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Is there any way to find out where one is on the list and about how many per week you are pushing out? View Quote Not really. We'll be picking up the pace as we go, so any date we tell you now would be wrong (probably longer). We're working date order from oldest to newest. Thanks. Steve |
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For those interested (like me) you might want to check out PK firearms ... not sure how many but there is one less now... not the delta but good enough for me.
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First! (OK.... actually this is my brother's... mine should be coming soon) http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/mschw04/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/D2E43498-844D-41FA-9433-69A7A40DAA67.jpg View Quote Pics! |
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[#6]
So... Are the LAR-47's now in production and I they are, what is the wait time? (These also take any AK mag?)
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First! (OK.... actually this is my brother's... mine should be coming soon) http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/mschw04/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/D2E43498-844D-41FA-9433-69A7A40DAA67.jpg View Quote PICS. RANGE REPORT. MAYBE SO PICS. WE NEED THEM. |
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[#8]
They are shipping by date, from oldest order to newest order, within each version.
The LAR-47 takes most AK mags-drums are a no go as are US Palm and TAPCO mags. everything else we tried fit and functioned quite well. Steve/RRA |
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[#9]
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Jesus fuck steve, I already bought a 556R!!!!! Couldn't wait any longer lol View Quote Same here. After 2 years on backorder, they call me when I'm in Europe saying my rifle is ready. I said forget about it. Not to mention during the Sandy Hook craze, they told me they are no longer selling direct to consumers. Now there's a glut and all of the sudden they are. |
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We've never changed our policy/practice on direct sales to/through FFL dealers.
Have only rarely sold directly to individuals...walk-ins here at the main facility and our "storefront" at Camp Perry almost exclusively... Steve/RRA Edited to include the direct sales to LEOs for duty use and LE agencies as well. |
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We've never changed our policy/practice on direct sales to/through FFL dealers. Have only rarely sold directly to individuals...walk-ins here at the main facility and our "storefront" at Camp Perry almost exclusively... Steve/RRA Edited to include the direct sales to LEOs for duty use and LE agencies as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
We've never changed our policy/practice on direct sales to/through FFL dealers. Have only rarely sold directly to individuals...walk-ins here at the main facility and our "storefront" at Camp Perry almost exclusively... Steve/RRA Edited to include the direct sales to LEOs for duty use and LE agencies as well. Wrong. I have had a "dealer" account with you guys using my 03. For years I was able to buy direct, and have it shipped to my 01. All of the sudden in 2013 at the peak, you stopped allowing me to do that. Here is a direct quote after a long back and forth: Our policy has changed and become more strict with gun sales. If you would like the rifle you have to order it through an FFL that can purchase rifles. Thank you
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[#13]
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Wrong. I have had a "dealer" account with you guys using my 03. For years I was able to buy direct, and have it shipped to my 01. All of the sudden in 2013 at the peak, you stopped allowing me to do that. Here is a direct quote after a long back and forth: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We've never changed our policy/practice on direct sales to/through FFL dealers. Have only rarely sold directly to individuals...walk-ins here at the main facility and our "storefront" at Camp Perry almost exclusively... Steve/RRA Edited to include the direct sales to LEOs for duty use and LE agencies as well. Wrong. I have had a "dealer" account with you guys using my 03. For years I was able to buy direct, and have it shipped to my 01. All of the sudden in 2013 at the peak, you stopped allowing me to do that. Here is a direct quote after a long back and forth: Our policy has changed and become more strict with gun sales. If you would like the rifle you have to order it through an FFL that can purchase rifles. Thank you
Stacie L I didn't know that we ever had allowed C&Rs to order rifles and ship to a different licensee, who could legally take delivery. C&R dealers are typically set up as dealers of non serialized products and a block put in place from being able to ship serialized components to them. My apologies. I didn't know that you had a unique agreement of some sort in which standard practices were bypassed. Steve/RRA |
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Well now that you've got these in rolling out is there any talk of making a LEF-T variant?
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Well now that you've got these in rolling out is there any talk of making a LEF-T variant? View Quote Not yet (it has been brought up, but nothing is going to happen immediately). Probably a few more right handed models to go before we have serious discussion of an LEF-T variant. There's an awful lot that goes into a new model beyond just wanting to do it. One of these things is market projections. A niche market within a limited market has to be looked at very closely before the expenditures are made for new forging dies, new barrel broaches, and any other necessary molds or toolings necessary for variant parts. No matter how cool a new product may be, if it can't pay for itself within a given timeframe, it isn't likely to come to market. When the time comes, we'll look at a LEF-T LAR-47 and make the call based on all available data. Steve/RRA |
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[#18]
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The eagle has landed! Finally.... After 9 days lost in the FFL jail, I finally picked mine up. Anyhow... here are a few pics. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/mschw04/Mobile%20Uploads/129BEFBB-7D09-4DF8-B23A-37E2DBBEE9D5.jpg http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/mschw04/Mobile%20Uploads/F88354B2-E7D4-4E37-AA7B-27985A8F60DD.jpg http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc183/mschw04/Mobile%20Uploads/965CFF63-CF75-4303-85F1-E39E45FBE386.jpg Interesting to see the changes from the 2012 prototype to the production gun. So far I have tried some empty mags in it. Chinese flat back - perfect. Circle 10 and Bakelite - tight on first insertion, then good - maybe a little tight (mags are new). Tapco - no go. That's all I have in my mag inventory anymore. (I also have drums, but those are a advertised as a no go for this rifle) Lots of choices for the optic. I'm not sure what I will put on there. View Quote Show us the bolt, BCG, and the receiver interiors please? |
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Biggest external changes were the lightening of the receivers a bit, the trigger guard, and grip.
Internally just some tweaks. We've said for over a year that US Palm and Tapco mags were a no-go..don't work in our regular AKs (we have a few around for testing with mags, ammo, comparison testing with the LAR-47, etc...). Steve/RRA |
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HERE'S a video I found http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=J1oGvtaS7uM
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Just watched a video posted yesterday of a guy shooting his new LAR-47 with a can on it (don't know if that is the one linked or not). We didn't test with a can, but it was pretty impressive in the video. He seems pretty happy with it.
I'm sure we'll see/hear more as more shooters take their new rifles out. Steve/RRA |
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It's shipping with an American made black 30-rd poly mag.
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Range report....
Ok... not much of a report. I was busy working out at the farm, but took a few minutes to put 2 mags through my LAR-47. Mag 1... Polymer mag that came with the gun. Golden Tiger FMJ ammo. Zero problems. Mag 2. Chinese mag with more Golden Tiger. 30 flawless rounds. Mag was tight upon removal. Went in fine, but took a bit of a 'pop' to rock it forward and move past the mag release. My other Chinese mags are perfect. I took a dial indicator to this mag and the 'tang' at the rear of the mag that locks the mag in place is approximately 0.02" longer than the others. Recoil was mild. Less than a regular AK, but I wasn't paying that much attention to the recoil at that time. The empties were piled up neatly in a small circle at my 4 o'clock position. No failures to feed or eject or fire. It ran 100%. (I know... small sample size of 60 rounds) The forward hand guard started to get warm after 60 rounds. Optics... I took a Leupold Mark AR with a quick detach mount off of my varmit gun for this. I didn't make any changes or get out the sand bags. That will be another day. I need to get some ladder rail covers on there and get it ready for tomorrow's HTF shoot. I have S&B, Federal, Wolf and more GT ammo to try, along with different mags. |
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I got my LAR-15 off a GunBroker auction a couple of weeks ago (S/N <300) and I'm delighted with it. First time at the range I ran 120 rounds of various steel/brass ammo through it with zilch hiccups of any kind. It was actually kind of hard to keep shooting, mainly because I was the first kid on my block with a LAR-47, and nobody else had ever seen one! (Hey RRA; do I get residuals for the referrals? ;) )
A couple of observations... 1. As previously mentioned, it doesn't like TAPCO mags, in fact, it HATES them, and they will not function. 2. It doesn't much care for ProMag 30-round mags either, but it will tolerate ProMag 20-round mags. Go figure... 3. Re: the oddball mag you had laying around that fit the LAR-47 nicely, I have one of those as well, and it also fit nicely. it was the only one I had, which led me to believe it might have come as original equipment with one of my other 7.62x39 platforms, namely a Saiga/Izh, a M+M M10, and a Sig 556R. This oddball mag fits the 556R perfectly, but looking at GunBroker pix of other Sig 556Rs (Gen-2), it doesn't appear to be this oddball mag. I no longer have the Saiga/Izh or the M10, and neither do the mags depicted in GunBroker ads for those types for sale suggest that it's the same mag being shipped with the guns. However, I did notice that the "CAL 7.62x39" towards the bottom of the mag appears to be a close font match to the "Cal 7,62x39" on the side of the M+M M10 receiver, so my best guess is that it was OEM with the M10. |
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4. The oddball mag, ironically, fits both my LAR-47 -and- my Sig 556R perfectly. It would have been the perfect "standard" mag for me...
5. RRA doesn't currently have extra mags available for the LAR-47, but will at some point. In the interim, I did get some Thermold 7.62x39 30-round mags from CTD for <$10 per, as much as it pained me to order from them.. (My first since the "Panic"). The Thermold mags on the CTD appeared identical, and on delivery, the patent number was identical to the RRA-labeled mag. Naturally, they all fit perfectly. 6. Not wanting to wait for the Delta version, I got a supposed "drop-in" quad rain, but even though I had the proper tools, the damn thing wouldn't seat within the Delta ring. My local gunsmith dis some banging on it and now the rifle is PERFECT for me. I haven't tried it with my suppressor yet, but the next-of-kin of the feral hogs I'll be going after will soon write the next review.... Cheers... |
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[#31]
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Not yet (it has been brought up, but nothing is going to happen immediately). Probably a few more right handed models to go before we have serious discussion of an LEF-T variant. There's an awful lot that goes into a new model beyond just wanting to do it. One of these things is market projections. A niche market within a limited market has to be looked at very closely before the expenditures are made for new forging dies, new barrel broaches, and any other necessary molds or toolings necessary for variant parts. No matter how cool a new product may be, if it can't pay for itself within a given timeframe, it isn't likely to come to market. When the time comes, we'll look at a LEF-T LAR-47 and make the call based on all available data. Steve/RRA View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well now that you've got these in rolling out is there any talk of making a LEF-T variant? Not yet (it has been brought up, but nothing is going to happen immediately). Probably a few more right handed models to go before we have serious discussion of an LEF-T variant. There's an awful lot that goes into a new model beyond just wanting to do it. One of these things is market projections. A niche market within a limited market has to be looked at very closely before the expenditures are made for new forging dies, new barrel broaches, and any other necessary molds or toolings necessary for variant parts. No matter how cool a new product may be, if it can't pay for itself within a given timeframe, it isn't likely to come to market. When the time comes, we'll look at a LEF-T LAR-47 and make the call based on all available data. Steve/RRA Thanks for the reply. I know it's not an easy proposition, but that wont stop me from pestering you guys about it. Still really glad to see these out. I'm tossing coins over the LAR-47 or a LEF-T, but am really leaning towards the LAR. |
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Correction to #2 above..
The LAR-47 didn't like -any- of my ProMags, of ANY capacity... (I had it confused with my 556R, which, indeed, doesn't like the 30-rounders but will take the 20-rounders..) |
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[#33]
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4. The oddball mag, ironically, fits both my LAR-47 -and- my Sig 556R perfectly. It would have been the perfect "standard" mag for me... 5. RRA doesn't currently have extra mags available for the LAR-47, but will at some point. In the interim, I did get some Thermold 7.62x39 30-round mags from CTD for <$10 per, as much as it pained me to order from them.. (My first since the "Panic"). The Thermold mags on the CTD appeared identical, and on delivery, the patent number was identical to the RRA-labeled mag. Naturally, they all fit perfectly. 6. Not wanting to wait for the Delta version, I got a supposed "drop-in" quad rain, but even though I had the proper tools, the damn thing wouldn't seat within the Delta ring. My local gunsmith dis some banging on it and now the rifle is PERFECT for me. I haven't tried it with my suppressor yet, but the next-of-kin of the feral hogs I'll be going after will soon write the next review.... Cheers... View Quote The "oddball" mag is probably a Tapco "smooth side" mag. That's what my M+M shipped with (they switched to these after complaints about the ProMag mag they first shipped with). Eta: although the previous pics of Lar-47 mag (in this thread) are the Bulgarian commercial "bullet" mag (they have a poor reputation among the AK crowd). |
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If that Bulgarian mag is the one with the outlines of the rounds embedded in the plastic (as pictured back on page 9 of this thread), it'll be interesting to see how well they work in the LAR-47 versus the bad rep you mention from AK users. Like the other gent mentioned, and I also noted, this mag fit like a glove in my LAR-47 so hopefully it's functionality will be problem-free.
All my TAPCO mags are now dedicated to my 556R, and all I have to do is now dispose of my ProMags.... |
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Anyone try (10) Mags? Or Hungarian tanker 20s? Or Finnish M62s?
I've got some Chinese Smoothbacks and a couple miscellaneous metal AK mags (Serbian) too. I just hate to rely on cheap mags that will break (unreinforced locking lugs and feed lips) if I ever have to use this firearm for SD/HD. |
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Just bought a Pmak AK mag today, and will see how it works later..
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I apologize in advance if this question has already been answered. But do these guns work with standard steel AK mags?.
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Tried a Magpul AK Pmag and it worked fine in the LAR-47, and my 556R as well...so now I have a common mag..
To recap, at least my experiences so far.. Tapco NO ProMag NO Magpul Pmag YES Thermold YES Can't say about steel... |
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My big mag question is how do the Yugoslavian BHO's work in them?
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Will the lar47 lower work on other uppers or just the RRA upper?
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Anyone with a lightning link to check how it fits? If its slight milling of the bolt carrier, I'm on this like a fat kid with cake.
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I would like to here reports of steel mags usage?
What kind of groups are you guys getting? |
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By the way, Steve, please pass on to the responsible person my compliments for the change in the current trigger guard shape from the original flat-bottomed, square-backed one (which I thought was especially ugly).
Damn, I might just have to pick one up now... Forrest Edited to add: I meant 'square-fronted' one, of course, but I'm sure that goes without saying... |
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By the way, Steve, please pass on to the responsible person my compliments for the change in the current trigger guard shape from the original flat-bottomed, square-backed one (which I thought was especially ugly). Damn, I might just have to pick one up now... Forrest Edited to add: I meant 'square-fronted' one, of course, but I'm sure that goes without saying... View Quote Forrest, I knew where you were at. We made quite a few changes from the original prototypes, which is one of the reasons it took longer than planned to release it. Each time we made a change, we were content, but not quite happy with the whole package. A lot of the changes were subtle, and unless you had been inside one of the originals, you'll never know it. Some may even be incorporated into other models in the future. When we do change something, we go through the entire model to make sure that the one thing being changed doesn't necessitate other changes, and if it does, is there a cascade of other changes needed just to make the first change "doable". It's a painstaking process, but in the long run, it's better than releasing partially done rifles and making the customers be the guinea pigs. If I remember correctly, you somewhat patiently waited for an LAR-8, so you have an idea of what I am talking about. I gave up my place in line because my build is going to be a PITA, but I'll eventually have an LAR-47 as well. Steve/RRA |
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