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Posted: 12/7/2014 7:13:30 PM EDT
So, I ordered one of these kits for $419.99 during the Cyber Monday sale. Waiting on it to finishing processing, and haven't been able to get through to customer service.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/18873/s/psa-20-rifle-length-5-56-nato-1-7-upper-with-bcg-and-charging-handle/ My question is, what barrel does it use? The listing looks almost identical to: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/rifle-kits/20-hammer-forged-chrome-lined-mp-rifle-kit.html However, the rifle kit I ordered does not list the barrel manufacturer. The summaries on the right hand side are identical : Barrel length 20" 5.56 Nato Chamber Chrome-lined bore and chamber High pressure tested and MP inspected barrel 1 in 7" twist .750" gas block diameter M4 Feedramps Forged Upper T-marks M16 Bolt Carrier Group Carpenter 158 Bolt Charging Handle PSA A2 Rifle Lower Build Kit Does anyone know what barrel I will get with this kit? I had assumed it was an FN barrel, but then why would there even be two separate listings? It seems strange to offer two products, with the exact same summaries, and even the same picture, though. |
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If it doesn't say FN and or CHF it will be neither,and the price point says the same thing.Also the big word 'Premium" is included with the CHF version,meaning FN whether CHF is in the description.
As`always YMMV My Premium FN CHF rifle kit was $554 shipped in Feb? and I was happy |
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Fair enough, but then they probably shouldn't use literally the exact same picture and product summary. Even the expanded description is basically the same, minus listing the manufacturer. Very misleading, especially during a sale where they sold out pretty fast, too.
Any idea which barrels they have that on paper, look the same as the FN barrels? Considering they have the same "quick overview" summaries. |
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An A2 upper profile barrel looks like an A2 upper profile barrel
I know what you mean because I saw the $419 kit and wonder3d WTF,did I get taken |
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True! I was just curious which other barrels they feature that are chrome lined, high pressure tested, and MP inspected. When I read those in the product overview, I assumed it was the usual FN barrel (again, the product overviews are 100% identical).
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From PREVIOUS instances,.....if it doesn't say FN CHF.....it isn't. CMV Chrome Lined....but not hammer forged by FN.
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Okay. I get that.
I'm just saying, that it is misleading to have two items with identical specs in the product overviews, and identical pictures. To someone who isn't experience with ordering from PSA, they look like the exact same kit. And apparently everything is the same, other than the barrel. So, what barrel does this come with? I get that it isn't FN. But that isn't really the answer I'm looking for. The specs listed for the barrel are identical to that of the FN barrels. EDIT: Looking at older threads, a lot of people say all MP/HT barrels sold by PSA come from FN. This is what confused me. Does PSA now sell chrome lined, MP/HT barrels from a new manufacturer? |
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Okay. I get that. I'm just saying, that it is misleading to have two items with identical specs in the product overviews, and identical pictures. To someone who isn't experience with ordering from PSA, they look like the exact same kit. And apparently everything is the same, other than the barrel. So, what barrel does this come with? I get that it isn't FN. But that isn't really the answer I'm looking for. The specs listed for the barrel are identical to that of the FN barrels. EDIT: Looking at older threads, a lot of people say all MP/HT barrels sold by PSA come from FN. This is what confused me. Does PSA now sell chrome lined, MP/HT barrels from a new manufacturer? View Quote You got it figured out now |
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Okay. I get that. I'm just saying, that it is misleading to have two items with identical specs in the product overviews, and identical pictures. To someone who isn't experience with ordering from PSA, they look like the exact same kit. And apparently everything is the same, other than the barrel. So, what barrel does this come with? I get that it isn't FN. But that isn't really the answer I'm looking for. The specs listed for the barrel are identical to that of the FN barrels. EDIT: Looking at older threads, a lot of people say all MP/HT barrels sold by PSA come from FN. This is what confused me. Does PSA now sell chrome lined, MP/HT barrels from a new manufacturer? You got it figured out now I want to believe. But the price was too good. PSA always makes me nervous with their too good to be true prices. I guess we'll find out when we get the kits. Otherwise, I'm stumped as to where else they'd get chrome HT/MP barrels. |
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I bought a 20" 5150 CMV chrome lined (not hammer forged) upper from them that was explicitly said to be a FN barrel. That was a few years ago, but at least at one point FN was supplying some of the non-CHF barrels.
Also, not all of the Premium uppers are CHF... check out the M4gery upper at the top of their "barreled uppers" page. Not CHF, but it does explicitly say the barrel is FN. |
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I would be a million dollars that it is just a chrome lined cmv barrel not made by FN. FN barreled uppers are described as such. I am not sure why you are getting upset about the picture. Read more carefully next time....
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I would be a million dollars that it is just a chrome lined cmv barrel not made by FN. FN barreled uppers are described as such. I am not sure why you are getting upset about the picture. Read more carefully next time.... View Quote I'm not upset. I'm sorry if I came off that way. I was just trying to point out that it could be construed as misleading. But, you seem pretty confident in your knowledge of PSA barrels, so where else do they source chrome lined MP/HT barrels? I'd like to know what's included. I'm sure the barrel will be fine, I have just had conflicting answers about what to expect. I'd like to hear from someone who has received a non-FN, but still lined MP/HT barrel. It is still processing so I might as well do some research and get to know her a little better before she arrives. |
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So, I ordered one of these kits for $419.99 during the Cyber Monday sale. Waiting on it to finishing processing, and haven't been able to get through to customer service. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/18873/s/psa-20-rifle-length-5-56-nato-1-7-upper-with-bcg-and-charging-handle/ My question is, what barrel does it use? The listing looks almost identical to: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/rifle-kits/20-hammer-forged-chrome-lined-mp-rifle-kit.html However, the rifle kit I ordered does not list the barrel manufacturer. The summaries on the right hand side are identical : Barrel length 20" 5.56 Nato Chamber Chrome-lined bore and chamber High pressure tested and MP inspected barrel 1 in 7" twist .750" gas block diameter M4 Feedramps Forged Upper T-marks M16 Bolt Carrier Group Carpenter 158 Bolt Charging Handle PSA A2 Rifle Lower Build Kit Does anyone know what barrel I will get with this kit? I had assumed it was an FN barrel, but then why would there even be two separate listings? It seems strange to offer two products, with the exact same summaries, and even the same picture, though. View Quote The listings have similar descriptions and pictures because they have a similar look and nearly identical specifications. If the manufacturer of the barrel is not listed, it will be made by one of our proprietary high quality mil-spec manufacturers. |
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I'm not upset. I'm sorry if I came off that way. I was just trying to point out that it could be construed as misleading. But, you seem pretty confident in your knowledge of PSA barrels, so where else do they source chrome lined MP/HT barrels? I'd like to know what's included. I'm sure the barrel will be fine, I have just had conflicting answers about what to expect. I'd like to hear from someone who has received a non-FN, but still lined MP/HT barrel. It is still processing so I might as well do some research and get to know her a little better before she arrives. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would be a million dollars that it is just a chrome lined cmv barrel not made by FN. FN barreled uppers are described as such. I am not sure why you are getting upset about the picture. Read more carefully next time.... I'm not upset. I'm sorry if I came off that way. I was just trying to point out that it could be construed as misleading. But, you seem pretty confident in your knowledge of PSA barrels, so where else do they source chrome lined MP/HT barrels? I'd like to know what's included. I'm sure the barrel will be fine, I have just had conflicting answers about what to expect. I'd like to hear from someone who has received a non-FN, but still lined MP/HT barrel. It is still processing so I might as well do some research and get to know her a little better before she arrives. they have not released who makes the other barrels. Many assume Wilson, but no one is for sure. I bought the CHF kit for around $550 this year, but the only thing I do know is they will always list FN if it a premium or CHF FN barreled upper. Good luck with your build dude! |
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Hey Palmetto, what grade of barrel steel do your "other proprietary mil spec manufacturers" use?
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Thank you for your inquiry. The barrel steel in that upper is a mil-spec chrome moly vanadium.
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If it is mil spec, then it is 4150 Barrel Steel Grade: 4150 Specification: Mil-B-11595E And then as part of the certification documents would be the chemical analysis to list CMV. Quoted:
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Thank you for your inquiry. The barrel steel in that upper is a mil-spec chrome moly vanadium. Thanks for the answers. It is still chrome lined and HP/MP tested? Yes. The easiest way to tell them apart is the word "premium". If it says "premium" then it is an FN made barrel (most of the time. Stainless steel barrels are different) and all CHF barrels are made by FN as well. If it doesn't mention it, or it just says CMV, it's not FN. Most of the time they will tell you right in the description as well. For example, in this description they specifically say "Barrel is made for us right here in SC by FN Manufacturing." |
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If it is mil spec, then it is 4150 Barrel Steel Grade: 4150 Specification: Mil-B-11595E And then as part of the certification documents would be the chemical analysis to list CMV. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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4140? 4150? If it is mil spec, then it is 4150 Barrel Steel Grade: 4150 Specification: Mil-B-11595E And then as part of the certification documents would be the chemical analysis to list CMV. I know this, but I'd like to see Palmetto confirm whether 4150 is the grade of steel on all their CL barrels. I know in the past they offered some Wilson CL barrels that were 4140. Also that term "mil spec" is thrown around pretty loosely sometimes. |
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I know this, but I'd like to see Palmetto confirm whether 4150 is the grade of steel on all their CL barrels. I know in the past they offered some Wilson CL barrels that were 4140. Also that term "mil spec" is thrown around pretty loosely sometimes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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4140? 4150? If it is mil spec, then it is 4150 Barrel Steel Grade: 4150 Specification: Mil-B-11595E And then as part of the certification documents would be the chemical analysis to list CMV. I know this, but I'd like to see Palmetto confirm whether 4150 is the grade of steel on all their CL barrels. I know in the past they offered some Wilson CL barrels that were 4140. Also that term "mil spec" is thrown around pretty loosely sometimes. That is the mil spec - in this thread, PSA said it is mil spec material. They can't give a blanket answer for the steel used on ALL chrome lined barrels because there is a huge variety and not all will be the same steel. |
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Thank you for your inquiry.
Synyster06Gates is correct. This being Arfcom, there will likely be a metallurgist, or someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, along shortly who will dispute the 4150 reference. Quoted:
If it is mil spec, then it is 4150 Barrel Steel Grade: 4150 Specification: Mil-B-11595E And then as part of the certification documents would be the chemical analysis to list CMV. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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4140? 4150? If it is mil spec, then it is 4150 Barrel Steel Grade: 4150 Specification: Mil-B-11595E And then as part of the certification documents would be the chemical analysis to list CMV. |
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you get your order OP?
I ask b/c mine came in today and it's just the upper . don't know if they just forgot it or are shipping out lpk and stock kit separate. I went ahead and emailed them though. orther than that the upper looks fantastic!!! |
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you get your order OP? I ask b/c mine came in today and it's just the upper . don't know if they just forgot it or are shipping out lpk and stock kit separate. I went ahead and emailed them though. orther than that the upper looks fantastic!!! View Quote Still waiting on mine. It really sucks to wait so long and get the wrong item. Hopefully they get you the rest of the kit, quick. |
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Thanks for the reply. This is one of three kits I ordered. The first came in yesterday and was complete. It was the 16" freedom kit. The third one I probably won't see until after Christmas. It was a 16" cl carbine kit ordered a few days ago.
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They can't give a blanket answer for the steel used on ALL chrome lined barrels because there is a huge variety and not all will be the same steel. View Quote They can give me a straight answer as to whether or not all their chrome lined barrels are 4150. That's all I'm asking for. It's a pretty straightforward yes or no question. |
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you get your order OP? I ask b/c mine came in today and it's just the upper . don't know if they just forgot it or are shipping out lpk and stock kit separate. I went ahead and emailed them though. orther than that the upper looks fantastic!!! View Quote Same with me upper only. I went and looked at my email order confirmation and it says "PSA 20" Rifle Length 5.56 NATO 1:7 Upper with BCG and Charging handle." I took a screen shot of wep page and its says same thing as conf email said plus picture on web page shows the whole kit. I wouldn't have just orderd a upper as I want the whole kit. hmmm |
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They can give me a straight answer as to whether or not all their chrome lined barrels are 4150. That's all I'm asking for. It's a pretty straightforward yes or no question. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
They can't give a blanket answer for the steel used on ALL chrome lined barr. s because there is a huge variety and not all will be the same steel. They can give me a straight answer as to whether or not all their chrome lined barrels are 4150. That's all I'm asking for. It's a pretty straightforward yes or no question. Edit by PSA. Currently, all of our chrome lined barrels are mil-spec, or better, quality chrome moly vanadium steel, also commonly referred to as 4150. |
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I hate when they pull down the listing, makes it just seem suspicious when you send people a cheaper item.
But there are screenshots, and the deal was definitely for the 20" CL mil spec upper, premium BCG, carry handle and A2 lower build kit. The deal was pretty hard to believe, but they honored typos in someother sales. I'm going to be pretty upset if I find out on Tuesday that my order is also incomplete. It always takes so long to ship stuff, and I'm on the west coast. Ugh I'm already mad, it is an inconvenience for me to to wait for the UPS truck so nothing gets stolen.. now I have to do it twice. Anyone find out when the rest of the kit ships? I want PSA to send the BCGs, CH, and A2 kits now.. if I have to wait until Tuesday evening (time zones suck) I won't be able to get in touch with CS on the east coast until Wednesday, then with however long it takes to get them to ship the rest... I've already been staring at this stripped PSA lower for 12 days waiting to build the kit.. now 4 more days to get an incomplete kit. It'll be close to a month before I have everything. Didn't take that long to take all my money. Such an inconvenience. |
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Thank you for your inquiry.
The product was for a build kit. If you did not receive a build kit, contact CS and they will send out the missing items. |
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I hate when they pull down the listing, makes it just seem suspicious when you send people a cheaper item. But there are screenshots, and the deal was definitely for the 20" CL mil spec upper, premium BCG, carry handle and A2 lower build kit. The deal was pretty hard to believe, but they honored typos in someother sales. I'm going to be pretty upset if I find out on Tuesday that my order is also incomplete. It always takes so long to ship stuff, and I'm on the west coast. Ugh I'm already mad, it is an inconvenience for me to to wait for the UPS truck so nothing gets stolen.. now I have to do it twice. Anyone find out when the rest of the kit ships? I want PSA to send the BCGs, CH, and A2 kits now.. if I have to wait until Tuesday evening (time zones suck) I won't be able to get in touch with CS on the east coast until Wednesday, then with however long it takes to get them to ship the rest... I've already been staring at this stripped PSA lower for 12 days waiting to build the kit.. now 4 more days to get an incomplete kit. It'll be close to a month before I have everything. Didn't take that long to take all my money. Such an inconvenience. View Quote You need to take a patience pill. In their description it says all upper receivers, which is part of the build kit, takes up to 15 business days to ship, holiday and special sale lead times may be longer. You ordered on 12/01, Posted in "Where's my order thread" on 12/07, PSA responded to you on 12/08 with Shipping in 1-2 days, which it apparently did. Receivers might come from one warehouse and the LBK might ship from another. Happens all the time and you will probably get two different shipments. You will probably get both by Friday 12/19 (15 business days). PSA upper receivers are signature required anyway. If it's not right, PSA will take of you just like everyone else. On additional note, you said above a Premium BCG. I doubt it will come with a Premium BCG, just a normal BCG (which is still mil-spec) and a good BCG. Good Luck with your build! Once it's all together and you're shooting it, all will be well and better. Good things come to those who wait. me ETA: Also, see the strategic PSA edit on the post above your last post. Barrell is 4150. I don't think you have anything to worry about. Let us know how it goes and how it shoots when you get it built. We all like pictures Good Luck Again! Jeez, I sound like GCO Archer could put it a little more straight forward and funnier |
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I admit, I'm not savvy to the BCGs, but the listing said Bolt: Bolt is made of Mil-spec shot-peened Carpenter 158 steel. Gas key is secured with grade 8 fasteners and staked per mil-spec. Bolt carrier is parkerized outside, and chrome lined inside. Which matched the premium BCG description. But if there is a standard BCG with the same specifications then I'm sure it includes that instead. As for being patient... I was prepared to wait until 15 days, however someone with the same order date, also ordering an upper, was recommended by PSA to post their order number. So, I did too (people with the same order already had had theirs ship). I was then told it would ship in 2 days. So, why should I sit and say nothing? If they shipped other people's orders, and they shipped mine after I commented? Closed mouths don't get fed! If I can make a forum post and get my item a week earlier, why shouldn't I? One correction to my above post, I said carry handle when I meant charging handle. But why would the uppers ship before the rest? The uppers are the items that need the time to assemble. Unless they already sent out the separate package with the missing parts, there is no way I will have my full order by the 19th. It takes over a week to get to my side of the country. And if this was a mistake, then they won't be able to ship the rest until I receive my package to confirm the missing contents. I've bought guns from PSA before, and I've waited up to a month. But I don't think there is sense in waiting and saying nothing while other people are posting that their same orders have shipped. |
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You'll be fine. They are busy along with UPS and everyone else. Nobody here wants you to enjoy another PSA rifle more than we do.
Also, I just had edited my above post. See the post above your previous post. PSA edited to say it's a 4150 barrel. Hopefully, the days will go by fast and you'll have your build shortly. me ETA: I have no clue why some orders ship before others. Sometimes days to a week before someone with the same exact order days before the other person's order. PSA just testing our patience |
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Good stuff. I had just made plans with family to be shooting the gun this next weekend. Probably going to miss that, but oh well I've got some other steals from PSA they can still play with.
If everything comes through as listed in the description, for the $420 sale price it is a fantastic deal. I just have a hard time knowing what comes in what order with PSA, and when the listing is removed it gets easy to forget and over look certain parts of the build. Especially during a sale, with a kit like this that doesn't explicitly state components. I'm sure once everything is here, and sorted, it'll be great. Hopefully some people can post their uppers and kits when they get them, that'll make my wait a little easier. |
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Upper is here... looks good.
The rest of my kit is missing through. Will send a PM. Looks to have the premium BCG! |
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Upper is here... looks good. The rest of my kit is missing through. Will send a PM. Looks to have the premium BCG! View Quote Has anyone recieved the full order yet? 19+ days is a little excessive. Considering shipping takes a week... I don't think I'll even have my order before new years. PSA said they'd ship the lower build kit ASAP, but wouldn't give me an ETA. |
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Has anyone recieved the full order yet? 19+ days is a little excessive. Considering shipping takes a week... I don't think I'll even have my order before new years. PSA said they'd ship the lower build kit ASAP, but wouldn't give me an ETA. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Upper is here... looks good. The rest of my kit is missing through. Will send a PM. Looks to have the premium BCG! Has anyone recieved the full order yet? 19+ days is a little excessive. Considering shipping takes a week... I don't think I'll even have my order before new years. PSA said they'd ship the lower build kit ASAP, but wouldn't give me an ETA. We apologize for the delay. We have PM'd you with information regarding your order. |
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Looks great. I know it'll be worth the wait. I should get a shipping slip in the next 3 days. So in 10 days I'll have the full order. Little weird that two people order the same thing, at the same time and get their orders so far apart. I'm curious of the logistical reasoning.
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Ups to deliver A2 build kit tomorrow. Will be nice to get it put together. Going to build on a Aero lower.
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