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I have a question about the MD ADS vs the flip cap micro. I currently own the flip cap micro and it's great but I really wish it had a little better field of view. That little ring inside, which I think houses the LED, makes it a little smaller than it could be. Is the field of view better on the new MD-ADS? I know the difference is probably negligible, especially when you are shooting both eyes open, but I guess I am just nit-picky. View Quote The tube is a little bigger which some people prefer but if shooting with both eyes open both have a unlimited ford of view. |
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My first micro on the left painted brown purchased 5ish years ago and still rockin all the way to my latest micro on the far right. http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh300/eskamick/d48daf4d-a0d4-486a-9e44-ca19fdccc4a0.jpg View Quote Nice set ups! -Dimitri |
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Dimitri, for the next run, could you tell the manufacturer to relocate the text to the bottom portion just like before?
Maybe smaller font? Also, eliminate the two horizontal bars/protrusion thats on top and bottom of the text? It would be nice to have the same exterior of previous generation of micro dot for the aesthetics but with the new small emitter. IMHO the last generation of Micros looks better |
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Dimitri, for the next run, could you tell the manufacturer to relocate the text to the bottom portion just like before? Maybe smaller font? Also, eliminate the two horizontal bars/protrusion thats on top and bottom of the text? It would be nice to have the same exterior of previous generation of micro dot for the aesthetics but with the new small emitter. IMHO the last generation of Micros looks better View Quote I ll forward your comment to Marshall. Thank you for your input -Dimitri |
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So which of the PA red dots is the brightest?
that's my primary concern. |
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MD-ADS http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q664/manbearpack/P1000890_zpse07458b5.jpg?t=1413953893 View Quote Nice! Dimitri |
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do you have an ETA for the MD-RBGII?
how does one turn on and off the new MD-ADS? i love the advanced series [full size tube] turn on and off with the power button, would have loved the same function on a smaller rds like the above |
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do you have an ETA for the MD-RBGII? how does one turn on and off the new MD-ADS? i love the advanced series [full size tube] turn on and off with the power button, would have loved the same function on a smaller rds like the above View Quote Eta is listed on site, you turn off ADS by holding down both buttons at the same time. -Dimitri |
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do you have an ETA for the MD-RBGII? how does one turn on and off the new MD-ADS? i love the advanced series [full size tube] turn on and off with the power button, would have loved the same function on a smaller rds like the above View Quote Eta is listed on site, you turn off ADS by holding down both buttons at the same time. -Dimitri |
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Got my MD-ADS yesterday. Been checking it out today.
My biggest concern was brightness. I have an old PA 30mm red dot that I never used because it was insufficiently bright at mid day. this one though has to be at least twice as bright. It's right up there with my old m68. good stuff PA. I'm going to have to order more of these. |
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Got my MD-ADS yesterday. Been checking it out today. My biggest concern was brightness. I have an old PA 30mm red dot that I never used because it was insufficiently bright at mid day. this one though has to be at least twice as bright. It's right up there with my old m68. good stuff PA. I'm going to have to order more of these. View Quote Yeah the MD-ADS are great! -Dimitri |
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Here's my MD-ADS... http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/pabber/MD-ADS/20141025_151054_resized.jpg View Quote How is the fit of the IO cover on the MD-ADS? Can you still activate power settings easily thru the cover or did you modify it? |
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Dimitri, for the next run, could you tell the manufacturer to relocate the text to the bottom portion just like before? Maybe smaller font? Also, eliminate the two horizontal bars/protrusion thats on top and bottom of the text? It would be nice to have the same exterior of previous generation of micro dot for the aesthetics but with the new small emitter. IMHO the last generation of Micros looks better View Quote I agree 100%. I was just momentarily toying with the thought of filing off the ribs. I feel like the ribs give it a cheap look and the smaller text towards the bottom just fit well. I'll still likely buy one but would buy 2-3 if it looked more similar to the old version. Please do make these changes! |
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How is the fit of the IO cover on the MD-ADS? Can you still activate power settings easily thru the cover or did you modify it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here's my MD-ADS... http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/pabber/MD-ADS/20141025_151054_resized.jpg How is the fit of the IO cover on the MD-ADS? Can you still activate power settings easily thru the cover or did you modify it? I had to cut a slot into the top of the cover to accommodate the buttons. After you establish how much material you need to remove, insert a wooden dowel that is close to the O.D. of the MD-ADS into the cover. Then, pull down on the cover to obtain a tight fit onto the dowel. Use a razor knife to carefully make your cuts - the material is quite tough. BE CAREFUL NOT TO SLIP OFF OF THE COVER AND REMOVE ONE OF YOUR DIGITS. The cover will be a challenge to get on - try starting at the rear and work your way forward. I didn't bother trying to use scissors as the material is very flexible and I was concerned about not obtaining an accurate cut. The razor knife can be used to shave away an area that may not be straight... |
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I agree 100%. I was just momentarily toying with the thought of filing off the ribs. I feel like the ribs give it a cheap look and the smaller text towards the bottom just fit well. I'll still likely buy one but would buy 2-3 if it looked more similar to the old version. Please do make these changes! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dimitri, for the next run, could you tell the manufacturer to relocate the text to the bottom portion just like before? Maybe smaller font? Also, eliminate the two horizontal bars/protrusion thats on top and bottom of the text? It would be nice to have the same exterior of previous generation of micro dot for the aesthetics but with the new small emitter. IMHO the last generation of Micros looks better I agree 100%. I was just momentarily toying with the thought of filing off the ribs. I feel like the ribs give it a cheap look and the smaller text towards the bottom just fit well. I'll still likely buy one but would buy 2-3 if it looked more similar to the old version. Please do make these changes! I passed it along -D |
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Is it possible to get the low profile elevation/windage cover caps for the MD ADS?
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Not sure what you mean. The turret design would not allow for lower profile caps View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is it possible to get the low profile elevation/windage cover caps for the MD ADS? Not sure what you mean. The turret design would not allow for lower profile caps Ok, I mistakenly assumed that low profile caps like on the original Holosun could be used. Thanks! |
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Ok, I mistakenly assumed that low profile caps like on the original Holosun could be used. Thanks! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is it possible to get the low profile elevation/windage cover caps for the MD ADS? Not sure what you mean. The turret design would not allow for lower profile caps Ok, I mistakenly assumed that low profile caps like on the original Holosun could be used. Thanks! We went with a our turret design that has great water resistance. They have adopted the design for their new HS403G |
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No modifications were made to the top of the cover where the buttons are located. I did not do this because the buttons responded well even through the TD IO cover. The only modification I made was to enlarge the opening of the TD cover where the battery compartment is located. Simply put the cover on the optic (Be sure to remove the windage and elevation control covers along with the battery cover first). It's a little tight but it will fit. Once you have the cover on the optic, put the battery cover back on the optic. Take a pen or pencil and trace around the battery cover onto the TD cover. Remove the cover from the optic. Once you have the cover off, you will have a line on the TD cover that you can use as a guide to enlarge the opening. I've found that using a Dremel rotary tool with a sanding drum works best. I guess you could also use a small hobby knife, but you'd have to be really careful with it.
Link to my pics http://s36.photobucket.com/user/badger223/library/ |
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No modifications were made to the top of the cover where the buttons are located. I did not do this because the buttons responded well even through the TD IO cover. The only modification I made was to enlarge the opening of the TD cover where the battery compartment is located. Simply put the cover on the optic (Be sure to remove the windage and elevation control covers along with the battery cover first). It's a little tight but it will fit. Once you have the cover on the optic, put the battery cover back on the optic. Take a pen or pencil and trace around the battery cover onto the TD cover. Remove the cover from the optic. Once you have the cover off, you will have a line on the TD cover that you can use as a guide to enlarge the opening. I've found that using a Dremel rotary tool with a sanding drum works best. I guess you could also use a small hobby knife, but you'd have to be really careful with it. Link to my pics http://s36.photobucket.com/user/badger223/library/ View Quote Made you link hot http://s36.photobucket.com/user/badger223/library/ |
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OK. I modified a TD IO cover so that the top will fit around the optic buttons. So now you have a couple of options (I'm sure there are more). IMO the original modification that only involves modifying the TD IO cover to fit around the battery compartment of the MD-ADS Micro Red Dot is the way to go. When I cut the TD IO cover to fit around the optic control buttons it did not fit as tightly on the MD-ADS optic. It was time consuming and tedious. Your choice though !
Now about the MD-ADS optic. This is a major step up from previous optics. The dot is crisp and the glass does not have much of a tint to it. It is very clear. When looking through it, you cannot see the emitter, a BIG plus ! The button controls respond well, and the clicks are precise and audible. I'm not doing a torture test on mine, but with a 3 year warranty how can you go wrong for $169.00 ? Primary Arms offers premium products to their customers. Their customer service is second to none. Link to my pictures: http://s36.photobucket.com/user/badger223/library/ |
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MD-RGBII, MD-AD, MD-ADS.
I know the MD-RGBII is the newer MD-06. But I'm not 100% sure the difference between the MD-AD and the ADS/RGBII. I called CS and they just said there was a difference, not sure of what that difference was. Maybe you can shed light. It says ETA late Nov, early Dec so went ahead and placed the rest of my order to wait for this. |
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MD-RGBII, MD-AD, MD-ADS. I know the MD-RGBII is the newer MD-06. But I'm not 100% sure the difference between the MD-AD and the ADS/RGBII. I called CS and they just said there was a difference, not sure of what that difference was. Maybe you can shed light. It says ETA late Nov, early Dec so went ahead and placed the rest of my order to wait for this. View Quote The MD-AD and MD-RBGII are basically the same optic. The MD-AD does have extended lens housings which allow the flip up caps to fit properly. The MD-ADS has push button controls, a 50K hour battery life and a 3 year warranty, among other things. See the PA website for item specifics. It is very similar to the Holosun HS403G, but there are some minor differences . The MD-ADS does not have an Auto on feature, Parallax is different, PA has a 3 year warranty and is $30 less expensive). Oh one other thing, I don't think a Tango Down IO cover will fit on the MD-RBGII, due to the rounded housing shape on top of the optic. I could be wrong, but have not found a forum post indicating otherwise. I hope somebody proves me wrong ! The TD Cover will fit the MD-ADS optic with minor enlargement around the battery cover opening. See my prior postings and pics in this thread. I hope this helps ! Hey Marsh does PA have any plans for a Circle Dot RDS (or similar) in the works, something like the HS503C ? |
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The MD-AD and MD-RBGII are basically the same optic. The MD-AD does have extended lens housings which allow the flip up caps to fit properly. The MD-ADS has push button controls, a 50K hour battery life and a 3 year warranty, among other things. See the PA website for item specifics. It is very similar to the Holosun HS403G, but there are some minor differences . The MD-ADS does not have an Auto on feature, Parallax is different, PA has a 3 year warranty and is $30 less expensive). Oh one other thing, I don't think a Tango Down IO cover will fit on the MD-RBGII, due to the rounded housing shape on top of the optic. I could be wrong, but have not found a forum post indicating otherwise. I hope somebody proves me wrong ! The TD Cover will fit the MD-ADS optic with minor enlargement around the battery cover opening. See my prior postings and pics in this thread. I hope this helps ! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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MD-RGBII, MD-AD, MD-ADS. I know the MD-RGBII is the newer MD-06. But I'm not 100% sure the difference between the MD-AD and the ADS/RGBII. I called CS and they just said there was a difference, not sure of what that difference was. Maybe you can shed light. It says ETA late Nov, early Dec so went ahead and placed the rest of my order to wait for this. The MD-AD and MD-RBGII are basically the same optic. The MD-AD does have extended lens housings which allow the flip up caps to fit properly. The MD-ADS has push button controls, a 50K hour battery life and a 3 year warranty, among other things. See the PA website for item specifics. It is very similar to the Holosun HS403G, but there are some minor differences . The MD-ADS does not have an Auto on feature, Parallax is different, PA has a 3 year warranty and is $30 less expensive). Oh one other thing, I don't think a Tango Down IO cover will fit on the MD-RBGII, due to the rounded housing shape on top of the optic. I could be wrong, but have not found a forum post indicating otherwise. I hope somebody proves me wrong ! The TD Cover will fit the MD-ADS optic with minor enlargement around the battery cover opening. See my prior postings and pics in this thread. I hope this helps ! That does help, thanks. Debating on which to get still |
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I wanted to add a couple of notes to my prior comments. Regarding the Optics: The MD-ADS IMO has the best glass and internals when you compare it to the other PA Red Dots. The MD-ADS also has push-button controls for on\off\brightness vs a rotary dial on the MD-RBGII \ MD-AD models. Customer Service: I've been dealing with Primary Arms for just over a year now, and I will tell you (as others will) that their customer service is TOP NOTCH ! Their policy is to satisfy the customer. Research and purchase: I did my research on the 3 PA optics (Forum, YouTube, calls, e-mails, etc.), and I finally decided on the MD-ADS. I was looking at spending around $100 for an optic anyway, and about another $80 for a QD mount. Then I figured I'd bundle both together and get a $10 discount on the mount on the PA website. So I was at $170 plus shipping for the optic and a mount. But I started thinking about it, and I realized for only another $70, I could get a much better optic and a much better warranty. I do not regret spending that extra $70. As an added bonus, I know that if I have any problems down the road, Primary Arms "Has my 6". I hope this helps you with your decision.
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I wanted to add a couple of notes to my prior comments. Regarding the Optics: The MD-ADS IMO has the best glass and internals when you compare it to the other PA Red Dots. The MD-ADS also has push-button controls for on\off\brightness vs a rotary dial on the MD-RBGII \ MD-AD models. Customer Service: I've been dealing with Primary Arms for just over a year now, and I will tell you (as others will) that their customer service is TOP NOTCH ! Their policy is to satisfy the customer. Research and purchase: I did my research on the 3 PA optics (Forum, YouTube, calls, e-mails, etc.), and I finally decided on the MD-ADS. I was looking at spending around $100 for an optic anyway, and about another $80 for a QD mount. Then I figured I'd bundle both together and get a $10 discount on the mount on the PA website. So I was at $170 plus shipping for the optic and a mount. But I started thinking about it, and I realized for only another $70, I could get a much better optic and a much better warranty. I do not regret spending that extra $70. As an added bonus, I know that if I have any problems down the road, Primary Arms "Has my 6". I hope this helps you with your decision. View Quote Update: I tried to put a TD IO Cover on an MD-RBGII optic and was not able to get it to fit. I think the rounded top on the optic and the plastic eyepiece and objective lens covers were preventing it from sliding on easily. If you compare them to the MD-ADS, they are just a little bit longer, especially the rear cover. At this point I would still go with the MD-ADS optic. If the TD cover is not something that you need, and you want to save $70, then the MD-RBGII is an excellent choice. IMO, you cannot go wrong with either one. |
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Dimitri, for the next run, could you tell the manufacturer to relocate the text to the bottom portion just like before? Maybe smaller font? Also, eliminate the two horizontal bars/protrusion thats on top and bottom of the text? It would be nice to have the same exterior of previous generation of micro dot for the aesthetics but with the new small emitter. IMHO the last generation of Micros looks better View Quote Dimitri, I second losing the two horizontal ridges on the optic. I would also suggest that the top be flattened instead of rounded. And for those of us that like to put a TD IO cover on our optics, reduce the size of the cover for the rear glass. |
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Much smaller now <a href="http://s242.photobucket.com/user/ar15reloader/media/0168DD4B-80BD-4B38-8EC3-B3FBC5DBEBE9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/ar15reloader/0168DD4B-80BD-4B38-8EC3-B3FBC5DBEBE9.jpg</a> -Dimitri View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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On the new PA MD-RGBII (removable base) can you post a pic of the new lower emitter pic?? I have the older MD06 and the emitter is huge IMO.. Much smaller now <a href="http://s242.photobucket.com/user/ar15reloader/media/0168DD4B-80BD-4B38-8EC3-B3FBC5DBEBE9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/ar15reloader/0168DD4B-80BD-4B38-8EC3-B3FBC5DBEBE9.jpg</a> -Dimitri This is a very nice red dot. Was wondering for the next gen if you can (1) Not put the ridges on the left side of the optic (2) Flatten the top (3) Reduce the size of the eyepiece cover. I like TD IO covers on my optics, the ridges are not a show stopper, but the elongated eyepiece cover and the rounded top prevents a TD IO cover from fitting. Please reduce the spring tension on the dial, as the one I own has some degree of resistance. Great job on the MD-ADS optic. Best on the market !! |
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The main thing that has kept me from buying one of the new optics is the two ridge lines down the side of the unit and how big the Primary Arms log is.
I would much prefer those two ridge lines gone and the PA markings to be relocated to the spot it was on the old Micro's. Would also be nice if they could rework the shape a bit to accept the IO cover but that one wasn't a deal breaker for me. Honestly my favorite one this far was the MD-06 model. I was all set to buy a couple more of them when I found out you had discontinued them and I didn't like the new ones so I've been holding off. For me the perfect model would be something closer to the look of the old MD-06, still using the mechanical turn knob but with the logic board that allows 50,000 hours. I really don't like those push buttons but the battery life would ROCK! I would like to just be able to put in one battery, turn it on to my ideal base brightness and leave it on for 5 years like people who own Aimpoints! Always on, always ready to go! :) |
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Ordered a fixed base micro for my 10/22 today. I'm excited to see how the quality compared to the older PA micros I had.
I might try an ADS for my Mossberg 500 if this one is decent. |
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What is the recommended torque for the fixed based micro? I'm guessing around 10-15 in/lbs?!
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Any one know what screws the microdots use? My microdot that I bought a few years ago lost two screws.
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I posted a side-by-side picture that might be of interest here.
Side-by-side pic Aimpoint T1 and PA MD-ADS |
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I have a MD-FBGll laying around and was wondering if it would hold up to the recoil of a .450 Marlin? It looks good on a scout rail, but somewhat hesitant to shoot it.
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I've had my MD-RBGII for a couple of months now and I've been meaning to ask why was there a small dot of silicone rtv under the sight where it gets screwed into the mount? I took it off and was wondering if it was there for a reason.
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I've had my MD-RBGII for a couple of months now and I've been meaning to ask why was there a small dot of silicone rtv under the sight where it gets screwed into the mount? I took it off and was wondering if it was there for a reason. View Quote It covers the plug where they are nitrogen purged |
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Anyone know what riser/height works with a Tavor with the stock sights to allow co witness or lower 1/3
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I was was thinking about maybe having a smith mount a MD-ADS to a Glock 19 slide.
From What I have seen I think it will hold up fine, but was wondering if I should? You guys at PA know more about the sight then I do. Is there any reason why I shouldn't? the pistol would be used for fun gunning. |
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