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The reticle looks fantastic. Hopefully I can get it zeroed this weekend. I'll have to get cleared to use the 1000 yard range before I can stretch it past 200, though. http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/LawVol/Mobile%20Uploads/46FD066D-0122-423D-AD6D-F4E0CE8DD94B_zpsgb9e7erc.jpg View Quote Thank you and nice set up -D |
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We have run out but some are on the way to dealers. Check with Aim or Midwest Industries. Snag one before they run out. I will give you the bundle price on the Bobro once we get more. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've been thinking of buying one but the Bobro extended mounts are out of stock. We have run out but some are on the way to dealers. Check with Aim or Midwest Industries. Snag one before they run out. I will give you the bundle price on the Bobro once we get more. |
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Mine should come in today! Still waiting on my mount to come in though...
On a side note, what ammo are you guys using to shoot at distance?? I stick w/the milspec stuff... M193. Using a 16" 1/7 twist, my groupings at 100y are pretty decent (around 2-4moa), but I can't imagine hitting any steel once I reach out to 300-400yd range w/the M193s? |
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Got a email saying it was back in stock.. Tried to add it to cart and it says out of stock. So which is it?
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Got a email saying it was back in stock.. Tried to add it to cart and it says out of stock. So which is it? View Quote We are sold out. They went pretty quick but two of our bigger dealer haves them. They won't last long there either. http://www.aimsurplus.com/ http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/ |
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I was lucky enough to get one of these PA 1-6 scopes when the email came out. 3 weeks ago I scored a deal at Cabelas and got a Burris Mtac 1.5-6 x 42 scope for $307.
Now I am trying to make a reasonable comparison and decide which scope to keep. I am a relative newcomer and don't have much experience with optics. Has anyone compared the two in detail. I like the size, the look, the awesome reticle and the true 1x of the PA. The Burris is brighter, seems a little clearer and seems to have a little more magnification. The Burris seems to be much beefier but according to the specs actually weighs less at 14.1 oz. The PA is speced at 16.6oz. I will weigh them for a true comparison. How can I compare true magnification? |
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AAR. Went out Thursday and Friday with S&W MP15 and my new PA 1x6.
First time using magnification, but have an Aimpoint Pro and PA Micro dot. Thursday. 55 degrees, raining and 25 mph winds. Sited in using 25m / 100 m target from the optics thread. Target stand kept blowing over at 100 yards, so I couldn't verify. Was able to hit 12 inch plate at 170 and 220 yards. Couldn't hit the plate at 400 though. Didn't really expect to with the winds Friday, 43 degrees, 10-15 mph winds. Verified poi at 100 yards. Was high, so dialed it down. Went straight to the 400 yard plate. Hit it on 3rd shot playing with windage, and consistently hitting after that. Now my 17 yo son gave it a try after I explained the reticle. He couldn't find the 400 target, so was hitting the 220 every shot. Finally got him to find the 400 and he was also hitting it with no problem. This is what his smile looked like. This was his first time using magnification also. I can't compare it to anything else, but I thought the glass was very clear and the reticle was very easy to use. I'm extremely happy with this purchase, and can't wait for my range to add the 700 yard target. |
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I finally took the 1-6 to the range today. My primary goal was just to get a decent zero. Easily enough done. My Initial impression is that this optic is a great value and I am excited to use it more.
My first impressions are based on comparison to the HiLux CMR 1-4 I have used for the last year. (Another great value!) I was anxious to see if the PA's reticle was daylight visible, but it was to over cast to get a fair assement today. The CMR is not even close to daylight visible. As others have said, the bold center reticle on the PA ACSS is quite fast for a 1-x scope. Faster than the CMR to be sure. Up close I think I will like this quite well. As I zeroed at 100 yd it became clear that this is not a precision optic. The bold center dot isn't doing the shooter any favors at this range. Here (and likely beyond) the finer CMR reticle is superior. Fortunately, accuracy was similar to the CMR, despite the heavy dot. For me though, I think I am happy to trade a little precision at range, for a lot of speed up close with the ACSS vs the CMR. Clicks were audible, tactile, and positive. The adjustments seemed to come in a bit over 1/2" at 100 yds. On another trip I'll measure precisely. Zoom is smooth and appropriately stiff. The extra battery holder is a nice touch. The ACSS Field of view is larger than the CMR, which is always nice, and the glass seems to be of ovral similar quality. The ACSS exhibits a bit of fish eye at 1x that the CMR does not. While I notice the fisheye when looking for it, it does not seem to detract from target acquisitions and shooting. For a bdc scope, the CMR has a good reticle for longer range use. I really like the fine stadia and open aiming points. The relatively thicker range markers on the ACSS may be less suited for longer range. Though, the extra 50% in magnification power may make up for it. I won't know till I get to stretch the ACSS out past 100. After my brief time with the 1-6 ACSS today, I initially prefer it to the CMR. Primarily, for the speed it has up close over the CMR, and the extra magnification. I expect to favor this scope more as I spend time with it and makes hits at range. The PA deluxe mount seems decent as well. It seems solid, and is light enough, But the mounting screws are way to soft. What size and pitch are they? I need to find some harder screws. |
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I finally took the 1-6 to the range today. My primary goal was just to get a decent zero. Easily enough done. My Initial impression is that this optic is a great value and I am excited to use it more. My first impressions are based on comparison to the HiLux CMR 1-4 I have used for the last year. (Another great value!) I was anxious to see if the PA's reticle was daylight visible, but it was to over cast to get a fair assement today. The CMR is not even close to daylight visible. As others have said, the bold center reticle on the PA ACSS is quite fast for a 1-x scope. Faster than the CMR to be sure. Up close I think I will like this quite well. As I zeroed at 100 yd it became clear that this is not a precision optic. The bold center dot isn't doing the shooter any favors at this range. Here (and likely beyond) the finer CMR reticle is superior. Fortunately, accuracy was similar to the CMR, despite the heavy dot. For me though, I think I am happy to trade a little precision at range, for a lot of speed up close with the ACSS vs the CMR. Clicks were audible, tactile, and positive. The adjustments seemed to come in a bit over 1/2" at 100 yds. On another trip I'll measure precisely. Zoom is smooth and appropriately stiff. The extra battery holder is a nice touch. The ACSS Field of view is larger than the CMR, which is always nice, and the glass seems to be of ovral similar quality. The ACSS exhibits a bit of fish eye at 1x that the CMR does not. While I notice the fisheye when looking for it, it does not seem to detract from target acquisitions and shooting. For a bdc scope, the CMR has a good reticle for longer range use. I really like the fine stadia and open aiming points. The relatively thicker range markers on the ACSS may be less suited for longer range. Though, the extra 50% in magnification power may make up for it. I won't know till I get to stretch the ACSS out past 100. After my brief time with the 1-6 ACSS today, I initially prefer it to the CMR. Primarily, for the speed it has up close over the CMR, and the extra magnification. I expect to favor this scope more as I spend time with it and makes hits at range. The PA deluxe mount seems decent as well. It seems solid, and is light enough, But the mounting screws are way to soft. What size and pitch are they? I need to find some harder s crews. View Quote You can't have thin cross hairs in a dynamic environment besides the POI in never center there is always wind of some kind, this is made for a fighting rifle and why the reticle can be used fast with out illumination unlike the thin cross hairs of the CMR. If you want to compare reticles set up man size targets at unknown distances and watch what happens! No to mention the BDC. The BDC is dead on out to 800 yards. Your comparing an advanced targeting system to a reticle that lacks vertical ranging and leads. The ACSS is designed to deal with the shots required from CQB-800 in dynamic environment. The most important aspect of med range tactical shooting is proper range estimation, if your target turns sideways the ranging on the CMR is very limited. No one stands there to be ranged, targets move and the wind shifts. Read up of where the ACSS comes from and you would will understand just how superior it is! Better yet shoot it 400-800 and watch what happens! Here is video of me taking out to 700 using standard 5.56 and BDC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxwaiDeXP8c -Dimitri |
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What is the MOA size of the center dot? Also, how do I utilize the 1 MIL graduation (distance between the 4 and 5 marks on the vertical auto range)?
Thanks, guys. Hopefully, I can get to the range next weekend. If I understand the information on the box correctly, the wind hold dots would represent 10mph, when using with a .308 rifle. |
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Snagged another one off EE.
Prolly sell my vortex 1-4 and put the PA on my 6.8 Im damn tempted to get one for my muzzle loader. |
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I have the 6x ACSS on two AR's. And it took me a bit to get it through my thick skull. The ACSS isn't a precession reticle. It's a fighting reticle that is quick on target, quick with follow-up and its ranging capabilities work. My buddy has the Burris AR-332. And I can hit quicker and more consistent then he can. And he has much better eyes then I do. He's also better shot, trained by the Marines.
Totally understand why the Russians use the 400m Simonov and the 1000m Dragunov metering grids. Your able to get rounds on target quickly, with MoM (minute of man) accuracy or better, at distance, shot after shot. And that's what the ACSS does too. I use Mil-Dot, Nikon BDC, Burris Ballistic CQ, ACSS and hunting crosshair optics. The ACSS is by far, my most favorite to shoot with. |
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What is the MOA size of the center dot? Also, how do I utilize the 1 MIL graduation (distance between the 4 and 5 marks on the vertical auto range)? Thanks, guys. Hopefully, I can get to the range next weekend. If I understand the information on the box correctly, the wind hold dots would represent 10mph, when using with a .308 rifle. View Quote Center dot is 1moa mil used for ranging target size in inches example 10 X 27.778 divide by mil covering target example .5 277.78Divide by .5 = target is 555 yards away Dimitri |
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I have the vltor casv carbine hand guards which mount would work best with this scope?
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Any pics of one of these on a Tavor? Seems like it would be perfect but I want to know if there would be enough room in front of the scope for my thermal before I buy a Tavor.
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well here is my ebay find! http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/1013142008a.jpg http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/1013142007a.jpg crappy phone pics View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I shot mine at a local carbine match last Sunday. Scope preformed fantastic! me on the other had ..... We were shooting steel at 200yd and I had a brain fart and decided to use the 400yd has mark to try and hit. After the first 10 rounds or so the RO was nice enough to call out high. Knew something was up so I dropped it down to the center dot and went 17 out of 20 some shots. I could of easily had a better run but screwed that up from the start. They had another stage shooting through holes in a small tower name sumfer tower through randomly located holes. On 1x i was quick on target and was able to put two hits back to back very quickly. The only thing that made it harder for me was finding my eye relief when shooting in odd potions. All and all I am very happy I was able to land one of these. Can wait to get more rounds through it. I meant to get a picture of it at the range but forgot with all the shooting going on :), Next time out out I will get a pic for the thread well here is my ebay find! http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/1013142008a.jpg http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/tstuart34/1013142007a.jpg crappy phone pics Nice!!! -Dimitri |
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View Quote Spectacular, that is exactly what I needed thank you! Looks like there might be JUST enough room |
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How does the sight picture look when the scope is on 1x thru the fixed front site anyone have a picture?
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What a great scope. I was able to really run it today. Set 10" steel at 140 yards today. Also got to use it for quick snap shots at 5-50 yards on paper. Great combat optics that just flat out works. I was ringing 8/10 shots at 140. Had some gusty winds today in N. Texas but I would blame the shooter rather than the wind for most misses today.
Buddy I was shooting with is going to place an order and have it to compliment his EOtech/magnifier combo |
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Can anyone recommend a non-plastic throw lever that fits the gen II? Looking through switchviews catalog I couldn't find anything that would fit the bill.
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I agree! The ACSS is much faster up close. That is much of why I prefer it over my CMR. The one advantage the CMR has, in my opinion, is the finer aim points as the bdc progresses out. These would be relatively easy to incorporate in a later gen acss with out detracting from any of the optics current virtues. Overall, this seems to be a good optic at great value. It has replaced my CMR for now. Keep up the good work!
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Neat experience today:
Set up a 18x24" steel plate at lasered 400 yards. Set up in prone on the rocky desert floor with mag resting on the ground. Reticle ranging lines indicated 400 yards. Placed 400 right on the center of the plate and missed a couple. Noticed that there seemed to be a crosswind breeze on my face. Put the wind dot on the target and commenced to nailing the target a ton of times with relative ease. Friend then measured the wind at 4-6mph |
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Neat experience today: Set up a 18x24" steel plate at lasered 400 yards. Set up in prone on the rocky desert floor with mag resting on the ground. Reticle ranging lines indicated 400 yards. Placed 400 right on the center of the plate and missed a couple. Noticed that there seemed to be a crosswind breeze on my face. Put the wind dot on the target and commenced to nailing the target a ton of times with relative ease. Friend then measured the wind at 4-6mph View Quote Sounds right to me, I cheat and hang about 4" of yarn from the bottom of my quad, it tells me wind direction and if you track its angle you can get wind velocity as well. Hope this helps. -Dimitri |
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I agree! The ACSS is much faster up close. That is much of why I prefer it over my CMR. The one advantage the CMR has, in my opinion, is the finer aim points as the bdc progresses out. These would be relatively easy to incorporate in a later gen acss with out detracting from any of the optics current virtues. Overall, this seems to be a good optic at great value. It has replaced my CMR for now. Keep up the good work! View Quote The thing you will experience as mentioned above is that the bullet or POI will never be dead center its always to left or right due to wind. I have shoot the ACSS for several years now and past 300 I have held center maybe once. In our studies the number 1 reason shots were missed was wrong range estimation. We found out that the larger the target your milling or ranging the closer you are to true range. Because of that the ACSS has far superior ranging, BDC, wind holds and something often over looked is leading moving targets. The CMR is no match for the ACSS in any dynamic environment. The BDC of the ACSS has been confirmed dead on out to 800 yards by us and some of the top names in the industry from AKOU,Military Arms channel taking several 3 gun comps, the CMR can't even CQB. Trust me they are not the same... -Dimitri |
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Sounds right to me, I cheat and hang about 4" of yarn from the bottom of my quad, it tells me wind direction and if you track its angle you can get wind velocity as well. Hope this helps. -Dimitri View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Neat experience today: Set up a 18x24" steel plate at lasered 400 yards. Set up in prone on the rocky desert floor with mag resting on the ground. Reticle ranging lines indicated 400 yards. Placed 400 right on the center of the plate and missed a couple. Noticed that there seemed to be a crosswind breeze on my face. Put the wind dot on the target and commenced to nailing the target a ton of times with relative ease. Friend then measured the wind at 4-6mph Sounds right to me, I cheat and hang about 4" of yarn from the bottom of my quad, it tells me wind direction and if you track its angle you can get wind velocity as well. Hope this helps. -Dimitri Thats a great idea. We have shot in this area before and it is a dry dusty area where you can usually see evidence of wind in the dust. But this time the ground was soft and wet due to recent rains and we forgot about wind until the first couple missed. Later ot calmed for about half a mag and I was getting hits with center hold. Then went back to wind hold when it returned. Worked great. I like the scope a lot. |
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Thats a great idea. We have shot in this area before and it is a dry dusty area where you can usually see evidence of wind in the dust. But this time the ground was soft and wet due to recent rains and we forgot about wind until the first couple missed. Later ot calmed for about half a mag and I was getting hits with center hold. Then went back to wind hold when it returned. Worked great. I like the scope a lot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Neat experience today: Set up a 18x24" steel plate at lasered 400 yards. Set up in prone on the rocky desert floor with mag resting on the ground. Reticle ranging lines indicated 400 yards. Placed 400 right on the center of the plate and missed a couple. Noticed that there seemed to be a crosswind breeze on my face. Put the wind dot on the target and commenced to nailing the target a ton of times with relative ease. Friend then measured the wind at 4-6mph Sounds right to me, I cheat and hang about 4" of yarn from the bottom of my quad, it tells me wind direction and if you track its angle you can get wind velocity as well. Hope this helps. -Dimitri Thats a great idea. We have shot in this area before and it is a dry dusty area where you can usually see evidence of wind in the dust. But this time the ground was soft and wet due to recent rains and we forgot about wind until the first couple missed. Later ot calmed for about half a mag and I was getting hits with center hold. Then went back to wind hold when it returned. Worked great. I like the scope a lot. The more you shoot it the more you will realize the reticle is far superior to anything out, even in the high price ranges. -Dimtri |
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Also first time out with my PA 1-6x ACSS, after setting zero at 100 yards, I was engaging metal targets 200, 300, 400, 500 yards with little time wasted between shots. XM193 in a 18" Rainier 1:8 polygonal.
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First time out with my 1-6x, and first time shooting any weapon over 300 yards since 1990 (US Army)...7-of-10 at 700 yards with XM855, 18" 1/8 5r barrel. http://tinypic.com/r/vfjltk/8 24" steel gong. View Quote Nice!! Its tricky out there its all about wind, the BDC is right on. -Dimitri |
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Also first time out with my PA 1-6x ACSS, after setting zero at 100 yards, I was engaging metal targets 200, 300, 400, 500 yards with little time wasted between shots. XM193 in a 18" Rainier 1:8 polygonal. The ACSS system is fantastic. View Quote Thanks you, I spent a long time making sure the BDC was right on, in actual field testing not just software. -Dimitri |
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Will there be any more made calibrated for the 7.62x39? I found this link via google but I don't see it actually listed under "scopes" when I try and navigate there from your homepage: http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_6X_Scope_with_ACSS_7_62X39_300AAC_p/pa1-6xakser.htm
Also, there is a lot of talk about the bdc being "right on." Keep in mind that altitude, humidity, and temperature will always have a notable affect when calculating drop compensation. BDC scopes are always a ballpark and hardly ever "right on." I live in Colorado Springs so the altitude alone winds up making my POI higher than where BDC scope is calibrated. Still, I like the BDC idea and own several BDC scopes from .22lr to 30-06. You just have to understand their limitations. |
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Your specific parameters may dictate adjustments which Dimitri can help you with (elevation, hand loads, etc). I plan to do this once I work up a load for my barrel...hopefully it won't differ too much from XM855, just be more consistent. |
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Will there be any more made calibrated for the 7.62x39? I found this link via google but I don't see it actually listed under "scopes" when I try and navigate there from your homepage: http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_6X_Scope_with_ACSS_7_62X39_300AAC_p/pa1-6xakser.htm Also, there is a lot of talk about the bdc being "right on." Keep in mind that altitude, humidity, and temperature will always have a notable affect when calculating drop compensation. BDC scopes are always a ballpark and hardly ever "right on." I live in Colorado Springs so the altitude alone winds up making my POI higher than where BDC scope is calibrated. Still, I like the BDC idea and own several BDC scopes from .22lr to 30-06. You just have to understand their limitations. View Quote Its why we provide exact dial in instructions for your particular barrel length, altitude and load. Look up range reports, guys are getting 1 round hits out to 800yards, also check out the Youtube test footage. The 1-6 7.62x39 had issues and we pulled it, there is a 4X coming in that caliber. -Dimitri |
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Its why we provide exact dial in instructions for your particular barrel length, altitude and load. Look up range reports, guys are getting 1 round hits out to 800yards, also check out the Youtube test footage. The 1-6 7.62x39 had issues and we pulled it, there is a 4X coming in that caliber. -Dimitri View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Will there be any more made calibrated for the 7.62x39? I found this link via google but I don't see it actually listed under "scopes" when I try and navigate there from your homepage: http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_6X_Scope_with_ACSS_7_62X39_300AAC_p/pa1-6xakser.htm Also, there is a lot of talk about the bdc being "right on." Keep in mind that altitude, humidity, and temperature will always have a notable affect when calculating drop compensation. BDC scopes are always a ballpark and hardly ever "right on." I live in Colorado Springs so the altitude alone winds up making my POI higher than where BDC scope is calibrated. Still, I like the BDC idea and own several BDC scopes from .22lr to 30-06. You just have to understand their limitations. Its why we provide exact dial in instructions for your particular barrel length, altitude and load. Look up range reports, guys are getting 1 round hits out to 800yards, also check out the Youtube test footage. The 1-6 7.62x39 had issues and we pulled it, there is a 4X coming in that caliber. -Dimitri Good to know, thanks. Shucks I really like the idea of the 1-6x more than the fixed 4x for my build. Are these dial-in instructions available over the internet? |
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Good to know, thanks. Shucks I really like the idea of the 1-6x more than the fixed 4x for my build. Are these dial-in instructions available over the internet? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Will there be any more made calibrated for the 7.62x39? I found this link via google but I don't see it actually listed under "scopes" when I try and navigate there from your homepage: http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_6X_Scope_with_ACSS_7_62X39_300AAC_p/pa1-6xakser.htm Also, there is a lot of talk about the bdc being "right on." Keep in mind that altitude, humidity, and temperature will always have a notable affect when calculating drop compensation. BDC scopes are always a ballpark and hardly ever "right on." I live in Colorado Springs so the altitude alone winds up making my POI higher than where BDC scope is calibrated. Still, I like the BDC idea and own several BDC scopes from .22lr to 30-06. You just have to understand their limitations. Its why we provide exact dial in instructions for your particular barrel length, altitude and load. Look up range reports, guys are getting 1 round hits out to 800yards, also check out the Youtube test footage. The 1-6 7.62x39 had issues and we pulled it, there is a 4X coming in that caliber. -Dimitri Good to know, thanks. Shucks I really like the idea of the 1-6x more than the fixed 4x for my build. Are these dial-in instructions available over the internet? They will be soon but I can help you know. What is your fps and elevation? -Dimitri |
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I've got the 1-6 gen 2 on my Tavor now which has a sight axis that is 3.75" above the bore, do I need to adjust where I zero it at 100 yards to make the BDC still line up perfectly?
Barrel length: 16" Ammo: M855 Elevation: sea level I went ahead and zeroed it at 100 yards last weekend but thought it would be worthwhile asking in case I need to adjust slightly next time out. |
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I've got the 1-6 gen 2 on my Tavor now which has a sight axis that is 3.75" above the bore, do I need to adjust where I zero it at 100 yards to make the BDC still line up perfectly? Barrel length: 16" Ammo: M855 Elevation: sea level I went ahead and zeroed it at 100 yards last weekend but thought it would be worthwhile asking in case I need to adjust slightly next time out. View Quote Dial .75" low at 100 -Dimitri |
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When and how many of these are coming in, and when will the one per household limit be gone?
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