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Posted: 11/16/2008 12:03:56 AM
[Last Edit: 1/5/2009 1:51:53 AM by badazzar15]
I received my Spikes 22lr upper yesterday and I was off to the range this morning to test it out. For the most part I am pritty happy with it. I shot around 450rds of the Walmart 550 Federal bulk pack and the more I shot it the more reliable it got with it jaming 10% of the time by the end of the shoot.
I then installed the full auto trip and weight I ordered with the upper. I could not get it to work in full auto at all. I tried it in two of my full auto lowers and neither would work. Both full auto lowers are factory and not conversions. The bag the full auto parts were in came with two springs and a BB which I still have not idea what they are for or how they are installed. I did try the full auto parts in my friends well used Spikes 22lr upper and it seemed to run well. I just hope that after some wearing in it too will run like a champ in full auto. My upper has the 5.5" barrel, carbine length YHM quad rail, and fake suppressor. I have a AAC Pilot that I will use on it at some point. |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 1:09:00 AM
This thread might help.
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Posted: 11/16/2008 2:05:39 AM
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 12:41:05 PM by badazzar15]
Ive tuned a TON of these things and this seems to be the best "drop-in" tune up.
Try this.. Definitly use the AAC Pilot. Back pressure is your friend on a barrel that short. Use the Anti-Bounce weight and ball and spring. Full length Lake side spring. If you need one let me know. CCI Mini mags. The best most consistant ammo Ive found for FA, Federal has become complete crap. |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 2:52:46 AM
For me I had to install a weeker hammer spring, the .22lr round didn't blow back hard enough to cock the hammer with the standard spring. Also I only use CCI mini mags, unless i'm shooting suppressed and then Remington Subsonic.
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Posted: 11/16/2008 3:17:47 AM
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 12:42:54 PM by badazzar15]
Sometimes you really gotta play with them to get them right. Its all in the "Tune" and "Sear Timing."
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Posted: 11/16/2008 8:47:08 AM
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Ive tuned a TON of these things and this seems to be the best "drop-in" tune up. Try this.. Definitly use the AAC Pilot. Back pressure is your friend on a barrel that short. Use the Anti-Bounce weight and ball and spring. Full length Lake side spring. If you need one let me know. CCI Mini mags. The best most consistant ammo Ive found for FA, Federal has become complete crap. Tom, When Angela called me to confirm my shipping address she mention a spring was being shipped to me with the anti bounce weight. Is that the Lake Side spring you are mentioning in the above post? I should get the package Monday since Angela said it would be in the mail around Wednesday of last week. Dane |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 10:12:49 AM
Thanks for the responce to my problem. I tried both the Federal & Remington Walmart bulk pack stuff and the CCI Mini Mags and none would work in full auto except when I used my friends upper and bolt on my full auto lower.
Can you tell me how to install the spring and ball as there were no instruction included? I finally figured out how to install the trip and anti bolt bounce by watching a video on Youtube. If a Lake Side spring will help I would like to get one. Please let me know how to get one. David 928-580-6953 |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 12:29:49 PM
Originally Posted By dr-marley:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Ive tuned a TON of these things and this seems to be the best "drop-in" tune up. Try this.. Definitly use the AAC Pilot. Back pressure is your friend on a barrel that short. Use the Anti-Bounce weight and ball and spring. Full length Lake side spring. If you need one let me know. CCI Mini mags. The best most consistant ammo Ive found for FA, Federal has become complete crap. Tom, When Angela called me to confirm my shipping address she mention a spring was being shipped to me with the anti bounce weight. Is that the Lake Side spring you are mentioning in the above post? I should get the package Monday since Angela said it would be in the mail around Wednesday of last week. Dane Dane, I dont believe the spring she is refering to is the lake side spring. We have them avilable on our website. Its called an ST-22 tune up kit. -Tom |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 12:31:39 PM
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 12:40:45 PM by badazzar15]
Originally Posted By azdskin:
Thanks for the responce to my problem. I tried both the Federal & Remington Walmart bulk pack stuff and the CCI Mini Mags and none would work in full auto except when I used my friends upper and bolt on my full auto lower. Can you tell me how to install the spring and ball as there were no instruction included? I finally figured out how to install the trip and anti bolt bounce by watching a video on Youtube. If a Lake Side spring will help I would like to get one. Please let me know how to get one. David 928-580-6953 The Anti-Bounce ball and spring goes bewteen the bolt and the rail. To Install it you would break the bolt down the same way you would to clean it. Start by removing the chamber adapter "The piece with the Feed ramp". Then slide the bolt off of the rail, when the bolt is off the rail you will notice a small hole towards the rear of the bolt on the ejection port side "the hole is located in the rail slot of the bolt". Place the spring in first and then the ball. Carefully slide the bolt back on the rail "becarefull not to loose the ball+spring or bend the rail", Then reinstall the chamber adapter and your Anti-bounce is now installed. -Tom @ Spike's Tactical |
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Posted: 11/16/2008 12:46:19 PM
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 12:46:37 PM by badazzar15]
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Posted: 11/19/2008 1:12:59 PM
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Posted: 11/22/2008 10:54:51 PM
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Posted: 12/26/2008 5:41:14 PM
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS?
Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? |
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Posted: 12/26/2008 6:59:22 PM
Originally Posted By Green0:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS? Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? They do work with a RDIAS but sometimes you have to tune the auto-trip for proper sear timing. Some of the sub-sonic stuff works while some doesn't. Each one likes different stuff so its a trial and error thing. -Tom |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 4:22:22 AM
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Green0:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS? Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? They do work with a RDIAS but sometimes you have to tune the auto-trip for proper sear timing. Some of the sub-sonic stuff works while some doesn't. Each one likes different stuff so its a trial and error thing. -Tom How do you tune auto-trip for proper sear timing? |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 8:24:58 PM
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Green0:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS? Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? They do work with a RDIAS but sometimes you have to tune the auto-trip for proper sear timing. Some of the sub-sonic stuff works while some doesn't. Each one likes different stuff so its a trial and error thing. -Tom How do you tune auto-trip for proper sear timing? You have to remove material from the auto trip (READ like .020-.030 MAX) from the side that contacts your auto sear in the lower. But first you need to make sure your issue is either bolt bounce or sear timing. Thats the hard part. Most of the time its weak ammo or bolt bounce. -Tom |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 10:08:24 PM
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Green0:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS? Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? They do work with a RDIAS but sometimes you have to tune the auto-trip for proper sear timing. Some of the sub-sonic stuff works while some doesn't. Each one likes different stuff so its a trial and error thing. -Tom How do you tune auto-trip for proper sear timing? You have to remove material from the auto trip (READ like .020-.030 MAX) from the side that contacts your auto sear in the lower. But first you need to make sure your issue is either bolt bounce or sear timing. Thats the hard part. Most of the time its weak ammo or bolt bounce. -Tom Could you help determine how one can tell if their problem is bolt bounce or sear timing? |
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Posted: 1/5/2009 10:50:38 PM
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Green0:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS? Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? They do work with a RDIAS but sometimes you have to tune the auto-trip for proper sear timing. Some of the sub-sonic stuff works while some doesn't. Each one likes different stuff so its a trial and error thing. -Tom How do you tune auto-trip for proper sear timing? You have to remove material from the auto trip (READ like .020-.030 MAX) from the side that contacts your auto sear in the lower. But first you need to make sure your issue is either bolt bounce or sear timing. Thats the hard part. Most of the time its weak ammo or bolt bounce. -Tom Could you help determine how one can tell if their problem is bolt bounce or sear timing? The answer is in the email that you sent me. |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 2:53:06 AM
So I've got the upper coming, now I just need a 22 lower, and the trip kit?
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Posted: 1/8/2009 9:08:29 PM
Originally Posted By Adjuster:
So I've got the upper coming, now I just need a 22 lower, and the trip kit? Do you have a RR? or RDIAS? |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 9:17:57 PM
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Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Adjuster:
So I've got the upper coming, now I just need a 22 lower, and the trip kit? Do you have a RR? or RDIAS? No. Which do I need? ETA: speaking of which, my upper is somewhere between Houston and here. As of 17 hours and 2 minutes ago. |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 10:12:44 PM
Originally Posted By Adjuster:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Adjuster:
So I've got the upper coming, now I just need a 22 lower, and the trip kit? Do you have a RR? or RDIAS? No. Which do I need? ETA: speaking of which, my upper is somewhere between Houston and here. As of 17 hours and 2 minutes ago. Personally I like RDIAS's. |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 2:30:54 AM
Tom,
Have you guys found it necessary to ream the bore on your uppers for reliable FA shooting? Jake |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 9:35:11 PM
Originally Posted By Jmacken37:
Tom, Have you guys found it necessary to ream the bore on your uppers for reliable FA shooting? Jake We chamber them the same for semi and full auto. |
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Posted: 3/24/2009 5:20:41 PM
[Last Edit: 3/24/2009 5:21:07 PM by DoctorNo]
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Green0:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS? Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? They do work with a RDIAS but sometimes you have to tune the auto-trip for proper sear timing. Some of the sub-sonic stuff works while some doesn't. Each one likes different stuff so its a trial and error thing. -Tom How do you tune auto-trip for proper sear timing? You have to remove material from the auto trip (READ like .020-.030 MAX) from the side that contacts your auto sear in the lower. But first you need to make sure your issue is either bolt bounce or sear timing. Thats the hard part. Most of the time its weak ammo or bolt bounce. -Tom Could you help determine how one can tell if their problem is bolt bounce or sear timing? The answer is in the email that you sent me. What's the answer for the rest of us? 
I ran my new upper yesterday and it was flawless with walmart federal bulk .22 in semi. 250 rounds plus. I love it! I left the anti-bounce weight and the ball bearing/spring in, even on semi. Tried to flip it on auto and the hammer would follow the bolt on the second shot every time, no matter what ammo I tried. It sounds like it's the sear trip that needs to be tuned. Thoughts? Can you provide a pictoral, perhaps, on how to measure, adjust, and test? Or at least text in the mean time .. I have all of next week off and I can make it to the range a lot 
Doc PS FYI I'm running a RDIAS. |
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Posted: 3/24/2009 11:42:13 PM
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Originally Posted By DoctorNo:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Green0:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the spikes dedicated ceiner kit with a RDIAS? Id be willing to drop in a lighter hammer spring but im just wondering if it would trip it. Especially curious if it would operate with subsonic ammo. Anyone try this? They do work with a RDIAS but sometimes you have to tune the auto-trip for proper sear timing. Some of the sub-sonic stuff works while some doesn't. Each one likes different stuff so its a trial and error thing. -Tom How do you tune auto-trip for proper sear timing? You have to remove material from the auto trip (READ like .020-.030 MAX) from the side that contacts your auto sear in the lower. But first you need to make sure your issue is either bolt bounce or sear timing. Thats the hard part. Most of the time its weak ammo or bolt bounce. -Tom Could you help determine how one can tell if their problem is bolt bounce or sear timing? The answer is in the email that you sent me. What's the answer for the rest of us?
I ran my new upper yesterday and it was flawless with walmart federal bulk .22 in semi. 250 rounds plus. I love it! I left the anti-bounce weight and the ball bearing/spring in, even on semi. Tried to flip it on auto and the hammer would follow the bolt on the second shot every time, no matter what ammo I tried. It sounds like it's the sear trip that needs to be tuned. Thoughts? Can you provide a pictoral, perhaps, on how to measure, adjust, and test? Or at least text in the mean time .. I have all of next week off and I can make it to the range a lot
Doc PS FYI I'm running a RDIAS. When you put the rifle on full auto, hold the trigger back and manually cycle the bolt using the charging handle, how close is the bolt to the chamber face when the hammer is released? You want the bolt to trip the sear when the bolt is about .1" away from the chamber face. Does your rifle ever double in semi? If so your mainspring probably needs to be trimmed, just remove 1/4" at a time until it starts to shoot singles only. If your rifle is firing perfectly in semi, but not in full auto your probably experiencing bolt bounce. If the hammer was just following the bolt forward you would experience that in semi also (shooting bursts). I finally got my RDIAS rifle tuned and running tonight, I have fussed with it for a while and last night I had an epiphany. I had a hard time waking the line between bolt bounce because the main spring was was to weak and the rifle not cocking the hammer because the main spring was to strong. My answer was to stiffen the detent spring, this resolved the bolt bounce while still allowing me to use a lighter main spring to let the rifle cycle the cheap stuff. My solution was as follows: 1. *Slightly* adjust the hammer spring legs to reduce their tension (This may effect 5.56 & 9mm, I haven't tested it yet, but I know it WILL effect 5.45 primer detonation) 2. I used a stiffer spring with the detent - Found the spring in a pen, used a drill press to remove the ledge in the detent hole for the larger spring to fit 3. trimmed a lakeside spring back until the rifle started shooting singles in semi (~1/2") 4. rolled it over to full auto and trimmed the spring back one coil at a time until it started running (~1/4" or 3 coils) I ran 5 mags threw it, it ran great! I'm so happy, its been a long road, I'm going to really give it hell this weekend to verify this isn't just temporary luck... |
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