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Ptac, is a company we found founded in columbia, last year. View Quote Not really. The story I was told is that Ptac is a name only, used to create a buffer between PSA and the parts manufacturer who is new to the AR game. This manufacturer wanted to start releasing parts in order to garner experience in their manufacturing facility, but was worried that substandard parts released due to lack of experience would hurt the name brand and the initial launch of their new AR line. PSA offered to retail these parts under a made up LLC in exchange for deep discounting, that way they could deny claiming it as a "PSA" brand, but tracing it back to the LLC would lead to a dead end which provided the manufacturer with anonymity. And so a bargain was struck. |
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Not really. The story I was told is that Ptac is a name only, used to create a buffer between PSA and the parts manufacturer who is new to the AR game. This manufacturer wanted to start releasing parts in order to garner experience in their manufacturing facility, but was worried that substandard parts released due to lack of experience would hurt the name brand and the initial launch of their new AR line. PSA offered to retail these parts under a made up LLC in exchange for deep discounting, that way they could deny claiming it as a "PSA" brand, but tracing it back to the LLC would lead to a dead end which provided the manufacturer with anonymity. And so a bargain was struck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ptac, is a company we found founded in columbia, last year. Not really. The story I was told is that Ptac is a name only, used to create a buffer between PSA and the parts manufacturer who is new to the AR game. This manufacturer wanted to start releasing parts in order to garner experience in their manufacturing facility, but was worried that substandard parts released due to lack of experience would hurt the name brand and the initial launch of their new AR line. PSA offered to retail these parts under a made up LLC in exchange for deep discounting, that way they could deny claiming it as a "PSA" brand, but tracing it back to the LLC would lead to a dead end which provided the manufacturer with anonymity. And so a bargain was struck. yea,and its just a coincidence that its LLC was the same law office used for PSA, and its founder? trust me, we've done the legwork here. |
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All of this x1000 NEED MOAR MIDLENGTH! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More Middys....less carbines More 20inchers....less carbines More A2 Profile...less Heavy Barrels More Shorter Barrels uppers...less carbines All of this x1000 NEED MOAR MIDLENGTH! X a billion. |
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More Middys....less carbines More 20inchers....less carbines More A2 Profile...less Heavy Barrels More Shorter Barrels uppers...less carbines All of this x1000 NEED MOAR MIDLENGTH! X a billion. NEIN, NEIN, NEIN, NEIN!!! BU, BU ,BU, BU, BU, NO, NO, NO ,NO NO,NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A2 profile with heavy barrels~!!! PSA, my wallet is currently loaded....well except for the Burris AR OPTIC which I'm eyeballing, but unsure of. |
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More Middys....less carbines More 20inchers....less carbines More A2 Profile...less Heavy Barrels More Shorter Barrels uppers...less carbines All of this x1000 NEED MOAR MIDLENGTH! X a billion. More 14.5/14.7 barrles....less 16" More Pencil barrels.....less M4 profile |
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I just locked in a Freedom Upper for $239 + $15 shipping! I'm excited to give it a try...PSA has been good to me so far!
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So the order may be something like this : PTAC - Distributed by PSA - uber cheap parts, uber low shelf for the basement buyer. PSA FReedom line - entry level PSA branded. PSA Classic line - standard level parts PSA branded. PSA PREMIUM line - Premium level parts, PSA Branded. thats how im envisioning what theyre saying. View Quote To me the main difference btw PTAC and PSA is warranty after 30 days, what warranty is this new Freedom line? Same as PSA since it is a PSA brand or like PTAC only 30 days? I did not see any warranty statement anywhere on this new line. |
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The Freedom line of uppers and kits is a PSA product, as such would have the same warranty as other PSA branded products.
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I'm interested in one of these for a budget build. Any ideas as to the round count one might expect out of a non-chrome-lined barrel?
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I'm interested in one of these for a budget build. Any ideas as to the round count one might expect out of a non-chrome-lined barrel? View Quote no idea. found this CTD article though, even though i'll NEVER order from them it may help you with your question Link |
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no idea. found this CTD article though, even though i'll NEVER order from them it may help you with your question Link View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm interested in one of these for a budget build. Any ideas as to the round count one might expect out of a non-chrome-lined barrel? no idea. found this CTD article though, even though i'll NEVER order from them it may help you with your question Link Only 5,000 rounds? |
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this. ptac was never announced as being a PSA brand, and in fact publicly stated not PSA. So to me this is vastly different. It means the Freedom line, is the entry level into PSA branded items. So the order may be something like this : PTAC - Distributed by PSA - uber cheap parts, uber low shelf for the basement buyer. PSA FReedom line - entry level PSA branded. PSA Classic line - standard level parts PSA branded. PSA PREMIUM line - Premium level parts, PSA Branded. thats how im envisioning what theyre saying. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just like PTAC. Not a hater. I have been very happy with all my PSA purchases including a PTAC parts kit. Just wish you would shoot everyone straight on PTAC and this "new" product line. I don't think it gets any straighter than their last response. The freedom line is a PSA line, not a PTAC replacement, etc. Plain and simple. this. ptac was never announced as being a PSA brand, and in fact publicly stated not PSA. So to me this is vastly different. It means the Freedom line, is the entry level into PSA branded items. So the order may be something like this : PTAC - Distributed by PSA - uber cheap parts, uber low shelf for the basement buyer. PSA FReedom line - entry level PSA branded. PSA Classic line - standard level parts PSA branded. PSA PREMIUM line - Premium level parts, PSA Branded. thats how im envisioning what theyre saying. A keyword exist there. "Saying." |
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no idea. found this CTD article though, even though i'll NEVER order from them it may help you with your question Link View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm interested in one of these for a budget build. Any ideas as to the round count one might expect out of a non-chrome-lined barrel? no idea. found this CTD article though, even though i'll NEVER order from them it may help you with your question Link Yeah, that helps. Thanks for the link. |
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PSA, any plans for more FREEDOM items to be added to your line? LPKs, BCGs, Charging Handles...etc??
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Just like PTAC. Not a hater. I have been very happy with all my PSA purchases including a PTAC parts kit. Just wish you would shoot everyone straight on PTAC and this "new" product line. I don't think it gets any straighter than their last response. The freedom line is a PSA line, not a PTAC replacement, etc. Plain and simple. this. ptac was never announced as being a PSA brand, and in fact publicly stated not PSA. So to me this is vastly different. It means the Freedom line, is the entry level into PSA branded items. So the order may be something like this : PTAC - Distributed by PSA - uber cheap parts, uber low shelf for the basement buyer. PSA FReedom line - entry level PSA branded. PSA Classic line - standard level parts PSA branded. PSA PREMIUM line - Premium level parts, PSA Branded. thats how im envisioning what theyre saying. A keyword exist there. "Saying." well as im not an employee, and definately not a spokesperson, for them, I cannot say definitives. I can say what i think and what i interperet and what i find through research and observation though. |
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If you believe PTAC is/was not a PSA product, please be aware that you might be seeing a huge bunny hopping around your house tonight/early this morning.
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If you believe PTAC is/was not a PSA product, please be aware that you might be seeing a huge bunny hopping around your house tonight/early this morning. View Quote heheh funny stuff. as lo9ng as that mother fucker shits chockoate im good. and i know mUCH more than i say here. trus tme on that? well you may be surprised what is ay and odnt say. i like bnniesz gtheyre goood in a stew |
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heheh funny stuff. as lo9ng as that mother fucker shits chockoate im good. and i know mUCH more than i say here. trus tme on that? well you may be surprised what is ay and odnt say. i like bnniesz gtheyre goood in a stew View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you believe PTAC is/was not a PSA product, please be aware that you might be seeing a huge bunny hopping around your house tonight/early this morning. heheh funny stuff. as lo9ng as that mother fucker shits chockoate im good. and i know mUCH more than i say here. trus tme on that? well you may be surprised what is ay and odnt say. i like bnniesz gtheyre goood in a stew ARE YOU DRUNK! |
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Yeah, that helps. Thanks for the link. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm interested in one of these for a budget build. Any ideas as to the round count one might expect out of a non-chrome-lined barrel? no idea. found this CTD article though, even though i'll NEVER order from them it may help you with your question Link Yeah, that helps. Thanks for the link. Some of that article has a little bit of bullshit. Like this " A sub MOA gun is a fine rifle by nearly anyone’s standards, and most well built chrome-lined AR rifles are capable of 1/2 MOA groups as well." "For the serious shooter who needs maximum barrel life as well as accuracy, a chrome-lined barrel represents the best of both worlds. The accuracy lost from a chrome lining amounts to less than 1/4? at 100 yards, a negligible amount for most AR rifles used in tactical applications. If you do decide to go with a barrel that is not chrome-lined, be aware that you can significantly reduce the barrel life by quickly dumping 3 or 4 magazines through it without stopping to let it cool down." I am not sure most Chrome lined barrels are 1/2 MOA capable and I do not think the accuracy benefit for a match SS barrel is only 1/4 inch. I really do hate gun writers as much as news reporters. AL |
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Some of that article has a little bit of bullshit. Like this " A sub MOA gun is a fine rifle by nearly anyone’s standards, and most well built chrome-lined AR rifles are capable of 1/2 MOA groups as well." "For the serious shooter who needs maximum barrel life as well as accuracy, a chrome-lined barrel represents the best of both worlds. The accuracy lost from a chrome lining amounts to less than 1/4? at 100 yards, a negligible amount for most AR rifles used in tactical applications. If you do decide to go with a barrel that is not chrome-lined, be aware that you can significantly reduce the barrel life by quickly dumping 3 or 4 magazines through it without stopping to let it cool down." I am not sure most Chrome lined barrels are 1/2 MOA capable and I do not think the accuracy benefit for a match SS barrel is only 1/4 inch. I really do hate gun writers as much as news reporters. AL View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm interested in one of these for a budget build. Any ideas as to the round count one might expect out of a non-chrome-lined barrel? no idea. found this CTD article though, even though i'll NEVER order from them it may help you with your question Link Yeah, that helps. Thanks for the link. Some of that article has a little bit of bullshit. Like this " A sub MOA gun is a fine rifle by nearly anyone’s standards, and most well built chrome-lined AR rifles are capable of 1/2 MOA groups as well." "For the serious shooter who needs maximum barrel life as well as accuracy, a chrome-lined barrel represents the best of both worlds. The accuracy lost from a chrome lining amounts to less than 1/4? at 100 yards, a negligible amount for most AR rifles used in tactical applications. If you do decide to go with a barrel that is not chrome-lined, be aware that you can significantly reduce the barrel life by quickly dumping 3 or 4 magazines through it without stopping to let it cool down." I am not sure most Chrome lined barrels are 1/2 MOA capable and I do not think the accuracy benefit for a match SS barrel is only 1/4 inch. I really do hate gun writers as much as news reporters. AL agreed to the bold. most of the stuff is what it is. specially from CTD. but its somthing. so there you go. |
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My Freedom Upper showed up yesterday (ordered Apr 14th, 2014) and it looks really good! Fit and finish is nice, feels solid and locks on to my LMT lower perfectly! I put on a cheap set of drop in quad rails and a Magpul BUIS for now...I just have to get a BCG and Charging Handle to top her off! I'll post some pics later...
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My Freedom Upper showed up yesterday (ordered Apr 14th, 2014) and it looks really good! Fit and finish is nice, feels solid and locks on to my LMT lower perfectly! I put on a cheap set of drop in quad rails and a Magpul BUIS for now...I just have to get a BCG and Charging Handle to top her off! I'll post some pics later... View Quote awesome. i look forward to it. |
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Looks great. Flip the MBUS around and you'll be in business.
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What kind of quad rail is that? View Quote Its a $28 Omega Manufacturing quad drop in with delta ring bridge! I picked it up on ebay and I gotta say, I am impressed! Very well made, solid and anodized...not painted! http://www.ebay.com/itm/261393178151?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 Here are the rest of my specs: LMT ECGS Lower PSA Ergo LPK Omega Weighted Buffer Set PSA 6 POS Stock PSA Freedom Upper Omega Quad Rail with Delta Bridge No Name VFG Badger Tac Latch CH PSA Full Auto BCG Magpul MBUS Rear Sight BTW...pics are updated with correct MBUS deployment! LOL! |
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beautiful rifle man. youll have to let us know how it runs. looks very nice.. and the pics are great!!
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Thanks! I wanted to do a budget build and I am really impressed with the results!
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thats the way to be. im looking at attempting an UBER budget cheapo build. i wanna see exactly how low i can go.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks! I wanted to do a budget build and I am really impressed with the results! thats the way to be. im looking at attempting an UBER budget cheapo build. i wanna see exactly how low i can go.... Here is my build sheet: Stripped LMT Lower $55 Freedom Upper $239 PSA/Ergo LPK $49 2nd Hand PSA Stock $15 Omega Buffer Kit $29 Omega Quad Rail $28 PSA BCG $89 Magpul MBUS leftover parts stash $0 Badger Tac Charging Handle leftover parts stash $0 No Name VFG leftover parts stash $0 Out of pocket for this one was $504.00 I see PSA has a PTAC middy upper on sale for $199...might be a good start for uber cheap! http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-9-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html |
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jeeze thats cheap.
yea that middy is hard to resist. that upper, a blem built lower = 350 then i need a bcg and i have a mbus i can repurpose. so mabye 420ish |
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Here is my build sheet: Stripped LMT Lower $55 Freedom Upper $239 PSA/Ergo LPK $49 2nd Hand PSA Stock $15 Omega Buffer Kit $29 Omega Quad Rail $28 PSA BCG $89 Magpul MBUS leftover parts stash $0 Badger Tac Charging Handle leftover parts stash $0 No Name VFG leftover parts stash $0 Out of pocket for this one was $504.00 I see PSA has a PTAC middy upper on sale for $199...might be a good start for uber cheap! http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-9-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html View Quote LMT lower for $55 how on earth did you pull that off. |
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LMT lower for $55 how on earth did you pull that off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here is my build sheet: Stripped LMT Lower $55 Freedom Upper $239 PSA/Ergo LPK $49 2nd Hand PSA Stock $15 Omega Buffer Kit $29 Omega Quad Rail $28 PSA BCG $89 Magpul MBUS leftover parts stash $0 Badger Tac Charging Handle leftover parts stash $0 No Name VFG leftover parts stash $0 Out of pocket for this one was $504.00 I see PSA has a PTAC middy upper on sale for $199...might be a good start for uber cheap! http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-9-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html LMT lower for $55 how on earth did you pull that off. i figured he did some horse trading |
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LMT lower for $55 how on earth did you pull that off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here is my build sheet: Stripped LMT Lower $55 Freedom Upper $239 PSA/Ergo LPK $49 2nd Hand PSA Stock $15 Omega Buffer Kit $29 Omega Quad Rail $28 PSA BCG $89 Magpul MBUS leftover parts stash $0 Badger Tac Charging Handle leftover parts stash $0 No Name VFG leftover parts stash $0 Out of pocket for this one was $504.00 I see PSA has a PTAC middy upper on sale for $199...might be a good start for uber cheap! http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-9-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html LMT lower for $55 how on earth did you pull that off. HaHa, I actually bought 2 @ $55 each! They are East Coast Gun Sales lowers...I bought them when ECGS closed shop. They were made by LMT! I built the other one into a 20" MOE/FDE rifle. I wish I would have bought a dozen! LOL! |
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HaHa, I actually bought 2 @ $55 each! They are East Coast Gun Sales lowers...I bought them when ECGS closed shop. They were made by LMT! I built the other one into a 20" MOE/FDE rifle. I wish I would have bought a dozen! LOL! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here is my build sheet: Stripped LMT Lower $55 Freedom Upper $239 PSA/Ergo LPK $49 2nd Hand PSA Stock $15 Omega Buffer Kit $29 Omega Quad Rail $28 PSA BCG $89 Magpul MBUS leftover parts stash $0 Badger Tac Charging Handle leftover parts stash $0 No Name VFG leftover parts stash $0 Out of pocket for this one was $504.00 I see PSA has a PTAC middy upper on sale for $199...might be a good start for uber cheap! http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-9-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html LMT lower for $55 how on earth did you pull that off. HaHa, I actually bought 2 @ $55 each! They are East Coast Gun Sales lowers...I bought them when ECGS closed shop. They were made by LMT! I built the other one into a 20" MOE/FDE rifle. I wish I would have bought a dozen! LOL! know that feeling. i should have bought a lot more stuff :( |
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Indeed! Yeah, when ECGS closed up, they had hundreds of lowers available! Guys were buying dozens at a time! It was crazy! I just didn't have the cash at the time for more. Here is my 20" ECGS/LMT/PSA Mutt! http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/rocketfoot223/fde_ar/0594356f.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here is my build sheet: Stripped LMT Lower $55 Freedom Upper $239 PSA/Ergo LPK $49 2nd Hand PSA Stock $15 Omega Buffer Kit $29 Omega Quad Rail $28 PSA BCG $89 Magpul MBUS leftover parts stash $0 Badger Tac Charging Handle leftover parts stash $0 No Name VFG leftover parts stash $0 Out of pocket for this one was $504.00 I see PSA has a PTAC middy upper on sale for $199...might be a good start for uber cheap! http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56mm-1-9-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html LMT lower for $55 how on earth did you pull that off. HaHa, I actually bought 2 @ $55 each! They are East Coast Gun Sales lowers...I bought them when ECGS closed shop. They were made by LMT! I built the other one into a 20" MOE/FDE rifle. I wish I would have bought a dozen! LOL! know that feeling. i should have bought a lot more stuff :( Here is my 20" ECGS/LMT/PSA Mutt! http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/rocketfoot223/fde_ar/0594356f.jpg thats usually my problem. Funds are already allocated to another project, or an emergency has taken place where i have no cash.. |
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Anyone else receive a Freedom Upper from PSA Yet? How do you like it?
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id like to see some freedom uppers in stores so i can handle them
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Anyone else receive a Freedom Upper from PSA Yet? How do you like it? View Quote Got mine in the other day. Havent shot it yet, but im content. My only issue is that the front takedown pin is VERY hard to push in and out. Like need a hammer and punch to get it in and out. Finish is noticeably off from my psa lower too; greyish not black, but that doesnt bug me. Its a budget upper, cant expect too much but i cant pass judgement until i see how it shoots. I plan on shooting it this weekend. Ill try to get some pics up. |
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Got mine in the other day. Havent shot it yet, but im content. My only issue is that the front takedown pin is VERY hard to push in and out. Like need a hammer and punch to get it in and out. Finish is noticeably off from my psa lower too; greyish not black, but that doesnt bug me. Its a budget upper, cant expect too much but i cant pass judgement until i see how it shoots. I plan on shooting it this weekend. Ill try to get some pics up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anyone else receive a Freedom Upper from PSA Yet? How do you like it? Got mine in the other day. Havent shot it yet, but im content. My only issue is that the front takedown pin is VERY hard to push in and out. Like need a hammer and punch to get it in and out. Finish is noticeably off from my psa lower too; greyish not black, but that doesnt bug me. Its a budget upper, cant expect too much but i cant pass judgement until i see how it shoots. I plan on shooting it this weekend. Ill try to get some pics up. I haven't shot mine yet either...let us know how it does! I am still waiting on my BCG to show up from PSA. Ordered last Saturday and still haven't got the shipping number! today is 5 business days so hopefully the shipping info drops today! My take down pins functioned normally...maybe a little shot of lube will make it work better?? |
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Anyone get a stainless example yet. Those 16" stainless dissipators look pretty nice but I'd like to hear some feedback on the stainless barrels.
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I just grabbed the regular hanguard one with a premium no logo BCG for $346 shipped
Anderson lower - $68 including shipping and transfer Blackhawk LPK - $32 shipped Blackhawk Stock kit - $35 shipped Chargiing Handle - $20 shipped Total $501 |
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