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Posted: 5/12/2012 11:39:18 AM
Picked it up yesterday, took a few pics before I cleaned the preservative off, and gave a good coating of CLP to everything...
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Posted: 5/12/2012 1:48:17 PM
Nice!!! Its interesting that the Cerro Forge marking is in a different spot. I noticed on my M4 Carbine its on the Mag Well.
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Posted: 5/12/2012 9:30:36 PM
[Last Edit: 5/12/2012 9:31:30 PM by Busteratl]
Anyone else contemplating having "CAL. 5.56 MM." engraved below the M4A1 CARBINE? Any suggestions as to the best place to have this done?
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:30:47 PM
does anyone know the weight on the 6920 socom ii ?
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Posted: 6/23/2012 4:02:25 PM
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Anyone else contemplating having "CAL. 5.56 MM." engraved below the M4A1 CARBINE? Any suggestions as to the best place to have this done? Absolutely not. You would be defacing a genuine Colt production quirk. Like the non-reinforced M16A1 receivers that are marked M16A2 or the full A2 feature recievers marked M16A1, and other production quirks over the years. My recommendation is to avoid altering your M4 SOCOM from its factory configuration. It is your rifle, do with it as you please just my $.02 FWIW. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 4:35:31 PM
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Anyone else contemplating having "CAL. 5.56 MM." engraved below the M4A1 CARBINE? Any suggestions as to the best place to have this done? Absolutely not. You would be defacing a genuine Colt production quirk. Like the non-reinforced M16A1 receivers that are marked M16A2 or the full A2 feature recievers marked M16A1, and other production quirks over the years. My recommendation is to avoid altering your M4 SOCOM from its factory configuration. It is your rifle, do with it as you please just my $.02 FWIW. Why? You think these will be worth more someday because Colt chose not to add the caliber marking? I doubt it. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 10:08:33 PM
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Anyone else contemplating having "CAL. 5.56 MM." engraved below the M4A1 CARBINE? Any suggestions as to the best place to have this done? Absolutely not. You would be defacing a genuine Colt production quirk. Like the non-reinforced M16A1 receivers that are marked M16A2 or the full A2 feature recievers marked M16A1, and other production quirks over the years. My recommendation is to avoid altering your M4 SOCOM from its factory configuration. It is your rifle, do with it as you please just my $.02 FWIW. Why? You think these will be worth more someday because Colt chose not to add the caliber marking? I doubt it. Yes, I do believe they will command higher collector value. Not anytime soon, but in say ten years sure I don't doubt it. |
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everyusernametaken
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Posted: 6/24/2012 12:03:12 AM
FWIW ratworx was selling just the lowers from the SOCOM I and II, with the "M4A1 CARBINE" rollmark. They were charging $600, which is certainly steep, but they seem to have sold out however many they had pretty quickly. They part out some of the complete rifles they receive to sell individual parts. Never seen that with Colt rifles anywhere else.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:30:30 PM
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Anyone else contemplating having "CAL. 5.56 MM." engraved below the M4A1 CARBINE? Any suggestions as to the best place to have this done? Absolutely not. You would be defacing a genuine Colt production quirk. Like the non-reinforced M16A1 receivers that are marked M16A2 or the full A2 feature recievers marked M16A1, and other production quirks over the years. My recommendation is to avoid altering your M4 SOCOM from its factory configuration. It is your rifle, do with it as you please just my $.02 FWIW. Why? You think these will be worth more someday because Colt chose not to add the caliber marking? I doubt it. Yes, I do believe they will command higher collector value. Not anytime soon, but in say ten years sure I don't doubt it. You could be right. Probably better not to mess with it anyway. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 12:18:15 AM
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By Busteratl:
Anyone else contemplating having "CAL. 5.56 MM." engraved below the M4A1 CARBINE? Any suggestions as to the best place to have this done? Absolutely not. You would be defacing a genuine Colt production quirk. Like the non-reinforced M16A1 receivers that are marked M16A2 or the full A2 feature recievers marked M16A1, and other production quirks over the years. My recommendation is to avoid altering your M4 SOCOM from its factory configuration. It is your rifle, do with it as you please just my $.02 FWIW. Why? You think these will be worth more someday because Colt chose not to add the caliber marking? I doubt it. Yes, I do believe they will command higher collector value. Not anytime soon, but in say ten years sure I don't doubt it. You could be right. Probably better not to mess with it anyway. It's a semi-auto gun. It won't change the value one bit. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 6:19:57 AM
Originally Posted By Predator:
It's a semi-auto gun. It won't change the value one bit. The fact that it is semi-only doesn't automatically mean it won't appreciate in value eventually. It depends on how many are made, and then only time will tell if they are desirable at some point in the future. I'm no collector, and I don't give much, if any, consideration to ROI on firearms I purchase, so it really doesn't concern me, but to each their own. I do like the M4A1 CARBINE rollmark though. It is unique. I wouldn't pay $600 for a lower with that rollmark, but some people apparently do. 
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Posted: 6/25/2012 6:23:11 AM
Originally Posted By olekennyroy:
Picked it up yesterday, took a few pics before I cleaned the preservative off, and gave a good coating of CLP to everything... http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/201.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/202.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/203.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/204.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/205.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/206.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/207.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/208.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/209.jpg http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk13/mr_speedvision/210.jpg Nice, that looks familiar.  |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:55:24 AM
Originally Posted By everyusernametaken:
Originally Posted By Predator:
It's a semi-auto gun. It won't change the value one bit. The fact that it is semi-only doesn't automatically mean it won't appreciate in value eventually. It depends on how many are made, and then only time will tell if they are desirable at some point in the future. I'm no collector, and I don't give much, if any, consideration to ROI on firearms I purchase, so it really doesn't concern me, but to each their own. I do like the M4A1 CARBINE rollmark though. It is unique. I wouldn't pay $600 for a lower with that rollmark, but some people apparently do.
What I meant by semi-auto is that it is not an NFA regulated item that can no longer be manufactured. You can no longer buy brand new M16's, rather if you want one, you have to buy one that was manufacturered prior to May 19th, 1986. So you can no longer supply the market with these firearms, which makes them all rare, collectable and if you modified it in any way, it will decrease it's value significantly. These semi-auto guns are not going to have a noticable value degredation by modification. In fact in a lot of cases they increase their value, i.e. added rails, stocks, sights, optics, etc... Personally I would never engrave a thing on my Colt lowers, not even for a Form 1, which is why I always buy factory SBR's. BUT if someone really wanted it to say 5.56mm, by adding it, it won't hurt the value and may just increase it for some potential buyers. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 10:34:24 PM
Originally Posted By Predator:
What I meant by semi-auto is that it is not an NFA regulated item that can no longer be manufactured. You can no longer buy brand new M16's, rather if you want one, you have to buy one that was manufacturered prior to May 19th, 1986. So you can no longer supply the market with these firearms, which makes them all rare, collectable and if you modified it in any way, it will decrease it's value significantly. These semi-auto guns are not going to have a noticable value degredation by modification. In fact in a lot of cases they increase their value, i.e. added rails, stocks, sights, optics, etc... Personally I would never engrave a thing on my Colt lowers, not even for a Form 1, which is why I always buy factory SBR's. BUT if someone really wanted it to say 5.56mm, by adding it, it won't hurt the value and may just increase it for some potential buyers. Yeah, it certainly wouldn't be worth as much as the preban lowers. I was thinking in terms of much lower values than that.
The only possible exclusivity with these semi-only M4A1 stamped lowers is if they only produce a small run, which I think they said will be the case, but who knows how many will end up being made. Maybe something that, 20 years down the line, would be sought after, like the SP1.. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:01:00 PM
Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By everyusernametaken:
Originally Posted By Predator:
It's a semi-auto gun. It won't change the value one bit. The fact that it is semi-only doesn't automatically mean it won't appreciate in value eventually. It depends on how many are made, and then only time will tell if they are desirable at some point in the future. I'm no collector, and I don't give much, if any, consideration to ROI on firearms I purchase, so it really doesn't concern me, but to each their own. I do like the M4A1 CARBINE rollmark though. It is unique. I wouldn't pay $600 for a lower with that rollmark, but some people apparently do.
What I meant by semi-auto is that it is not an NFA regulated item that can no longer be manufactured. You can no longer buy brand new M16's, rather if you want one, you have to buy one that was manufacturered prior to May 19th, 1986. So you can no longer supply the market with these firearms, which makes them all rare, collectable and if you modified it in any way, it will decrease it's value significantly. These semi-auto guns are not going to have a noticable value degredation by modification. In fact in a lot of cases they increase their value, i.e. added rails, stocks, sights, optics, etc... Personally I would never engrave a thing on my Colt lowers, not even for a Form 1, which is why I always buy factory SBR's. BUT if someone really wanted it to say 5.56mm, by adding it, it won't hurt the value and may just increase it for some potential buyers. At the present I fully agree with your assessment. Hovever, your theory is predicated on the notion that these rifles will forever be available as newly manufactured rifles. I think black rifles are too politically charged to avoid another ban similar to that passed in 1994, only next time it won't sunset. New/current manufactured rifles may not always be available for purchase in the future. The ones that are and are in factory unmolested condition (or readily restorable to such) will command a premium. And I do agree about buying factory SBRs whenever possible. The Colt SBR line is just too good to pass up. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:29:47 PM
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Nevermind, found answer to my question.
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Posted: 7/10/2012 12:55:38 PM
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The problem I have is with complete guns that Colt offers. So when I have a complete gun, I don't want to break it apart, even if I might like another roll mark better. In fact I don't like putting my LE6921 upper on my LE6933 lower, even though they are marked the same. There is just something about a true blue factory Colt gun that makes me never want to break them apart. In fact I had a hard time breaking that 6720 up just for the lower to put under my M16A4 upper. I don't know... I just want factory guns I guess. +1 It's like a religion. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:18:02 PM
I got to fondle a SOCOM and a SOCOM II today at a gunshow. Very nice guns and it was cool to see a factory Colt with a Daniel Defense rail.
I was in love with the lower's rollmark, but I really don't like ambi safeties and the M4A1 rollmark just wasn't worth the extra $400-$600, especially since I was gonna part out the upper anyway and I don't think it'd be real easy to sell a heavy barrel and a black FSP RIS II. So I picked up another M4 CARBINE Colt Defense 6920 at the show and bought a 2-pin 3rd gen Glock 17 off the EE here for less than the SOPMOD II was. I just have a 'thing' for older 3rd gen 17s and 6920s. |
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Posted: 8/21/2012 4:14:40 PM
[Last Edit: 8/21/2012 6:35:24 PM by Hutch98R1]
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Posted: 9/6/2012 5:03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By secondofangle:
Originally Posted By Predator:
The problem I have is with complete guns that Colt offers. So when I have a complete gun, I don't want to break it apart, even if I might like another roll mark better. In fact I don't like putting my LE6921 upper on my LE6933 lower, even though they are marked the same. There is just something about a true blue factory Colt gun that makes me never want to break them apart. In fact I had a hard time breaking that 6720 up just for the lower to put under my M16A4 upper. I don't know... I just want factory guns I guess. +1 It's like a religion. Not me, I would rather have a better more "correct" roll mark. If I had a complete LE6921 from the factory that said "COLT M4LE" or "Law Enforcement Carbine" I would sell that lower for one of these new ones marked "M4 Carbine". The gun just looks more complete and closer to military markings than the old roll marks. Right now, as it stands the 6933, 6940, 6920 etc. are all the same lower, the upper that it's mounted to is what designates the model number. So I wouldn't think twice about moving them around. That's all they did at the Colt factory. Just grab a lower from the assembly line. |
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Posted: 9/7/2012 12:52:49 AM
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By secondofangle:
Originally Posted By Predator:
The problem I have is with complete guns that Colt offers. So when I have a complete gun, I don't want to break it apart, even if I might like another roll mark better. In fact I don't like putting my LE6921 upper on my LE6933 lower, even though they are marked the same. There is just something about a true blue factory Colt gun that makes me never want to break them apart. In fact I had a hard time breaking that 6720 up just for the lower to put under my M16A4 upper. I don't know... I just want factory guns I guess. +1 It's like a religion. Not me, I would rather have a better more "correct" roll mark. If I had a complete LE6921 from the factory that said "COLT M4LE" or "Law Enforcement Carbine" I would sell that lower for one of these new ones marked "M4 Carbine". The gun just looks more complete and closer to military markings than the old roll marks. Right now, as it stands the 6933, 6940, 6920 etc. are all the same lower, the upper that it's mounted to is what designates the model number. So I wouldn't think twice about moving them around. That's all they did at the Colt factory. Just grab a lower from the assembly line. The problem with that is.. none of them are M4's or M4A1's. All semi-auto, web'd lowers and the new SOCOM rifles are 16", which is obviously wrong. To me they are all just AR15's. If a lower is marked M4 Carbine or M4A1 Carbine, it better have a fun switch. If it doesn't, it's just an AR15... That being said, I do understand Colt making the roll mark for the civilian market. I mean look at how they are jumping off the shelves. It's amazing how so many people put a value on what a lower is roll marked, on either side for that matter... |
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Posted: 9/7/2012 4:09:44 AM
Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By secondofangle:
Originally Posted By Predator:
The problem I have is with complete guns that Colt offers. So when I have a complete gun, I don't want to break it apart, even if I might like another roll mark better. In fact I don't like putting my LE6921 upper on my LE6933 lower, even though they are marked the same. There is just something about a true blue factory Colt gun that makes me never want to break them apart. In fact I had a hard time breaking that 6720 up just for the lower to put under my M16A4 upper. I don't know... I just want factory guns I guess. +1 It's like a religion. Not me, I would rather have a better more "correct" roll mark. If I had a complete LE6921 from the factory that said "COLT M4LE" or "Law Enforcement Carbine" I would sell that lower for one of these new ones marked "M4 Carbine". The gun just looks more complete and closer to military markings than the old roll marks. Right now, as it stands the 6933, 6940, 6920 etc. are all the same lower, the upper that it's mounted to is what designates the model number. So I wouldn't think twice about moving them around. That's all they did at the Colt factory. Just grab a lower from the assembly line. The problem with that is.. none of them are M4's or M4A1's. All semi-auto, web'd lowers and the new SOCOM rifles are 16", which is obviously wrong. To me they are all just AR15's. If a lower is marked M4 Carbine or M4A1 Carbine, it better have a fun switch. If it doesn't, it's just an AR15... That being said, I do understand Colt making the roll mark for the civilian market. I mean look at how they are jumping off the shelves. It's amazing how so many people put a value on what a lower is roll marked, on either side for that matter... True, I get that, but for Colt nut's like myself you are one step closer. Still just an AR, but looks closer to the M4 or M4A1. I buy the lower first, then get the 14.5 inch uppers to go with them. I don't mind the pin job. |
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Posted: 9/7/2012 5:25:26 PM
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By secondofangle:
Originally Posted By Predator:
The problem I have is with complete guns that Colt offers. So when I have a complete gun, I don't want to break it apart, even if I might like another roll mark better. In fact I don't like putting my LE6921 upper on my LE6933 lower, even though they are marked the same. There is just something about a true blue factory Colt gun that makes me never want to break them apart. In fact I had a hard time breaking that 6720 up just for the lower to put under my M16A4 upper. I don't know... I just want factory guns I guess. +1 It's like a religion. Not me, I would rather have a better more "correct" roll mark. If I had a complete LE6921 from the factory that said "COLT M4LE" or "Law Enforcement Carbine" I would sell that lower for one of these new ones marked "M4 Carbine". The gun just looks more complete and closer to military markings than the old roll marks. Right now, as it stands the 6933, 6940, 6920 etc. are all the same lower, the upper that it's mounted to is what designates the model number. So I wouldn't think twice about moving them around. That's all they did at the Colt factory. Just grab a lower from the assembly line. The problem with that is.. none of them are M4's or M4A1's. All semi-auto, web'd lowers and the new SOCOM rifles are 16", which is obviously wrong. To me they are all just AR15's. If a lower is marked M4 Carbine or M4A1 Carbine, it better have a fun switch. If it doesn't, it's just an AR15... That being said, I do understand Colt making the roll mark for the civilian market. I mean look at how they are jumping off the shelves. It's amazing how so many people put a value on what a lower is roll marked, on either side for that matter... True, I get that, but for Colt nut's like myself you are one step closer. Still just an AR, but looks closer to the M4 or M4A1. I buy the lower first, then get the 14.5 inch uppers to go with them. I don't mind the pin job. Even better would be getting a factory SBR in the form of an LE6921, which comes with 14.5" barrel, and new production ones have the "M4 CARBINE" and 5.56MM rollmarks. Then you don't have to engrave the lower while registering as an SBR. That is really as close as you can possibly get, if you're into that sort of thing. |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 5:42:22 AM
Originally Posted By everyusernametaken:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By secondofangle:
Originally Posted By Predator:
The problem I have is with complete guns that Colt offers. So when I have a complete gun, I don't want to break it apart, even if I might like another roll mark better. In fact I don't like putting my LE6921 upper on my LE6933 lower, even though they are marked the same. There is just something about a true blue factory Colt gun that makes me never want to break them apart. In fact I had a hard time breaking that 6720 up just for the lower to put under my M16A4 upper. I don't know... I just want factory guns I guess. +1 It's like a religion. Not me, I would rather have a better more "correct" roll mark. If I had a complete LE6921 from the factory that said "COLT M4LE" or "Law Enforcement Carbine" I would sell that lower for one of these new ones marked "M4 Carbine". The gun just looks more complete and closer to military markings than the old roll marks. Right now, as it stands the 6933, 6940, 6920 etc. are all the same lower, the upper that it's mounted to is what designates the model number. So I wouldn't think twice about moving them around. That's all they did at the Colt factory. Just grab a lower from the assembly line. The problem with that is.. none of them are M4's or M4A1's. All semi-auto, web'd lowers and the new SOCOM rifles are 16", which is obviously wrong. To me they are all just AR15's. If a lower is marked M4 Carbine or M4A1 Carbine, it better have a fun switch. If it doesn't, it's just an AR15... That being said, I do understand Colt making the roll mark for the civilian market. I mean look at how they are jumping off the shelves. It's amazing how so many people put a value on what a lower is roll marked, on either side for that matter... True, I get that, but for Colt nut's like myself you are one step closer. Still just an AR, but looks closer to the M4 or M4A1. I buy the lower first, then get the 14.5 inch uppers to go with them. I don't mind the pin job. Even better would be getting a factory SBR in the form of an LE6921, which comes with 14.5" barrel, and new production ones have the "M4 CARBINE" and 5.56MM rollmarks. Then you don't have to engrave the lower while registering as an SBR. That is really as close as you can possibly get, if you're into that sort of thing. Yep, even better. |
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Posted: 9/8/2012 7:43:43 AM
[Last Edit: 9/8/2012 7:44:13 AM by buddyhoohaw]
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By everyusernametaken:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Predator:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By secondofangle:
Originally Posted By Predator:
The problem I have is with complete guns that Colt offers. So when I have a complete gun, I don't want to break it apart, even if I might like another roll mark better. In fact I don't like putting my LE6921 upper on my LE6933 lower, even though they are marked the same. There is just something about a true blue factory Colt gun that makes me never want to break them apart. In fact I had a hard time breaking that 6720 up just for the lower to put under my M16A4 upper. I don't know... I just want factory guns I guess. +1 It's like a religion. Not me, I would rather have a better more "correct" roll mark. If I had a complete LE6921 from the factory that said "COLT M4LE" or "Law Enforcement Carbine" I would sell that lower for one of these new ones marked "M4 Carbine". The gun just looks more complete and closer to military markings than the old roll marks. Right now, as it stands the 6933, 6940, 6920 etc. are all the same lower, the upper that it's mounted to is what designates the model number. So I wouldn't think twice about moving them around. That's all they did at the Colt factory. Just grab a lower from the assembly line. The problem with that is.. none of them are M4's or M4A1's. All semi-auto, web'd lowers and the new SOCOM rifles are 16", which is obviously wrong. To me they are all just AR15's. If a lower is marked M4 Carbine or M4A1 Carbine, it better have a fun switch. If it doesn't, it's just an AR15... That being said, I do understand Colt making the roll mark for the civilian market. I mean look at how they are jumping off the shelves. It's amazing how so many people put a value on what a lower is roll marked, on either side for that matter... True, I get that, but for Colt nut's like myself you are one step closer. Still just an AR, but looks closer to the M4 or M4A1. I buy the lower first, then get the 14.5 inch uppers to go with them. I don't mind the pin job. Even better would be getting a factory SBR in the form of an LE6921, which comes with 14.5" barrel, and new production ones have the "M4 CARBINE" and 5.56MM rollmarks. Then you don't have to engrave the lower while registering as an SBR. That is really as close as you can possibly get, if you're into that sort of thing. Yep, even better. I filed a Form 1 on a new M4 Carbine 6920 lower for this same purpose and then a couple of weeks later I started seeing 6921s with the new lower. Oh well, I don't mind engraving lowers as I've got a local source and I saved a couple hundred dollars. Cheers |
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