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In most cases PTAC barrels are 4140 instead of 4150 and phosphate finished instead of nitride. Again, this is all (usually) spelled out in the descriptions of the products. View Quote |
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[#2]
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The last two I ordered are indentical to the freedom uppers I've ordered. Both nitride, and same barrel specs as well. That's what makes it confusing. There are no differences in the overall specs between the two lines, so why does one cost more. That's what we have been trying to get psa to answer. They locked the last thread where people were posting pictures of the different barrels and asking what the difference was. They don't want to answer for some reason. View Quote |
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[#3]
other than CHF FN prodcued, and CHF others, whats the difference of any of them hasnt been answered.
i dont forsee an answer either. |
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[#5]
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I agree. It sucks, but it is what it is. View Quote The fact is that while sometimes buying from them can be a crap shoot, most of the time you get good quality to cost. Better than most. For this reason people will keep flocking to them no matter how transparent they are or are not with their products. I ordered one of their "freedom" keymod middies about a month ago and didn't know what to expect. For $260.00 beater I wasn't too worried. Turned out to be very solid and a perfect match to my lower. I'm extremely pleased, and yeah, will probably buy another one down the road. |
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well, and perhaps im speakign for my self here, I've never worried that what i buy from PSA will be sturdy dependable kit. I have also had teh experience so far that that is exactly the situation. From PTAC to CHF FN produced barreles/uppers ive never had an issue. they make great stuff. All across the board.
The purpose of the other thread, was to help define their tiers, and to inform us the consumers with accurate labeling on the vairous offered items. This would assist not only the new purchaser, but the old timer whos bought many things from them in the past, to the guy who's picking up something used, without knowing the specs from when th rifle / upper was new. Alas, this wasnt to be, as we've found out because of these threads, it appears there is very little to visually show the difference between the tiers, and to some that is disturbing. All of that is said to say, for me anyways, if its a rifle im going to keep (which in my case is all i buy, because i intend to keep them all), i will stick to the CHF FN produced tier. |
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[#9]
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The last two I ordered are indentical to the freedom uppers I've ordered. Both nitride, and same barrel specs as well. That's what makes it confusing. There are no differences in the overall specs between the two lines, so why does one cost more. That's what we have been trying to get psa to answer. They locked the last thread where people were posting pictures of the different barrels and asking what the difference was. They don't want to answer for some reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The last two I ordered are indentical to the freedom uppers I've ordered. Both nitride, and same barrel specs as well. That's what makes it confusing. There are no differences in the overall specs between the two lines, so why does one cost more. That's what we have been trying to get psa to answer. They locked the last thread where people were posting pictures of the different barrels and asking what the difference was. They don't want to answer for some reason. PTAC products are ready for duty, and are meant to be used. As such the finish may have some cosmetic irregularities which include, but are not limited to, scuffs, scratches, and dings or dents in the forgings that do not affect function. ** These uppers will have cosmetic blemishes that do not affect function. This may include, but is not limited to, forging marks under the finish, scratches, slight variation in the finish color coat. |
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[#10]
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I see differences in the descriptions. Ptac has this in the description. I haven't seen anything like that in the Freedom's description unless it's a blem then it says View Quote |
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half the time i wonder if the blem stuff is even blemmed. that said, i wonder if there is a difference between the two as well.
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[#12]
Seems like lately the freedom stuff is selling at ptac prices anyways. Freedom used to cost a bit more, but not so much now. Kind of makes the whole point of all of this pointless.
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[#13]
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half the time i wonder if the blem stuff is even blemmed. that said, i wonder if there is a difference between the two as well. View Quote i don't care because it'll get scratched anyway, but I should probably get around to finishing smacking in the roll pin. I just don't want to go out and buy a punch to do it. |
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[#14]
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My PSA blem Lower included a hammer scar from putting in the bolt catch roll pin 80% of the way. i don't care because it'll get scratched anyway, but I should probably get around to finishing smacking in the roll pin. I just don't want to go out and buy a punch to do it. View Quote |
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[#16]
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Use a pair of channelocks and squeeze the pin in. Be sure to tape up the jaws first. I haven't used a hammer and punch for those pins in years. View Quote |
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[#17]
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I used that method a couple of times; worked like a champ, until the pliers slipped once and nicked the lower a bit, through the tape. I finally broke down and bought the Brownell's special bolt-catch roll-pin punch and wow what a difference. It works like charm. I also bought the Brownell's AR upper vice block and armorer's tool to correct a misaligned PSA barrel nut, which caused a misaligned gas tube, which caused a misaligned bolt-carrier gas block/gas tube, which caused the bolt-carrier to bind hard when locking up; worked like a charm when I got everything clocked/aligned right, and I didn't have to send it back and wait a few weeks to fix. Thing is, now, with all these proper tools, I need to build more ARs. View Quote plus, my Lower is already scraped, which is why it was a Blem. And I'm glad, because it means I will not bemoan the first scratches I put on it |
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[#18]
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That's what I'm trying to avoid, because if I buy the tools, I will need to justify their continued ownership, which means more ARs plus, my Lower is already scraped, which is why it was a Blem. And I'm glad, because it means I will not bemoan the first scratches I put on it View Quote I could have bought another PSA upper for what I paid for the tools. Of course, then, I would not have known which barrel the upper would have come with (to keep this thread relevant). |
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[#19]
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Seems like lately the freedom stuff is selling at ptac prices anyways. Freedom used to cost a bit more, but not so much now. Kind of makes the whole point of all of this pointless. View Quote |
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[#20]
Received my second pencil-barreled Freedom upper. The one I bought early this year for $200 (IIRC) had T-marks, receiver with split-A forge and M4 above the gas tube, no PSA logo, nitride barrel marked "5.56 NATO 1/7 FREEDOM".
Second upper, for $170 (shipped and with MOE handguard), has no T-marks, no PSA logo, no M4, O forge receiver, nitride barrel marked "5.56 NATO 1/7", no Freedom on barrel. The first upper has been reliable and reasonably accurate. I appreciate the lighter weight when carrying and shooting. Haven't had a chance to shoot the second one. Intending to use these to introduce grandkids to the AR. |
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[#21]
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well they origionally were supposed to be phasing out the PTAC line they said, so maybe freedom is taking its place. View Quote |
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Speaking of "freedom" stuff... how yall gonna name an AK Liberty?
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gb2-polymer-rifle-77929392.html?trk_msg=419PC1CO6A54DFLI4BQNNVLIOS&trk_contact=Q2DQGTB43IAL6KABGQ37DEU4SC&trk_sid=67JNSJ82A19F8LCED7UO6PR0ES&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fpsak-47-gb2-polymer-rifle-77929392.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=11%3a00+Email |
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Speaking of "freedom" stuff... how yall gonna name an AK Liberty? http://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gb2-polymer-rifle-77929392.html?trk_msg=419PC1CO6A54DFLI4BQNNVLIOS&trk_contact=Q2DQGTB43IAL6KABGQ37DEU4SC&trk_sid=67JNSJ82A19F8LCED7UO6PR0ES&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fpsak-47-gb2-polymer-rifle-77929392.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=11%3a00+Email View Quote |
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[#25]
PSA,
As mentioned in the original post, I was looking for the answers to a couple of questions. If you (PSA) choose not to answer them, then that is what it is. When I first asked the questions in an email to PSA, you offered me the option to send the rifle back for a full refund and I thanked you for the offer and I declined it because I had no issues with the rifle. As of today, I am still very happy with the purchase, and the quality of rifle for the price. As for me, this post is closed. |
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[#27]
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In most cases PTAC barrels are 4140 instead of 4150 and phosphate finished instead of nitride. Again, this is all (usually) spelled out in the descriptions of the products. View Quote |
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[#28]
And this is why i will operate as if they are one in the same.
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[#29]
Well, if it's any consolation, I took my new Freedom upper to the range yesterday. I threw an old PTAC bcg from three years ago or so in it and it shot fine. No issues and accuracy was decent for a beater AR.
I'm sure it is more accurate than I am. No optics and iron sights past 50 yards are difficult for my aging eyes. |
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[#30]
I have no issues with whatever barrels they use. They seem to be decently accurate for the price. Like mentioned above I too am assuming the barrels are the same between the two lines. They work, and I guess that's all that matters.
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[#31]
I've only bought their CHF or Premium stuff, but I've been thinking about a beater. Then again, I've got so many PSA AR's, I'm just going to use one with a Premium upper as my beater.
I do love PSA. I'd recommend them to anyone. I've purchased from them for years without a single negative issue. |
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[#32]
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well they origionally were supposed to be phasing out the PTAC line they said, so maybe freedom is taking its place. View Quote The freedom bolt carrier group that came with my upper has the same rough feel and finish as the PTAC bcg I ordered some years back for my wife's upper. I'm sure they have improved the quality of the PTAC line, but I don't blame them for wanting to distance themselves from the name. After that one thread where the barrels one of our members received had bores that looked like dogshit, I don't think that stigma has ever truly gone away. PTAC prices are probably lower because they're trying to dump inventory. |
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[#33]
I thought it was very simple: The ONLY difference between the Freedom and PSA upper assemblies is the barrel. If you buy one with a CHF barrel then it will be a FN barrel. But if you buy PTac then everything is made by a lower end provider, including the actual receiver. Whenever I ordered a Freedom upper the barrel said "Freedom" on it.
But if this is the case, why won't PSA just say so? Perhaps it is not mutually exclusive. A (non chrome lined) PSA barrel could be exactly the same as a Freedom barrel, but then...why have a Freedom brand? |
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