 vm1970
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Posted: 2/24/2012 2:43:46 PM
Come on guys,I have done business with you for years.I tried to order a few things for a new AR build today one of the items was a Magpul MIAD pistol grip when I went to checkout it says it cannot ship to Ct.
I know we have some strange gun laws here in Ct but Pistol grips are legal! Between the high cost of shipping and now this incident with the pistol grip, CTD is literally telling me they do not want my business. |
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Enigma102083
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Posted: 2/24/2012 2:50:19 PM
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Come on guys,I have done business with you for years.I tried to order a few things for a new AR build today one of the items was a Magpul MIAD pistol grip when I went to checkout it says it cannot ship to Ct. I know we have some strange gun laws here in Ct but Pistol grips are legal! Between the high cost of shipping and now this incident with the pistol grip, CTD is literally telling me they do not want my business. Are they legal in your local municipality? Is there any municipality within CT that they are illegal in? Are you saying you're more aware than the team of guys they have no other job than to work with a team of lawyers to determine liability for every municipality everywhere? |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 3:07:44 PM
Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Come on guys,I have done business with you for years.I tried to order a few things for a new AR build today one of the items was a Magpul MIAD pistol grip when I went to checkout it says it cannot ship to Ct. I know we have some strange gun laws here in Ct but Pistol grips are legal! Between the high cost of shipping and now this incident with the pistol grip, CTD is literally telling me they do not want my business. Are they legal in your local municipality? Is there any municipality within CT that they are illegal in? Are you saying you're more aware than the team of guys they have no other job than to work with a team of lawyers to determine liability for every municipality everywhere? Yes I am saying I know more about the Ct AWB ban than CTD. What CTD is doing is saying that because there is a AWB in Ct that they will not ship certain parts to Ct.(Which is bullshit) . They are playing it safe I guess instead of doing there homework.While the combination of certain features on a rifle can make a Assault Weapon in Ct thus making the rifle illegal,it should be up to the owner/builder of the rifle to adhere to Ct law. If CTD knew Ct law they would know that,since everyother internet retailer will sell parts to Ct residents CTD continues to lag far behind. As for firearms they will not even sell a Remington 700 to Ct residents.A plain old vanilla bolt action rifle.Why because they refuse to do any legwork whatsoever they choose to take the path of least resistance. Enigma, I dont know what state your in but look up the Ct AWB it is pretty straight forward and does not say that pistol grips are illegal |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 3:21:19 PM
The OP is correct. CTD will not ship PGs or shoulder stocks to CT. Some other companies will not ship rifles at all.  |
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Enigma102083
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Posted: 2/24/2012 3:30:35 PM
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Come on guys,I have done business with you for years.I tried to order a few things for a new AR build today one of the items was a Magpul MIAD pistol grip when I went to checkout it says it cannot ship to Ct. I know we have some strange gun laws here in Ct but Pistol grips are legal! Between the high cost of shipping and now this incident with the pistol grip, CTD is literally telling me they do not want my business. Are they legal in your local municipality? Is there any municipality within CT that they are illegal in? Are you saying you're more aware than the team of guys they have no other job than to work with a team of lawyers to determine liability for every municipality everywhere? Yes I am saying I know more about the Ct AWB ban than CTD. What CTD is doing is saying that because there is a AWB in Ct that they will not ship certain parts to Ct.(Which is bullshit) . They are playing it safe I guess instead of doing there homework.While the combination of certain features on a rifle can make a Assault Weapon in Ct thus making the rifle illegal,it should be up to the owner/builder of the rifle to adhere to Ct law. If CTD knew Ct law they would know that,since everyother internet retailer will sell parts to Ct residents CTD continues to lag far behind. As for firearms they will not even sell a Remington 700 to Ct residents.A plain old vanilla bolt action rifle.Why because they refuse to do any legwork whatsoever they choose to take the path of least resistance. Enigma, I dont know what state your in but look up the Ct AWB it is pretty straight forward and does not say that pistol grips are illegal I've gone rounds about this with CTD before with one of their employees (he's actually a member here) and it's not about legwork, it's about liability. They have a department that has only one job, and that's looking at all the little regulations and legal requirements for all the states, counties, cities and incorporated developments. They work with lawyers to look at all these regulations and compare them to case-law and legal precedent and what not, then decide how much legal liability would be on them for each of the various products they sell, if they were sold to those places. Guess what, they came to a decision that there would be too much legal liability incurred on them if they sold a MAID grip to someone in CT. So that's that. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 3:48:12 PM
I understand that's that,not looking to convince them to change there policy.But between the price of shipping complaining about there excessive shipping costs and now this I will just go else where.No skin off my nose,just venting to CTD. Funny thing is they shipped me a MIAD last year for a build I did so I guess something on their end changed. Not to worry though order the MIAD from somewhere else it will be on my doorstep by Wed.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 3:59:06 PM
Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Come on guys,I have done business with you for years.I tried to order a few things for a new AR build today one of the items was a Magpul MIAD pistol grip when I went to checkout it says it cannot ship to Ct. I know we have some strange gun laws here in Ct but Pistol grips are legal! Between the high cost of shipping and now this incident with the pistol grip, CTD is literally telling me they do not want my business. Are they legal in your local municipality? Is there any municipality within CT that they are illegal in? Are you saying you're more aware than the team of guys they have no other job than to work with a team of lawyers to determine liability for every municipality everywhere? I never understood the liability thing. There's several reputable sites that will sell me M16 fire control parts including an auto sear. Wouldn't any liability fall solely on me? |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:37:21 PM
Move to a free state. We have plenty of land, cheap houses, and actual jobs in Texas. No state income tax either.
Gig 'em, backbencher |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:46:47 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 5:04:11 PM by AlC08]
Enigma102083 care to explain what possible liability may come from a pistol grip...
It is more realistic that CTD is not sure of what the law is and are playing it safe. Also, unless you were being sarcastic I find it hard to believe CTD has done any type of legal research with a competent attorney. What case law is there on anything even similar in CT? BTW torts do not result in binding case law... |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:59:19 PM
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Move to a free state. We have plenty of land, cheap houses, and actual jobs in Texas. No state income tax either. Gig 'em, backbencher I came from a free state and I am working like hell to get back to one.I just need to convince the wife |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 5:01:38 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 5:02:29 PM by AlC08]
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Posted: 2/24/2012 6:16:15 PM
[Last Edit: 2/27/2012 10:58:40 AM by CheaperThanDirt]
I've forwarded this thread to our restrictions guy and will give you guys an explanation Monday.
EDIT: And here it is, straight from "restrictions guy": Our restrictions team (just me) is well aware of CT’s laws. I’ve even gone so far as to give a presentation to the CEO and COO of our company, specifically to try to get them to change their minds about selling “AWB” items to CT and other states. They listened, consulted with the company lawyers, and came back with a unanimous “No.” So, it is a matter of us playing it safe, but not lieu of doing our (my) homework. Sorry, but I don’t make the policies around here. I do research, present and explain ALL information to my superiors, and follow/enforce the resulting policies. I also respect their decisions on issues like these. I can’t say that I would do things differently at all if it were my company. As for not sending a bolt action rifle to CT: it is not logistically possible for us to comply with the mandatory waiting period before purchasing long guns. It’s never because our restrictions team (just me) is too lazy or we (I) “refuse to do any legwork whatsoever.” We are working on this issue though. Also, backbencher is correct: we do have plenty of land to share around here. You’d also have my personal support if you were to try to change the silly, frustrating, and counter-productive laws. |
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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:04:11 AM
Originally Posted By CheaperThanDirt:
I've forwarded this thread to our restrictions guy and will give you guys an explanation Monday. EDIT: And here it is, straight from "restrictions guy": Our restrictions team (just me) is well aware of CT’s laws. I’ve even gone so far as to give a presentation to the CEO and COO of our company, specifically to try to get them to change their minds about selling “AWB” items to CT and other states. They listened, consulted with the company lawyers, and came back with a unanimous “No.” So, it is a matter of us playing it safe, but not lieu of doing our (my) homework. Sorry, but I don’t make the policies around here. I do research, present and explain ALL information to my superiors, and follow/enforce the resulting policies. I also respect their decisions on issues like these. I can’t say that I would do things differently at all if it were my company. As for not sending a bolt action rifle to CT: it is not logistically possible for us to comply with the mandatory waiting period before purchasing long guns. It’s never because our restrictions team (just me) is too lazy or we (I) “refuse to do any legwork whatsoever.” We are working on this issue though. Also, backbencher is correct: we do have plenty of land to share around here. You’d also have my personal support if you were to try to change the silly, frustrating, and counter-productive laws. If CTD wants to "play it safe" with AWB features fine by me I can respect that I don't agree with it and believe your company is wrong. I guess all the other company's that ship to Ct are wild and crazy. Now regarding your comment about the bolt action rifle.You have just proven to me that your compliance dept does not know Ct law. Here in Ct if you have a a Ct Pistol permit there is no waiting period to get a long gun.Plain and simple. I have purchased various rifles and pistols from other online retailers had them sent to my FFL and picked them up on the same day. No fuss no muss. If a individual does not have a valid Ct pistol permit why do you care if it takes 14 days for them to pick it up. They have already paid for it. So when they pick it up it sits at there FFL shop for 2 weeks big deal. As long as the firearm is legal to own in the state it should not matter to you that it takes 2 weeks for the customer to pick it up. |
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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:08:04 AM
I would love to change the laws of this state ..unfortunately the libtards and section 8'ers have me outvoted 20-1. Like I said in a earlier post I would love to move back to a warm weathered red state.
Till that day comes I will continue to fight the good fight in this liberal limbo they call conneticutt. |
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Enigma102083
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Posted: 3/2/2012 1:16:32 AM
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Originally Posted By CheaperThanDirt:
I've forwarded this thread to our restrictions guy and will give you guys an explanation Monday. EDIT: And here it is, straight from "restrictions guy": Our restrictions team (just me) is well aware of CT’s laws. I’ve even gone so far as to give a presentation to the CEO and COO of our company, specifically to try to get them to change their minds about selling “AWB” items to CT and other states. They listened, consulted with the company lawyers, and came back with a unanimous “No.” So, it is a matter of us playing it safe, but not lieu of doing our (my) homework. Sorry, but I don’t make the policies around here. I do research, present and explain ALL information to my superiors, and follow/enforce the resulting policies. I also respect their decisions on issues like these. I can’t say that I would do things differently at all if it were my company. As for not sending a bolt action rifle to CT: it is not logistically possible for us to comply with the mandatory waiting period before purchasing long guns. It’s never because our restrictions team (just me) is too lazy or we (I) “refuse to do any legwork whatsoever.” We are working on this issue though. Also, backbencher is correct: we do have plenty of land to share around here. You’d also have my personal support if you were to try to change the silly, frustrating, and counter-productive laws. If CTD wants to "play it safe" with AWB features fine by me I can respect that I don't agree with it and believe your company is wrong. I guess all the other company's that ship to Ct are wild and crazy. Now regarding your comment about the bolt action rifle.You have just proven to me that your compliance dept does not know Ct law. Here in Ct if you have a a Ct Pistol permit there is no waiting period to get a long gun.Plain and simple. I have purchased various rifles and pistols from other online retailers had them sent to my FFL and picked them up on the same day. No fuss no muss. If a individual does not have a valid Ct pistol permit why do you care if it takes 14 days for them to pick it up. They have already paid for it. So when they pick it up it sits at there FFL shop for 2 weeks big deal. As long as the firearm is legal to own in the state it should not matter to you that it takes 2 weeks for the customer to pick it up. Because their lawyers know that if someone does something stupid some hot shot DA in CT might try and file charges against CTD. |
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Posted: 4/6/2012 7:27:02 PM
Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
Originally Posted By vm1970:
Originally Posted By CheaperThanDirt:
I've forwarded this thread to our restrictions guy and will give you guys an explanation Monday. EDIT: And here it is, straight from "restrictions guy": Our restrictions team (just me) is well aware of CT’s laws. I’ve even gone so far as to give a presentation to the CEO and COO of our company, specifically to try to get them to change their minds about selling “AWB” items to CT and other states. They listened, consulted with the company lawyers, and came back with a unanimous “No.” So, it is a matter of us playing it safe, but not lieu of doing our (my) homework. Sorry, but I don’t make the policies around here. I do research, present and explain ALL information to my superiors, and follow/enforce the resulting policies. I also respect their decisions on issues like these. I can’t say that I would do things differently at all if it were my company. As for not sending a bolt action rifle to CT: it is not logistically possible for us to comply with the mandatory waiting period before purchasing long guns. It’s never because our restrictions team (just me) is too lazy or we (I) “refuse to do any legwork whatsoever.” We are working on this issue though. Also, backbencher is correct: we do have plenty of land to share around here. You’d also have my personal support if you were to try to change the silly, frustrating, and counter-productive laws. If CTD wants to "play it safe" with AWB features fine by me I can respect that I don't agree with it and believe your company is wrong. I guess all the other company's that ship to Ct are wild and crazy. Now regarding your comment about the bolt action rifle.You have just proven to me that your compliance dept does not know Ct law. Here in Ct if you have a a Ct Pistol permit there is no waiting period to get a long gun.Plain and simple. I have purchased various rifles and pistols from other online retailers had them sent to my FFL and picked them up on the same day. No fuss no muss. If a individual does not have a valid Ct pistol permit why do you care if it takes 14 days for them to pick it up. They have already paid for it. So when they pick it up it sits at there FFL shop for 2 weeks big deal. As long as the firearm is legal to own in the state it should not matter to you that it takes 2 weeks for the customer to pick it up. Because their lawyers know that if someone does something stupid some hot shot DA in CT might try and file charges against CTD. What a cop out response. Let's take a look and see if what you are recommending has ever happened. So here is a real example. In NY and CT you can own Preban guns so a collapsible stock, pistol grip etc is legal if placed on a Preban gun. With that said CTD or any other manufacturer would have no knowledge as to the buyers intent. If I want to buy 6000 rifle stocks to store in my house I can, but when it is is attached to a post ban gun I am breaking the law (NY does not have a constructive intent provision despite what CTD has said in previous threads). Therefore the responsibility is on the purchaser to know what is legal and CTD would sell under the assumption that the end user is following the letter and the spirit of the law within their municipality. This is why I choose to shop with Midway and brownells. Better prices with my dealer discount and no BS |
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Posted: 4/7/2012 8:36:41 AM
Obviously something is going on a CTD , till they get there act together I will just spend my money somewhere else. Between this issue and there shipping costs they are not making any new friends...and losing old ones. Time will tell.
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