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Posted: 1/17/2015 9:43:04 PM EDT
Does any dealers have the AR OEM models yet?
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Interesting market strategy, let the dealer or end user to put furniture and a rear sight on it eh?
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Great Idea. Not sure if they are in stock yet. here are some pics. The OEM2 is probably the best idea. Ready for a 10" FF rail or greater. You could put on a Centurion rail as soon as you got it or another rail system that uses the GI barrel nut without removing anything. Saves you a lot of money or install time.
www.lipseys.com =COLE6920-OEM1 www.lipseys.com =COLE6920-OEM2 Factory shaved FSB on the OEM2, great for a FF extended rail without messing with the original gas system. barrel nut only no delta ring or front handguard cap. Also no trigger guard on these models. Some of my thoughts. http://looserounds.com/2015/01/18/colt-le6920-oem1-oem2/ |
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OEM models are genius; I end up taking off the hand guards, stock, and trigger guard anyway, so I usually have a box of extras. Get what you need and add what you want w/o hassel
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These are great, and a fantastic idea - instead of charging extra for a "pre-customized" (MagPul MOE, Troy'ed out, etc.) - a "bare bones" model ready for the user to add what they want to.
I do wish they'd offer these in an RO921HB/6920HB ("SOCOM") profile, and a 14.5" barrel would be awesome - maybe in factory SBR configuration as well. A pretty good answer to the old "why doesn't Colt sell stripped lowers" question, without compromising the brand integrity when people build "no-name special" mixmasters on brand name lowers. ~Augee |
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That OEM2 is begging for a Centurion Arms 12" C4 rail since they clamp to the factory barrel nut. Couldn't get any easier to install.
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I got a 6920 already, but when they become available, I'm getting a OEM 1
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Probably come in about 100 bucks less than a 6920 and save me parts I wouldn't have kept anyway.
These also probably can be transfered as pistols given no stock. |
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Probably come in about 100 bucks less than a 6920 and save me parts I wouldn't have kept anyway. These also probably can be transfered as pistols given no stock. View Quote No they cannot be transferred as a pistol. They have a 3 position rifle buffer tube, built for an adjustable stock. Colt does not make a pistol lower receiver. The lowest I've seen a Colt 6920 is in the high $900 range and that will not include tax and transfer fees.. I think you are way off on all of your remarks. |
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Okay, this is a good move on Colt's part, FINALLY. However, In my opinion, they need to get rid of some of their offerings and just simplify their product line a little more. They seem to be putting out a lot of different variants that just don't make sense. They need to catch on to what's being done in the market and branch out into other barrel profiles other than the M4 PROFILE and GOV PROFILE barrels that they are stuck on. Why is it so freaking hard for COLT to realize that they would have huge hits if they released some OEM models like the following:
14.5" LWT OEM with pinned FS. 14.5" OEM with a NOVESKE'ish profle that will be the same weight as the standard M4 barrel. (I know people will call me on this, but I'm still partial to the carbine gas system on the 14.5" barrels. The above rifles can be had with either standard FSB or with a SHAVED FSB. Bam! Profit!) 16" 6720 LWT OEM w/MIDDY gas system. 16" MIDDY with a NOVESKE N4 light profile barrel. (Once again, they could offer the standard FSB or a shaved FSB. Bam! Profit!) They can keep their ICONIC rifles (M4 and M16A4) in their standard configurations for those that want that specific look. There's just something about a standard M4 and a standard M16A4. I would want one of each, but there is only so much money to go around. In addition, it would be awesome if they could offer some COLT CANADA models. Boom! More profit! C'mon, COLT! WTH? Colt Catalog showing their rifle line, OEM goodness and some derp. This 6720 upper would have been much better with MIDDY gas system in order to increase the hand guard length and to have the better gas system. I worked around the real estate issue by going with a Centurion Arms FF HG, but kept the FSB. This rifle feels a lot better in this configuration. |
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No they cannot be transferred as a pistol. They have a 3 position rifle buffer tube, built for an adjustable stock. Colt does not make a pistol lower receiver. The lowest I've seen a Colt 6920 is in the high $900 range and that will not include tax and transfer fees.. I think you are way off on all of your remarks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Probably come in about 100 bucks less than a 6920 and save me parts I wouldn't have kept anyway. These also probably can be transfered as pistols given no stock. No they cannot be transferred as a pistol. They have a 3 position rifle buffer tube, built for an adjustable stock. Colt does not make a pistol lower receiver. The lowest I've seen a Colt 6920 is in the high $900 range and that will not include tax and transfer fees.. I think you are way off on all of your remarks. Yep, FailureDrill-P099 nails it reference the pistol. No side stepping with the Colt. Even if you get a lower only, stripped, or complete from wherever,and your dealer signs it out to you as 'Other on the 4473; dont think it will fly given Colt's, known rifle-only builds. Remember, there's an ATF person assigned to Colt to help 'both'. I think we can all agree that letters from the ATF reference pistols on rifle style receivers seem to contradict themselves as of late in regards to braces, receiver extensions, intent of use, color of the owners pickup, gender of first child, favorite pet, etc. blah, blah, blah. Two things I've always told people (condescendingly) who try to skirt the rules in regards to firearms; 1. "Guess you can do whatever you want to do as long as you don't shoot an ATF agent right?!?!" .2. "Good luck with out arguing the ATF's lawyers!!" Good luck with that. Rifle receiver pistol guns are ghey in my opinion, as evidenced by their widespread use on the battlefield, and in serious firearms competitions, law enforcement use, etc. Not a big fan of subguns, or pistol cal carbines either given my experiences in the Army with an MP5SD and in LE with a Colt SMG. Drop that mag on the ground and its a game of 32 round pick up. As an aside, one idea/reason I had for the ATF giving its original letter of 'whatever' approval reference the SigBrace was, as an agent of the Fed Govt, they, did not want to have to fight against the Americans with Disabilities Act, a coveted act of law enforced by said, Fed Got. With the latest 'ruling' letter ref intent on how one uses the SB, it seems they've obviously made an attempt fight 'disability fraud' in this area. We all know enforcing it, the intent to use a SB installed pistol as an SBR 'alone' wont meet federal, prosecutorial guidelines, but Agent Wu will be along shortly to make a believer out of at least one poor soul. |
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I think it will probably be treated as a rifle (based maybe on intent, maybe on ignorance).
But if I were to build the same exact thing, by definition it would be a pistol. |
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These should come in at around $700, given the MSRP is $792. How awesome is that?!?
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No they cannot be transferred as a pistol. They have a 3 position rifle buffer tube, built for an adjustable stock. Colt does not make a pistol lower receiver. The lowest I've seen a Colt 6920 is in the high $900 range and that will not include tax and transfer fees.. I think you are way off on all of your remarks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Probably come in about 100 bucks less than a 6920 and save me parts I wouldn't have kept anyway. These also probably can be transfered as pistols given no stock. No they cannot be transferred as a pistol. They have a 3 position rifle buffer tube, built for an adjustable stock. Colt does not make a pistol lower receiver. The lowest I've seen a Colt 6920 is in the high $900 range and that will not include tax and transfer fees.. I think you are way off on all of your remarks. I see Colts in the $800 range often (during deals and on sale of course). But if they can keep these closer to $700 that's a great deal. |
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I heard that the OEM 1 model is already shipping, but to who?
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How hard is it to install a freefloat rail to the OEM2? Do you need special tools?
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How hard is it to install a freefloat rail to the OEM2? Do you need special tools? View Quote Depends on the rail. Two piece rails that bolt together around the factory barrel nut like the Centurion Arms C4 series or some Midwest Industries rails, etc. couldn't get any easier. Likely some Allen wrenches and a screw driver would be all you'd need. A rail that has its own proprietary barrel nut would require the factory shaved gas block to be removed so the barrel nuts could be swapped and then re installed. Figure on needing a hammer and some punches to remove/install the gas block pins, and torque wrench for installing the new barrel nut. |
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What rollmark will they have?
That Lipsey's photo is crap. Looks like "M4 CARBINE" (?) |
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These Colt OEM models are still on pre-order at DSG Arms (TX) they're priced at $775 (see links below).
I'm definitely going to get the OEM2 model instead of getting a complete LE6920 carbine because I have plenty of extra furniture in my storage boxes. https://dsgarms.com/cole6920-oem1 https://dsgarms.com/cole6920-oem2 |
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I stopped by GT Distributors in Austin TX yesterday. They had OEM1 in stock for 699.00 guys told me the OEM2 was on they way at the same price.
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Called GT. The price is 669.95 for the OEM1, but they will sell it to LEO only. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I stopped by GT Distributors in Austin TX yesterday. They had OEM1 in stock for 699.00 guys told me the OEM2 was on they way at the same price. Called GT. The price is 669.95 for the OEM1, but they will sell it to LEO only. That would be LEO price. |
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I stopped by GT Distributors in Austin TX yesterday. They had OEM1 in stock for 699.00 guys told me the OEM2 was on they way at the same price. Called GT. The price is 669.95 for the OEM1, but they will sell it to LEO only. That would be LEO price. When the guy on the phone asked me if I was an LEO and I told him that I wasn't, he said "I'll check on the civilian price". He came back on the phone and said that there wasn't a civilian price and that he could only sell this item to an LEO, first responder, etc. I was willing to pay the $699, but he would not sell it to me. He didn't even have it in his system and only was able to track it down from the information you posted. He said Austin had two. |
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=469027607
$743 + 25 shipping + 20.43 credit card fee = $788.43 This guy wants too much. I'll just have to wait for my guy to get them. His price point will be fair with free shipping and no CC fee. |
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=469027607 $743 + 25 shipping + 20.43 credit card fee = $788.43 This guy wants too much. I'll just have to wait for my guy to get them. His price point will be fair with free shipping and no CC fee. View Quote Eh yeah, I would hold out.... |
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=469027607 $743 + 25 shipping + 20.43 credit card fee = $788.43 This guy wants too much. I'll just have to wait for my guy to get them. His price point will be fair with free shipping and no CC fee. View Quote I think that's Ratworx. Their prices are always absurd. |
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$760 at a local gun shop.
Despite what Colt charges for their parts, you know darn well that the plastic furniture doesn't really cost Colt very much. As such, prices for the OEMs aren't going to be crazy low versus the pricing on a 6920. If I wanted a Colt but knew that I wasn't going to use the furniture or Magpul MBUS that they ship with, I'd buy a OEM. |
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$760 at a local gun shop. Despite what Colt charges for their parts, you know darn well that the plastic furniture doesn't really cost Colt very much. As such, prices for the OEMs aren't going to be crazy low versus the pricing on a 6920. If I wanted a Colt but knew that I wasn't going to use the furniture or Magpul MBUS that they ship with, I'd buy a OEM. View Quote It will negate the desire for the OEM if sells only a $100 less than the stock 6920. DSG's price is a few dollars off of the MSRP, they'll sell the first run but they'll see their price isn't competitive at all. |
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Depends on the rail. Two piece rails that bolt together around the factory barrel nut like the Centurion Arms C4 series or some Midwest Industries rails, etc. couldn't get any easier. Likely some Allen wrenches and a screw driver would be all you'd need. A rail that has its own proprietary barrel nut would require the factory shaved gas block to be removed so the barrel nuts could be swapped and then re installed. Figure on needing a hammer and some punches to remove/install the gas block pins, and torque wrench for installing the new barrel nut. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How hard is it to install a freefloat rail to the OEM2? Do you need special tools? Depends on the rail. Two piece rails that bolt together around the factory barrel nut like the Centurion Arms C4 series or some Midwest Industries rails, etc. couldn't get any easier. Likely some Allen wrenches and a screw driver would be all you'd need. A rail that has its own proprietary barrel nut would require the factory shaved gas block to be removed so the barrel nuts could be swapped and then re installed. Figure on needing a hammer and some punches to remove/install the gas block pins, and torque wrench for installing the new barrel nut. Thanks for the info. Is there any difference in durability? Kinda wondering why all the rail manufacturers don't just follow the Centurion Arms and Midwest Industries lead if the installation is that damn simple lol. |
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If you want to free float a Colt i can see goig for the 2 but i have a feeling the dealers around me will throw some junk on the 1 and charge 11 to 1200.
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It'll probably be my only AR15. Had one a few years back but had to sell it. Trying to decide if I want the fixed front sight or not.
Do you guys think the OEM 1 or 2 will be more popular? |
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It'll probably be my only AR15. Had one a few years back but had to sell it. Trying to decide if I want the fixed front sight or not. Do you guys think the OEM 1 or 2 will be more popular? View Quote If I were buying one, I would get the OEM 2. However, they have both styles, so the choice is yours. |
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Not in stock, but once again, the price point seems too high;
https://www.iammo.com/guns/rifles/colt-s-manufacturing-le6920-oem1-carbine-semi-automatic-rifle-556nato-16-1-barrel-1-7-rh-matte-finish-pistol-grip-a2-front-sight-no-furniture-model-le6920-oem1.html https://www.iammo.com/guns/rifles/colt-s-manufacturing-le6920-oem2-carbine-semi-automatic-rifle-556nato-16-1-barrel-1-7-rh-matte-finish-pistol-grip-flat-top-low-profile-gas-block-no-furniture-model-le6920-oem2.html |
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Not in stock, but once again, the price point seems too high; https://www.iammo.com/guns/rifles/colt-s-manufacturing-le6920-oem1-carbine-semi-automatic-rifle-556nato-16-1-barrel-1-7-rh-matte-finish-pistol-grip-a2-front-sight-no-furniture-model-le6920-oem1.html https://www.iammo.com/guns/rifles/colt-s-manufacturing-le6920-oem2-carbine-semi-automatic-rifle-556nato-16-1-barrel-1-7-rh-matte-finish-pistol-grip-flat-top-low-profile-gas-block-no-furniture-model-le6920-oem2.html View Quote LMAO! That kind of price would have me blacklist them for anything in the future. I don't think they understand the idea behind a 6920 without furniture. $830+? SMH... |
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