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Anyone fit a UTG Pro Super Slim (I'm hearing the "low" 308 version fits this) on their PA10 upper (gen1 or 2)? If so, can you please post some pics of it?
ETA: oh, and I have to say... even though I have a Gen2, I think the Gen1 is WAY nicer looking. The Gen2 looks bulky and cheaper (not a fan of flat side 308 mag well look). I'm not sure why the change (unless the flat side lower is cheaper to produce?)? Why add the extra weight (thicker mag well and upper) unless it was needed (as well as making it "blocky" looking and less like a standard AR). Did the Gen1 have structural issues? |
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Originally Posted By MaverickAA:
Anyone fit a UTG Pro Super Slim (I'm hearing the "low" 308 version fits this) on their PA10 upper (gen1 or 2)? If so, can you please post some pics of it? ETA: oh, and I have to say... even though I have a Gen2, I think the Gen1 is WAY nicer looking. The Gen2 looks bulky and cheaper (not a fan of flat side 308 mag well look). I'm not sure why the change (unless the flat side lower is cheaper to produce?)? Why add the extra weight (thicker mag well and upper) unless it was needed (as well as making it "blocky" looking and less like a standard AR). Did the Gen1 have structural issues? View Quote It is the "low" version. This is what I ordered: http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-pro-13in-super-slim-free-float-rail.html |
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I have a premium Gen1 PA-10 with FN barrel chambered in 7.62 x51.
I have a surplus of .308 commercial Winchester and Federal ammo laying around that was donated to me. Anyone using .308 ammo in their 7.62 x51? My understanding is the biggest concern is that 7.62 x51 headspace can be slightly longer than .308. Anyone know what PSA headspaces their 7.62 x51 at? Just looking for feedback to see if anyone else is using the ammo interchangeably in a 7.62 x51 barrel or if anyone knows PSA headspacing specs. Thanks in advance. |
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[#6]
Originally Posted By majorcollins:
Here is my gen1 from 2015: https://i.snag.gy/H8qOYo.jpg https://i.snag.gy/Ov4032.jpg It is the "low" version. This is what I ordered: http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-pro-13in-super-slim-free-float-rail.html View Quote |
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I'm trying to finish up my PA10 Gen2 parts list. I keep reading that the PA10 does NOT use standard length gas tubes. Is this correct?
I'm building with a mid length (faxon barrel). I have read two different posters (other sites) BOTH claim standard mid length tubes do NOT work for the PA10 set up. They both used Armalite AR-10 Carbine tubes (Armalite carbine tubes are 12-1/16" long). They both said standard mid length tubes fit, but will result in short stroking due to them not going into the gas key enough. Has this been sorted out? Or are builders just supposed to somehow know this (since I don't see it ANYWHERE listed/talked about, other than on non PSA forums)? The gas tube is the last piece I need to sort out.... could I please get a CLEAR answer as to which tube is correct for a mid gas barrel (faxon)? Thank you for any info on this! |
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Originally Posted By MaverickAA:
I'm trying to finish up my PA10 Gen2 parts list. I keep reading that the PA10 does NOT use standard length gas tubes. Is this correct? I'm building with a mid length (faxon barrel). I have read two different posters (other sites) BOTH claim standard mid length tubes do NOT work for the PA10 set up. They both used Armalite AR-10 Carbine tubes (Armalite carbine tubes are 12-1/16" long). They both said standard mid length tubes fit, but will result in short stroking due to them not going into the gas key enough. Has this been sorted out? Or are builders just supposed to somehow know this (since I don't see it ANYWHERE listed/talked about, other than on non PSA forums)? The gas tube is the last piece I need to sort out.... could I please get a CLEAR answer as to which tube is correct for a mid gas barrel (faxon)? Thank you for any info on this! View Quote For PA10 midlength, Armalite "carbine" is the correct length (5/16" longer than AR15 midlength). For PA10 rifle length, Armalite "rifle" is the correct length (5/16" longer than AR15 rifle). Obviously these are spec'd for armalite tubes, and not sure why PSA doesn't use them (or recommend them) instead of buggering them up with short tubes, but it is what it is (and probably the source of many people's "short stroking" complaints). Hope this helps anyone thinking of barreling their own PA10 upper receiver. Thought I'd share, since there is such little info about it to find. You can do/build it with the AR15 tubes (short, not to middle of cam pin cutout), or do it the right way to spec (proper length, middle of cam pin cutout) with Armalite tubes. Also... if you're having "short stroking" issues...I'd highly suggest putting in the proper length gas tube. |
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I just got a complete upper for my Gen 2. On the website it shows the firing pin retaining pin looking like the cotter pin-style ones in a standard AR15 BCG, but the one in my BCG looks completely different. I'm curious how it comes out to clean and lubricate? I'm not sure if it is a pressed-fit pin or a screw.
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[Last Edit: PalmettoStateArmory]
[#10]
Originally Posted By rayburne:
I have a premium Gen1 PA-10 with FN barrel chambered in 7.62 x51. --- My understanding is the biggest concern is that 7.62 x51 headspace can be slightly longer than .308. Thanks in advance. View Quote The difference between the two chambers lies in the area that the bullet part of the cartridge occupies. Specifically, how far down the barrel the lands and grooves start (the lede). This area is not measured by a headspace gauge. A 7.62x51 chamber has more room in this area, as combat reliability with widely manufactured ammo is more important that absolute accuracy. A 308 chamber has the lands and grooves starting much sooner to enhance accuracy. |
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
The headspace is the same for both. The allowable shape of the bullets is difference between the two. The difference between the two chambers lies in the area that the bullet part of the cartridge occupies. Specifically, how far down the barrel the lands and grooves start (the lede). This area is not measured by a headspace gauge. A 7.62x51 chamber has more room in this area, as combat reliability with widely manufactured ammo is more important that absolute accuracy. A 308 chamber has the lands and grooves starting much sooner to enhance accuracy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
Originally Posted By rayburne:
I have a premium Gen1 PA-10 with FN barrel chambered in 7.62 x51. --- My understanding is the biggest concern is that 7.62 x51 headspace can be slightly longer than .308. Thanks in advance. The difference between the two chambers lies in the area that the bullet part of the cartridge occupies. Specifically, how far down the barrel the lands and grooves start (the lede). This area is not measured by a headspace gauge. A 7.62x51 chamber has more room in this area, as combat reliability with widely manufactured ammo is more important that absolute accuracy. A 308 chamber has the lands and grooves starting much sooner to enhance accuracy. |
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Does the gen 2 lowers use standard dpms pattern take down pins?
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Palmetto State Armory
200 Business Park Blvd Columbia, SC 29203 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 [email protected] |
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Palmetto State Armory
200 Business Park Blvd Columbia, SC 29203 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 [email protected] |
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Any more GEN 1 lowers and uppers being made?
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Anyone have issues with the larue mbt in the PA-10 g2?
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OK, I'm officially confused. I have a complete Gen1 lower purchased directly from PSA. It's been in my safe for several years. I'm ready to buy an upper. A unit on sale right now says this under the tech specs:
"The Gen2 PA10 receivers are functionally compatible with the Gen1 upper receivers, however we recommend matching Gen2 lowers to Gen2 uppers for best appearance. There are external cosmetic differences when mixing Gen1 and Gen2 upper and lower receivers that some may not find appealing. Gen1 lowers will be available in the future for those who want a cosmetic match". I'm sorry, but that's just confusing to me. Bottom line, am I going to regret putting that Gen 2 upper on my Gen1 Lower? |
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Originally Posted By steveodell59:
OK, I'm officially confused. I have a complete Gen1 lower purchased directly from PSA. It's been in my safe for several years. I'm ready to buy an upper. A unit on sale right now says this under the tech specs: "The Gen2 PA10 receivers are functionally compatible with the Gen1 upper receivers, however we recommend matching Gen2 lowers to Gen2 uppers for best appearance. There are external cosmetic differences when mixing Gen1 and Gen2 upper and lower receivers that some may not find appealing. Gen1 lowers will be available in the future for those who want a cosmetic match". I'm sorry, but that's just confusing to me. Bottom line, am I going to regret putting that Gen 2 upper on my Gen1 Lower? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By steveodell59:
OK, I'm officially confused. I have a complete Gen1 lower purchased directly from PSA. It's been in my safe for several years. I'm ready to buy an upper. A unit on sale right now says this under the tech specs: "The Gen2 PA10 receivers are functionally compatible with the Gen1 upper receivers, however we recommend matching Gen2 lowers to Gen2 uppers for best appearance. There are external cosmetic differences when mixing Gen1 and Gen2 upper and lower receivers that some may not find appealing. Gen1 lowers will be available in the future for those who want a cosmetic match". I'm sorry, but that's just confusing to me. Bottom line, am I going to regret putting that Gen 2 upper on my Gen1 Lower? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By steveodell59:
OK, I'm officially confused. I have a complete Gen1 lower purchased directly from PSA. It's been in my safe for several years. I'm ready to buy an upper. A unit on sale right now says this under the tech specs: "The Gen2 PA10 receivers are functionally compatible with the Gen1 upper receivers, however we recommend matching Gen2 lowers to Gen2 uppers for best appearance. There are external cosmetic differences when mixing Gen1 and Gen2 upper and lower receivers that some may not find appealing. Gen1 lowers will be available in the future for those who want a cosmetic match". I'm sorry, but that's just confusing to me. Bottom line, am I going to regret putting that Gen 2 upper on my Gen1 Lower? View Quote Seriously though... I have an entire Gen 2 set and will not build it. It's ugly. I can't imagine the sales of the G2 being anywhere near that of the G1. I think PSA knows this but is pushing the G2 since they invested in it. But hey, there are others making "stock" looking 308 sets, so PSA's loss. They also don't seem to care about those that want matching uppers/lowers (despite saying there would be future offerings of such)... so I no longer care about THEM. If anyone want's a G2 complete lower/stripped upper set, let me know, it's for sale (IM me). |
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Will the Gen 2 upper work with a Gen 1 lower?
When did the lowers change from Gen 1 to 2? |
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"All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take." -Ghandi
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[#24]
Originally Posted By MaverickAA:
Gen 2 works with Gen 1... just looks awful. Well, I should say, Gen 1 lower with Gen 2 upper would look half as awful as an entire Gen 2 rifle Seriously though... I have an entire Gen 2 set and will not build it. It's ugly. I can't imagine the sales of the G2 being anywhere near that of the G1. I think PSA knows this but is pushing the G2 since they invested in it. But hey, there are others making "stock" looking 308 sets, so PSA's loss. They also don't seem to care about those that want matching uppers/lowers (despite saying there would be future offerings of such)... so I no longer care about THEM. If anyone want's a G2 complete lower/stripped upper set, let me know, it's for sale (IM me). View Quote |
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Finally completed my PTAC/PA10 build after slowly cobbling the parts together. Started with the SLR 3 clicks open and ended up at either 6 or 7 open. Brass ejecting perfectly. Rand about 80 rounds through it after the gas was set with no issues.
Definitely one of the more fun rifles to use at the range. There have been so many questions and loose ends that I looked up everything I used to build this rifle (it has a rifle length extension, not carbine). Hope this helps others who are on the same path. PTAC TAC-10 lower serial prefix TB002 (this started the whole thing.. browsing through the store and they had it for $79 on I guess what was closeout) PA10 complete upper receiver #482768 $140 PA10 parts kit (think I picked it up at the store.. I can't find a receipt) DPMS receiver extension (rifle length) midway #489724 $15 DPMS buffer spring LR-308 midway #797669 $7 DMPS buffer LR-308 rifle midway #913498 $20 Magpul MOE rifle stock midway #518869 $56 KAK value-line 16" mid melonite $106 KAK LR-308 BCG double ejector $153 UTG Pro Superslim 13" (also through KAK) $128 SLR adjustable gas block (get from righttobear.com [cheaper there]) $108 Spikes melonite mid gas tube righttobear $14 LaRue MBT trigger $99 I threw a Burris AR-332 on a GDI mount for optics (because I had them). I wanted a 1-4 optic but after using the ar-332 I think it will work just fine for a range gun. At about $900 for the rifle and another $250 in optics I'm pretty pleased. Can't speak for accuracy as I forgot my sled and I am far from being an type of marksman. But I will definitely run it on the sled to find out. |
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Originally Posted By mudman:
What about it is so ugly? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mudman:
Originally Posted By MaverickAA:
Gen 2 works with Gen 1... just looks awful. Well, I should say, Gen 1 lower with Gen 2 upper would look half as awful as an entire Gen 2 rifle Seriously though... I have an entire Gen 2 set and will not build it. It's ugly. I can't imagine the sales of the G2 being anywhere near that of the G1. I think PSA knows this but is pushing the G2 since they invested in it. But hey, there are others making "stock" looking 308 sets, so PSA's loss. They also don't seem to care about those that want matching uppers/lowers (despite saying there would be future offerings of such)... so I no longer care about THEM. If anyone want's a G2 complete lower/stripped upper set, let me know, it's for sale (IM me). |
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There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is... how do we arm the other eleven?
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PSA branded PA-10 10rd magazines were available months ago and thus far have been removed from the site. Will these return soon, PSA?
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It came in today. Initial review, dang it's nice.
Matched up the upper and lower and they look fantastic. The lower was a "blem" but dang if I can find it. It's a tad heavy, but then it's a 308 and still lighter than both my M1As. I am very happy so far. Next step, a run for ceracoat in Magpul grey. ETA: Now to find the best round. I've got plenty of 147-168 rounds for the M1As, but the Scout and the Loaded each have their preferred rounds. |
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[#29]
Gen 1 lowers were in the email yesterday for $99.
I hope those of you posting in this thread looking for them have purchased. |
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[#30]
Got mine...
Thanks PSA. |
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glad to see trump in office - plenty of guns and ammo available now
my ar10 gen2 is coming around. she still has feed failures but after ~100rds, she is starting to feed. I can get 5-10 good consecutive feeds between failures compared to every feed was a failure out of the box. |
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Originally Posted By thesilverbullet:
glad to see trump in office - plenty of guns and ammo available now my ar10 gen2 is coming around. she still has feed failures but after ~100rds, she is starting to feed. I can get 5-10 good consecutive feeds between failures compared to every feed was a failure out of the box. View Quote Adjustable gas block solved my problems in about 10 rounds (however, I am PTAC/gen1). Are you having a failure to eject? Where are the rounds landing that do eject? ETA: what mags? I saw another post about PMAGs being tight in the G2. Guy had to file something down to get them to seat properly. |
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I just finished function firing mine, everything handled fine from 147-168, haven't tried 175s as I need to set permanent glass and zero for accuracy. PMAG 10, 20, and 25 rounders working great - a tad tight in the mag well, but I'd rather have tight than lose to start and hey, nobody is shooting back at me so quick changes/ reloading isn't an issue.
I am very happy. Thanks all. |
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Will the pri gen 3 Dpms forearm work with the pa10 upper receiver? I bought an upper last March, it currently wears an SLR ultra lite.
Eta I think I found my answer. The pri is the older high profile according to Brownells |
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So, I've got my PA-10 on order. I noticed early on in this thread there were some comments about Geissele triggers not fitting correctly. Has that been fixed? Sorry, this is a very long thread so I haven't been able to make my way all the way through it. I've also got an SSA coming that I plan to install in the PA-10 so I'm hoping that it fits!
Has anyone fitted a suppressor to their PA-10? I don't yet have a 7.62 suppressor but I certainly do plan to get one eventually. I'd be interested to hear what others' experiences have been with suppression of this platform. |
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa10-stripped-308-lower-receiver.html
looks like Gen1 lowers are back! I had my first run Gen1 lower sitting in the safe for nearly 2 years, finally ordered a Gen2 upper during memorial day sales. Patiently waiting. |
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ooops wrong post
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my gen2 ar10 is getting better at feeding. took her to the range today and she only had one feed failure out of a 20rd box. before going out i soaked her down with rem oil. also the temp is in the upper 80's here in the deep south so i'm sure that helps compared to the high 30's when i first got her. i also changed to my 20rd magpul mag. so i have convened myself that this is a break-in deal.
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[#39]
I guess if you want a carry handle rear sight you wait for an Armalight to show up?
DPMS no longer manufactured? No PSA of course. Or throw a GI A4 on it being short..... |
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[#41]
Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
The headspace is the same for both. The allowable shape of the bullets is difference between the two. The difference between the two chambers lies in the area that the bullet part of the cartridge occupies. Specifically, how far down the barrel the lands and grooves start (the lede). This area is not measured by a headspace gauge. A 7.62x51 chamber has more room in this area, as combat reliability with widely manufactured ammo is more important that absolute accuracy. A 308 chamber has the lands and grooves starting much sooner to enhance accuracy. View Quote The PA10 is 308, the barrel is marked 308, and a 7.62x51 GO gauge will not close, at least on mine anyway, not even close. Yes, the extractor and ejector have been removed. When I ordered my PA10, I ordered some 7.62x51 PPU ammo with brass casings since I didn't think steel is a good idea in a PA10. Well, guess what, the 7.62x51 ain't even close to chambering, just like the GO gauge. No, the GO gauge and 7.62x51 rounds aren't hitting the lands. Picked up a box of 308 Monarch steel at Academy and it chambers fine, so does a buddy's 308 hunting rounds he uses in his deer rifle. I don't have a 308 GO gauge. So my question is, do I need to run several hundreds of dollars of 308 ammo to "break it in" to where it might take 7.62x51 that you are trying to say is the same? Armalite AR10 is 7.62x51, not 308. Whoever at PSA decided to make the PA10 in 308 instead of 7.62x51 blew it imho...... Me? I'm not happy because I didn't know the PSA 308 AR won't readily eat cheap 7.62x51 ammo..... Yes, it's my fault. But so far this $600 PA10 isn't turning out to be the bargain I thought it was; I'd rather spent $800 for a rifle that will shoot 7.62x51 right out of the box. Edit : earlier PSA says they dont recommend running 7.62x51 in the PA10 308 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_301/265888_PSA_PA10_Question_Re__7_62_NATO_ammo_.html |
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[#43]
Originally Posted By 4356:
This is my first AR308, AR10, PA10 whatever we call it. The PA10 is 308, the barrel is marked 308, and a 7.62x51 GO gauge will not close, at least on mine anyway, not even close. Yes, the extractor and ejector have been removed. When I ordered my PA10, I ordered some 7.62x51 PPU ammo with brass casings since I didn't think steel is a good idea in a PA10. Well, guess what, the 7.62x51 ain't even close to chambering, just like the GO gauge. No, the GO gauge and 7.62x51 rounds aren't hitting the lands. Picked up a box of 308 Monarch steel at Academy and it chambers fine, so does a buddy's 308 hunting rounds he uses in his deer rifle. I don't have a 308 GO gauge. So my question is, do I need to run several hundreds of dollars of 308 ammo to "break it in" to where it might take 7.62x51 that you are trying to say is the same? Armalite AR10 is 7.62x51, not 308. Whoever at PSA decided to make the PA10 in 308 instead of 7.62x51 blew it imho...... Me? I'm not happy because I didn't know the PSA 308 AR won't readily eat cheap 7.62x51 ammo..... Yes, it's my fault. But so far this $600 PA10 isn't turning out to be the bargain I thought it was; I'd rather spent $800 for a rifle that will shoot 7.62x51 right out of the box. Edit : earlier PSA says they dont recommend running 7.62x51 in the PA10 308 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_301/265888_PSA_PA10_Question_Re__7_62_NATO_ammo_.html View Quote |
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[Last Edit: MaverickAA]
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Originally Posted By boggy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/SemperProducts/E56BBC04-A6D7-4E37-9B3E-D339DB345B48_zpsaakxiazd.jpg Bottom is a spring and buffer that came in a Gen2 carbine complete lower (long tube). I can't get it to run consistently. I cut 1.5 coils off (may be noticeable). I'm wondering if the bottom spring is the correct one. The top one is out of a "short tube" 308 AR. It isn't mine so unfortunately I can't try it at the range. Any ideas? View Quote It does, however, work in their extended PA10 tube with standard AR buffers (Armalite "AR10" style setup), but don't try and use it in a mil spec tube with shorty buffers (DPMS style "308 Carbine" set up). A DPMS style set up (standard tube, shorty buffer) spring should be between 10.75-11.5" and have 28 coils (important because lower coil count prevents "coil bind" with shorty buffers). And AR10 style set ups (extended tube, standard buffer) usually have about 11.75" springs in them. The PSA "308 CARBINE" spring (that I received) is over 12.75" long I threw it away so I'll never mistakenly use it. There is NO need for it to be so long, and even less so for it's coil count. |
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[#45]
Originally Posted By MaverickAA:
It's the barrel manufacturer they chose. It's not PSA (their receives are fine). FWIW, 308 is the complete opposite of 223. 223 (commercial) is weaker than nato 5.56, but 308 (commercial) is HOTTER than Nato 7.62. That's why barrel manufacturers label their barrels as "5.56 Nato" (which should easily handle 223) and "308" (which should easily handle 7.62 Nato). View Quote I knew the 308 was higher pressures, I didn't know the 7.62x51 case was longer and wouldn't chamber in a tight 308. I see at one time, PSA offered 7.62x51 and now mostly 308..... I've built too many AR15s from PSA, every one dead on, perfect fit, headspace all identical, ran out of box with any ammo, 223 or 556. Oh a 20" might have took a mag or two at most to loosen up. Right now my only hope is to find some inexpensive 308..... |
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[#46]
Originally Posted By 4356:
Exactly thanks. I knew the 308 was higher pressures, I didn't know the 7.62x51 case was longer and wouldn't chamber in a tight 308. I see at one time, PSA offered 7.62x51 and now mostly 308..... I've built too many AR15s from PSA, every one dead on, perfect fit, headspace all identical, ran out of box with any ammo, 223 or 556. Oh a 20" might have took a mag or two at most to loosen up. Right now my only hope is to find some inexpensive 308..... View Quote |
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[Last Edit: boggy]
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Well, problem solved. I borrowed the shorter buffer spring and it ran 100%. I even used the cheesiest surplus ammo I had. The buffer spring should be 11". If you got one of the super long ones, it's the wrong one for an AR15 "H" buffer and the longer buffer tube.
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[Last Edit: 4356]
[#48]
Originally Posted By MaverickAA:
FWIW, My Faxon barrel eats up Nato with no issues. I've heard the same about Ballistic Advantage barrels. Maybe you now have a great excuse to upgrade to a lightweight barrel! View Quote Yet with all the posts I've seen from people having issues getting their PSA AR15 barrel off, I'd hate to make things worse. Sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing, I'll sit on it a while. |
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[Last Edit: 4356]
[#49]
Originally Posted By 4356:
Good idea. Yet with all the posts I've seen from people having issues getting their PSA AR15 barrel off, I'd hate to make things worse. Sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing, I'll sit on it a while. View Quote Shoot 308 and see how many 308 rounds are necessary before it will chamber a 7.62x51 PPU round. And to get it to function. Figure out whether I need to remove one extractor O-ring. Or remove both extractor O-rings. Or remove the inner extractor spring. Or a combination of above. Or rebuild PSA bolt using DPMS kit. |
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Interesting, so 308 maximum NO-GO is 7.62x51 minimum GO?
Offhand, it looks like I'm going to be shooting a lot of 308 ammo before my PA10 will even chamber a 7.62x51 round. This PA10 is getting more expensive before I have even made it to the range. I'm sitting on a bunch of 7.62x51 PPU brass rounds I ordered because they say sure, you can shoot 7.62x51 in a 308. Yeah, if your 308 fails a NO-GO gauge and your 7.62x51 ammo isn't really 7.62x51.... |
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