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Posted: 2/21/2015 3:07:06 AM EDT
PSA, I loaded your website today, only to be saddened by what I saw on your homepage.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/19081/s/pierce-380-auto-100gr-rnhb-ammunition-50rds/ http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/19082/s/pierce-40-s-w-180gr-fmj-ammunition-50rds/ You are now selling Pierce Ammunition. I'm not sure how long this has been happening, as you have those two loads in stock, but a quick search shows four others that are out of stock. In case you weren't aware, Pierce Ammunition as well as the company's owner/ceo, both donated to Governor Cuomo's(D-NY) 2014 campaign, in 2013 after he rammed the SAFE act up the rear end of New Yorkers. The company further proved their status as low-life, lying, backstabbing scum when after being busted they put out a statement saying that it was in support of some City of Buffalo revitalization thing, which was total BS, as it was very clearly donated to Cuomo's campaign fund. The owner never addressed the additional personal donation he made to Cuomo's campaign fund. Here is a LINK to an article with a few small details. There is plenty more evidence, as well as a many-paged thread here that I can link if you need to see further evidence of this company's active support of the worst of the worst anti-2A lawmakers. I respectfully request that you immediately cease to do business with Pierce Ammunition/Pierce Munitions. A loud and clear message needs to be sent that this sort of traitorous activity to strip us of our rights will not be tolerated. I know that the ownership, and most likely the staff of PSA are all dedicated 2A enthusiasts, so at this point I give you guys the benefit of the doubt, and assume this was simply an oversight. I'm looking forward to your response and immediate action. |
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Interesting. I'll give PSA the benefit of the doubt. Awaiting PSA's response before selling my lower and upper receiver.
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Justin, thank you for this information, it isn't something I was aware of, shame on me. I have never purchased any pierce ammunition, but I know I won't now. I will also give psa the benefit of the doubt and if we as consumers do our part and not purchase any of this ammo from psa, this situation may remedy itself even if psa doesn't realize this.
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Just a heads-up.
Google and Avast both report that the site in that link is known to carry malware and blocked the site from opening for me. It's very rare that this happens, so I'm staying away from gunssavelife web site. |
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PSA, I loaded your website today, only to be saddened by what I saw on your homepage. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/19081/s/pierce-380-auto-100gr-rnhb-ammunition-50rds/ http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/19082/s/pierce-40-s-w-180gr-fmj-ammunition-50rds/ You are now selling Pierce Ammunition. I'm not sure how long this has been happening, as you have those two loads in stock, but a quick search shows four others that are out of stock. In case you weren't aware, Pierce Ammunition as well as the company's owner/ceo, both donated to Governor Cuomo's(D-NY) 2014 campaign, in 2013 after he rammed the SAFE act up the rear end of New Yorkers. The company further proved their status as low-life, lying, backstabbing scum when after being busted they put out a statement saying that it was in support of some City of Buffalo revitalization thing, which was total BS, as it was very clearly donated to Cuomo's campaign fund. The owner never addressed the additional personal donation he made to Cuomo's campaign fund. Here is a LINK to an article with a few small details. There is plenty more evidence, as well as a many-paged thread here that I can link if you need to see further evidence of this company's active support of the worst of the worst anti-2A lawmakers. I respectfully request that you immediately cease to do business with Pierce Ammunition/Pierce Munitions. A loud and clear message needs to be sent that this sort of traitorous activity to strip us of our rights will not be tolerated. I know that the ownership, and most likely the staff of PSA are all dedicated 2A enthusiasts, so at this point I give you guys the benefit of the doubt, and assume this was simply an oversight. I'm looking forward to your response and immediate action. View Quote thanks for the info about pierce. I wont be buying any of their ammo, regardless whos peddling it. |
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thanks for the heads up. as a new yorker, i am very upset with the safe act. i would not support any company that contributed to Cuomo
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Quoted: Quoted: Interesting. I'll give PSA the benefit of the doubt. Awaiting PSA's response before selling my lower and upper receiver. Let me know if you end up selling. Lower's in the gunstore on consignment. Might have a BCG in a few days. |
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good thing i live in ARIZONA.
let me know if you are selling anything PSA because you dont live in a free state |
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Are you going to stop doing business with all the vendors who sell anything made in Communist China too? They restrict their citizens rights when it comes to gun ownership, and just about everything else too. You going to trash can your iPads and iPod along with your Norincos? They are made in China.
So do the Japanese. Send your Lexus to the junkyard? So do the Germans. Stop Buying HK and Walthers? So do the Austrians. Sell all your Glocks and Steyrs? So do the Romanians and Czechs. Trash can them Romy AKs and Zastavas? Well, AKs maybe.. But come on seriously folks. I may not buy that particular ammo, but I am not going to boycott PSA for selling any gun related items they can get their hands on. It's what they do, and they do it well. I will let the free market work. |
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Quoted: Are you going to stop doing business with all the vendors who sell anything made in Communist China too? They restrict their citizens rights when it comes to gun ownership, and just about everything else too. You going to trash can your iPads and iPod along with your Norincos? They are made in China. So do the Japanese. Send your Lexus to the junkyard? So do the Germans. Stop Buying HK and Walthers? So do the Austrians. Sell all your Glocks and Steyrs? So do the Romanians and Czechs. Trash can them Romy AKs and Zastavas? Well, AKs maybe.. But come on seriously folks. I may not buy that particular ammo, but I am not going to boycott PSA for selling any gun related items they can get their hands on. It's what they do, and they do it well. I will let the free market work. View Quote I'm actually selling my PSA stuff for other reasons and forgot about this thread until I saw it pop back up. Going with a retro XM build instead with a NoDak receiver. |
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I'm actually selling my PSA stuff for other reasons and forgot about this thread until I saw it pop back up. Going with a retro XM build instead with a NoDak receiver. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you going to stop doing business with all the vendors who sell anything made in Communist China too? They restrict their citizens rights when it comes to gun ownership, and just about everything else too. You going to trash can your iPads and iPod along with your Norincos? They are made in China. So do the Japanese. Send your Lexus to the junkyard? So do the Germans. Stop Buying HK and Walthers? So do the Austrians. Sell all your Glocks and Steyrs? So do the Romanians and Czechs. Trash can them Romy AKs and Zastavas? Well, AKs maybe.. But come on seriously folks. I may not buy that particular ammo, but I am not going to boycott PSA for selling any gun related items they can get their hands on. It's what they do, and they do it well. I will let the free market work. I'm actually selling my PSA stuff for other reasons and forgot about this thread until I saw it pop back up. Going with a retro XM build instead with a NoDak receiver. Well that sound pretty awesome. What the wait time on a Nodak these days? I have thought about doing a NDS on a panther lite A1 upper with milsurp A1 furniture. |
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Quoted: Well that sound pretty awesome. What the wait time on a Nodak these days? I have thought about doing a NDS on a panther lite A1 upper with milsurp A1 furniture. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you going to stop doing business with all the vendors who sell anything made in Communist China too? They restrict their citizens rights when it comes to gun ownership, and just about everything else too. You going to trash can your iPads and iPod along with your Norincos? They are made in China. So do the Japanese. Send your Lexus to the junkyard? So do the Germans. Stop Buying HK and Walthers? So do the Austrians. Sell all your Glocks and Steyrs? So do the Romanians and Czechs. Trash can them Romy AKs and Zastavas? Well, AKs maybe.. But come on seriously folks. I may not buy that particular ammo, but I am not going to boycott PSA for selling any gun related items they can get their hands on. It's what they do, and they do it well. I will let the free market work. I'm actually selling my PSA stuff for other reasons and forgot about this thread until I saw it pop back up. Going with a retro XM build instead with a NoDak receiver. Well that sound pretty awesome. What the wait time on a Nodak these days? I have thought about doing a NDS on a panther lite A1 upper with milsurp A1 furniture. Not sure, private sale on this one. Meeting up with my friend sometime in a few weeks when he's back in town. |
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I'm actually selling my PSA stuff for other reasons and forgot about this thread until I saw it pop back up. Going with a retro XM build instead with a NoDak receiver. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you going to stop doing business with all the vendors who sell anything made in Communist China too? They restrict their citizens rights when it comes to gun ownership, and just about everything else too. You going to trash can your iPads and iPod along with your Norincos? They are made in China. So do the Japanese. Send your Lexus to the junkyard? So do the Germans. Stop Buying HK and Walthers? So do the Austrians. Sell all your Glocks and Steyrs? So do the Romanians and Czechs. Trash can them Romy AKs and Zastavas? Well, AKs maybe.. But come on seriously folks. I may not buy that particular ammo, but I am not going to boycott PSA for selling any gun related items they can get their hands on. It's what they do, and they do it well. I will let the free market work. I'm actually selling my PSA stuff for other reasons and forgot about this thread until I saw it pop back up. Going with a retro XM build instead with a NoDak receiver. sir that's not how this works. when you get the xm done you will need at the very least; an a2, a2 carbine, 727, and m4. once you buy a part you cannot just sell it and be done this is not how any of it works. the first 603 complete upper i bought cheap, i said i don't want this shit now i cannot buy enough of them. |
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sir that's not how this works. when you get the xm done you will need at the very least; an a2, a2 carbine, 727, and m4. once you buy a part you cannot just sell it and be done this is not how any of it works. the first 603 complete upper i bought cheap, i said i don't want this shit now i cannot buy enough of them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you going to stop doing business with all the vendors who sell anything made in Communist China too? They restrict their citizens rights when it comes to gun ownership, and just about everything else too. You going to trash can your iPads and iPod along with your Norincos? They are made in China. So do the Japanese. Send your Lexus to the junkyard? So do the Germans. Stop Buying HK and Walthers? So do the Austrians. Sell all your Glocks and Steyrs? So do the Romanians and Czechs. Trash can them Romy AKs and Zastavas? Well, AKs maybe.. But come on seriously folks. I may not buy that particular ammo, but I am not going to boycott PSA for selling any gun related items they can get their hands on. It's what they do, and they do it well. I will let the free market work. I'm actually selling my PSA stuff for other reasons and forgot about this thread until I saw it pop back up. Going with a retro XM build instead with a NoDak receiver. sir that's not how this works. when you get the xm done you will need at the very least; an a2, a2 carbine, 727, and m4. once you buy a part you cannot just sell it and be done this is not how any of it works. the first 603 complete upper i bought cheap, i said i don't want this shit now i cannot buy enough of them. I just want to build an A1 rifle. Like the very first M16A1 I was ever issued, back in the stone age, except in semi auto. 1982, but I remember it like it was yesterday. I have an A2, but honestly I never liked the A2 near as much as my A1. I blame the gorilla armed Jarhead target shooters for that. |
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Sure. But PSA didn't contribute to Cuomo, as far as anybody knows. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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thanks for the heads up. as a new yorker, i am very upset with the safe act. i would not support any company that contributed to Cuomo Sure. But PSA didn't contribute to Cuomo, as far as anybody knows. i will still give PSA my business. i just wont buy that brand of ammo. PSA parts is the only reason i have a AR in ny. |
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I'm offing my 14.7 PSA upper sometime. I want a 20" pencil upper,A1 upper. If PSA would offer one,the money could stay in SC .I got rid of the A2 20"CHF because of barrel weight
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Are you going to stop doing business with all the vendors who sell anything made in Communist China too? They restrict their citizens rights when it comes to gun ownership, and just about everything else too. You going to trash can your iPads and iPod along with your Norincos? They are made in China. So do the Japanese. Send your Lexus to the junkyard? So do the Germans. Stop Buying HK and Walthers? So do the Austrians. Sell all your Glocks and Steyrs? So do the Romanians and Czechs. Trash can them Romy AKs and Zastavas? Well, AKs maybe.. But come on seriously folks. I may not buy that particular ammo, but I am not going to boycott PSA for selling any gun related items they can get their hands on. It's what they do, and they do it well. I will let the free market work. View Quote I don't think the Germans have done anything wrong in the last few decades, So whats the problem with them? I agree with the Just don't buy the issue items but, Why would you just completely ignore the store completely for one brand? Just doesn't make sense to me. |
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Sure. But PSA didn't contribute to Cuomo, as far as anybody knows. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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thanks for the heads up. as a new yorker, i am very upset with the safe act. i would not support any company that contributed to Cuomo Sure. But PSA didn't contribute to Cuomo, as far as anybody knows. Way to follow the thought PSA buys ammo from Pierce. Pierce makes and sells ammo, Pierce donates to a Cuomo, which is anti-gun, So in essence PSA donates (supports) Cuomo. Correct we as consumers have NO say in how Pierce spends their moneys, Their Choice, call, perogitive. But I do as a consumer have the same choice as they do in choosing who, where, and how I spend my money. Therefore I will NOT be purchasing any Pierce product. You are really doing your fellow brothers behind enemy lines a disservice by offering a demand for the product. Let that product sit on the shelves and collect dust. Continue to buy from PSA, Just not the Pierce brand items. |
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two.
Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. |
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two. Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. View Quote The OP clearly states that both the owner of pierce, as well as pierce as a company, both donated to cuomo. They donated in excess of $10,000. Regardless of whether PSA is buying direct from Pierce, or through a distributor, is irrelevant, as either method = supporting Pierce. |
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The OP clearly states that both the owner of pierce, as well as pierce as a company, both donated to cuomo. They donated in excess of $10,000. Regardless of whether PSA is buying direct from Pierce, or through a distributor, is irrelevant, as either method = supporting Pierce. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two. Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. The OP clearly states that both the owner of pierce, as well as pierce as a company, both donated to cuomo. They donated in excess of $10,000. Regardless of whether PSA is buying direct from Pierce, or through a distributor, is irrelevant, as either method = supporting Pierce. My opening question was just that, an honest question. I guess that wasn't "clearly" stated. My bad. Second, the article in the link provided stated Pierce contributed $7500 but when you click on the follow up link provided in the article it states Pierce contributed $10k. Neither artcile states company and owner made contributions and, as stated in the second article, it appears more like Pierce traded morals for a "political handout." So to say that PSA is "supporting" Pierce even if they bouth the ammo through distribution would also insinuate we all support terrorism because we buy gas from the middle east...if we follow your "logic" that is. And I'm guessing you also consider Tug Nugent a traitor as well? I mean, his name and picture is on ammounition made by Pierce. He should probably be charged with treason seeing how he willingly entered into a marketing agreement with Pierce, right? Regardless of the fact that Nugent is one of the most staunch Second Amendment supporters in the country and has done exponenitally more for gun rights and pro-gun citizens than any of could possibly fathom is a "clear" cover-up since he and Pierce work together on ammo...right? All I"m getting at is you can't always paint with such a broad brush. Don't let dedicated support be based on knee jerk reactions. As stated earlier, don't by Pierce products. That will do far more "for the cause" than boycotting PSA for selling the product. All you're doing then is putting yet one more obstacle in the way of a US based small business. Small business owners have enough standing in their way without its patrons flying off the handle and making knee jerk decisions. Hopefully the aluminum foil lined armadillo shells didn't block too much of my post. If it did, oh well. |
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My opening question was just that, an honest question. I guess that wasn't "clearly" stated. My bad. Second, the article in the link provided stated Pierce contributed $7500 but when you click on the follow up link provided in the article it states Pierce contributed $10k. Neither artcile states company and owner made contributions and, as stated in the second article, it appears more like Pierce traded morals for a "political handout." So to say that PSA is "supporting" Pierce even if they bouth the ammo through distribution would also insinuate we all support terrorism because we buy gas from the middle east...if we follow your "logic" that is. And I'm guessing you also consider Tug Nugent a traitor as well? I mean, his name and picture is on ammounition made by Pierce. He should probably be charged with treason seeing how he willingly entered into a marketing agreement with Pierce, right? Regardless of the fact that Nugent is one of the most staunch Second Amendment supporters in the country and has done exponenitally more for gun rights and pro-gun citizens than any of could possibly fathom is a "clear" cover-up since he and Pierce work together on ammo...right? All I"m getting at is you can't always paint with such a broad brush. Don't let dedicated support be based on knee jerk reactions. As stated earlier, don't by Pierce products. That will do far more "for the cause" than boycotting PSA for selling the product. All you're doing then is putting yet one more obstacle in the way of a US based small business. Small business owners have enough standing in their way without its patrons flying off the handle and making knee jerk decisions. Hopefully the aluminum foil lined armadillo shells didn't block too much of my post. If it did, oh well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two. Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. The OP clearly states that both the owner of pierce, as well as pierce as a company, both donated to cuomo. They donated in excess of $10,000. Regardless of whether PSA is buying direct from Pierce, or through a distributor, is irrelevant, as either method = supporting Pierce. My opening question was just that, an honest question. I guess that wasn't "clearly" stated. My bad. Second, the article in the link provided stated Pierce contributed $7500 but when you click on the follow up link provided in the article it states Pierce contributed $10k. Neither artcile states company and owner made contributions and, as stated in the second article, it appears more like Pierce traded morals for a "political handout." So to say that PSA is "supporting" Pierce even if they bouth the ammo through distribution would also insinuate we all support terrorism because we buy gas from the middle east...if we follow your "logic" that is. And I'm guessing you also consider Tug Nugent a traitor as well? I mean, his name and picture is on ammounition made by Pierce. He should probably be charged with treason seeing how he willingly entered into a marketing agreement with Pierce, right? Regardless of the fact that Nugent is one of the most staunch Second Amendment supporters in the country and has done exponenitally more for gun rights and pro-gun citizens than any of could possibly fathom is a "clear" cover-up since he and Pierce work together on ammo...right? All I"m getting at is you can't always paint with such a broad brush. Don't let dedicated support be based on knee jerk reactions. As stated earlier, don't by Pierce products. That will do far more "for the cause" than boycotting PSA for selling the product. All you're doing then is putting yet one more obstacle in the way of a US based small business. Small business owners have enough standing in their way without its patrons flying off the handle and making knee jerk decisions. Hopefully the aluminum foil lined armadillo shells didn't block too much of my post. If it did, oh well. Damn right I do. He was made aware of this, and shown evidence, then used ad hominem attacks on each person that brought it to his attention to try to dismiss them, and lied hand over fist, pretending that it wasn't true. Then there is the fact that he is a draft dodger. And the fact that he is a known, self admitted pedophile. There is this - Well, I don't care if you're just 13
You look too good to be true I just know that you're probably clean... Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine... It's quite alright, I asked your mama Wait a minute, officer Don't put those handcuffs on me Put them on her, and I'll share her with you And then the fact that he hunts illegally over bait. Then the whole declaring bankruptcy, and getting the government to back him up so he didn't have to pay his debts. So yeah. The fact that you are using "the nuge" for your moral compass says something. And then the "knee jerk" part of your post. Not really sure where that is coming from, other than some projection? There is no knee jerking here, and no boycotting yet. Not a bash PSA. If I wanted to go that route, I could have just dropped this post in GD, as well as a few other sites. Maybe in the NY HTF? Then the whole "supporting terrorism" part of your post. That is just silly. I won't even bother with refuting that dose of stupid with facts. |
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Damn right I do. He was made aware of this, and shown evidence, then used ad hominem attacks on each person that brought it to his attention to try to dismiss them, and lied hand over fist, pretending that it wasn't true. Then there is the fact that he is a draft dodger. And the fact that he is a known, self admitted pedophile. There is this - And then the fact that he hunts illegally over bait. Then the whole declaring bankruptcy, and getting the government to back him up so he didn't have to pay his debts. So yeah. The fact that you are using "the nuge" for your moral compass says something. And then the "knee jerk" part of your post. Not really sure where that is coming from, other than some projection? There is no knee jerking here, and no boycotting yet. Not a bash PSA. If I wanted to go that route, I could have just dropped this post in GD, as well as a few other sites. Maybe in the NY HTF? Then the whole "supporting terrorism" part of your post. That is just silly. I won't even bother with refuting that dose of stupid with facts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two. Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. The OP clearly states that both the owner of pierce, as well as pierce as a company, both donated to cuomo. They donated in excess of $10,000. Regardless of whether PSA is buying direct from Pierce, or through a distributor, is irrelevant, as either method = supporting Pierce. My opening question was just that, an honest question. I guess that wasn't "clearly" stated. My bad. Second, the article in the link provided stated Pierce contributed $7500 but when you click on the follow up link provided in the article it states Pierce contributed $10k. Neither artcile states company and owner made contributions and, as stated in the second article, it appears more like Pierce traded morals for a "political handout." So to say that PSA is "supporting" Pierce even if they bouth the ammo through distribution would also insinuate we all support terrorism because we buy gas from the middle east...if we follow your "logic" that is. And I'm guessing you also consider Tug Nugent a traitor as well? I mean, his name and picture is on ammounition made by Pierce. He should probably be charged with treason seeing how he willingly entered into a marketing agreement with Pierce, right? Regardless of the fact that Nugent is one of the most staunch Second Amendment supporters in the country and has done exponenitally more for gun rights and pro-gun citizens than any of could possibly fathom is a "clear" cover-up since he and Pierce work together on ammo...right? All I"m getting at is you can't always paint with such a broad brush. Don't let dedicated support be based on knee jerk reactions. As stated earlier, don't by Pierce products. That will do far more "for the cause" than boycotting PSA for selling the product. All you're doing then is putting yet one more obstacle in the way of a US based small business. Small business owners have enough standing in their way without its patrons flying off the handle and making knee jerk decisions. Hopefully the aluminum foil lined armadillo shells didn't block too much of my post. If it did, oh well. Damn right I do. He was made aware of this, and shown evidence, then used ad hominem attacks on each person that brought it to his attention to try to dismiss them, and lied hand over fist, pretending that it wasn't true. Then there is the fact that he is a draft dodger. And the fact that he is a known, self admitted pedophile. There is this - Well, I don't care if you're just 13
You look too good to be true I just know that you're probably clean... Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine... It's quite alright, I asked your mama Wait a minute, officer Don't put those handcuffs on me Put them on her, and I'll share her with you And then the fact that he hunts illegally over bait. Then the whole declaring bankruptcy, and getting the government to back him up so he didn't have to pay his debts. So yeah. The fact that you are using "the nuge" for your moral compass says something. And then the "knee jerk" part of your post. Not really sure where that is coming from, other than some projection? There is no knee jerking here, and no boycotting yet. Not a bash PSA. If I wanted to go that route, I could have just dropped this post in GD, as well as a few other sites. Maybe in the NY HTF? Then the whole "supporting terrorism" part of your post. That is just silly. I won't even bother with refuting that dose of stupid with facts. You would if you could. Take a breath and get out every once in a while. Seems as though you could use it. Good luck with righting all the wrongs of the world. |
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two. Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. View Quote I don't believe that's how it works. Similar to buying a Sony TV from Best Buy and refusing to believe that Sony doesn't see any financial reward ? For one to think that you're insulated from a manufacturer by purchasing through a third party is incorrect. |
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I don't believe that's how it works. Similar to buying a Sony TV from Best Buy and refusing to believe that Sony doesn't see any financial reward ? For one to think that you're insulated from a manufacturer by purchasing through a third party is incorrect. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two. Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. I don't believe that's how it works. Similar to buying a Sony TV from Best Buy and refusing to believe that Sony doesn't see any financial reward ? For one to think that you're insulated from a manufacturer by purchasing through a third party is incorrect. If PSA buys anything from distribution, let's say Ellett Brother, Ellett Brothers would've bought the product from the vendor (Pierce) at one price and then they sell it to PSA for a higher price so the only "financial reward" being received by the vendor, in this case Pierce, is from the distributor, not the retailer. Obviously if PSA were to buy direct from Pierce (I have no idea if they do or not) then that's a completely different story. Same synopsis would apply to your Best Buy scenario. Whether they're buying direct or through distribution, I don't know. |
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If PSA buys anything from distribution, let's say Ellett Brother, Ellett Brothers would've bought the product from the vendor (Pierce) at one price and then they sell it to PSA for a higher price so the only "financial reward" being received by the vendor, in this case Pierce, is from the distributor, not the retailer. Obviously if PSA were to buy direct from Pierce (I have no idea if they do or not) then that's a completely different story. Same synopsis would apply to your Best Buy scenario. Whether they're buying direct or through distribution, I don't know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is the company as a whole contributing or is the owner of Pierce contributing? I see a huge difference between the two. Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. I don't believe that's how it works. Similar to buying a Sony TV from Best Buy and refusing to believe that Sony doesn't see any financial reward ? For one to think that you're insulated from a manufacturer by purchasing through a third party is incorrect. If PSA buys anything from distribution, let's say Ellett Brother, Ellett Brothers would've bought the product from the vendor (Pierce) at one price and then they sell it to PSA for a higher price so the only "financial reward" being received by the vendor, in this case Pierce, is from the distributor, not the retailer. Obviously if PSA were to buy direct from Pierce (I have no idea if they do or not) then that's a completely different story. Same synopsis would apply to your Best Buy scenario. Whether they're buying direct or through distribution, I don't know. In your scenario, Ellett Brothers buys a product with the sole intention of reselling it at a higher price to a retailer for sale to the general public. This is their business and how they make any money. Most distributors do not make a product they just .... well, they just distribute a product. Sears Roebuck comes to mind. If a distributor feels that there is no market for a certain product he will not speculate foolishly with his money. If PSA says thank you but no more Pierce ammo, Ellett Brothers may reduce their purchases from Pierce or at a minimum need to find other sources for reselling. So of course if a consumer purchases a Pierce product from PSA the money most definitely flows upward through the distributor, (middleman) and eventually falls into Pierce's coffers. In a nut shell, Pierce is relying on the end users money to stay in business. They're just using Ellett as a means to the end. |
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Granted, I don't own any of the brand in question but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say PSA is contributing to Cuomo by buying Pierce ammunition. That said, does anyone know if PSA is buying ammo direct from Pierce or are they buying it through distribution? If they're buying it through distribution then they're not giving any money to Pierce and therefore makes this absurd "call to action" even more absurd. View Quote If a company buys Russian ammo directly from a Russian source, are they supporting the demise of Ukraine? If an arfcommer buys said ammo from that company, are they supporting the demise of Ukraine? Probably in some convoluted way, but it really isn't indicative of support for that either way. Using that standard we would all be guilty of supporting something we disagree with. It's just like China. Just about everything is made in China. You can't buy a car, electronic device, or about anything else without to some degree supporting a communist regime. I don't agree with communism. But I don't have the means to manufacture all my own products. I buy American when I can, but sometimes it is literally impossible without becoming part of an Amish community, and even then I bet some of their tools are made in China. I think you can take condemning those along the money trail a bit too far, and most of those who do are hypocrites in one way or another. This isn't a company fully endorsing Jim Zumbo with full knowledge of what transpired. PSA is a company trying to survive and thrive in the market, and in this volatile market, I won't fault them for getting ammo wherever they can. An Example: If a truckload of minty Rhodie FAL parts kits becomes available at SARCO for example (these are quite rare for those who don't know), that was exported by the Government of Zimbabwe, you can bet I will still buy one. Sorry if that angers the righteous. It doesn't mean I like Robert Mugabe any more than the next guy, but I would still get my Rhodesian FAL parts kit. |
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An Example: If a truckload of minty Rhodie FAL parts kits becomes available at SARCO for example (these are quite rare for those who don't know), that was exported by the Government of Zimbabwe, you can bet I will still buy one. Sorry if that angers the righteous. It doesn't mean I like Robert Mugabe any more than the next guy, but I would still get my Rhodesian FAL parts kit. View Quote As an aside, Rhodesian FAL kits were the bomb-diggety. One of my few firearms regrets is not building up the awesome kit I had before I sold it. It was magnificent in its ugliness (it still had dirt and twigs and such stuck to it). |
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As an aside, Rhodesian FAL kits were the bomb-diggety. One of my few firearms regrets is not building up the awesome kit I had before I sold it. It was magnificent in its ugliness (it still had dirt and twigs and such stuck to it). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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An Example: If a truckload of minty Rhodie FAL parts kits becomes available at SARCO for example (these are quite rare for those who don't know), that was exported by the Government of Zimbabwe, you can bet I will still buy one. Sorry if that angers the righteous. It doesn't mean I like Robert Mugabe any more than the next guy, but I would still get my Rhodesian FAL parts kit. As an aside, Rhodesian FAL kits were the bomb-diggety. One of my few firearms regrets is not building up the awesome kit I had before I sold it. It was magnificent in its ugliness (it still had dirt and twigs and such stuck to it). I regret no t buying one or more to send to ARS for sanctification. |
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