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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:14:23 PM
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I am curious as to what your response is to the PTAC barrels that have an unusable lack of quality in the machining of the barrels.

Here is your chance to make it right.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:15:33 PM
So far it seems that most that have gotten them think they are garbage.

Except the ass-licks that always defend PSA.You will not hear a peep out of them if they actually bought one of those shitty barrels.

That would expose them as hypocrites,and they won't admit it,especially after defending them so adamantly
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:32:30 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By myco4you:
So far it seems that most that have gotten them think they are garbage.

Except the ass-licks that always defend PSA.You will not hear a peep out of them if they actually bought one of those shitty barrels.

That would expose them as hypocrites,and they won't admit it,especially after defending them so adamantly

I would say that most who got them and posted think they are garbage. There are a few who say their barrels look nothing like the bad ones posted here.

That is what I want to know. Are these bad barrels what we should have received? Are they the norm for the PTAC line?

That is the question.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:41:13 PM
Some of these morons defending these shitty barrels have actually said "they are advertised as bargain parts,so don't feel bad when you get a sub-par product" and "be lucky that PSA is even offering these to people at that price-point"

That is the extreme these people will go to defending PSA
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:42:45 PM
Bargains are great but I still expect a usable product.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:46:37 PM
I just pulled mine out of the safe to check the barrel. The bore looked fine, nothing like some of the pictures people posted. I gave it a quick cleaning with some bore shine and some patches, it was pretty dirty, comparable to a range trip with a few hundred rounds. I had SKU 39236 which I believe has an unlined barrel, product descriptions is something PSA could improve on. I wasn't able to get a picture down the barrel with my camera, but as I said it looked good and nothing like a Mosin barrel as others have encountered.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:51:43 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ManBearPack:
I just pulled mine out of the safe to check the barrel. The bore looked fine, nothing like some of the pictures people posted. I gave it a quick cleaning with some bore shine and some patches, it was pretty dirty, comparable to a range trip with a few hundred rounds. I had SKU 39236 which I believe has an unlined barrel, product descriptions is something PSA could improve on. I wasn't able to get a picture down the barrel with my camera, but as I said it looked good and nothing like a Mosin barrel as others have encountered.

This tells me that these barrels are defective. Hopefully PSA will make it right.

PSA are you looking into this issue?
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Posted: 12/28/2013 6:16:00 PM
PSA should issue call tags and full refund or exchange for returns for this bad bore uppers. PSA definitely needs to be serious on QC, who would keep buying from you if so many problems.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 7:05:12 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By SilverBearX:
This tells me that these barrels are defective. Hopefully PSA will make it right.

PSA are you looking into this issue?


Whose issue has priority? Is it the PTAC barrels or poor packaging of "blemished" lowers?

Regardless, you have have dibs on resolving your issue. I can wait another few weeks for them to fix their packaging problems.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 7:28:19 PM
I'm an admitted PSA fanboy but the PTAC upper that I just received has an awful looking bore. The rest of the upper looks good but the bore looks like concrete pavement. Literally the worst bore I've ever seen in a new barrel.

I too feel that PSA needs to address this issue. I'm building this rifle to eventually give as a gift but I can't justify giving something with this issue to someone.

I haven't shot it yet but just looking at the bore I do not expect good results. I will post a followup after I've test fired it though.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 7:45:23 PM
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You get what you pay for. WTF did you think you were gettting with a $300 complete upper? Good parts cost good money. You got EXACTLY what you deserved. Shouldve ponied up more money for a quality upper rather than bitch your PTAC bottom basement price upper was bottom basement junk quality. Who'dve thought....


My personal opinion.... I wish PSA would do away with PTAC all together. Its ruining your brand.

ETA: you bought a "no frills" product and received exactly that. You gambled and lost. PSA owes you nothing. You got what you paid for. Be happy.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 7:47:28 PM
Well... Looks like I'll sit back and wait for the verdict on the PTac barrels. I've used the Ptac LPK, and other than the takedown pin having more slop than others, the rest of the parts were fine. Trigger feels comparable to other LPKs I've used. It's mated to a Chiappa M4-22 upper, which functions fine.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 8:09:37 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:
Snipped the ignorant drivel

PSA has stated they stand behind the PTAC product line. A barrel that lacks criss cross cuts and scratches is not a frill.

We shall see.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 8:14:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:
You get what you pay for. WTF did you think you were gettting with a $300 complete upper? Good parts cost good money. You got EXACTLY what you deserved. Shouldve ponied up more money for a quality upper rather than bitch your PTAC bottom basement price upper was bottom basement junk quality. Who'dve thought....

My personal opinion.... I wish PSA would do away with PTAC all together. Its ruining your brand.

ETA: you bought a "no frills" product and received exactly that. You gambled and lost. PSA owes you nothing. You got what you paid for. Be happy.


You say that good parts cost good money. No doubt there is a rough correlation between cost and quality. The problem that I have is knowing what benefit I get as I pay more for any given component.

Example: Imagine that top brand X barrel costs $300 and has Y accuracy and Z lifetime (rounds fired).
If I buy another barrel for $150 what do I give up in terms of accuracy and barrel life expectancy?

If the life expectancy drops from 10,000 rounds to 7000 rounds I can accept that. If the accuracy changes from 3" groups to 5" groups, I can accept that.

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Posted: 12/28/2013 8:47:07 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By AmericanPeople:
Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:
You get what you pay for. WTF did you think you were gettting with a $300 complete upper? Good parts cost good money. You got EXACTLY what you deserved. Shouldve ponied up more money for a quality upper rather than bitch your PTAC bottom basement price upper was bottom basement junk quality. Who'dve thought....

My personal opinion.... I wish PSA would do away with PTAC all together. Its ruining your brand.

ETA: you bought a "no frills" product and received exactly that. You gambled and lost. PSA owes you nothing. You got what you paid for. Be happy.


You say that good parts cost good money. No doubt there is a rough correlation between cost and quality. The problem that I have is knowing what benefit I get as I pay more for any given component.

Example: Imagine that top brand X barrel costs $300 and has Y accuracy and Z lifetime (rounds fired).
If I buy another barrel for $150 what do I give up in terms of accuracy and barrel life expectancy?

If the life expectancy drops from 10,000 rounds to 7000 rounds I can accept that. If the accuracy changes from 3" groups to 5" groups, I can accept that.


What I'd expect is a cheap barrel to be slightly less accurate, and have a shorter service life. So, yea, I can pretty much agree with your acceptance...
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Posted: 12/28/2013 9:23:27 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:
You get what you pay for. WTF did you think you were gettting with a $300 complete upper? Good parts cost good money. You got EXACTLY what you deserved. Shouldve ponied up more money for a quality upper rather than bitch your PTAC bottom basement price upper was bottom basement junk quality. Who'dve thought....


My personal opinion.... I wish PSA would do away with PTAC all together. Its ruining your brand.

ETA: you bought a "no frills" product and received exactly that. You gambled and lost. PSA owes you nothing. You got what you paid for. Be happy.


My ptac upper is a little rough around the edges but the barrel is beyond getting what you paid for. It's like they reclaimed barrels from a boat accident that were underwater for months. PSA issued me a return label though so I am happy. If getting a pitted barrel full of scratches between the lands is considered normal for that price it should be advertised. I am thinking these are defects though. I'll take a lesser steel unlined somewhat rough barrel for a bargain build truck gun. But I would not pay for what I got. Plus this was supposed to be a black Friday deal meaning you get a lot for your dollar as a promo.

I am a happy repeat customer and I fully believe PSA will make it right with a replacement. It can be rough around the edges with not the best finish and that's fine as long as the bore is fairly clean looking meaning it doesn't come pre scratched and pitted. I don't care if its a little dirty as long as it cleans up.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 12:12:54 AM
Oh..crap. One of mine has a turd of a barrel too..the other is fine. Obviously there is a problem here.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 1:20:49 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By back2class4:
Oh..crap. One of mine has a turd of a barrel too..the other is fine. Obviously there is a problem here.

That again tells me that it is not normal. Hopefully PSA gives us an easy way to get this fixed.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 6:55:09 AM
Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:

My personal opinion.... I wish PSA would do away with PTAC all together. Its ruining your brand.

THIS. JETTISON THAT SHIT.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 8:38:04 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:
You get what you pay for. WTF did you think you were gettting with a $300 complete upper? Good parts cost good money. You got EXACTLY what you deserved. Shouldve ponied up more money for a quality upper rather than bitch your PTAC bottom basement price upper was bottom basement junk quality. Who'dve thought....



Both of my PSA CHF uppers (20" and 16") were $300. Sort of blows your whole argument, doesn't it?
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Posted: 12/29/2013 9:20:51 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:
You get what you pay for. WTF did you think you were getting with a $300 complete upper? Good parts cost good money. You got EXACTLY what you deserved. Shouldve ponied up more money for a quality upper rather than bitch your PTAC bottom basement price upper was bottom basement junk quality. Who'dve thought....


My personal opinion.... I wish PSA would do away with PTAC all together. Its ruining your brand.

ETA: you bought a "no frills" product and received exactly that. You gambled and lost. PSA owes you nothing. You got what you paid for. Be happy.


Right there. PSA should concentrate on selling good stuff.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 9:41:12 AM
Here is my 1/7 PTAC barrel AFTER cleaning:



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Posted: 12/29/2013 9:45:28 AM
Yesterday i went out with my brother and neighbor, and sighted in and shot both of my PTAC uppers.

i have one i use for a dedicated .22 build, and one for 5.56 usage.

I have not photographed them yet. I plan to soon. Before cleaning and after.

both barrels were very accurate (more so than me) and performed flawlessly.


I will post up a thread later.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 3:56:23 PM
Originally Posted By Spent_Casing:

My personal opinion.... I wish PSA would do away with PTAC all together. Its ruining your brand.



When THEIR brand is ruining YOUR (PSA's) brand, I'd have to agree. Either QC them, or cut them loose.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 4:05:41 PM
I also have a barrel with really bad bore
worst I've ever seen
my buddy also got a ptac upper and his is perfect
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Posted: 12/29/2013 4:16:36 PM

What are we looking at here, other than a terribly pixelated picture?
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