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Posted: 9/24/2008 12:16:57 AM
[Last Edit: 11/21/2008 12:19:34 AM by blackgunfun]
Here is a list of what my ST-22 will /won't eat.
LIKES: FED. Bulk Pack 36g cphp 1260 fps " Gameshock 40g cprn " Champion 40g lrn CCI Stinger 32g cphp 1640 fps " Mini Mag 36g cphp 1260 fps WIN. Super RN 40g cprn 1300 fps " Super HP 36g cphp 1330 fps " Wildcat 40g lrn Win. 333 36gr. cphp 1280 fps DOESN'T LIKE: REMINGTON subsonic thunderbolt golden bullet 22 target CCI Green Tag 40g lrn 1070 fps I know some of these are Lead Round Nose but I just wanted to see if they would feed/fire or not. Hope this might be of some use to ya'll. 
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Posted: 9/24/2008 3:13:48 AM
You pretty much nailed it, Ive found out some of those myself. Although I have had customers report back to me saying that their Lothar Walther barrels loves Golden Rem's.
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:18:56 AM
Anyone use Blazer bulk packs yet? Just wondering how it shoots!
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Posted: 10/1/2008 6:31:50 PM
[Last Edit: 10/1/2008 6:38:06 PM by NORCAL_MNTN_MAN]
16" Shaw barrel with spikes new bolt
LIKES: Fed Bulk Pack 36GR CCI Stinger 32GR (never a misfire) Fed Automatch 40 GR(very accurate!) DISLIKES: CCI Mini Mags 40 GR - 1/3 will jam and shave lead while going into battery CCI Velocitors 40 GR - see above **I'LL UPDATE THIS POST AS I TRY NEW AMMO** |
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Posted: 10/1/2008 7:23:24 PM
Which barrel? Specs on the build? Thanks! |
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blackgunfun
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Posted: 10/2/2008 12:13:57 AM
16" Shaw barrel, single stage trigger, 1 DROP of oil on each rail. No mods. needed to make it run like a champ!! Will edit as I have some different ammo to try.
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Posted: 10/18/2008 4:52:48 PM
I ran a box of the Winchester white box ammo through her today... Lead tipped and hollow point. It was fairly consistent but far from accurate in my opinion but even though it was fairly consistant the amount of FTEs will keep me from ever trying it again...
I also tried some Remington Gold Tipped hp and it seemed even less consistent and probably equal/similar regarding the number of FTEs. The rounds that were errant were further from center than the Winchester white box ammo. We then tried the Federal bulk pack in the red box. Copper tip, hp, 36 grain. It had no FTEs but still not very consistent on paper... Lastly I tried some Federal lead tipped round nose match grade 40 grain ammo in the light tan box. I only got to shoot about 100 rounds of this but it seemed to be more consistant although still not what I would call accurate, not even at 25 yards through a scope... Every once in a while I would get a very solid group of 5 rounds but then it would shoot kind of erratic... The errant rounds would seem to float further away than even the W/B ammo... In summary, I will never buy the Winchester white box ammo again, lol. The Remington Gold tipped works great in my pistols but for some reason doesn't work so well in the ST-22. The Federal bulk pack in the red box cycles well, zero FTEs, but was not as accurate as I had hoped. Definitely not like some pics others have posted where they can cover 5 rounds with a nickel... Lastly the Federal lead tipped "Target Grade Performance" ammo also had zero FTEs but was still not as accurate as I had hoped... I cleaned her up and plan to head back to the range tomorrow to shoot some more of the "Target Grade Performance" Federal ammo. The match Federal ammo that folks says works good with these, it is copper or lead tipped? |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 4:58:26 PM
Anyone ever tried Aguila ammo? They have a 22lr version with 1750fps muzzle velocity and 204Ft-lb of "energy"...
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Posted: 11/2/2008 1:02:50 PM
My lothar walther barell likes cci mini mags the best.
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Posted: 11/16/2008 12:39:48 PM
I would like to give a litte update. While we have been using the Federal bulk ammo for some time now its getting worse and worse. Everytime I get another case its worse and worse. Its weak and underpowered and VARY Inconsistant. Im tired of having a perfectly fine rifle not function properly due to ammo related problem. Ive been testing with ALOT of CCI Mini Mags and its alot better stuff. It is more powerfull and MUCH more consistant. We might end up test firing and recommending CCI Mini Mags with our products from here on out.
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Posted: 11/17/2008 7:50:38 PM
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
I would like to give a litte update. While we have been using the Federal bulk ammo for some time now its getting worse and worse. Everytime I get another case its worse and worse. Its weak and underpowered and VARY Inconsistant. Im tired of having a perfectly fine rifle not function properly due to ammo related problem. Ive been testing with ALOT of CCI Mini Mags and its alot better stuff. It is more powerfull and MUCH more consistant. We might end up test firing and recommending CCI Mini Mags with our products from here on out. Which Mini Mags? |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 1:53:26 AM
how about Winny Dynapoints?
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Posted: 11/18/2008 1:55:49 AM
Originally Posted By BODC:
Anyone ever tried Aguila ammo? They have a 22lr version with 1750fps muzzle velocity and 204Ft-lb of "energy"... This shoots great inm y CLE dedicated upper, wonder how it will shoot in my SEBR? |
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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:14:43 AM
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
Originally Posted By BODC:
Anyone ever tried Aguila ammo? They have a 22lr version with 1750fps muzzle velocity and 204Ft-lb of "energy"... This shoots great inm y CLE dedicated upper, wonder how it will shoot in my SEBR? The Aguila yellow box stuff shoots great in my Lothar Walther barrel. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 1:06:02 AM
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
how about Winny Dynapoints? Anyone try these? |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:41:51 PM
[Last Edit: 11/22/2008 7:43:46 PM by BODC]
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
how about Winny Dynapoints? Anyone try these? Funny that I found folks asking about these since I recently tried them, lol. I was amazed at how clean they shoot, as in very little gun powder residue... They also shoot some pretty consistant groups. I was putting 25 rounds inside a quarter size group at 25 yards (the longest at my local indoor range) with a red dot. It is not a very strong ammo so I was getting lots of FTEs. I tried the Federal GameShock ammo again and it was pretty consistant as well as almost no FTEs. I then tried the CCI mini mags again and they ran flawlessly as far as zero FTEs. It is just the $8 a box for the CCI and $7 a box for the GameShock that keeps me looking for cheaper stuff. I went to a new store to see what they had for ammo and I ran into the black box Winchester Dynapoint GT ammo. I am going to go to the range tomorrow and swap out my red dot for a scope and see what she does. Again it will only be 25 yards though... If it works out right I should have a pretty clean gun, with pretty tight groups, but lots of FTEs. If that is the case then I plan to start trying to tune the bolt spring. I hope to have a good report for ya tomorrow. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 8:08:20 PM
Originally Posted By BODC:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
how about Winny Dynapoints? Anyone try these? Funny that I found folks asking about these since I recently tried them, lol. I was amazed at how clean they shoot, as in very little gun powder residue... They also shoot some pretty consistant groups. I was putting 25 rounds inside a quarter size group at 25 yards (the longest at my local indoor range) with a red dot. It is not a very strong ammo so I was getting lots of FTEs. I tried the Federal GameShock ammo again and it was pretty consistant as well as almost no FTEs. I then tried the CCI mini mags again and they ran flawlessly as far as zero FTEs. It is just the $8 a box for the CCI and $7 a box for the GameShock that keeps me looking for cheaper stuff. I went to a new store to see what they had for ammo and I ran into the black box Winchester Dynapoint GT ammo. I am going to go to the range tomorrow and swap out my red dot for a scope and see what she does. Again it will only be 25 yards though... If it works out right I should have a pretty clean gun, with pretty tight groups, but lots of FTEs. If that is the case then I plan to start trying to tune the bolt spring. I hope to have a good report for ya tomorrow. Let us know how it turns out with those Dynapoints, especially after the spring tuning. What's the difference between the White box and the GT Black box Dynapoint? |
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Posted: 11/23/2008 9:50:42 PM
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By BODC:
Originally Posted By PHWH43:
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
how about Winny Dynapoints? Anyone try these? Funny that I found folks asking about these since I recently tried them, lol. I was amazed at how clean they shoot, as in very little gun powder residue... They also shoot some pretty consistant groups. I was putting 25 rounds inside a quarter size group at 25 yards (the longest at my local indoor range) with a red dot. It is not a very strong ammo so I was getting lots of FTEs. I tried the Federal GameShock ammo again and it was pretty consistant as well as almost no FTEs. I then tried the CCI mini mags again and they ran flawlessly as far as zero FTEs. It is just the $8 a box for the CCI and $7 a box for the GameShock that keeps me looking for cheaper stuff. I went to a new store to see what they had for ammo and I ran into the black box Winchester Dynapoint GT ammo. I am going to go to the range tomorrow and swap out my red dot for a scope and see what she does. Again it will only be 25 yards though... If it works out right I should have a pretty clean gun, with pretty tight groups, but lots of FTEs. If that is the case then I plan to start trying to tune the bolt spring. I hope to have a good report for ya tomorrow. Let us know how it turns out with those Dynapoints, especially after the spring tuning. What's the difference between the White box and the GT Black box Dynapoint? I have to say that I think the Dynapoint GTs are about the best bulk ammo I have found "yet" for the price. I am not sure what the difference is but the WB Winny is dirty, terribly underpowered, and incredibly inconsistant. I was getting too many FTEs to even think of trying to tune the bolt to it... I had literally told myself that I would never shoot Winny again... I was going through so many different kinds of ammo that I ran out of what my local shop had to offer. I found these at a different store and decided to try them after talking to the salesman about past Winny experience... I am surprised at how consistant it is for bulk ammo and I am surprised at how clean it is. Nothing like the WB Winny... After shooting a bit, and liking the groups, I decided that I was ready to try and tune the bolt. I was getting at least 1 FTE per magazine so I thought I would try shaving a few coils off the bolt spring. I cut 6 coils after about 200 rounds and the FTEs fell back to about 1 every 2 magazines. I didn't want to cut any more off without cleaning the gun first. I may knock a couple more coils off next week... Here is some 25 yard shooting from today. There are 25 rounds in the top right target but I started having trouble aiming for a hole. Something I will have to practice later...  |
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Posted: 11/24/2008 10:45:41 AM
BODC
Can you post a pic of the box of good" ammo and then one of the box of the "bad" ammo so I make sure I get the right one> |
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Posted: 11/24/2008 7:18:01 PM
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
BODC Can you post a pic of the box of good" ammo and then one of the box of the "bad" ammo so I make sure I get the right one> I don't have a pic of the WB Winny... It is the standard stuff they sell at Walmart with the big red X on it... I tried to find a pic of the Black Box online and so far have failed. I will get one up from home tonight. |
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Posted: 11/24/2008 8:19:34 PM
[Last Edit: 11/24/2008 8:21:15 PM by BODC]
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
BODC Can you post a pic of the box of good" ammo and then one of the box of the "bad" ammo so I make sure I get the right one> Here is the stuff I found to work best so far for bulk ammo... Please remember that this was only tested at 25 yards... I am hoping for a warm weekend or two so I can try the outdoor 50 yard range...  |
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Posted: 11/24/2008 11:50:58 PM
I went Winchester's website and only found regulat .22LR Dyna Points, no "GT".. What siore do you get these at? Could it be a special run for them? Can't find it listed....Thanks again for all the time and effort.
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Posted: 11/25/2008 12:08:32 AM
I have a target 10-22 that I have built and I also found the fed target22 stuff is garbage. also agree with the CCI as being good stuff.
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Posted: 11/25/2008 6:49:05 PM
Originally Posted By FiftyCalAl:
I went Winchester's website and only found regulat .22LR Dyna Points, no "GT".. What siore do you get these at? Could it be a special run for them? Can't find it listed....Thanks again for all the time and effort. Dick's Sporting Goods... I don't seem to be able to find them either... Not in a black box anyhow... And I don't see how to contact Winchester directly to ask them about the black box ammo... I don't mind... Its fun trying different ammo... I still plan to try more as I find it... It seems odd that the Black Box Winny isn't on their web site... |
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Posted: 11/30/2008 12:09:21 PM
I've found CCI Mini-mags 40 gr to be the most consistent through my ST-22 with LW barrel. not the most accurate, but good enough for what i'm using it for. it's a tack driver with some other match ammo though.
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Posted: 12/4/2008 3:54:26 AM
[Last Edit: 12/4/2008 3:57:53 AM by Kaptain_Haddock]
I only got like 150 rounds through my ST-22 so far but it seems to eat CCI standard bulkpacks better than Federal. I got no problems with CCI at all yet but Federal sometimes gives me FTEs, a case gets stuck because it doesn't eject in time, I think it's because the charge is too weak to push the bolt all the way back, I suppose that could be fixed by taking a few coils off the spring but if CCIs run fine I think I'll leave it as is, will probably break in with use and cycle federal without any problems later.
I believe the ammo here is different from what you have in the states though. Our Federal bulkpacks for instance are 500 rounds instead of 550, and the CCI standards come in 500 too, I hear they only come in 100 in the states (that true?). Has anyone tried Aguilas 60gr SSS bullets? They seem interesting for suppressed shooting. |
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