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I get this and it's awesome customer service but I like being able to trust my guns. This build was supposed to be my "truck gun." That's not going to happen now as I can't trust the thing seeing all these issues. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Whatever causes the extractor issue, we will take care of it. I get this and it's awesome customer service but I like being able to trust my guns. This build was supposed to be my "truck gun." That's not going to happen now as I can't trust the thing seeing all these issues. That's the same plan I had but after an extractor failure and fix from PSA it's no more than a range toy |
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Being impatient i went to a smith yesterday evening and dropped it off there and they said they removed the bullet simply and no damage or issues are found. The brass was in 2 pieces with a missing back and the bullet was about 1 inch into the barrel. At this point it just seems like an odd ammo glitch. I Will go shoot another 100 or so tonight when I pick it up after work. |
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PSA needs to man up and take care of this problem. It has been long enough for them to find out what the problem is. Recall them fix them and move on before someone has a real problem and gets hurt and the lawyers get involved . QUIT FUCKING AROUND.
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Have you begun looking into this issue with this extractor issue? Will you be using new extractors sourced elsewhere, and more QC tested before leaving the plant? |
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PSA, Have you begun looking into this issue with this extractor issue? Will you be using new extractors sourced elsewhere, and more QC tested before leaving the plant? View Quote I'd like to know as well. Seems they're just throwing the same extractor back in and calling it good as people are having the same problem with their "fixed" bolt. Or did I read this thread wrong? |
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Being impatient i went to a smith yesterday evening and dropped it off there and they said they removed the bullet simply and no damage or issues are found. The brass was in 2 pieces with a missing back and the bullet was about 1 inch into the barrel. At this point it just seems like an odd ammo glitch. I Will go shoot another 100 or so tonight when I pick it up after work. View Quote I went back and reread your post, as I thought you had said you were using Magtech 115gr. ammo. That is what you were using. Anybody can make a bad round, but in one of the Henderson Defense (Battlefield Vegas) threads they talk about going through pallets of Magtech every month. They have nothing but praise for the ammo. I've recently ordered a bunch for myself and coworkers because of that thread. I would be very careful on the next range trip. My guess is that it's a chamber issue, and not a ammo issue. Hope I'm wrong. |
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We are still investigating, but it seems to be a small percentage of the 9mms affected. We will keep you posted.
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We are still investigating, but it seems to be a small percentage of the 9mms affected. We will keep you posted. View Quote I bet a small percentage of the 9mm AR's even have 100 round through them. This is clearly a serious problem. I'd get out in front of this thing. I love you guys but I'm losing my faith. Edit by PSA: We are investigating the various issues, hosting a forum where those affected can exchange info, and and taking care of the customers who report problems. As soon as we have any more to share on the issue, we will keep the group informed. |
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My guess is that it's a chamber issue, and not a ammo issue. http://i64.tinypic.com/2ebaj2v.jpg Im confident it was not an ammo problem it just i have t list it cause it is always asked. The fault was likely caused by a bullet being shoved fully into case prior to firing. As i CSI the case i see the rear case was blown off and extracted, then the remaining case was cut like a shape charge around the rear of the bullet and the bullet was pushed forward about an inch forward to lodge in the barrel. I cant 100% say this is what happened but I saw 1 round get smashed fulll in but it failed to feed that time. The thing that has me still waiting for palmetto to send me approval to send back is that sometimes this gun with double or triple fire depending on how quick i remover my trigger finger and if a had a feed error like this along with a double tap I may have a problem. Still waiting for Dylan to send me a return label. it pases triger function test 100% but it will still just randomly goes full auto which needs to be fixed. I am noticing a lot of wear on the rear top of disconnector where happer is striking it. more than should be there in under 400 rounds or at least I think. View Quote I'm far from an expert but you may be on to something. The first round I chambered with this thing looked awful gnarly when I extracted it. Chipped/dented projectile and the brass was dented pretty seriously. Could this have something to do with there not being any feed ramps on this thing? |
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I wanted to thank lokifox for this information. My new PSA was failing to eject the fired round at least half of the time. Although I was skeptical, I tried to adjust the ejector with a cresent wrench before sending it back to be fixed. Amazingly a few seemingly minute twitches and it has ejected every round in two range sessions (approx 75 strait rounds).
One question, where to get the flat wire recoil spring? |
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I wanted to thank lokifox for this information. My new PSA was failing to eject the fired round at least half of the time. Although I was skeptical, I tried to adjust the ejector with a cresent wrench before sending it back to be fixed. Amazingly a few seemingly minute twitches and it has ejected every round in two range sessions (approx 75 strait rounds). One question, where to get the flat wire recoil spring? View Quote An extra power one is what you want, it doesn't need to be Tubb's flat wire. Wolf XP, Sprinco, JP Tuned and Polished, etc. At Midway, Brownell's, No Kick, etc. |
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I bet a small percentage of the 9mm AR's even have 100 round through them. This is clearly a serious problem. I'd get out in front of this thing. I love you guys but I'm losing my faith. Edit by PSA: We are investigating the various issues, hosting a forum where those affected can exchange info, and and taking care of the customers who report problems. As soon as we have any more to share on the issue, we will keep the group informed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We are still investigating, but it seems to be a small percentage of the 9mms affected. We will keep you posted. I bet a small percentage of the 9mm AR's even have 100 round through them. This is clearly a serious problem. I'd get out in front of this thing. I love you guys but I'm losing my faith. Edit by PSA: We are investigating the various issues, hosting a forum where those affected can exchange info, and and taking care of the customers who report problems. As soon as we have any more to share on the issue, we will keep the group informed. And how do we get in on the group? |
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Edit by PSA: ... and and taking care of the customers who report problems. ... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes take care of someone 2. Euph. to kill or dispose of someone. PSA is gonna take care of you guys alright. |
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I wanted to thank lokifox for this information. My new PSA was failing to eject the fired round at least half of the time. Although I was skeptical, I tried to adjust the ejector with a cresent wrench before sending it back to be fixed. Amazingly a few seemingly minute twitches and it has ejected every round in two range sessions (approx 75 strait rounds). One question, where to get the flat wire recoil spring? View Quote I'm not sure 75 straight rounds would be enough to convince me it's fixed. |
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I have shot about 100 more rounds (175ish total) and still running fine. I also had purchased a Spinta Precision bolt carrier-stripped upper group. They arrived and now I have two bolts that function the gun fine. Interestingly they don't weight the same about an ounce 14.2 15.3 0zs. So far I am one very happy camper the PSA is running great and the mags are (all three) functioning fine, they aren't as difficult to load as I had read, but I bought a dedicated Mag-Lula and it works very well. Now, if I can get the Dillon some speed so it can keep up with the PSA, I'll be good to go.
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Through some trial and error I actually solved MY problem with MY 9mm build and a build fix may not belong on a extractor issue page but I think it is relevant.
Im using all the Palmetto components (upper,BCG, lower and trigger group ) Except the the buffer kit from KAK it all seem to worked magically once I changed the buffer to the AR15 9MM CARBINE BUFFER EXTENDED HEAVY 10 OZ USING 4X SLIDING TUNGSTEN WEIGHTS Prior to that I think it was just moving too fast and causing very random problems. I can imaging that excessive speed and possible not having a perfectly aligned ejector directly across from extractor could cause the extractor to sear/break since you are twisting the round clear vice popping it out cleanly. Im confident my ejector never broke because it fixed the alignment after about 10 shots. I also think the excessive speed and manner that the next round is feed could cause random issue feeding by something not going just flawless and rarely a round was bumping into feed ramp and compressing back into the case prior to chamber entry. I am sure that the stress of having the back of a case blown off cant be good on the extractor. Excessive speed was also whacking the hammer back so hard into the disconnector that is would randomly cause a double/triple shot. The Heavy Buffer has resulted in zero fails in 96 rounds of rapid dumps and several times of loading only 3 rounds in each mag. That's not a lot of cleanly run ammo but I feel safe letting family shoot it finally. I only have about 500 rounds total through it but first 350 were not smooth at all. Hopefully going forward this gun will continue to be smooth. This was my first AR9 and I am probably an idiot for not knowing the right buffer would be a very heavy one but it sure would be helpful is Palmetto could just make some generic recommendations. would have saved me about 6 range trips trying different things. |
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I've put about 200 rounds through mine to this point. Not a high round count but I haven't had any issues.
I'm also using a KAK extended 9mm buffer, mine is an 8oz though and not the 10oz like the poster above me. What buffers are you guys having issues using? |
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I have the PSA 9mm buffer.
Not sure of the exact weight, and can't get to the PSA site right now. My AR9 should be delivered today or tomorrow. Apparently the bcg and barrel were replaced. Fingers crossed! |
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Over a thousand rounds through mine. Not one problem. Love it
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My forged glock lower just arrived! I'll be picking it up later this week and assembling it with a MOE defender LPK and the rest of my components.
Really excited! I'll keep you all in the loop in terms of functionality. |
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I have all PSA parts on my 7.5 in pistol, glock forged lower. 500 rounds so far with no problem. I'm using a 7.5 oz Kaw Valley buffer with extra power spring (from Joe Bobs).
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I have all PSA parts on my 7.5 in pistol, glock forged lower. 500 rounds so far with no problem. I'm using a 7.5 oz Kaw Valley buffer with extra power spring (from Joe Bobs). View Quote That's good to hear. I think I bought the same springs from joe bobs with a spacer. . . and I have the same upper/lower. |
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Very curious about the buffer setup people are using that are experiencing problems. Everyone reporting consistent function seems to be using a 9mm buffer setup. Surely people aren't using carbine buffers???
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Mine is a complete lower and complete upper by PSA. It has a 9mm buffer. Had issues ejecting rounds from the get go. They would wind up jammimg in the upper reciever nd no ejecting out the port.
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This thread saved me. Had a complete upper and lower 9mm (16") from PSA. First time out...way out... It won't eject anything and jams up bad.
Come all the way home. Do some googling and find this thread. My extractor hook was good so I looked at the ejector pin and it was too far from the BCG. So I bent it in and did some test and things seemed t be ejecting so back out to the wastelands I went. Happy to say it works awesome now. I was thinking I had loaded a bunch of weak ammo and it wasn't cycling. I also thought I was gonna have to hunt around for all these buffers and springs people are talking about. NOPE. Just that one adjustment. |
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I ordered a PSA Glock mag lower during their Memorial Day Sale.
After a lot of debating, I ordered PSA 10.5 inch upper w bolt a week back - arrived last Friday. Assembled with Shockwave buffer tube & brace, PSA 9mm buffer & spring, ETS mags, Strikefire Ii. My first range trip today & I couldn't have been happier. It ran great right from the first mag. Only one early failure to fully feed (bolt didn't fully close) and one case that didn't clear the ejection port. The ETS mags fed smoothly and dropped free. Over 250 round fired - 100 rounds Fiochi 115 fmj + 150+ of my plated 115 & 124 reloads. Once I got it sighted in I couldn't miss. Blasting steel plates at 50 yards was a stitch. I know that's not a great display of marksmanship - but it's still fun! I can't wait to get it out again and try longer range shooting. My only regret is that I wished I'd held out longer on the lower & got the LRBHO model. |
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PSA got my pistol back in my hands about 10 days after I shipped it.
They replaced the barrel and bolt. I ran 211 rounds through it today. ETS, Glock, and Magpul mags. Wolf Poly, Mil. Classic, Win. White box, and Magtech ammo. No jams. The extractor was still there. Awesome gun! |
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Shot my PSA 9mm pistol today for the first time
longest string I got from the 1st magazine was 3 rounds but mostly was getting a failure to extract over half the time...started every other round and then was doing it almost every round I have not taken the time yet to look at the extractor and started doing a bit of research first and found this thread (also have not contacted PSA yet) this lower http://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-psa-9mm-dedicated-complete-coltc-style-magazine-pistol-lower-classic.html this upper http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-9mm-7-5-pistol-length-6-lightweight-keymod-upper-with-hybrid-bcg-and-ch.html will post more later ETA that my first thought was that it was cycling way too fast....also was using PSA magazine and 115grn winchester white box |
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If you can figure it out yourself, it would be the fastest way. I sent my upper back a month ago and still have not received it back. PSA states the repair log has not been updated when I ask for updates every once in a while. So their phrase of It could take up to 15 business days, is a little off right now.
They may not know what the issue is still, I don't know? I have seen reference to adjusting the ejector, however they still have my upper and I have the lower, so I can't tinker with it to see. |
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So I disassembled my bolt and pulled the extractor just to take a look....everything looks good....I hand cycled 20 rounds approx. through a new PSA 30rd magazine....round is getting picked up and held by the extractor each and every time and ejecting just fine (by hand).....I remembered reading the below posted by hp010101 and the only thought I had when I was experiencing my FTEs was that my AR9 seemed to be cycling very fast.....I was getting spent casings stuck without ejecting after a new round had already been picked up. I'd be surprised if my issue has to do with the extractor....going to try it again and see how it goes.....too bad that a brand new gun is not at all reliable out of the box brand new....this is basically a single shot 9mm toy until I get the bugs worked out.
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Through some trial and error I actually solved MY problem with MY 9mm build and a build fix may not belong on a extractor issue page but I think it is relevant. Im using all the Palmetto components (upper,BCG, lower and trigger group ) Except the the buffer kit from KAK it all seem to worked magically once I changed the buffer to the AR15 9MM CARBINE BUFFER EXTENDED HEAVY 10 OZ USING 4X SLIDING TUNGSTEN WEIGHTS Prior to that I think it was just moving too fast and causing very random problems. I can imaging that excessive speed and possible not having a perfectly aligned ejector directly across from extractor could cause the extractor to sear/break since you are twisting the round clear vice popping it out cleanly. Im confident my ejector never broke because it fixed the alignment after about 10 shots. I also think the excessive speed and manner that the next round is feed could cause random issue feeding by something not going just flawless and rarely a round was bumping into feed ramp and compressing back into the case prior to chamber entry. I am sure that the stress of having the back of a case blown off cant be good on the extractor. Excessive speed was also whacking the hammer back so hard into the disconnector that is would randomly cause a double/triple shot. The Heavy Buffer has resulted in zero fails in 96 rounds of rapid dumps and several times of loading only 3 rounds in each mag. That's not a lot of cleanly run ammo but I feel safe letting family shoot it finally. I only have about 500 rounds total through it but first 350 were not smooth at all. Hopefully going forward this gun will continue to be smooth. This was my first AR9 and I am probably an idiot for not knowing the right buffer would be a very heavy one but it sure would be helpful is Palmetto could just make some generic recommendations. would have saved me about 6 range trips trying different things. View Quote |
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500 more rounds since I changed to a heavy buffer and it still runs great without flaws. Very Fun Build to shoot now.
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Is this the reason uppers and bolts, have been out of stock for a while?
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I want to know too. Hybrid bolt has been available from time to time. Uppers started showing up with the 4" Odin model last week. Its also off and on. With Republican in the White house and Congress I am in no hurry. |
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Is this the reason uppers and bolts, have been out of stock for a while? View Quote my guess is they were building other things which need more attention that could have been banned if the wrong person went into office. Now, well who knows, i hope we find a large surplus to start showing up. |
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PSA, any idea for a fix for the extractor issue? I am holding out on sending my gun back until you have your hands on a solution.
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They replaced my bolt and barrel, so I'm guessing it was more of a barrel issue than extractor issue.
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Took the 9mm AR out again Saturday just to see if I could get it to run at all. I got my camera out to take pictures of each failure after I realized I wasn't going to see a positive result Ammo was factory Winchester white box 115grn FMJ I only loaded (PSA 32rnd magazine) to 30 rounds After I couldn't get more than 2 rounds without an FTE I started snapping pics of the failures Not sure what the issue is as the failures all seem to be a failure to eject and not a failure to extract I contacted PSA today and asked about a warranty return/service/repair Definitely one of the biggest firearm purchase mistakes that I've ever made. This was only the second magazine to be run through the gun. Totally unreliable new out of the box and assuming that PSA does correct the issue I will immediately after putting this up for sale as the intended purpose was as a defensive weapon for my wife and this is just not reliable enough for that. Some of the failures: View Quote What buffer are you using? |
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I just noticed my extractor was broken the other day. I was cleaning to get ready for a match. That's when I found it. It definitely broke at my last range trip, just didn't realize. It had a few failure to extract and would get hung up. I'd say I have less then 500 rounds through it. Not sure if I want to try and get a new PSA extractor or go with rock river or cmmg... Pretty disappointed.
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I just noticed my extractor was broken the other day. I was cleaning to get ready for a match. That's when I found it. It definitely broke at my last range trip, just didn't realize. It had a few failure to extract and would get hung up. I'd say I have less then 500 rounds through it. Not sure if I want to try and get a new PSA extractor or go with rock river or cmmg... Pretty disappointed. View Quote Not to sound like a broken record but what kind of buffer are you running? |
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I just noticed my extractor was broken the other day. I was cleaning to get ready for a match. That's when I found it. It definitely broke at my last range trip, just didn't realize. It had a few failure to extract and would get hung up. I'd say I have less then 500 rounds through it. Not sure if I want to try and get a new PSA extractor or go with rock river or cmmg... Pretty disappointed. Not to sound like a broken record but what kind of buffer are you running? The 9mm PSA buffer and regular carbine spring. I have and now think I might try my Wolfe extra power spring when I get a new extractor. |
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Everything I'm using is 100% as I bought it from PSA including the 9mm lower which came with PSA's 9mm buffer
This lower this upper Edited to add these magazines by the way and just as an FYI I submitted my review on the upper (as that's the real problem here) on PSA's site and it's been submitted for "moderation" Haven't heard back from PSA regarding warranty service/repair yet but I did get another emailed add from them today. Quoted:
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I wouldn't say your upper is the problem yet. I had similar issues with my CMMG. I couldn't shhot more than two rounds and had very similar fte's and stove pipes. I bent the ejector which is located in the lower just a little towards the bolt. I have shot about 500 rounds since then without any issues. Don't give up, and don't sell it, unless you have another or plan to buy another 9mm carbine. I absolutely love mine now. I would consider it one of my most fun guns to shoot.
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Everything I'm using is 100% as I bought it from PSA including the 9mm lower which came with PSA's 9mm buffer This lower this upper Edited to add these magazines by the way and just as an FYI I submitted my review on the upper (as that's the real problem here) on PSA's site and it's been submitted for "moderation" Haven't heard back from PSA regarding warranty service/repair yet but I did get another emailed add from them today. View Quote Thank you for your review. The upper is covered under warranty, Im sure we will make it right for you. Your email has been replied to, CS is awaiting a response. |
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I took out my 4" Odin Works upper'ed billit lower yesterday.
I ran 200 rounds through it without a single issue, not one failure. I also changed the trigger to a Giessele G2S and didn't have a single issue with reset or function. |
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Update. Mine has been flawless so far with a few hundred rounds at this point. Will put a couple hundred more down range tomorrow.
The thing is a blast to shoot. |
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Received a return 2nd day air UPS shipping label from PSA yesterday
sent back upper and lower today will keep you posted |
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