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I wish i had you're challenge !
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I'm no expert, just a long time Colt AR owner since 1971 and I had a few Colt AR during the 1980's and 1990's.
The markings on the lower receivers Colt's Firearms Division Colt Industries were usually on the guns made in the 1980's up to around 1989 to 1990. I had three AR that time, I bought new in '84 a model R6401 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" rifle, another new bought in '85 model R6420 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" 16" lightweight barrel carbine and a new in '86 model R6600 marked "AR-15A2 HBAR SPORTER" heavy contour barrel rifle, all these had the green label boxes and was marked with Colt's Firearms Division Colt Industries. Then in 1991 I bought two new AR a model R6530 A2 carbine marked "SPORTER LIGHTWEIGHT" and a model R6551 rifle marked "SPORTER TARGET MODEL" both of them had the newer lower receiver markings of COLT'S MFG. CO. INC. and both had the new color blue label boxes. Your top 9mm carbine model R6430 with the features of no bayonet lug, steel sear block in the lower receiver, fixed buttstock and marked COLT'S MFG. CO. INC. are usually made in the late 1990 to around 1992, most Colt AR that time was made that way until the start of the assault weapons ban in 1994, after the start of the ban all models flash suppressors was removed and the Sporter series was replaced by the Match Target series. Your A2 rifle without the model markings are either late variant of the model R6500 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" made around 1988 to 1989 or an early model R6550 marked "AR-15A2 GOV'T MODEL" (introduced in about 1988), both those models had the Colt's Firearms Division markings. Some of the rifles marked with AR-15A2 SPORTER II had even the next model's boxes marked R6550 AR-15A2 GOV'T MODEL also the included paperwork and owner's manuals, during their transition time in 1988. All these info, configurations, model numbers, difference in components, are mostly on the book "Black Rifle II: The M16 Into the 21st Century (2004) by Christopher R. Bartocci available at bookstores and Amazon.com. |
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I'm no expert, just a long time Colt AR owner since 1971 and I had a few Colt AR during the 1980's and 1990's. The markings on the lower receivers Colt's Firearms Division Colt Industries were usually on the guns made in the 1980's up to around 1989 to 1990. I had three AR that time, I bought new in '84 a model R6401 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" rifle, another new bought in '85 model R6420 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" 16" lightweight barrel carbine and a new in '86 model R6600 marked "AR-15A2 HBAR SPORTER" heavy contour barrel rifle, all these had the green label boxes and was marked with Colt's Firearms Division Colt Industries. Then in 1991 I bought two new AR a model R6530 A2 carbine marked "SPORTER LIGHTWEIGHT" and a model R6551 rifle marked "SPORTER TARGET MODEL" both of them had the newer lower receiver markings of COLT'S MFG. CO. INC. and both had the new color blue label boxes. Your top 9mm carbine model R6430 with the features of no bayonet lug, steel sear block in the lower receiver, fixed buttstock and marked COLT'S MFG. CO. INC. are usually made in the late 1990 to around 1992, most Colt AR that time was made that way until the start of the assault weapons ban in 1994, after the start of the ban all models flash suppressors was removed and the Sporter series was replaced by the Match Target series. Your A2 rifle without the model markings are either late variant of the model R6500 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" made around 1988 to 1989 or an early model R6550 marked "AR-15A2 GOV'T MODEL" (introduced in about 1988), both those models had the Colt's Firearms Division markings. Some of the rifles marked with AR-15A2 SPORTER II had even the next model's boxes marked R6550 AR-15A2 GOV'T MODEL also the included paperwork and owner's manuals, during their transition time in 1988. All these info, configurations, model numbers, difference in components, are mostly on the book "Black Rifle II: The M16 Into the 21st Century (2004) by Christopher R. Bartocci available at bookstores and Amazon.com. View Quote As far as the 6430 goes, when was the last time they had the CS marked stocks on rifles? |
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I'm no expert, just a long time Colt AR owner since 1971 and I had a few Colt AR during the 1980's and 1990's. The markings on the lower receivers Colt's Firearms Division Colt Industries were usually on the guns made in the 1980's up to around 1989 to 1990. I had three AR that time, I bought new in '84 a model R6401 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" rifle, another new bought in '85 model R6420 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" 16" lightweight barrel carbine and a new in '86 model R6600 marked "AR-15A2 HBAR SPORTER" heavy contour barrel rifle, all these had the green label boxes and was marked with Colt's Firearms Division Colt Industries. Then in 1991 I bought two new AR a model R6530 A2 carbine marked "SPORTER LIGHTWEIGHT" and a model R6551 rifle marked "SPORTER TARGET MODEL" both of them had the newer lower receiver markings of COLT'S MFG. CO. INC. and both had the new color blue label boxes. Your top 9mm carbine model R6430 with the features of no bayonet lug, steel sear block in the lower receiver, fixed buttstock and marked COLT'S MFG. CO. INC. are usually made in the late 1990 to around 1992, most Colt AR that time was made that way until the start of the assault weapons ban in 1994, after the start of the ban all models flash suppressors was removed and the Sporter series was replaced by the Match Target series. Your A2 rifle without the model markings are either late variant of the model R6500 marked "AR-15A2 SPORTER II" made around 1988 to 1989 or an early model R6550 marked "AR-15A2 GOV'T MODEL" (introduced in about 1988), both those models had the Colt's Firearms Division markings. Some of the rifles marked with AR-15A2 SPORTER II had even the next model's boxes marked R6550 AR-15A2 GOV'T MODEL also the included paperwork and owner's manuals, during their transition time in 1988. All these info, configurations, model numbers, difference in components, are mostly on the book "Black Rifle II: The M16 Into the 21st Century (2004) by Christopher R. Bartocci available at bookstores and Amazon.com. View Quote I am assuming this rifle came out in the late 80's maybe 88 or 89 while the production started in 1990. The reason I am saying that is that the 6536 I have was 3 years before the actual rifles rolled off the line. I dont know if thats because the rifles were special ordered or if Colt usually took a few years to make a prototype before they can get everything tooled up to make the production guns. Thoughts on that? |
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Your A2 rifle may be the prototype for these.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_127/711937_Thinking-of-picking-this-gun-up--whats-it-worth-.html Since it has a raised fence instead of being a slab side lower. Is the barrel marked with a date under the handguards? How is the barrel marked? |
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As far as the 6430 goes, when was the last time they had the CS marked stocks on rifles? View Quote Mine made in '91 6530 Sporter Lightweight carbine had the short A1 length fixed stock, mine had no CS marking but some have them, those CS marked short stocks are very collectible and expensive now. Later in the production they changed the short A1 length stocks to full length 5/8 inch longer A2 fixed buttstocks. The fenced lower receivers if I could remember correctly (in my own case) mostly started with the Sporter (3rd) series in late 1990 to 1991, but it might be earlier than that on some models. The US military had the M-16A2 rifles with the fence on the lowers back in 1982 so those lowers are available at the Colt factory way back then. My '91 6551 Sporter Target Model rifle had the fenced lower but it was not typical because it did not had a steel sear block, the sear blocks are typical of the Sporter series carbines and rifles from 1990 to 1994. With most of Colt changes there are no single one time change, they can't be generalized, they tend to use whatever parts are available so their changes are mostly inconsistent. |
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Cool guns op!
I bought my R6601 Sporter Match HBAR in June 1991. It's a Blue Label, preban slabside lower with serial number SP249xxx. Later during the preban Sporter Match, Sporter Target (GI profile barrel) and iirc Sporter Lightweight (fixed stock carbine) run is when they switched to the A2 lower, most with some flavor of sear block. By the time Colt introduced the postban Match Target line they had run out of the slab side lowers. So they likely ran out sometime between late '91 through '94. It seems most of the Sporter Match, Sporter Target models were made with A2 lowers. So probably earlier in the run than later. |
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Your A2 rifle may be the prototype for these. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_127/711937_Thinking-of-picking-this-gun-up--whats-it-worth-.html Since it has a raised fence instead of being a slab side lower. Is the barrel marked with a date under the handguards? How is the barrel marked? View Quote The barrel has no date code and is marked C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7 |
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It's not just the 6430 but all the carbines models (not rifle models) with the fixed stocks had the 5/8 inch shorter A2 type stocks in the early production run about late 1990 to around 1991. Mine made in '91 6530 Sporter Lightweight carbine had the short A1 length fixed stock, mine had no CS marking but some have them, those CS marked short stocks are very collectible and expensive now. Later in the production they changed the short A1 length stocks to full length 5/8 inch longer A2 fixed buttstocks. The fenced lower receivers if I could remember correctly (in my own case) mostly started with the Sporter (3rd) series in late 1990 to 1991, but it might be earlier than that on some models. The US military had the M-16A2 rifles with the fence on the lowers back in 1982 so those lowers are available at the Colt factory way back then. My '91 6551 Sporter Target Model rifle had the fenced lower but it was not typical because it did not had a steel sear block, the sear blocks are typical of the Sporter series carbines and rifles from 1990 to 1994. With most of Colt changes there are no single one time change, they can't be generalized, they tend to use whatever parts are available so their changes are mostly inconsistent. View Quote The a2 I am gathering about 1988 and it being the prototype to the R6550. Also, I just got a book in the mail today 'Blue Book Pocket Guide for Colt Dates or Manufacture' and it lists all of the ar15 models all the way to 2011 but stops dating the rifles in 1991 Anybody know of another book that covers serial numbers later than that? |
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I'm not aware of any books or lists that keeps track of late or current Colt AR serial numbers, the Colt site have a search function but they don't have all the serial numbers in their data base.
As for Colt models Wikipedia have them in their List of Colt AR-15 variants, mostly popular models but does not include rare limited models. Here at AR15.com archives threads back in 2006 member author Ekie made some Colt data base threads which included configurations, finish, serial numbers, production dates, etc, team members can search all the archive threads. Here's what Colt models are in the archives, but there could be more: 6000 AR-15 SPORTER SP1 6400 & 6500 AR-15A2 SPORTER II (SPII) 6520 AR-15A2 GOVT CARBINE 6551 SPORTER TARGET MODEL 6551 SPORTER TARGET MODEL DATA BASE II 6600 AR-15A2 HBAR SPORTER & 6601 SPORTER MATCH HBAR 6700 SPORTER COMPETITION HBAR 6721 AR-15A3 TACTICAL CARBINE 6920 COLTS LAW ENFORCEMENT CARBINE MT6400C MATCH TARGET M4 CARBINE Click Search, then Archive (filters), keywords "Colt data base", date range 2005 to 2007. |
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If that is you selling the prototype 6430 on gunbroker for $25.5k, then you should expect to get no more than $3k for this gun.
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That gun is 3k at absolute best. The full auto transferable US Property marked guns are going for 25k
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That gun is 3k at absolute best. The full auto transferable US Property marked guns are going for 25k View Quote I just sold a few rifles similar to this in this range. This is not a sales thread this is an information thread. I have never seen anything like this posted on the internet especIally not on this site so I thought it would be helpful. If you think that the price is wrong, go through GunBroker and talk to the owner and see if he responds. Research was done on these and I have seen 5 of these types of rifles sell through Rock island auction for $10,000-$15,000 about 5 years ago. Has anyone ever seen one of these for sale or have owned one? I would love to get input from someone who has one or knows one in private hands rather than in museums or executives hands. |
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Our owner has a bunch of items that came from John the former ATF liason for Colt. Some of the rare and unique prototypes and especially the full auto items are big dollar but the basic stuff that just has odd markings (unless government type) is not bringing that kind of money.
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I appreciate your input................... I just sold a few rifles similar to this in this range. This is not a sales thread this is an information thread. I have never seen anything like this posted on the internet especIally not on this site so I thought it would be helpful. If you think that the price is wrong, go through GunBroker and talk to the owner and see if he responds. Research was done on these and I have seen 5 of these types of rifles sell through Rock island auction for $10,000-$15,000 about 5 years ago. Has anyone ever seen one of these for sale or have owned one? I would love to get input from someone who has one or knows one in private hands rather than in museums or executives hands. View Quote |
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Our owner has a bunch of items that came from John the former ATF liason for Colt. Some of the rare and unique prototypes and especially the full auto items are big dollar but the basic stuff that just has odd markings (unless government type) is not bringing that kind of money. Good luck to you though View Quote This is an informational based thread not a sales thread. Sales questions need to be asked in the EE or gunbroker. |
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I appreciate your input................... I just sold a few rifles similar to this in this range. This is not a sales thread this is an information thread. I have never seen anything like this posted on the internet especIally not on this site so I thought it would be helpful. If you think that the price is wrong, go through GunBroker and talk to the owner and see if he responds. Research was done on these and I have seen 5 of these types of rifles sell through Rock island auction for $10,000-$15,000 about 5 years ago. Has anyone ever seen one of these for sale or have owned one? I would love to get input from someone who has one or knows one in private hands rather than in museums or executives hands. View Quote There isn't anything special about these prototype guns and anyone that paid five figures for one is an idiot. Most of these prototypes are undesirable slabslide lowers with no documentation, a tool room stamped serial number, that was excess R&D junk laying around at Colt. The only special semi autos that have came out of these collections are the US property marked replicas and the transferable machineguns. |
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You are already getting input from two people in this thread who own guns from these collections. There isn't anything special about these prototype guns and anyone that paid five figures for one is an idiot. Most of these prototypes are undesirable slabslide lowers with no documentation, a tool room stamped serial number, that was excess R&D junk laying around at Colt. The only special semi autos that have came out of these collections are the US property marked replicas and the transferable machineguns. View Quote I have sold a few of these already for 5 digit numbers. Apparently I'm not wrong. If you have any questions about them, refer to gunbroker. This is not the place for prices. There are a couple people who visit here you just called an idiot FYI. Might want to be more careful. |
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I did not need or want anyone's input on these. You worry about your stuff, I'll worry about mine. I have sold a few of these already for 5 digit numbers. Apparently I'm not wrong. If you have any questions about them, refer to gunbroker. This is not the place for prices. There are a couple people who visit here you just called an idiot FYI. Might want to be more careful. View Quote |
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I did not need or want anyone's input on these. You worry about your stuff, I'll worry about mine. I have sold a few of these already for 5 digit numbers. Apparently I'm not wrong. If you have any questions about them, refer to gunbroker. This is not the place for prices. There are a couple people who visit here you just called an idiot FYI. Might want to be more careful. View Quote |
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