be non-news now. January 27 at 10:55am View Quote Nothing new here. |
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<SNIP> We all know from our biggest failures come the greatest lessons in life. Providing training that is relevant with experienced, qualified instructors can prevent a tragedy like Ruby Ridge. Dale will be able to deliver this powerful message and lessons learned in crisis management and incident command. I am driven and passionate about bringing effective change through pertinent training and speakers that have lived through these nightmares. Many times I have seen posts in forums that state “if you weren’t there then SDASTFU”, with that same school of thought, there is no one better than Dale to speak about tragedies like Ruby Ridge. I have been a longtime and outspoken supporter of the Second Amendment. I always choose to do what’s right, even if my stance goes against others opinion. I will not throw this man to the wolves as he has demonstrated throughout his life high integrity and honor. <SNIP> -Steve Troy View Quote Troy Industries Thank you for reaching out. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I¹m glad you sought clarification. In August of 2013 Dale Monroe >was retained by the Director of the Training Division as a training consultant to TROY Asymmetric. Dale Monroe has not been affiliated with any division of TROY, in any capacity, since August 2013. He was never an employee and he never worked a day representing TROY to our client companies. 3 · January 26 at 11:29am View Quote So which of these statements is true? Did Dale never work a day for Troy, or was he not 'thrown to the wolves'? They cannot both be true. That someone who has stood beside there sniper partner as he shot an unarmed woman, can be referred to demonstrating high integrity and honor, throughout his life speaks volumes about the person making those statements. |
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So which of these statements is true? Did Dale never work a day for Troy, or was he not 'thrown to the wolves'? They cannot both be true. That someone who has stood beside there sniper partner as he shot an unarmed woman, can be referred to demonstrating high integrity and honor, throughout his life speaks volumes about the person making those statements. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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<SNIP> We all know from our biggest failures come the greatest lessons in life. Providing training that is relevant with experienced, qualified instructors can prevent a tragedy like Ruby Ridge. Dale will be able to deliver this powerful message and lessons learned in crisis management and incident command. I am driven and passionate about bringing effective change through pertinent training and speakers that have lived through these nightmares. Many times I have seen posts in forums that state “if you weren’t there then SDASTFU”, with that same school of thought, there is no one better than Dale to speak about tragedies like Ruby Ridge. I have been a longtime and outspoken supporter of the Second Amendment. I always choose to do what’s right, even if my stance goes against others opinion. I will not throw this man to the wolves as he has demonstrated throughout his life high integrity and honor. <SNIP> -Steve Troy Troy Industries Thank you for reaching out. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I¹m glad you sought clarification. In August of 2013 Dale Monroe >was retained by the Director of the Training Division as a training consultant to TROY Asymmetric. Dale Monroe has not been affiliated with any division of TROY, in any capacity, since August 2013. He was never an employee and he never worked a day representing TROY to our client companies. 3 · January 26 at 11:29am So which of these statements is true? Did Dale never work a day for Troy, or was he not 'thrown to the wolves'? They cannot both be true. That someone who has stood beside there sniper partner as he shot an unarmed woman, can be referred to demonstrating high integrity and honor, throughout his life speaks volumes about the person making those statements. The bottom line is that Troy Industries stood behind Dale Monroe for a lengthy amount of time, a worthless POS that supported the actions that were taken at Ruby Ridge that took the life of a mother holding her baby, and the life of her other 13 year old child. There is no other defense or excuses that Troy Industries can make. |
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The bottom line is that Troy Industries stood behind Dale Monroe for a lengthy amount of time, a worthless POS that supported the actions that were taken at Ruby Ridge that took the life of a mother holding her baby, and the life of her other 13 year old child. There is no other defense or excuses that Troy Industries can make. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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<SNIP> We all know from our biggest failures come the greatest lessons in life. Providing training that is relevant with experienced, qualified instructors can prevent a tragedy like Ruby Ridge. Dale will be able to deliver this powerful message and lessons learned in crisis management and incident command. I am driven and passionate about bringing effective change through pertinent training and speakers that have lived through these nightmares. Many times I have seen posts in forums that state “if you weren’t there then SDASTFU”, with that same school of thought, there is no one better than Dale to speak about tragedies like Ruby Ridge. I have been a longtime and outspoken supporter of the Second Amendment. I always choose to do what’s right, even if my stance goes against others opinion. I will not throw this man to the wolves as he has demonstrated throughout his life high integrity and honor. <SNIP> -Steve Troy Troy Industries Thank you for reaching out. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I¹m glad you sought clarification. In August of 2013 Dale Monroe >was retained by the Director of the Training Division as a training consultant to TROY Asymmetric. Dale Monroe has not been affiliated with any division of TROY, in any capacity, since August 2013. He was never an employee and he never worked a day representing TROY to our client companies. 3 · January 26 at 11:29am So which of these statements is true? Did Dale never work a day for Troy, or was he not 'thrown to the wolves'? They cannot both be true. That someone who has stood beside there sniper partner as he shot an unarmed woman, can be referred to demonstrating high integrity and honor, throughout his life speaks volumes about the person making those statements. The bottom line is that Troy Industries stood behind Dale Monroe for a lengthy amount of time, a worthless POS that supported the actions that were taken at Ruby Ridge that took the life of a mother holding her baby, and the life of her other 13 year old child. There is no other defense or excuses that Troy Industries can make. It doesnt matter if he yanked the bang switch or not that day. It is the simple fact that he would have if given the opportunity. Everyone seems to forget how ludicrous the ROEs were written for that incident. Even the men that were there thought so. |
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Glad to see this thread is still alive
Just wanted to report two new rifles and nary a TROY product on either... |
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A buddy of mine just bought a Colt LE 6940 and passed up a Troy Carbine because of this thread.
The Troy was $250.00 cheaper. That should tell you something right there. |
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First, I applaud Troy for not deleting this thread. Easy to do and other companies have done so blatantly (deleted negative posts).
Second, that still doesn't change the fact that I recently purchased two handguards (one MidWest Industries and one SLR rifle works) that specifically weren't Troy.....and truth be told, I looked really hard at the Troy product. It was what I wanted. Looked like a superior product and great price. But I'll stand on my Principles. If you had done the same from the get go this whole thread would never have existed. I'll continue to spend my money elsewhere |
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First, I applaud Troy for not deleting this thread. Easy to do and other companies have done so blatantly (deleted negative posts). But I'll stand on my Principles. If you had done the same from the get go this whole thread would never have existed. I'll continue to spend my money elsewhere View Quote I concur |
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So which of these statements is true? Did Dale never work a day for Troy, or was he not 'thrown to the wolves'? They cannot both be true. That someone who has stood beside there sniper partner as he shot an unarmed woman, can be referred to demonstrating high integrity and honor, throughout his life speaks volumes about the person making those statements. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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<SNIP> We all know from our biggest failures come the greatest lessons in life. Providing training that is relevant with experienced, qualified instructors can prevent a tragedy like Ruby Ridge. Dale will be able to deliver this powerful message and lessons learned in crisis management and incident command. I am driven and passionate about bringing effective change through pertinent training and speakers that have lived through these nightmares. Many times I have seen posts in forums that state “if you weren’t there then SDASTFU”, with that same school of thought, there is no one better than Dale to speak about tragedies like Ruby Ridge. I have been a longtime and outspoken supporter of the Second Amendment. I always choose to do what’s right, even if my stance goes against others opinion. I will not throw this man to the wolves as he has demonstrated throughout his life high integrity and honor. <SNIP> -Steve Troy Troy Industries Thank you for reaching out. There is a lot of misinformation out there and I¹m glad you sought clarification. In August of 2013 Dale Monroe >was retained by the Director of the Training Division as a training consultant to TROY Asymmetric. Dale Monroe has not been affiliated with any division of TROY, in any capacity, since August 2013. He was never an employee and he never worked a day representing TROY to our client companies. 3 · January 26 at 11:29am So which of these statements is true? Did Dale never work a day for Troy, or was he not 'thrown to the wolves'? They cannot both be true. That someone who has stood beside there sniper partner as he shot an unarmed woman, can be referred to demonstrating high integrity and honor, throughout his life speaks volumes about the person making those statements. I'm assuming they mean he was contract labor vs an employee - hence the term "consultant." |
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I'm kinda blown away that this thread is still here, or even that it was here to start with really, ballsy, but for the wrong reasons.
I keep checking back to see if things have changed, and it's good news that the shitbag mothershooter is no longer with Troy. But what i'm waiting to see is a "mea culpa", when I fuck up and have cooled down later, I usually apologize and recant my behavior. I really would like to try the new AK m-lok rails having tried a (used) first gen rail with the kinda fugly holes, solid as hell product and works great. All I really want to hear is "sorry, we fucked up, we should not have engaged that POS in any capacity, should not have defended him, and will not make that mistake again." Do that and you got a customer back, i'll take a new AK rail right now. |
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Now I know why people here say "Fuck Troy"!
What an incredibly stupid thing to do. |
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First I've seen this thread.
I'll buy Troy when they're the product that fits my needs. If the peanut gallery is going to take their money elsewhere, so be it. Looks like Troy is still in business. As an aside, RW was a turd who placed his family in harm's way and hid behind them when things got hot. IMO. |
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Just wanted to say I canceled an order for a Troy Alpha rail after coming across this thread. Extremely happy with my Odin Works o2 lite rail though! Also scratching the battle sights off the list.
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First I've seen this thread. I'll buy Troy when they're the product that fits my needs. If the peanut gallery is going to take their money elsewhere, so be it. Looks like Troy is still in business. As an aside, RW was a turd who placed his family in harm's way and hid behind them when things got hot. IMO. View Quote He was someone who did nothing wrong according to the Constitution and after it all ended they really only ended up concluding he did something minimally illegal. His wife and kid were murdered by jack booted, thug, terrorist cowards. But that's ok because he was a turd in your eyes. Guess being a turd means it's ok for your family to be murdered. People like you are part of the problem. You're the reason the government has grown unchecked by us, the people who are suppose to control it. And all because you'll excuse the governments terrorist actions because you don't like the guy they did it to. |
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First I've seen this thread. I'll buy Troy when they're the product that fits my needs. If the peanut gallery is going to take their money elsewhere, so be it. Looks like Troy is still in business. As an aside, RW was a turd who placed his family in harm's way and hid behind them when things got hot. IMO. View Quote |
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Quoted: First I've seen this thread. I'll buy Troy when they're the product that fits my needs. If the peanut gallery is going to take their money elsewhere, so be it. Looks like Troy is still in business. As an aside, RW was a turd who placed his family in harm's way and hid behind them when things got hot. IMO. View Quote You are a huge part of the problem. If you are trying to justify a woman having her head blown off by a sniper while she is unarmed and holding a baby, I would submit you are one sick individual. PS - TROY SUCKS, NEVER BUY THEIR PRODUCTS! PSS - I used to buy troy stuff for all of my rifles, but no more. |
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It may be 2017, but least we forget.
I will not throw this man to the wolves as he has demonstrated throughout his life high integrity and honor. -Steve Troy View Quote |
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In addition, retailers who still carry Troy products have had MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME to clear inventory.
Apparently they support Troy CEO and his choices as well!! no quarter |
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Steve Troy and his buisness choices and products have been circling the drains for years.
He deserves everything. May he shine with his LEO/Govt sales only. There are far better products and company's who truly respect there cash base as well as citizens of this country. |
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Rarely post anything these days, though once upon a time I was prolific on the old board under a different name.
That said, anytime I see a good deal on a Troy product, I come to this thread and remind myself that no matter what, my principles will NOT be sold. I can remember when this whole fiasco went down, and how angry I was that the men involved in this murder wouldn't face consequences. I'm glad to see that in that frustrating belief, I was completely wrong. |
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First I've seen this thread. I'll buy Troy when they're the product that fits my needs. If the peanut gallery is going to take their money elsewhere, so be it. Looks like Troy is still in business. As an aside, RW was a turd who placed his family in harm's way and hid behind them when things got hot. IMO. View Quote *facepalm* |
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Late to the meeting but I'll be removing all Troy's products from my "tool chest".
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I cant believe this thread is still here.
I remember when all this started. I will not buy Troy products due to Steve Troy's defense of his employee's (Dale Monroe), past actions. |
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Came to ask why their website has no product specs and found this...
Ew and thanks Not quite as bad as H-S Precision but enough to spend my $ elsewhere |
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Up until yesterday I didn't know anything about Troy or this controversy and while I have never purchased a Troy product after careful consideration I believe there are many other companies out there who are deserving of my discretionary income.
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I appreciate having the opportunity to speak to members of this forum. Troy Asymmetric, part of the “World of Troy,” is a business entity with a director who until this past week, held exclusive hiring authority. I am its owner, it bears my name and as we have witnessed in recent days, effects public opinion of all Troy divisions. Earlier this week, I terminated an instructor who did not support the Second Amendment as ardently as I and members of the community do. Troy Asymmetric provides training to military and law enforcement personnel. If you spend 5 seconds on the website you’ll see a graphical depiction of a bomb explosion - the primary focus of the company. Take a moment to read the course list and you’ll note a common theme: training pertaining to explosions, bomb threats, post-blast crime scenes, incident command and crisis management. Instructors’ primary areas of expertise lie in the “bomb world,” with EOD experience, critical incident response, and tactical decision making. Some posters on the forum have said we only train “Jack Booted Thugs” and there is a secret agenda. These same posters conveniently ignore Troy Prepared: www.troyprepared.com. Troy Asymmetric to this date has offered no firearms training for Gov’t and LE, but in comparison, Troy Prepared has always offered firearms training to qualified civilians. From a factual, non-emotional context, it is impossible to draw the conclusion that we somehow do not support the Second Amendment and are only training “secret army”. On August 22, 1992, Dale was an HRT Operator tasked to a mission in which he found himself facing armed adversaries. His thoughts were not only on the situation at hand, but the tragic death of a child and a U.S. Marshal. During this type of confrontation when people die, you don’t have the ability to pick sides, they are drawn before you arrive. Dale did what he was trained to do as a sniper / observer. He was fortunate not to have to take a life at this engagement. Special Agent Horiuchi made the regrettable shot, a mistake for which he will never be forgiven. Of the FBI Agents assigned to the Ruby Ridge tragedy, Dale has been one of the most outspoken. He has delivered dozens of presentations to more than 1000 civilians titled “Mistakes and Lessons of Ruby Ridge”. I weighed carefully the decision whether or not to retain Dale and could find no ethical or moral reason to remove him. Dale has not committed a criminal act, he answered all questions honestly, he did not cover anything up and he did not shoot anyone at Ruby Ridge. Dale was asked to join TA for his critical incident management expertise. Dale was never slated by TA for firearms instruction. We all know from our biggest failures come the greatest lessons in life. Providing training that is relevant with experienced, qualified instructors can prevent a tragedy like Ruby Ridge. Dale will be able to deliver this powerful message and lessons learned in crisis management and incident command. I am driven and passionate about bringing effective change through pertinent training and speakers that have lived through these nightmares. Many times I have seen posts in forums that state “if you weren’t there then SDASTFU”, with that same school of thought, there is no one better than Dale to speak about tragedies like Ruby Ridge. I have been a longtime and outspoken supporter of the Second Amendment. I always choose to do what’s right, even if my stance goes against others opinion. I will not throw this man to the wolves as he has demonstrated throughout his life high integrity and honor. I know most of those who would disagree are using this forum to voice your anger towards the United States Government. In some cases that anger is justified. The Ruby Ridge tragedy and the loss of life there make no bigger example of abuse of power and Government gone wrong. However, I disagree with your personal attacks on my family and company as we are not the Government and we are not training “Jack Booted Thugs”. I am a patriot and I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of The United States, all of it. Those who have taken that same oath recognize the importance of keeping it. Thank you. -Steve Troy View Quote |
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