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if the regular spring is the one that came with the original kit, then yes. that is correct. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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GCO, what buffer spring did they send you to start with??? the one that came with the shorter buffer. so you got the long (PA10) tube and short buffer and regular spring? if the regular spring is the one that came with the original kit, then yes. that is correct. Really? How do you really know? Some people have been getting longer, stronger springs. Hello? Palmetto? Earth to Palmetto. ET call home! What are the REAL answers here? Customers have a right to know whether you are chasing your tails or actually doing something preemptive and consistent to help your customers before they break something (some already have) or hurt someone. Has anyone noticed that Palmetto hasn't responded to any of this since October 17th? Since this seems to be the only place they are informing customers of the potential problems associated with the PA10 platform (there's certainly nothing on their Website). It also seems they would prefer to leave us all in a lurch and use us for guinea pigs to test our own theories and come up with our own solutions. That sure seems like a high risk approach considering the possible liabilities involved in firearm manufacture and design. Heck, there's enough on these Forums already to cost them a ton if anyone eventually gets hurt using an obvious inadequately tested product. |
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Really? How do you really know? Some people have been getting longer, stronger springs. Hello? Palmetto? Earth to Palmetto. ET call home! What are the REAL answers here? Customers have a right to know whether you are chasing your tails or actually doing something preemptive and consistent to help your customers before they break something (some already have) or hurt someone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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GCO, what buffer spring did they send you to start with??? the one that came with the shorter buffer. so you got the long (PA10) tube and short buffer and regular spring? if the regular spring is the one that came with the original kit, then yes. that is correct. Really? How do you really know? Some people have been getting longer, stronger springs. Hello? Palmetto? Earth to Palmetto. ET call home! What are the REAL answers here? Customers have a right to know whether you are chasing your tails or actually doing something preemptive and consistent to help your customers before they break something (some already have) or hurt someone. After researching the issue, we have corrected the problem. Our .308 carbine spring and H buffer are the correct parts for our kits. If there are still people who need the correct .308 parts, please IM me with your order number. |
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Now put that important information on your Website. Just posting it here doesn't help all the people out there that don't subscribe to this Forum and are doing irreparable damage to their new rifles and don't know it yet. Your customers have a right to know this pertinent information. You may have found the answer but only a select group now knows. This is not only putting the cart before the horse...it's like leaving the horse in the barn altogether.
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Now put that important information on your Website. Just posting it here doesn't help all the people out there that don't subscribe to this Forum and are doing irreparable damage to their new rifles and don't know it yet. Your customers have a right to know this pertinent information. You may have found the answer but only a select group now knows. This not only putting the cart before the horse...it's like leaving the horse in the barn altogether. View Quote this |
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After researching the issue, we have corrected the problem. Our .308 carbine spring and H buffer are the correct parts for our kits. If there are still people who need the correct .308 parts, please IM me with your order number. View Quote ok.. guess ill be imming again, cause the replacements were the wrong parts. |
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Shot mine today with the dpms 308 carbine buffer, spring, and tube from brownells, performed flawless.
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Shot mine today with the dpms 308 carbine buffer, spring, and tube from brownells, performed flawless. View Quote Thank you very much for posting this update. I suspected that would be the case. Now I'm actually looking forward to getting the right lower parts next Wednesday and getting the rifle running with that standard buffer tube, short 308 buffer and 308 spring. I might actually put it on my shoulder for the first shot instead of using the gun vise and string. Maybe, after all, I didn't waste my money on that fixed carbine stock I want on it. How was the accuracy? Or were you simply function testing. You did look inside to see if there was any buffer tube or receiver impact damage right? I would seriously doubt there would be since it doesn't happen on DPMS carbines with the same setup. Mark another success by the PSA testing G Pigs! |
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Thank you very much for posting this update. I suspected that would be the case. Now I'm actually looking forward to getting the right lower parts next Wednesday and getting the rifle running with that standard buffer tube, short 308 buffer and 308 spring. I might actually put it on my shoulder for the first shot instead of using the gun vise and string. Maybe, after all, I didn't waste my money on that fixed carbine stock I want on it. How was the accuracy? Or were you simply function testing. You did look inside to see if there was any buffer tube or receiver impact damage right? I would seriously doubt there would be since it doesn't happen on DPMS carbines with the same setup. Mark another success by the PSA testing G Pigs! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Shot mine today with the dpms 308 carbine buffer, spring, and tube from brownells, performed flawless. Thank you very much for posting this update. I suspected that would be the case. Now I'm actually looking forward to getting the right lower parts next Wednesday and getting the rifle running with that standard buffer tube, short 308 buffer and 308 spring. I might actually put it on my shoulder for the first shot instead of using the gun vise and string. Maybe, after all, I didn't waste my money on that fixed carbine stock I want on it. How was the accuracy? Or were you simply function testing. You did look inside to see if there was any buffer tube or receiver impact damage right? I would seriously doubt there would be since it doesn't happen on DPMS carbines with the same setup. Mark another success by the PSA testing G Pigs! I put about 25 thru it from 50-130yds and it grouped pretty good. Checked inside and no damage to receiver at all. I am pleased overall. |
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OK, I am totally confused here. I just got my kit yesterday, still haven't ordered the lower but will this week. Since neither the spring or the buffer are labeled, how do I tell if I have the correct, functional setup? My buffer measures 2 1/2 inches long (I have no way to weigh it). My spring is 11 1/4 inches long and has 26 coils. Is this the bad combination or the one that will prevent the BCG from crashing into the lower?
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OK, I am totally confused here. I just got my kit yesterday, still haven't ordered the lower but will this week. Since neither the spring or the buffer are labeled, how do I tell if I have the correct, functional setup? My buffer measures 2 1/2 inches long (I have no way to weigh it). My spring is 11 1/4 inches long and has 26 coils. Is this the bad combination or the one that will prevent the BCG from crashing into the lower? View Quote It sounds like you received the incorrect buffer. Please send me a message with your order number and we'll send a replacement as soon as possible. |
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Quoted: It sounds like you received the incorrect buffer. Please send me a message with your order number and we'll send a replacement as soon as possible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: OK, I am totally confused here. I just got my kit yesterday, still haven't ordered the lower but will this week. Since neither the spring or the buffer are labeled, how do I tell if I have the correct, functional setup? My buffer measures 2 1/2 inches long (I have no way to weigh it). My spring is 11 1/4 inches long and has 26 coils. Is this the bad combination or the one that will prevent the BCG from crashing into the lower? It sounds like you received the incorrect buffer. Please send me a message with your order number and we'll send a replacement as soon as possible. Still waiting for mine ...and I've IM'd a couple times...the poor rifle sits until I can get my hands on the parts (don't want to risk damage to the lower). |
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OK, I am totally confused here. I just got my kit yesterday, still haven't ordered the lower but will this week. Since neither the spring or the buffer are labeled, how do I tell if I have the correct, functional setup? My buffer measures 2 1/2 inches long (I have no way to weigh it). My spring is 11 1/4 inches long and has 26 coils. Is this the bad combination or the one that will prevent the BCG from crashing into the lower? View Quote Wow, I can't believe they are still sending out the wrong parts in their kits. I wonder what all those folks that don't subscribe to the Site are doing. Beating their lowers to death? Certainly they are yet there's still no info on the PSA Website concerning this FUBAR. Come on guys. Bite the bullet and give your current real and potential customers a break here and post a PA10 Q&A on your Website to advise them about what is required to properly set up this rifle for safe and reliable use. And, for God's sake, stop sending out any more build kits and complete lowers until you make damn sure that the correct parts are included to prevent damage to the rifles. Your customers deserve better than this and the time for foot dragging is way, way past. You are going to lose a lot of customers because of this. You've already lost me and I haven't even got my PA10 running yet....your fault BTW |
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NOTE: Another wrinkle in the PA10 world. Not a buffer issue but an issue none the less if you planned on upgrading the trigger to a Rock River NM trigger. Before you buy one you need to know that a Rock River NM trigger will not work in a PA10 unless you plan on modifying the hammer. The hammer will not depress far enough to allow the carrier to fully retract. I suspect removing material from the upper rounded edge of the hammer would solve the problem if you are into that sort of thing. The single stage QMS trigger that came with my kit is actually pretty nice but I'm disappointed the RR won't work. Good thing I have another lower it can go into. That one has JP springs in it so I may try those on the QMS trigger to lighten the 6#+ trigger pull. No creep or grittiness in the QMS though. Very nice enhanced Mil Spec trigger.
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Looks like the PA10 is a wait and see ordeal. Such as wait and see if it gets fixed.
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You had to post this in every single pa10 thread rather than the trigger thread? http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy329/pedrowarez/nmcdx0_zps19169202.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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NOTE: Another wrinkle in the PA10 world. Not a buffer issue but an issue none the less if you planned on upgrading the trigger to a Rock River NM trigger. Before you buy one you need to know that a Rock River NM trigger will not work in a PA10 unless you plan on modifying the hammer. The hammer will not depress far enough to allow the carrier to fully retract. I suspect removing material from the upper rounded edge of the hammer would solve the problem if you are into that sort of thing. The single stage QMS trigger that came with my kit is actually pretty nice but I'm disappointed the RR won't work. Good thing I have another lower it can go into. That one has JP springs in it so I may try those on the QMS trigger to lighten the 6#+ trigger pull. No creep or grittiness in the QMS though. Very nice enhanced Mil Spec trigger. You had to post this in every single pa10 thread rather than the trigger thread? http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy329/pedrowarez/nmcdx0_zps19169202.gif +1 exactly! |
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You had to post this in every single pa10 thread rather than the trigger thread? http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy329/pedrowarez/nmcdx0_zps19169202.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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NOTE: Another wrinkle in the PA10 world. Not a buffer issue but an issue none the less if you planned on upgrading the trigger to a Rock River NM trigger. Before you buy one you need to know that a Rock River NM trigger will not work in a PA10 unless you plan on modifying the hammer. The hammer will not depress far enough to allow the carrier to fully retract. I suspect removing material from the upper rounded edge of the hammer would solve the problem if you are into that sort of thing. The single stage QMS trigger that came with my kit is actually pretty nice but I'm disappointed the RR won't work. Good thing I have another lower it can go into. That one has JP springs in it so I may try those on the QMS trigger to lighten the 6#+ trigger pull. No creep or grittiness in the QMS though. Very nice enhanced Mil Spec trigger. You had to post this in every single pa10 thread rather than the trigger thread? http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy329/pedrowarez/nmcdx0_zps19169202.gif Since it only applies to PA10's it seemed appropriate instead of hidden away where PA10 owners might not even see it. You into conserving server space for the Forum or what? |
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Since it only applies to PA10's it seemed appropriate instead of hidden away where PA10 owners might not even see it. You into conserving server space for the Forum or what? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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NOTE: Another wrinkle in the PA10 world. Not a buffer issue but an issue none the less if you planned on upgrading the trigger to a Rock River NM trigger. Before you buy one you need to know that a Rock River NM trigger will not work in a PA10 unless you plan on modifying the hammer. The hammer will not depress far enough to allow the carrier to fully retract. I suspect removing material from the upper rounded edge of the hammer would solve the problem if you are into that sort of thing. The single stage QMS trigger that came with my kit is actually pretty nice but I'm disappointed the RR won't work. Good thing I have another lower it can go into. That one has JP springs in it so I may try those on the QMS trigger to lighten the 6#+ trigger pull. No creep or grittiness in the QMS though. Very nice enhanced Mil Spec trigger. You had to post this in every single pa10 thread rather than the trigger thread? http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy329/pedrowarez/nmcdx0_zps19169202.gif Since it only applies to PA10's it seemed appropriate instead of hidden away where PA10 owners might not even see it. You into conserving server space for the Forum or what? Here you go 13er |
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Yeah, well your fancy links only seen to discuss Geissele triggers 14er. Explain how that would tell people about RRA triggers.
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I took the PA10 out today to function test with the standard carbine receiver extension (AR15 buffer tube), short 308 carbine buffer and 308 carbine buffer spring. For the most part it functioned fine except that it doesn't lock the bolt back after the last round with the Federal LC M80 stuff PSA sells and acted the same with some close to minimum loaded reloads. With the LC stuff, that seemed and bit wimpy based on recoil, I had two jams/FTF but the rest fed and fired fine except no bolt lock back. My 168gr moderate reloads fed, fired and locked back the bolt. After 200 rounds of break-in I suspect it will function on most anything since I think it was just barely short stroking.
It seems that the combo of the shorter carbine buffer tube, short 308 buffer and heavy 308 spring is a combo that will work without having to buy the longer tube specific to PSA. Just treat it like a DPMS 308 buffer system and it's fine...no receiver contact, no buffer tube contact. FYI, accuracy was actually very decent. I only shot at a target at 50yards and it shot 1/2" groups with the reloads. I zeroed it about 2" low at that range and then shot at a 12" square steel at 200 yards and hit it 9 out of 10 shots. This sucker has recoil too. A far cry from both my 6.8 SPC and my 223's. |
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I took the PA10 out today to function test with the standard carbine receiver extension (AR15 buffer tube), short 308 carbine buffer and 308 carbine buffer spring. For the most part it functioned fine except that it doesn't lock the bolt back after the last round with the Federal LC M80 stuff PSA sells and acted the same with some close to minimum loaded reloads. With the LC stuff, that seemed and bit wimpy based on recoil, I had two jams/FTF but the rest fed and fired fine except no bolt lock back. My 168gr moderate reloads fed, fired and locked back the bolt. After 200 rounds of break-in I suspect it will function on most anything since I think it was just barely short stroking. It seems that the combo of the shorter carbine buffer tube, short 308 buffer and heavy 308 spring is a combo that will work without having to buy the longer tube specific to PSA. Just treat it like a DPMS 308 buffer system and it's fine...no receiver contact, no buffer tube contact. FYI, accuracy was actually very decent. I only shot at a target at 50yards and it shot 1/2" groups with the reloads. I zeroed it about 2" low at that range and then shot at a 12" square steel at 200 yards and hit it 9 out of 10 shots. This sucker has recoil too. A far cry from both my 6.8 SPC and my 223's. View Quote Sorry if you stated earlier, but which variant of PA10 if you don't mind me asking. And by "standard carbine receiver extension" Do you mean you disassembled and re-assembled with another company's part. If so, which one? which wrench did you use? I ask cuz my 16-in PA10 upper may get torn down and the barrel turned down to drop some weight. |
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"Sorry if you stated earlier, but which variant of PA10 if you don't mind me asking. And by "standard carbine receiver extension" Do you mean you disassembled and re-assembled with another company's part. If so, which one? which wrench did you use? I ask cuz my 16-in PA10 upper may get torn down and the barrel turned down to drop some weight." I built the lower from a stripped PA10 lower. I used a PA10 lower parts kit that didn't include the buffer "system". As a buffer system I installed a standard carbine length DPMS receiver extension (3/4" shorter than the PSA supplied one) a standard short DPMS 2.5" 308 3.8oz carbine buffer and a DPMS 308 27 coil buffer spring. As indicated it functioned with that combination. PSA has recommended the 3/4" longer receiver extension, the AR15 3.25" H buffer and the 308 strength buffer spring. Both combinations accomplish the same thing. That is preventing the BCG from contacting the receiver as it retracts during firing. With my combo, even with the spring removed and only the buffer inserted in the RE the buffer bottoms out before the BCG contacts. The same would be true with the PSA combination. I chose to use the combo I did because I wanted to use a Magpul fixed carbine stock and that would only fit on a standard length receiver extension. |
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here it is simplified
if you use a standard buffer tube, us a SHORT H buffer if you use a PA10 tube use a standard H buffer |
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here it is simplified if you use a standard buffer tube, us a SHORT H buffer if you use a PA10 tube use a standard H buffer View Quote MAN! If this post and the one right before it were at the top, this would save folks lots of hearache! Thank you both! Now I get to decide the route I want to go. |
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If I am going to run an ACE skeleton stock with an A1/A2 buffer tube, I'll need a 308 rifle length spring and the 308 rifle buffer?
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i would say you have to run a shorter rifle buffer as well? can anyone confirm?
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What is the A1/A2 buffer tube length? Should be pretty easy to figure out. As long as there is 4.25-4.5" of space from the back of the buffer to the back of the buffer tube, it should be good.
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All rifle length tubes are the same length. For 308 you must run a DPMS style 308 length and weight rifle buffer (shorter than AR15) and DPMS style 308 rifle buffer spring (stronger than AR15).
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All rifle length tubes are the same length. For 308 you must run a DPMS style 308 length and weight rifle buffer (shorter than AR15) and DPMS style 308 rifle buffer spring (stronger than AR15). View Quote Thanks guys, Just wanted to double check, I was pretty sure but all the PSA 308 compatibility threads have got my head spinnning! I've got those in my cart at Midway, just hoping for a deal on Friday. Finger crossed for free shipping |
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I have sent a couple of IM's and have not heard a reply. I know your IM box is probably full. My lower will be here this week, and word on when I will get the correct buffer?
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If any of you guys are looking for a complete guide on 308 AR stock setups, go here.
Not only will the DPMS rifle buffer and springs work, ArmaLite ones will too. The ArmaLite and DPMS rifle buffers are nearly identical, the springs are slightly different. Both are cost effective options. |
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I just checked my pa-10 buffer/spring set up. The buffer is a H-buffer, but my spring has 37 coils and is 12 3/4 long. That can not be the right spring right.?
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I just checked my pa-10 buffer/spring set up. The buffer is a H-buffer, but my spring has 37 coils and is 12 3/4 long. That can not be the right spring right.? View Quote That is not right. It should be a Carbine length spring. You got a rifle length. Carbine should be about 11 1/2 to 11 3/4" long. Your buffer should be 3 1/4" long if you have the PSA marked longer extension. IM them and wait. |
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If any of you guys are looking for a complete guide on 308 AR stock setups, go here. Not only will the DPMS rifle buffer and springs work, ArmaLite ones will too. The ArmaLite and DPMS rifle buffers are nearly identical, the springs are slightly different. Both are cost effective options. View Quote Be careful what you say here. All of it depends on the receiver extension you use. PSA carbine (3/4" longer), DPMS carbine (3/4" shorter) or rifle length. |
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Be careful what you say here. All of it depends on the receiver extension you use. PSA carbine (3/4" longer), DPMS carbine (3/4" shorter) or rifle length. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If any of you guys are looking for a complete guide on 308 AR stock setups, go here. Not only will the DPMS rifle buffer and springs work, ArmaLite ones will too. The ArmaLite and DPMS rifle buffers are nearly identical, the springs are slightly different. Both are cost effective options. Be careful what you say here. All of it depends on the receiver extension you use. PSA carbine (3/4" longer), DPMS carbine (3/4" shorter) or rifle length. You quoted my post, try reading it this time. I highlighted the pertinent parts in bold for you. |
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Quoted: It sounds like you received the incorrect buffer. Please send me a message with your order number and we'll send a replacement as soon as possible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: OK, I am totally confused here. I just got my kit yesterday, still haven't ordered the lower but will this week. Since neither the spring or the buffer are labeled, how do I tell if I have the correct, functional setup? My buffer measures 2 1/2 inches long (I have no way to weigh it). My spring is 11 1/4 inches long and has 26 coils. Is this the bad combination or the one that will prevent the BCG from crashing into the lower? It sounds like you received the incorrect buffer. Please send me a message with your order number and we'll send a replacement as soon as possible. |
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Just got my notification of replacements on their way; took a little over a month to get to this point. Not too big of a deal as I had my own parts I could sub in. This is just an FYI in case anyone thinks they'll be getting replacements sent out the next day
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Quoted: Just got my notification of replacements on their way; took a little over a month to get to this point. Not too big of a deal as I had my own parts I could sub in. This is just an FYI in case anyone thinks they'll be getting replacements sent out the next day View Quote did you send them an emial or IM?
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