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Posted: 11/29/2014 12:17:24 PM EDT
I had bought a 6920 off the EE about a year ago. I just finally got around to picking up a new complete Colt BCG for it. Yesterday I tried to put this together and had a problem getting the BCG to go into the receiver. I did a full clean of the BCG and Receiver this morning and lubed everything. It was slightly better but its such a tight fit that when I finally got the BCG into battery that I couldn't pull the BCG back out of the receiver. It seems as if its getting hung up or its just such a tight fit that it doesn't move smoothly but also doesn't want to come out of battery. I had to yank on it with quite a bit of pressure for it to come out.
I also tried an older Colt BCG that I had but that one wouldn't even go into the receiver at all. Any thoughts on how to handle this before I send it out to get looked at? I should mention as well that the barrel on the upper is marked 4/13. |
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How far does it go in before it gets stuck? Is the upper receiver marked m4 by the gas tube hole?
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What charging handle are you using? Does it move smoothly when you remove the charging handle? Take some pics for us. Are there any rub marks on the receiver or BCG?
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I will take some photos soon. Yes, the Upper is marked M4. It was a complete 6920 purchase less the BCG. The new BCG goes in about an inch. The older BCG goes in and stops past the exposed bolt at the beginning of the Carrier.
No rub marks on either. The CH is a Colt. The CH runs smoothly without the BCG. The BCG without the CH acts the same as if it was with. |
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Someone might have damaged the upper while messing around with the barrel nut or flash suppressor.
Does the barrel nut or flash suppressor have any damage or worn finish/missing or bent teeth? It most certainly wouldn't have come from Colt like this, it sounds like bubba got to it. |
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It is really interesting that it was sold without the component that is has an issue with...I'm going with "it sounds like bubba got to it"
Good luck and keep us posted. |
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I'll also add that I would get in touch with the clown that sold it to you. He reaction will tell you right away if he knew it was messed up before the sale.
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It is really interesting that it was sold without the component that is has an issue with...I'm going with "it sounds like bubba got to it" Good luck and keep us posted. View Quote I am going to see if I can get in touch with the guy I bought it from off the EE. Not sure if I still have the information. It was sold without the BCG. Take off from 6920. |
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I should also mention that the BCG was bought complete from a reputable Colt Dealer. I don't think its the BCG at all.
I know its sacrilage but I did try this with a Bushmaster BCG and it fit fine. |
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Have you tried the colt bcg in another AR? What were the results?
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Someone might have damaged the upper while messing around with the barrel nut or flash suppressor. Does the barrel nut or flash suppressor have any damage or worn finish/missing or bent teeth? It most certainly wouldn't have come from Colt like this, it sounds like bubba got to it. View Quote I will have to look more closely into this. Maybe Monday i will inspect the Barrel Nut. The FH doesn't seem to be damaged. |
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Have you tried the colt bcg in another AR? What were the results? View Quote Ok. Found some interesting stuff. Bushmaster A2 (early 1994) Doesn't Fit. Same as trying to insert it into the 6920 Bushmaster 2003- Fits but gets stuck in Battery. I had to yank on the CH to get it out LMT 01-02 10.5 - Gets stuck in Battery . |
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your post sounds oddly familiar to something that happened to me a few days ago. I assembled a SOPMOD Block II a few years ago after I had the barrel on my Colt 6920 cut down to 14.5" and installed the Daniel Defense RIS FSP rail. It was an a complete Colt build, and except for BCM Gunfighter Charging handle, it was the same stock upper I have owned since I purchased it on the EE in 2007. Barrel, BCG, and upper have less than 1500 rounds (before I get fried, I have an issued M4 that I put a LOT of rounds through the rifle)
To get back to my story, a few days ago, I took the rifle out of the safe and tried to cycle the BCG. The BCG got hung up and the bolt did not want to lock into the receiver without a little pressure. I tried cycling it a few more times, and got the same results (Looked exactly like your pictures, believe it or not). I removed the BCG, inspected the upper receiver, gas tube, receiver extension, and bolt for any cracks/broken bolt lugs, bent gas tube, and dented receiver, but found nothing out of the ordinary. I cleaned the BCG, inspected the gas tube and receiver, and oiled the BCG and upper with Slip 2000 EWL. I reinstalled the BCG, and viola, the BCG cycled like butter. The upper wasn't shot, mishandled, or dropped, so I don't understand what could have happened. I never had a problem with the upper or any other Colt upper I own, so it was definetly strange. My advice is to clean your BCG, check for any of the aforementioned issues, and oil it with a quality lube (Mobil 1 is my backup lube if I don't have Slip 2000 EWL) and go from there. If you still get the same issues, then the upper is the problem. |
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Ok. Found some interesting stuff. Bushmaster A2 (early 1994) Doesn't Fit. Same as trying to insert it into the 6920 Bushmaster 2003- Fits but gets stuck in Battery. I had to yank on the CH to get it out LMT 01-02 10.5 - Gets stuck in Battery . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have you tried the colt bcg in another AR? What were the results? Ok. Found some interesting stuff. Bushmaster A2 (early 1994) Doesn't Fit. Same as trying to insert it into the 6920 Bushmaster 2003- Fits but gets stuck in Battery. I had to yank on the CH to get it out LMT 01-02 10.5 - Gets stuck in Battery . Did you try this with both of the Colt BCGs? Do you have another brand BCG to try in the Colt upper? |
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Did you try this with both of the Colt BCGs? Do you have another brand BCG to try in the Colt upper? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have you tried the colt bcg in another AR? What were the results? Ok. Found some interesting stuff. Bushmaster A2 (early 1994) Doesn't Fit. Same as trying to insert it into the 6920 Bushmaster 2003- Fits but gets stuck in Battery. I had to yank on the CH to get it out LMT 01-02 10.5 - Gets stuck in Battery . Did you try this with both of the Colt BCGs? Do you have another brand BCG to try in the Colt upper? I have tried another Colt BCG in my LMT and it worked. I haven't tried it in the Bushy's I did try the Bushmaster BCG in the Colt upper and it worked fine. |
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I have tried another Colt BCG in my LMT and it worked. I haven't tried it in the Bushy's I did try the Bushmaster BCG in the Colt upper and it worked fine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have you tried the colt bcg in another AR? What were the results? Ok. Found some interesting stuff. Bushmaster A2 (early 1994) Doesn't Fit. Same as trying to insert it into the 6920 Bushmaster 2003- Fits but gets stuck in Battery. I had to yank on the CH to get it out LMT 01-02 10.5 - Gets stuck in Battery . Did you try this with both of the Colt BCGs? Do you have another brand BCG to try in the Colt upper? I have tried another Colt BCG in my LMT and it worked. I haven't tried it in the Bushy's I did try the Bushmaster BCG in the Colt upper and it worked fine. Sounds like the problem isn't the 6920 upper, but the BCG you just bought. I am thinking it is the gas key that might be the culprit |
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Sounds like the problem isn't the 6920 upper, but the BCG you just bought. I am thinking it is the gas key that might be the culprit View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have you tried the colt bcg in another AR? What were the results? Ok. Found some interesting stuff. Bushmaster A2 (early 1994) Doesn't Fit. Same as trying to insert it into the 6920 Bushmaster 2003- Fits but gets stuck in Battery. I had to yank on the CH to get it out LMT 01-02 10.5 - Gets stuck in Battery . Did you try this with both of the Colt BCGs? Do you have another brand BCG to try in the Colt upper? I have tried another Colt BCG in my LMT and it worked. I haven't tried it in the Bushy's I did try the Bushmaster BCG in the Colt upper and it worked fine. Sounds like the problem isn't the 6920 upper, but the BCG you just bought. I am thinking it is the gas key that might be the culprit I agree with this. After reading the recent posts/troubleshooting, I am definitely leaning toward the new BCG as being the issue. |
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Ya i am starting to think the same thing. Im not really sure what to do about it. I spoke with the place that sold it to me and was advised to contact Colt.
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I agree with this. After reading the recent posts/troubleshooting, I am definitely leaning toward the new BCG as being the issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sounds like the problem isn't the 6920 upper, but the BCG you just bought. I am thinking it is the gas key that might be the culprit I agree with this. After reading the recent posts/troubleshooting, I am definitely leaning toward the new BCG as being the issue. It's more odd than that. Not only is his new Colt BCG a tight fit but his older Colt BCG won't fit at all. |
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It's more odd than that. Not only is his new Colt BCG a tight fit but his older Colt BCG won't fit at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sounds like the problem isn't the 6920 upper, but the BCG you just bought. I am thinking it is the gas key that might be the culprit I agree with this. After reading the recent posts/troubleshooting, I am definitely leaning toward the new BCG as being the issue. It's more odd than that. Not only is his new Colt BCG a tight fit but his older Colt BCG won't fit at all. Its all very odd to me as well as very frustrating. Was hoping to have this Colt build up and running. |
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Tried a Bushmaster and LMT BCG in the 6920 today and they both fit with no problem. Im gonna clean the shit out of the Colt BCG and see if I can't get it to go. If not I am going to call Colt
I just tried the Carrier only with no Bolt. It actually fits without the bolt. With and without the CH. Anyone have any thoughts on why the Carrier would fit without the Bolt? |
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Had a conversation with Colt today. The gentleman kept telling me to try my old Colt Bolt with the new carrier that came with the upper receiver. I finally got it through to him that I didn't have the original Bolt and that the Carrier was brand new unfired.
He finally said that the new bolt has to be broken in. Not sure how I am going to do that if I can't even get the carrier into the receiver. hahaha.. However it seems likely since the Carrier slides right in without the Bolt. |
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Is the head of the cam pin wider than the squared sides of the carrier key? Seems that if the carrier fits alone, there shouldn't be a fit issue with the bolt before it reaches the barrel extension, perhaps there is a problem with the cam pin.
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Take the bolt out and check the gas rings. I have seen the rings get tangled up and cause this...
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I hadn't touched it for a little bit because my Son had gotten sick. Its a good thing though because I am really banging my head on the table with this one. I did try another Colt Cam Pin. It seemed to install a little bit better but still has the same issue. Its amazing how tight this BCG is. I am not really sure where I go from here without bringing it to someone.
I also inspected the Gas Rings and they seem to be ok. |
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Check that the gas tube is orientated correctly. I had a friend that was having a similar problem a couple of years ago. It turned out the gas tube was installed upside down. His smith diagnosed the problem and re-installed the tube correctly. The problem went away.
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Check that the gas tube is orientated correctly. I had a friend that was having a similar problem a couple of years ago. It turned out the gas tube was installed upside down. His smith diagnosed the problem and re-installed the tube correctly. The problem went away. View Quote I will take a look at it shortly. Thanks |
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I will take a look at it shortly. Thanks View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Check that the gas tube is orientated correctly. I had a friend that was having a similar problem a couple of years ago. It turned out the gas tube was installed upside down. His smith diagnosed the problem and re-installed the tube correctly. The problem went away. I will take a look at it shortly. Thanks Since the new carrier works without the bolt, it seems the issue is the bolt itself, or the cam pin and not the gas key or gas tube. I would try the new carrier with a different cam pin and a different bolt. This may narrow down the issue. I got a new Colt bolt group from MidwayUSA and it was super stiff and tight, but it worked. I couldn't get the bolt 'snap' when I had it out and was cleaning it because the bolt was so tight in the carrier. After a few hundred rounds it's easier but still very tight. It works 100% in my SBR though, so I'm not worried. |
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Since the new carrier works without the bolt, it seems the issue is the bolt itself, or the cam pin and not the gas key or gas tube. I would try the new carrier with a different cam pin and a different bolt. This may narrow down the issue. I got a new Colt bolt group from MidwayUSA and it was super stiff and tight, but it worked. I couldn't get the bolt 'snap' when I had it out and was cleaning it because the bolt was so tight in the carrier. After a few hundred rounds it's easier but still very tight. It works 100% in my SBR though, so I'm not worried. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Check that the gas tube is orientated correctly. I had a friend that was having a similar problem a couple of years ago. It turned out the gas tube was installed upside down. His smith diagnosed the problem and re-installed the tube correctly. The problem went away. I will take a look at it shortly. Thanks Since the new carrier works without the bolt, it seems the issue is the bolt itself, or the cam pin and not the gas key or gas tube. I would try the new carrier with a different cam pin and a different bolt. This may narrow down the issue. I got a new Colt bolt group from MidwayUSA and it was super stiff and tight, but it worked. I couldn't get the bolt 'snap' when I had it out and was cleaning it because the bolt was so tight in the carrier. After a few hundred rounds it's easier but still very tight. It works 100% in my SBR though, so I'm not worried. I do agree that the BCG is extremely tight. |
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I do agree that the BCG is extremely tight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Check that the gas tube is orientated correctly. I had a friend that was having a similar problem a couple of years ago. It turned out the gas tube was installed upside down. His smith diagnosed the problem and re-installed the tube correctly. The problem went away. I will take a look at it shortly. Thanks Since the new carrier works without the bolt, it seems the issue is the bolt itself, or the cam pin and not the gas key or gas tube. I would try the new carrier with a different cam pin and a different bolt. This may narrow down the issue. I got a new Colt bolt group from MidwayUSA and it was super stiff and tight, but it worked. I couldn't get the bolt 'snap' when I had it out and was cleaning it because the bolt was so tight in the carrier. After a few hundred rounds it's easier but still very tight. It works 100% in my SBR though, so I'm not worried. I do agree that the BCG is extremely tight. The whole group is extremely tight or just the bolt? I thought you mentioned earlier in the thread that the carrier without the bolt fits just fine. If this is true, it seems the issue is the bolt or cam pin. My bolt was super tight in the carrier when I got it, so it seems a not uncommon issue. Also, if other bolt groups fit in the 6920 upper, this (to me) shows its the bolt group or bolt itself that is the issue. Again, I think it would be good to put one of your existing bolts and cam pins in the new Colt carrier and see what happens. |
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The whole group is extremely tight or just the bolt? I thought you mentioned earlier in the thread that the carrier without the bolt fits just fine. If this is true, it seems the issue is the bolt or cam pin. My bolt was super tight in the carrier when I got it, so it seems a not uncommon issue. Also, if other bolt groups fit in the 6920 upper, this (to me) shows its the bolt group or bolt itself that is the issue. Again, I think it would be good to put one of your existing bolts and cam pins in the new Colt carrier and see what happens. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Check that the gas tube is orientated correctly. I had a friend that was having a similar problem a couple of years ago. It turned out the gas tube was installed upside down. His smith diagnosed the problem and re-installed the tube correctly. The problem went away. I will take a look at it shortly. Thanks Since the new carrier works without the bolt, it seems the issue is the bolt itself, or the cam pin and not the gas key or gas tube. I would try the new carrier with a different cam pin and a different bolt. This may narrow down the issue. I got a new Colt bolt group from MidwayUSA and it was super stiff and tight, but it worked. I couldn't get the bolt 'snap' when I had it out and was cleaning it because the bolt was so tight in the carrier. After a few hundred rounds it's easier but still very tight. It works 100% in my SBR though, so I'm not worried. I do agree that the BCG is extremely tight. The whole group is extremely tight or just the bolt? I thought you mentioned earlier in the thread that the carrier without the bolt fits just fine. If this is true, it seems the issue is the bolt or cam pin. My bolt was super tight in the carrier when I got it, so it seems a not uncommon issue. Also, if other bolt groups fit in the 6920 upper, this (to me) shows its the bolt group or bolt itself that is the issue. Again, I think it would be good to put one of your existing bolts and cam pins in the new Colt carrier and see what happens. Yes the Carrier without the Bolt fits just fine. The Bolt and Cam are pretty tight. I just tried a Bushmaster and Bravo Company BCG and they fit fine. I then tried a Bushmaster Bolt and Cam pin in the Colt Carrier and it fit fine. I then tried the Bushmaster Bolt with Colt Cam Pin in the Colt Carrier and it fit fine. Issue must be with the Colt Bolt. |
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Yes the Carrier without the Bolt fits just fine. The Bolt and Cam are pretty tight. I just tried a Bushmaster and Bravo Company BCG and they fit fine. I then tried a Bushmaster Bolt and Cam pin in the Colt Carrier and it fit fine. I then tried the Bushmaster Bolt with Colt Cam Pin in the Colt Carrier and it fit fine. Issue must be with the Colt Bolt. View Quote There ya have it! Does it look or measure differently than the other bolts? Are the gas rings ok? Maybe take the gas rings off the new Colt bolt and see if it works without them. Gas rings are cheap to replace. |
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There ya have it! Does it look or measure differently than the other bolts? Are the gas rings ok? Maybe take the gas rings off the new Colt bolt and see if it works without them. Gas rings are cheap to replace. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes the Carrier without the Bolt fits just fine. The Bolt and Cam are pretty tight. I just tried a Bushmaster and Bravo Company BCG and they fit fine. I then tried a Bushmaster Bolt and Cam pin in the Colt Carrier and it fit fine. I then tried the Bushmaster Bolt with Colt Cam Pin in the Colt Carrier and it fit fine. Issue must be with the Colt Bolt. There ya have it! Does it look or measure differently than the other bolts? Are the gas rings ok? Maybe take the gas rings off the new Colt bolt and see if it works without them. Gas rings are cheap to replace. The Gas Rings look ok. But I won't rule it out. I will see what I can do about getting a measurement on it. Its amazing that I would have this issue with a Brand New Colt Bolt. |
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Have you shot it? It may be tight but I would bet after 50-100 rounds it would work fine.
Sometimes you just need to let the parts mate. I also notice on your picturs the BCG stops right where the dust cover detent is. Are you only experiencing this with the dust cover closed? Or also when it is open? |
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Have you shot it? It may be tight but I would bet after 50-100 rounds it would work fine. Sometimes you just need to let the parts mate. I also notice on your picturs the BCG stops right where the dust cover detent is. Are you only experiencing this with the dust cover closed? Or also when it is open? View Quote I haven't shot it yet. It happens with the Cover open and closed. I guess maybe I will have to try and shot this thing soon and see if it helps. |
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Are you sure it's a COLT bolt carrier? I've never seen a Colt bolt carrier that had the "C" marking sideways like the one in the photo you posted & I've seen hundreds of Colt bolt carriers.
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Are you sure it's a COLT bolt carrier? I've never seen a Colt bolt carrier that had the "C" marking sideways like the one in the photo you posted & I've seen hundreds of Colt bolt carriers. View Quote I had seen a thread awhile back on this subject. Its my understanding that they are out there. Someone else with more knowledge on this may want to chime in. I bought it new in the package from a Colt Distributer. Some Im certainly hoping that it is. Found this thread I just sent an email over to SAW to see what they have to say about this issue. |
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I had seen a thread awhile back on this subject. Its my understanding that they are out there. Someone else with more knowledge on this may want to chime in. I bought it new in the package from a Colt Distributer. Some Im certainly hoping that it is. Found this thread I just sent an email over to SAW to see what they have to say about this issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you sure it's a COLT bolt carrier? I've never seen a Colt bolt carrier that had the "C" marking sideways like the one in the photo you posted & I've seen hundreds of Colt bolt carriers. I had seen a thread awhile back on this subject. Its my understanding that they are out there. Someone else with more knowledge on this may want to chime in. I bought it new in the package from a Colt Distributer. Some Im certainly hoping that it is. Found this thread I just sent an email over to SAW to see what they have to say about this issue. Thanks for the info, The old saying is true "You learn something New every Day". |
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Thanks for the info, The old saying is true "You learn something New every Day". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you sure it's a COLT bolt carrier? I've never seen a Colt bolt carrier that had the "C" marking sideways like the one in the photo you posted & I've seen hundreds of Colt bolt carriers. I had seen a thread awhile back on this subject. Its my understanding that they are out there. Someone else with more knowledge on this may want to chime in. I bought it new in the package from a Colt Distributer. Some Im certainly hoping that it is. Found this thread I just sent an email over to SAW to see what they have to say about this issue. Thanks for the info, The old saying is true "You learn something New every Day". Ya it was news to be as well. But its weird to think that it even happens when 99% of the Carriers are probably marked the normal way. |
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Since it happens when the bolt is in, I have a feeling the cam pin is slightly rubbing the corner of the cam pin channel in the upper. Shooting it a few times will work a grove into the upper for the cam pin.
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Since it happens when the bolt is in, I have a feeling the cam pin is slightly rubbing the corner of the cam pin channel in the upper. Shooting it a few times will work a grove into the upper for the cam pin. View Quote Finally got home from the firehouse this morning and decided to mess around with it a little bit more. A had borrowed an older Colt BCG from a buddy of mine and started swapping parts in and out to see what worked with mine. It worked fine with my Carrier and his cam and bolt. It got a little bit tighter when I used my bolt and carrier with his cam but it worked. I then decided to put my carrier back together with all of my parts and just rack it a bunch of times. At first it wouldn't rack when I put it on the lower. I disassembled and racked it about 15 more times. It now racks fine when its on the lower. Im going to just consider this to be an issue with it being knew and break in period. I just found it odd that in the beginning it was so tight that it wouldn't even fit in the upper receiver. |
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Finally got home from the firehouse this morning and decided to mess around with it a little bit more. A had borrowed an older Colt BCG from a buddy of mine and started swapping parts in and out to see what worked with mine. It worked fine with my Carrier and his cam and bolt. It got a little bit tighter when I used my bolt and carrier with his cam but it worked. I then decided to put my carrier back together with all of my parts and just rack it a bunch of times. At first it wouldn't rack when I put it on the lower. I disassembled and racked it about 15 more times. It now racks fine when its on the lower. Im going to just consider this to be an issue with it being knew and break in period. I just found it odd that in the beginning it was so tight that it wouldn't even fit in the upper receiver. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Since it happens when the bolt is in, I have a feeling the cam pin is slightly rubbing the corner of the cam pin channel in the upper. Shooting it a few times will work a grove into the upper for the cam pin. Finally got home from the firehouse this morning and decided to mess around with it a little bit more. A had borrowed an older Colt BCG from a buddy of mine and started swapping parts in and out to see what worked with mine. It worked fine with my Carrier and his cam and bolt. It got a little bit tighter when I used my bolt and carrier with his cam but it worked. I then decided to put my carrier back together with all of my parts and just rack it a bunch of times. At first it wouldn't rack when I put it on the lower. I disassembled and racked it about 15 more times. It now racks fine when its on the lower. Im going to just consider this to be an issue with it being knew and break in period. I just found it odd that in the beginning it was so tight that it wouldn't even fit in the upper receiver. Cool. I was surprised how tight and stiff a new Colt bolt group was in my franken gun. For me, it's taken 500-750 rounds to loosen up and bed in a little. |
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