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Does the Razor, venom or viper red dot share a bolting pattern or are they all unique?
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The Razor shares a mounting base pattern with the C-More, and the Viper and Venom are a Fastfire/Docter base pattern.
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I just sent in my order. Was going to go with the venom but after seeing the law enforcement discount, I ordered the razor.
The person I spoke to told me the razor will fit with the #3 MOS plate. We will see. Thanks |
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Is there a current dealer that is taking preorders for the Viper Red Dot? I am looking forward to it but the only pages I could find had it discontinued.
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I just sent in my order. Was going to go with the venom but after seeing the law enforcement discount, I ordered the razor. The person I spoke to told me the razor will fit with the #3 MOS plate. We will see. Thanks Where did you get an LE discount? Pm sent. I don't want to violate their program rules and I'm not sure if posting the info on here would be doing that or not. I definitely don't want to get disqualified from the program just for sharing the fact that such program exists. I know you aren't allowed to share prices FYI. |
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Quoted: Pm sent. I don't want to violate their program rules and I'm not sure if posting the info on here would be doing that or not. I definitely don't want to get disqualified from the program just for sharing the fact that such program exists. I know you aren't allowed to share prices FYI. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just sent in my order. Was going to go with the venom but after seeing the law enforcement discount, I ordered the razor. The person I spoke to told me the razor will fit with the #3 MOS plate. We will see. Thanks Where did you get an LE discount? Pm sent. I don't want to violate their program rules and I'm not sure if posting the info on here would be doing that or not. I definitely don't want to get disqualified from the program just for sharing the fact that such program exists. I know you aren't allowed to share prices FYI. Thanks for the info. Be safe. |
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Will the Venom work with the Burris #BUR410333 mounting plate that the Fastfire III uses? This would be a great Mossberg set up if so. Thanks!
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Just took delivery of a Razor 3moa Red Dot.
At rifle length eye relief, sharp dot, minimal optical distortion when getting positioned behind the optic for a sight picture. For arms length, pistol length, moving the gun to acquire the red dot at get a sight picture, I notice quite a bit more optical distortion. Most noticeable when moving the gun vertically and horizontally when having to re-acquire the dot. A moderate fisheye effect. Is this the norm for this red dot? My primary use is for a 10/22 steel challenge rifle... but I am always looking for an improved handgun red dot... to replace my C-more railway. Vortex, your input is appreciated! Cw |
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@cwallace56 - I'm not sure why it would be causing the distortion at arm's length, but not at rifle length. I've never noticed it when running on my pistols or my AK (ultimak rail). Have you had anyone else look at it? One thing I'll mention that you probably already know is that the further you get from the optic, the more sensitive it will be to movement due to perceived field of view. Do you shoot both eyes open to widen your apparent field of view?
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I was taking a look at the Vortex Viper RDS and I saw a couple reviews. What is up with the 2 reviews that are already posted for the Viper Red Dot? There is one from 5 days ago and it sounds like there are issues unless the person did not put the review in the correct place. I'd love to hear about updates on the Viper Red Dot as well if there are any. What would be the primary difference between the Venom and the Viper series besides the on/off button. Also have the battery life issues been resolved? What are we looking at for real life battery time? Link is below for the Viper Red Dot page with the reviews I'm talking about. Has there been an official ship date yet as well? Thanks!
http://vortexoptics.com/product/viper-red-dot-6-moa-dot |
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Greetings nbhansfo - thanks for checking in with us! Ok - the main differences are as follows. The Viper sits about 1.3mm lower than the Venom, and has a 6 moa dot as opposed to the 3 moa dot. The Viper also has locking screws at the rear of the optic to lock the windage and elevation adjustments while the Venom does not.
We've just started shipping the Viper red dots and they've been working really well! Since the bottom of the optic is o-ring sealed, I don't think there would be any issues. I personally haven't heard of any issues with the optic turning off under recoil. We would expect to see about 150 hours at the MAX setting, but the battery life increases exponentially as you decrease the intensity, with up to 30,000 hours on the minimum setting. Realistically you will rarely use the max setting, so that shouldn't discourage you. Let me know if you've got any other questions and I'll do my best to answer! [email protected] |
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Can someone answer two questions for me.
1. Will the Venom and Viper take a 12 gauge shotgun recoil? 2. Which would be best for a shotgun mounting solution (Venom / Viper)? Thanks, Robert |
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Greetings nbhansfo - thanks for checking in with us! Ok - the main differences are as follows. The Viper sits about 1.3mm lower than the Venom, and has a 6 moa dot as opposed to the 3 moa dot. The Viper also has locking screws at the rear of the optic to lock the windage and elevation adjustments while the Venom does not. We've just started shipping the Viper red dots and they've been working really well! Since the bottom of the optic is o-ring sealed, I don't think there would be any issues. I personally haven't heard of any issues with the optic turning off under recoil. We would expect to see about 150 hours at the MAX setting, but the battery life increases exponentially as you decrease the intensity, with up to 30,000 hours on the minimum setting. Realistically you will rarely use the max setting, so that shouldn't discourage you. Let me know if you've got any other questions and I'll do my best to answer! [email protected] View Quote Excited! I went ahead and ordered one through OpticsPlanet earlier. I'm assuming it is a drop ship item because it is saying "waiting for items" at this point. I look forward to getting it set up on my glock 17 and taking it out for a spin. Hopefully it doesn't take months to get like my EBR-2c Vortex Viper PST Scope last year haha! |
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Yes - I know a lot of competition shooters running these on their "open" division shotguns with great results! A lot of folks use the Burris "SpeedBead" mount and have really good luck. The great part is that there are tons of options for the FastFire/SpeedBead/Docter, and they all work for the Viper and Venom.
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So my guess then with the Unity Tactical mount for my Glock that the Fastfire 2 plate or the eotech plate will interface with the Viper or Venom perfectly, correct? As I've read on this post the viper for handguns the viper is better overall because of how low it sits, but the venom will work as well, correct?. I will likely go with the viper however because I can get the 6moa dot as opposed to the 3moa.
Last question being that i am using the Unity Mounting system which places the supressor sights forward of the optic rather than behind, will this have any impact on the light sensor? |
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You're correct - the Viper would be my choice, and since it sits lower and features a larger dot, will work well on that platform. If you did go with the Venom, the light sensor is right on the front of the optic, but if that is the mount in the link, you should be just fine.
http://www.unitytactical.com/shop/atom-slide-stripped/ |
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FWIW, I have a Walther Q5 Match with the Venom. Great combination, but I am waiting for the Viper to get the lower mounting and the larger dot.
I would like to mount an MRD on my PPQ. I am looking to mount without milling into the firing pin channel as in the Q5. The PPQ slide is narrower than the mounting pins, so I cannot cut the pins into the slide. I can mill the slide OK for a custom mounting plate. But I can get the sight to mount even lower if I don't have to use the mounting plate. I don't want the mounting screws to take the recoil. If I mill the slide for an interference fit of the MRD, would it stand up to the recoil as well as the mounting pins do? Would there be a difference in choice of sights as far as the housing being able to withstand the recoil? Venom/Viper? If I can standardize on an MRD that can be mounted this way, I can mill most any gun for this. |
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I am trying to decide between the Venom and the Razor. Both have a 3 MOA dot and I am mounting it on a 9mm AR pistol. Besides the price difference of the Razor being higher, what are the real things I should be considering?
This will be a travel and HD gun. |
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The Razor would be a more durable optic as far as the housing thickness goes, but is larger and heavier. The Venom is a lighter optic and has a top load battery compartment!
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Does the Razor have the same footprint as an RMR? for mounting?
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So going back to the first page or so of this post which was almost a year ago, I want to confirm.
Although some have had success mounting the Razor to their Glock MOS, it is still recommended to go with the Viper? I want 6 MOA but I liked the fact that I didnt need to remove the optic to replace the battery. But for $150 price difference I dont mind having to re zero the optic every once in a while. So I think I will go with the Viper. Next Question is - It was mentioned If getting the Viper for the Glock MOS you should request shorter screws and also that there was a shim plate needed to not short out the battery on the Viper if it is used on the Glock MOS. Where do I get that plate and the screws? EDIT: Sorry I read the shim and shorter screws comment somewhere else. But are they still necessary? |
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rekles75 - I'd say either would be a good choice, but my determining factor would be if you're going to get some extra-high/suppressor sights and want to co-witness the dot then I'd go with the Viper.
We will be happy to supply you the shorter screws which are necessary. I don't think the shim is necessary, but if you are having issues with the dot turning off while shooting, you might want to get one. A strip or 2 of electrical tape works well too! |
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Which would be the better choice as a primary optic on a carbine,... the Venom or Razor? What are the advantages/disadvantages?
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I have a Razor and I mounted it with the provided low profile mount. It put the dot right in the back of the Magpul BUIS
I bought a UTG Riser at .83 high and it put the dot a good bit above the BUIS. The ADM mount you all sell is .6 and offers lower third cowitness. I want absolute cowitness. Is there one you recommend? |
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While I'm not aware of a specific Razor mount at an absolute co-witness, any mount like this for c-more sights would work, so if there is an absolute option for the c-more sts/rts, that should do the trick.
-RJ |
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Morning all. I need help with picking the right optic for the following 3 weapons. All 3 will be running suppressed. The optics for the pistols will need to be low enough to cowitness. The first is the MCX SBR Im building. It already has the SparcII on it. But Im not super happy with it. It works fine, but it sits a bit too high (even with no riser), and its a little too heavy/big. Im thinking a Razor? 2nd is the 4" service. Not sure which one to go for. I will be shooting this one suppressed. So I would like to be able to cowitness. Last is my CCW. It will be getting a threaded barrel, and taller front sight, and will run suppressed at the range. So if you could, please fill in the blanks.. 1.) 2.) 3.) Thanks! |
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I have a hard time not recommending the Razor for all three.
It is the more rugged of the three according to our in house Vortex rep here It is what's on my AR-9. |
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Quoted: I have a hard time not recommending the Razor for all three. It is the more rugged of the three according to our in house Vortex rep here It is what's on my AR-9. View Quote Thanks for the response. Im pretty set on the Razor for the MCX. But I need to know if there is a better option for the pistols, since I want to use my irons if needed. So which ever one sits lower would likely be ideal. Would be nice if it was close to the same width as the slide as well. Also, should I be looking for a 3 or 6 MOA Razor for the MCX? |
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Just picked up the 3moa Razor from Primary Arms. They were the cheapest place I could find them. So now, I need 2 more. One for each pistol. Should I be going Viper, Venom? Remember, I need them low to co-witness. |
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The Viper would 100% be my choice if you need them to co-witness!
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Gotta say, I bought one of the first Venoms and installed it on one of the first Glock 35 MOS's. It has held zero very well and that reciprocating action's gotta be tough on it. Very impressed so far.
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The Viper would 100% be my choice if you need them to co-witness! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Between you being a Texan Co. and GD, along with the other people in here.... Your order is confirmed. Thank you for your purchase! Should you have any questions about the status of your order or wish to modify a current order, please contact [email protected] Viper for my M&P Core 5". Probably will order another one, once I find a 4.25" in stock here in DFW.... |
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I'm doing a lightweight AR build and have a Venom that's going to find a new home on it. I've never had this mount on an AR before. From looking around a little bit, it seems as though the best options are the AR 15 Riser Mount for Red Dots by Vortex or the AD-22 with an absolute co-witness spacer from American Defense. Is that right? Anything new come out recently?
Also, does anyone have a weight for each option? |
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Which of these would you recommend for a CZ Scorpion SBR? Those irons are pretty darn low, I don't want the optic to be sitting awkwardly high in comparison.
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Looking to mount a Viper or Venom on a G40 for a woods carry gun and thinking about co-witnessing with Trijicon bright & tough suppressor night sights (black read/front).
1. Which MOA would you choose? All shots will be within 50yds, and most will be well within 25yds. 2. Will the red dot washout while using NV or a green lens? |
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My first thought would be that the Venom and Viper on the RISER mount would be too high. I think that the Venom on the low (included) mount would be nearly ideal, but still probably would sit a bit too low. I'd get rid of those factory sights and put a set of flip ups and run the Venom on the RDMQ Riser mount. -RJ ([email protected])
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Just received my Viper today
slapped it on a Glock 17 Anxious to get it on the range |
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New Glock 34 owner here....I've read through this entire thread but am still puzzled on what would be the best sight to mount without any issues.....do I need any additional parts besides what comes with the Glock and Viper or Venom.
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Either would work well! If it is an MOS model you'll need to call us to get the right screws which we provide free of charge.
Also, if it is an MOS model and you want to co-witness irons, you'll need the Viper, and to get a set of Suppressor height sights to allow you to co-witness. If it is NOT an MOS model, you'll need to decide how to mount it and there are 2 basic options. #1 - Get a dovetail mount from EGWguns.com and tap out the rear sight, allowing you to tap in the dovetail mount and you're up and gunning. #2 - Have a gunsmith mill-out the slide for the optic. This is the more expensive, and permanent, option, but most would agree it is the most aesthetically pleasing way to mount an mrds. Finally, if you go with option 2, your gunsmith will need one of these specs to cut the slide dependent upon which dot you choose. http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/web_manual_viper_reddot_diagram.pdf http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/web_manual_venom_reddot_diagram.pdf |
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Either would work well! If it is an MOS model you'll need to call us to get the right screws which we provide free of charge. [snip] View Quote Dude you guys are awesome. I had this exact issue, called and your guys in the call dept sorted me out in under 3 minutes. That's a a rarity these days. Just wanted to say thanks. |
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