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Posted: 8/1/2013 10:25:07 PM EDT
Their cnc department has lost a lot of staff to other companies and they lost their QC and ar techs to rguns.
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Their cnc department has lost a lot of staff to other companies and they lost their QC and ar techs to rguns. View Quote OHHHHHHHHHHHHH ROCKY you got us good this time Yes you are correct but misinformed yet again HERE IS THE TRUTH We lost 3 guys out of the 40 we had at the time to Rguns over a year and a half ago Our former QC and our AR tech. We have 25% more employees since these guys left a over a year ago. We now have a true QC guy and have for over a year, our last QC guy was not really best suited for that role he was more of an engineer. Or former lead AR tech was a more of a pistol trigger job guy not a large scale AR builder or manager. Back when we were a very small FAL company they were a good fit but they struggled to be able to adapt to all we are doing, hiring new people, buying more machines, taking on larger orders, M4/AR15, FAL, RPD, M203, US DoD parts manufacturing and the QC and regs that go with these sales. IDK who you are or where you get your rumors from and while tid bits of this is true it had zero affect on us, actually because they left it opened new doors for people here and we have produced much more since they left and better quality as well. As for CNC those guys float everywhere you must not know much about manufacturing or you would already know this. We have lead CNC managers that have been here for years actually over 50% of our CNC staff have been here for over 3 years or more. Yes we lose new guys but we also fire new guys when they cant perform. We have US DoD contracts for the selector ambi switch and the M4 bolt carrier we can only have good machinist on staff. This is also why we had to get a more in depth QC department. Rocky everyone here knows your a childish DSA hater and no one seems to care that you dedicate so much time to this I think most people know you have nothing better to do and don't care what you say so just go away and stop being a little rumor spreader. |
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"Some members have asked what components of the ZM4 rifles are manfactured at DSA. We make most of the rifle in house at our two plants. The remaining parts are unlikely to be made by us in the near future. We buy springs(all companies do) and most of the stampings, pins/screws, bolts and hand guards.
THIS IS A COMPLETE LIST. If you do not see it on here, we do not make it at our own place. That said, we do have stamping houses and plastic molders that we are partners with that make stuff just for us. Of course we buy raw materials like upper and lower forgings to machine into a finished part, but because its just material at that point it is on this list. lower receiver (we haven’t used LMT since fall of 2008) upper receiver buffer tube buffer lock ring hammer trigger bolt catch M4 stock (we own the tooling and mold like most companies) M4 stock metal barrels( processed, fluted, etc., we buy the blanks and profiled barrels as well like most companies) buffer detent take down detents take down pin pivot pin trigger/hammer pins front sight front detent delta ring barrel nut front sight tower gas tube forward assist charging handle cam pin windage knob windage screw elevation knob carriers in light production We do supply many manufactures and are wanting to supply more, but cannot release the names of the companies as per their wishes. Thank you! DSA" lies |
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"Some members have asked what components of the ZM4 rifles are manfactured at DSA. We make most of the rifle in house at our two plants. The remaining parts are unlikely to be made by us in the near future. We buy springs(all companies do) and most of the stampings, pins/screws, bolts and hand guards. THIS IS A COMPLETE LIST. If you do not see it on here, we do not make it at our own place. That said, we do have stamping houses and plastic molders that we are partners with that make stuff just for us. Of course we buy raw materials like upper and lower forgings to machine into a finished part, but because its just material at that point it is on this list. lower receiver (we haven’t used LMT since fall of 2008) upper receiver buffer tube buffer lock ring hammer trigger bolt catch M4 stock (we own the tooling and mold like most companies) M4 stock metal barrels( processed, fluted, etc., we buy the blanks and profiled barrels as well like most companies) buffer detent take down detents take down pin pivot pin trigger/hammer pins front sight front detent delta ring barrel nut front sight tower gas tube forward assist charging handle cam pin windage knob windage screw elevation knob carriers in light production We do supply many manufactures and are wanting to supply more, but cannot release the names of the companies as per their wishes. Thank you! DSA" lies View Quote Some parts we no longer manufacture because it was not worth it, it is easier to just buy them the following items we no longer manufacture in house or at one of out sister plants or at one of our subcontractors barrel nut delta ring but we do manufacture our enhanced delta ring We also have been buying LPKs because its easier, it frees up machines and it only cost us a few dollars more to just buy them. HERE ARE SOME UPDATES TO THE LIST We also are now in full production of bolts and carriers and BCG small parts We also are now in full production manufacture gas tubes We also now manufacture a forged steel charging handle We also are now in full production of the forward assist What I mean by full production is that we are in large scale production of these parts for OEM sales along with our own sales. Thanks |
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doesn't Fox Machine & Tool Inc of elk grove village make the charging handles now?
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"Some members have asked what components of the ZM4 rifles are manfactured at DSA. We make most of the rifle in house at our two plants. The remaining parts are unlikely to be made by us in the near future. We buy springs(all companies do) and most of the stampings, pins/screws, bolts and hand guards. THIS IS A COMPLETE LIST. If you do not see it on here, we do not make it at our own place. That said, we do have stamping houses and plastic molders that we are partners with that make stuff just for us. Of course we buy raw materials like upper and lower forgings to machine into a finished part, but because its just material at that point it is on this list. lower receiver (we haven’t used LMT since fall of 2008) upper receiver buffer tube buffer lock ring hammer trigger bolt catch M4 stock (we own the tooling and mold like most companies) M4 stock metal barrels( processed, fluted, etc., we buy the blanks and profiled barrels as well like most companies) buffer detent take down detents take down pin pivot pin trigger/hammer pins front sight front detent delta ring barrel nut front sight tower gas tube forward assist charging handle cam pin windage knob windage screw elevation knob carriers in light production We do supply many manufactures and are wanting to supply more, but cannot release the names of the companies as per their wishes. Thank you! DSA" lies View Quote Some parts we no longer manufacture because it was not worth it, it is easier to just buy them the following items we no longer manufacture in house or at one of out sister plants or at one of our subcontractors barrel nut delta ring but we do manufacture our enhanced delta ring We also have been buying LPKs because its easier, it frees up machines and it only cost us a few dollars more to just buy them. HERE ARE SOME UPDATES TO THE LIST We also are now in full production of bolts and carriers and BCG small parts We also are now in full production manufacture gas tubes We also now manufacture a forged steel charging handle We also are now in full production of the forward assist What I mean by full production is that we are in large scale production of these parts for OEM sales along with our own sales. Thanks View Quote |
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NO that is incorrect and has never been correct, we make them in house and at a sub with OUR LOANED TOOLING when we do not have machine capacity in house. We machine the alloy and forged steel in house and the alloy at subs when we cannot keep up.
Also we do not release a sub or partnership name to the general public, and posts that state names will be edited. Many subs do not want thier name and that they make gun parts released if possible this is largely due to security reasons. Thanks |
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Thanks for the great products guys. I'm patiently waiting for my M4 upper I ordered on Feb. 1st
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Quoted: Thanks for the great products guys. I'm patiently waiting for my M4 upper I ordered on Feb. 1st View Quote I'm just waiting on my trigger group from May....the group I have is pretty nice but I have a feeling I'll prefer the DSA set. |
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can you update what parts dsa manufacture is house in Barrington, IL?
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I would love to, but that list would have to undated too often as we are flexible in our machining and some jobs that run here may get run somewhere else on our tooling or new tooling if we lack capacity. We have 15 CNC centers in our main plant in Lake Barrington. Also keep in mind we have off site manufacting capacity under a DSA type 10 FFL and type 07 FFL, along with this we have a manufacturing partnership at anouther site, and then we have the standard job shops, and subcontractors that manufacture for us to our specs. Also many items are manufactured to a certain point here and finished elsewhere and vise versa. So I guess we have to ask what does in house mean? If it means everything then no one manufactures in house unless they own their own foundry, heat treat and anodizing equipment etc......
Some things that never get made here are Springs Stamping Plastics Really this all means nothing without quality control. Just because you make it yourself does not mean its any good. So post this really mean little, if it meant anything then BCM products would suck; but they don't, do they? Why?, Because they are made for BCM to their spec and made right and at the end of the day that is really what matters. The only down side to this approach is that the margins are low because of too many middle men involved in the manufacturing and because of this their products will always cost more. Thanks |
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true i'm asking what parts are being machined in house.
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I would love to, but that list would have to undated too often as we are flexible in our machining and some jobs that run here may get run somewhere else on our tooling or new tooling if we lack capacity. We have 15 CNC centers in our main plant in Lake Barrington. Also keep in mind we have off site manufacting capacity under a DSA type 10 FFL and type 07 FFL, along with this we have a manufacturing partnership at anouther site, and then we have the standard job shops, and subcontractors that manufacture for us to our specs. Also many items are manufactured to a certain point here and finished elsewhere and vise versa. So I guess we have to ask what does in house mean? If it means everything then no one manufactures in house unless they own their own foundry, heat treat and anodizing equipment etc...... Some things that never get made here are Springs Stamping Plastics Really this all means nothing without quality control. Just because you make it yourself does not mean its any good. So post this really mean little, if it meant anything then BCM products would suck; but they don't, do they? Why?, Because they are made for BCM to their spec and made right and at the end of the day that is really what matters. The only down side to this approach is that the margins are low because of too many middle men involved in the manufacturing and because of this their products will always cost more. Thanks View Quote |
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Like right now today? Well what I saw today just walking through were FAL uppers, M4 uppers, M4 Selectors for the DoD, FAL Para bolt Carriers, RPD semi and full alloy carbine lowers, AR15 barrel fluting, and I think I saw FAL extractors, there were also lots of parts on the old Bridgeport mills. This changes ever few days so I don't get why you are pushing on this? We do parts in large batches some we only do once a year. Some FAL parts are only done ever 3-4 years because we only do them in a huge lots for the best price on heat treat etc......
Thanks for the questions but that's enough of this go ask the other manufactures on this forum most make nothing, buy from us or lie about it and like I said it doesn't matter if they do or not it matters what they sell. Its like your trying to bait us or something. Or maybe you should go on some tours if you can to firearms manufactures? If you tour SW its awesome tour Kimber and its work benches and like I have said over and over that is fine if the parts and guns are good. Hell even Colt is largely assembling and that the right choice for them to do that. I said we manufacture in house. We have a DSA offsite with our employees and Class 07 and 10 FFLs there, does that count to you because it does to Ruger for example? We also bought into a partnership since this is DSA partner company does that count to you because it does to Colt for example? They make guns and parts in several locations just like we do. I also stated we use job shops and subcontractors to have parts made to our specs just like many manufactures. Thanks again and bye |
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You'll love it!! It's a well machined, well finished upper. They are worth the wait! I'm just waiting on my trigger group from May....the group I have is pretty nice but I have a feeling I'll prefer the DSA set. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks for the great products guys. I'm patiently waiting for my M4 upper I ordered on Feb. 1st I'm just waiting on my trigger group from May....the group I have is pretty nice but I have a feeling I'll prefer the DSA set. Charged my card yesterday. Should be any day now. |
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And you might want to go count your cnc units again. It's more like 11.
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I would love to, but that list would have to undated too often as we are flexible in our machining and some jobs that run here may get run somewhere else on our tooling or new tooling if we lack capacity. We have 15 CNC centers in our main plant in Lake Barrington. Also keep in mind we have off site manufacting capacity under a DSA type 10 FFL and type 07 FFL, along with this we have a manufacturing partnership at anouther site, and then we have the standard job shops, and subcontractors that manufacture for us to our specs. Also many items are manufactured to a certain point here and finished elsewhere and vise versa. So I guess we have to ask what does in house mean? If it means everything then no one manufactures in house unless they own their own foundry, heat treat and anodizing equipment etc...... Some things that never get made here are Springs Stamping Plastics Really this all means nothing without quality control. Just because you make it yourself does not mean its any good. So post this really mean little, if it meant anything then BCM products would suck; but they don't, do they? Why?, Because they are made for BCM to their spec and made right and at the end of the day that is really what matters. The only down side to this approach is that the margins are low because of too many middle men involved in the manufacturing and because of this their products will always cost more. Thanks View Quote |
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You have cameras in our building so you working with the NSA? I think you are not from Texas and a former loser employee, who was there when we had less machines. Go and open another 13er account because you are banned in the DSA forum for being a DSA only hater. You are not here to ask questions about products or a current order you have. Its very apparent what your intentions are here and it to sling mud at us because you are disgruntle. Members here can see this and they don't care.
mbf11 please ban this hater hes a waste of space with all kinds of false information and rumors that he is trying to spread around in our own forum. |
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you have 11 cnc. 3 hass vf, 6 hass ec-400, 1 hass ec-300, and a kitamura. whats wrong just be truthful with your customers.
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At one time that was correct yes yet again more old info I think everyone now knows who you are and why you post here and no where else on AR15.com
thanks and bye for good |
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Who the hell is Bobrip?
DSArms_FAl should tell him to go to! What he is asking for is company secret info that does not need to be disclosed to him or anyone else. Only an uninformed person expects a company to make all of the products they sell. Hell, Ford doesn't make all the parts it puts into their cars. What a company does is spec the products it purchases from vendors to assure the stuff meets their standards. The finished product is what you should judge. Do you think Colt makes all of the parts that go into an M16? HELL NO. And to what extent is a part really considered made by a company? Does a company have to mine and refine the ore, smelt the steel, etc. to be considered "made" by the company? Bobrip, are you really from Texas? I would think not. You appear to be an ex-employee or someone with an ax to grind. You know too much about DSA to be an outsider. AR15.com should verify your identity. |
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ive got a nice nitride 16 inch upper from dsa.. I do have an 11 inch upper on order from june 2012 that im wondering if i'll ever see though op really must have got his ass fired from dsa
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Thanks for all the support and kind words guys!!!
Thanks, Mike DS Arms |
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you have 11 cnc. 3 hass vf, 6 hass ec-400, 1 hass ec-300, and a kitamura. whats wrong just be truthful with your customers. View Quote So what is your beef with DSArms? What does a dispute like this (even assuming you had the best info) have to do with DSArms and their interaction with their customers? Why does crapping all over their industry forum further your goals? Is it possible your information is dated, and you really don't have much specific inisght? In that case aren't you actually doing a disservice to DSArms and their clients by spouting information that is a) not overly germane and b) outdated anyway? Most of the detail you are espousing is stuff that is absolutely noise in the grand scheme of consumer decisions. I am not a DSArms fanboi by any stretch, but I have had good experience with both the delivery time and quality of their products. I am very happy we have companies who are expanding manufacturing in this country and provided sought after products at perfectly competitive prices. I also couldn't care less how many CNC machines they have, or who made them. What I care about first and foremost is quality and price. I also care that they have people on here responding to a wide array of concerns. -shooter |
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I work for a company with an extensive array of CNC machines. We use them to produce rather large PLC- based machines and tooling for our customers. I have been there- lets just say a long time. I have seen turnover, turmoil, etc. Every business goes through issues from time to time. We outsource certain items because it is the most sensible thing to do. I interact with those vendors often and have great respect for them. We have always maintained a superior product allowing us to prosper and survive- even when the times were tough. I've watched many skilled, fantastic people leave and retire. I've watched many skilled people join our company.
I only own one thing from DSArms. Not a cheap one either. I could not have been happier from my dealing with them on the phone and the product- and I am hard to please. I expect attention to detail and care about the little things that half of the people on ARFCOM do not. When I read the posts here I must admit it really makes those trying to sir the pot look silly to the savvy, informed reader. Hell- even 13'ers can recognize a shill account or a pot stirrer when they see one (well some of them ). Funny thing is posts like those above often have the opposite effect of the posting intention. I am headed to the website to see what's new. Will I buy something today- no. Next week, no. But the next time I have a hankering for something I will be looking at DSArms products. |
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Quoted: Thanks for all the support and kind words guys!!! Thanks, Mike DS Arms View Quote If you guys made bad stuff I can guarantee I'd have peeped up by now. Just keep up the good work and always strive for continuous improvement!!! |
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I would have to say this is one of the most forthcoming lists I have ever seen a manufacture give out. I have a DSA FAL receiver, now I want to get a DSA AR upper just because.
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