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Posted: 1/11/2015 12:06:53 AM EDT
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Was just gonna post a question about this scope.
Whats the scoop on it? It does look very familiar to the PA 1-6 scope..? Comment? |
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http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-strike-eagle-1-6x24-riflescope-ar-bdc-reticle
Here's some more info on it- It's looking to be a good seller for us. It is not a PA 1-6x. Second focal plane with our new AR-BDC reticle, MSRP $429. Thanks and let us know if you have further questions on anything! |
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Although the PA 1-6x24 is a nice scope for the money, anyone looking for a better quality glass at a very reasonable price will be well suited with the new VORTEX Strike Eagle. I have a PA 1-4x24 on one of my builds and I also have a VORTEX VIPER PST 1-4x24 TMCQ MOA that I just recently mounted to a Recce build. While the PA scope does what I want it to and at a very low price, the VORTEX is a much better scope for what I needed on the Recce. I own many of the VORTEX optics and I like the fact that they are covered by VORTEX's V.I.P. Unlimited Warranty. That is hard to beat. When I get to the point where I want a 1-6x24 scope, I will be getting the new Strike Eagle.
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Is the 1x a true 1x ? Can irons be used through the scope? And finally estimated release, like by summer or shot show?
My FIL is fixing to pick up an AR he won and im trying to convice him to trade up for a Stag 3G, this would be excellent for it. |
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It is a true 1x. For using iron sights, generally a set of 45 degree offset sights will work a lot better in conjunction with a riflescope if you're planning to use the iron sights and riflescope on the rifle at the same time. For an ETA, I would look for this riflescope in the Spring- April, to give a rough estimate.
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What current model would this be comparable to as far as glass quality? The PST?
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Field of view would be even wider than the PST but actual optical quality isn't quite as good as the PST (edge to edge clarity, resolution, etc.). Thanks again!
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That particular riflescope is manufactured in China with the quality control, service work, testing, R&D, etc. done right here in Middleton, WI.
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Saw this scope at SHOT Show and it is a lot of scope for the money. Glass is very goodnand the reticle is nice for quick 1x shots or holds at 6x. I am betting this will be a big seller for Vortex.
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Strike Eagle More Information Here's some more info on it- It's looking to be a good seller for us. It is not a PA 1-6x. Second focal plane with our new AR-BDC reticle, MSRP $429. Thanks and let us know if you have further questions on anything! View Quote |
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Put one one pre-order! Hoping it gets to me sooner than later!
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Thanks for the support, guys! We are excited for it, too. Thanks again and please let me know if you have further questions. I would be happy to help.
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How come the Strike Eagle is nitrogen purged and the rest of the line is argon?
Also Prem's fish fry IS BACK ....jfyi |
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Crossfire IIs are also Nitrogen-purged, also. Really, there's not a big difference between those two gases. They are both noble (non-reactive) gases that are used to purge the scope to prevent internal fogging. Nitrogen is a little less expensive but they both do a great job.
I always liked their BBQ pork, personally. I will have to check out their fish sometime! |
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I'm guessing you would need to zero the scope on 6X for the BDC to be correct? What grain bullet is the BDC set up for, or would it work with any grain ammo?
Thanks, Rick |
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You may zero the Strike Eagle on whichever magnification you'd like. I would choose 6x because I can shoot tighter groups on high magnification but you are free to zero on which ever setting you prefer. The important part comes into play when you want to shoot out to extended distances- with all second focal plane riflescopes, like the Strike Eagle for example, you will need to be on a specific magnification for the subtensions (BDC hashes, mil dots, etc.) to be correct. For example, if the first hash mark down represents your 300 yard hold, you will need to hold on that hash mark and take the shot while on 6x. If you lower the magnification and use the same hash mark, you will will shoot higher than intended at that distance. I hope that answers the question properly but please let me know if you have further questions. I would be happy to help.
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Crossfire IIs are also Nitrogen-purged, also. Really, there's not a big difference between those two gases. They are both noble (non-reactive) gases that are used to purge the scope to prevent internal fogging. Nitrogen is a little less expensive but they both do a great job. I always liked their BBQ pork, personally. I will have to check out their fish sometime! View Quote IIRC some luxury cars actually use Ar as tire inflating gas (rather than air) If Vortex were to have to work on a returned Strike Eagle would you guys fill it with Ar or N2? -just curious- And yeah try the beer battered Haddock call your order in ahead though last Friday night was a freaking ZOO 4:30 and the place was packed.....could hardly find a parking spot..... |
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You may zero the Strike Eagle on whichever magnification you'd like. I would choose 6x because I can shoot tighter groups on high magnification but you are free to zero on which ever setting you prefer. The important part comes into play when you want to shoot out to extended distances- with all second focal plane riflescopes, like the Strike Eagle for example, you will need to be on a specific magnification for the subtensions (BDC hashes, mil dots, etc.) to be correct. For example, if the first hash mark down represents your 300 yard hold, you will need to hold on that hash mark and take the shot while on 6x. If you lower the magnification and use the same hash mark, you will will shoot higher than intended at that distance. I hope that answers the question properly but please let me know if you have further questions. I would be happy to help. View Quote That answers my question. I knew on most second focal plane scopes a certain magnification, usually the highest was what made the subtensions correct. I might have to switch out my 1-4x pst for this model since the razor is a bit of a stretch for me in the price range department right now. Thanks again. |
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Also, the hash marks on the AR-BDC reticle match up with our JM-1 reticle in our Razor HD Gen II 1-6x24. This reticle was originally designed around a 5.56 60 grain Vmax fired at 3050 fps. However, we have found that it can be matched up effectively with a wide variety of 5.56 and 7.62 loads.
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Quoted: That answers my question. I knew on most second focal plane scopes a certain magnification, usually the highest was what made the subtensions correct. I might have to switch out my 1-4x pst for this model since the razor is a bit of a stretch for me in the price range department right now. Thanks again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You may zero the Strike Eagle on whichever magnification you'd like. I would choose 6x because I can shoot tighter groups on high magnification but you are free to zero on which ever setting you prefer. The important part comes into play when you want to shoot out to extended distances- with all second focal plane riflescopes, like the Strike Eagle for example, you will need to be on a specific magnification for the subtensions (BDC hashes, mil dots, etc.) to be correct. For example, if the first hash mark down represents your 300 yard hold, you will need to hold on that hash mark and take the shot while on 6x. If you lower the magnification and use the same hash mark, you will will shoot higher than intended at that distance. I hope that answers the question properly but please let me know if you have further questions. I would be happy to help. That answers my question. I knew on most second focal plane scopes a certain magnification, usually the highest was what made the subtensions correct. I might have to switch out my 1-4x pst for this model since the razor is a bit of a stretch for me in the price range department right now. Thanks again. |
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Quoted: IIRC some luxury cars actually use Ar as tire inflating gas (rather than air) If Vortex were to have to work on a returned Strike Eagle would you guys fill it with Ar or N2? -just curious- And yeah try the beer battered Haddock call your order in ahead though last Friday night was a freaking ZOO 4:30 and the place was packed.....could hardly find a parking spot..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Crossfire IIs are also Nitrogen-purged, also. Really, there's not a big difference between those two gases. They are both noble (non-reactive) gases that are used to purge the scope to prevent internal fogging. Nitrogen is a little less expensive but they both do a great job. I always liked their BBQ pork, personally. I will have to check out their fish sometime! IIRC some luxury cars actually use Ar as tire inflating gas (rather than air) If Vortex were to have to work on a returned Strike Eagle would you guys fill it with Ar or N2? -just curious- And yeah try the beer battered Haddock call your order in ahead though last Friday night was a freaking ZOO 4:30 and the place was packed.....could hardly find a parking spot..... Thanks for the heads-up on the fish dinners! |
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This is gonna be a nice little scope for a variety of projects not just the AR even if it is maximized for that platform.
I am eyeballing up that new Savage 17 HMR auto as I have an annoying predator population growing on our 40 The boys from Plain must have taken out most of the coyotes as the Bobcats are getting pretty thick and I saw a fisher out there the other day. Planning on putting some goats on that land too. I think this scope will be pretty quick to get up and engaged and won't break the bank either No I am not "hung up" on the gas just interested. |
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Also, the hash marks on the AR-BDC reticle match up with our JM-1 reticle in our Razor HD Gen II 1-6x24. This reticle was originally designed around a 5.56 60 grain Vmax fired at 3050 fps. However, we have found that it can be matched up effectively with a wide variety of 5.56 and 7.62 loads. View Quote To add to this, as mentioned you can use them with any weight or velocity bullet. I run the Razor II 1-6x with the JM-1 reticle in my 3 gun rifle but I don't run Jerry's load that the reticle was developed around. I use a Hornady 75grn BTHP at around 2600fps. No problem though as long as you know what the line separation is in MOA from your 200 yard zero at the crosshair then you can use the Vortex LBRC Ballistic Calculator or any ballistic program and run the data for your bullet and adjust what each line means for you accordingly. The lines are supposed to be 200 yard zero at crosshair then 300, 400, 500 and 600 yards. With my load above and a 200 yard zero my lines are 285, 374, 475 and 575 for the lines. I use and hold accordingly and it works very well. Here is a video from the 2014 FNH 3 Gun match. 8 long range targets from 160 yards to 440 yards, which was the last target shot. I was able to get the 5th fastest time of the match out of about 320 shooters because of the ease of use of the scope and reticle, which as mentioned uses the same graduations as the Strike Eagle reticle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfpPFryxA2M |
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That's awesome- I've hunted yotes with the Plain boys before. Those guys sure know what they are doing! I think it would be a good option for you on that build, too. Thanks again for the interest!
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Questions on the reticle...
Is it visible unpowered? Also, is there an auto shut off ? I have 2 Vortex scopes, one on my 45-70 and the other on a 7mm-08. I have been very happy with these 2, so pretty dang excited to give the new one a try on the AR. Is April-ish still close or has the release been pushed back?? |
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The reticle is solid black when not illuminated. It is fully visible.
April(ish) is a rough estimate. It could be sooner or later, but that's the best guess I have right now with the info available to me. Thank you for choosing Vortex! We really appreciate it. |
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Having a short objective focal length helps us get that range of travel .
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The reticle it's coming with is a BDC-style. There aren't any plans that I'm aware of to offer it in a Vplex but I can certainly pass the feedback along.
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How were you able to achieve 280 moa of adjustability? TTC View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Having a short objective focal length helps us get that range of travel . How do you achieve a short objective focal length? TTC |
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For me as long as the scope has enough MOA internally to zero I am happy as I use the reticle for all my shooting using holds. That's why it's good to have a well designed reticle like this one. My Razor II 1-6x was zeroed and the knobs capped and not touched. If the caps come off it will be to do a slight adjustment and then capped again. If I got this scope then I would do the same. It's not like you will be using 280 MOA of adjustment for anything. A .308/.223 data to 1000 yards is around 35-40 MOA and that's dialing. With this scope you probably won't be making 1000+ yard shots. Just trying to put a little perspective on the scope.
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For me as long as the scope has enough MOA internally to zero I am happy as I use the reticle for all my shooting using holds. That's why it's good to have a well designed reticle like this one. My Razor II 1-6x was zeroed and the knobs capped and not touched. If the caps come off it will be to do a slight adjustment and then capped again. If I got this scope then I would do the same. It's not like you will be using 280 MOA of adjustment for anything. A .308/.223 data to 1000 yards is around 35-40 MOA and that's dialing. With this scope you probably won't be making 1000+ yard shots. Just trying to put a little perspective on the scope. View Quote I dont know about that, I may have found the perfect Long range rimfire scope. Ive got about 200 MOA drop at 700 yds. Right now Im using the PST crossbow scope because the 50 MOA holdover line becomes 100 MOA on 5x. However I agree that is not the "purpose" of the scope, I just like thinking outside the box. |
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I always see "appreciate the feedback" comment so i will say it..... not a fan of the reticle. Im spoiled to my razor's reticle what can i say. For the price point i might try it out though.
Edit: i use to not like tortillas or beans but i start my mornings off with a potato, bean, and egg taco about 3 times a week..... so maybe i can be reformed? |
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Quoted: How do you achieve a short objective focal length? TTC View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How were you able to achieve 280 moa of adjustability? TTC Quoted: Having a short objective focal length helps us get that range of travel . How do you achieve a short objective focal length? TTC |
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Quoted: I always see "appreciate the feedback" comment so i will say it..... not a fan of the reticle. Im spoiled to my razor's reticle what can i say. For the price point i might try it out though. Edit: i use to not like tortillas or beans but i start my mornings off with a potato, bean, and egg taco about 3 times a week..... so maybe i can be reformed? View Quote The reticle subtensions in the Strike Eagle is actually the same as the JM-1 BDC- or were you referring to the MRAD or MOA reticles? If you could help me out a little bit with what you specifically meant, I would be happy to hear it. Glad you're liking your Razor, though. Thanks for picking one up. |
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I was comparing the 1-6 razor reticle (i believe i have the MOA) with the new eagle 1-6. I just dont know what to think of the half donut part of the reticle. However i am not in any way qualified to judge different reticles or the purpose of said applications. I just liked the razor reticle simplicity with the red dot. It isnt as busy is all. Again if i give it a chance i might like it.
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Ah ok I see. Yeah well by all means check it out and if you get more ideas on good offerings, feel free to let us know. Thanks again.
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I'm considering this to be my first Vortex and mid-magnification optic. So far, though, no manufacturer has fabricated an optic that meets all of my preferences. Being no fan of black, will this scope be offered in any other color? Being completely unfamiliar with Vortex and never having seen one of your scopes in person, does Vortex offer Duracoat or any other colors/patterns for a fee?
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Watcher im not affiliated with vortex in any way but someone asked the same question in another thread. Vortex answer was you can paint it yourself or have it professionally done without voiding your warranty. I joked about using krylon on a vortex razor and they said it was ok. Im to chicken shit to do it and the color doesnt bother me to really do it. If i get crazy i may try it on the eagle.
Vortex is the strike eagle nvg compatible? |
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Quoted: I'm considering this to be my first Vortex and mid-magnification optic. So far, though, no manufacturer has fabricated an optic that meets all of my preferences. Being no fan of black, will this scope be offered in any other color? Being completely unfamiliar with Vortex and never having seen one of your scopes in person, does Vortex offer Duracoat or any other colors/patterns for a fee? View Quote |
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Quoted: Watcher im not affiliated with vortex in any way but someone asked the same question in another thread. Vortex answer was you can paint it yourself or have it professionally done without voiding your warranty. I joked about using krylon on a vortex razor and they said it was ok. Im to chicken shit to do it and the color doesnt bother me to really do it. If i get crazy i may try it on the eagle. Vortex is the strike eagle nvg compatible? View Quote |
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Quoted: Thank you for giving us a look! We currently don't offer any custom painting services but that's a good suggestion to keep in mind. There are several good places to go for paint, though (it does not void our warranty). RIE Coatings in MN does a great job with Cerakote. I had one of my own rifles done by Jerome Soltis of Soltis Rifles in Evansville, WI. I'm very happy with the work he did. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'm considering this to be my first Vortex and mid-magnification optic. So far, though, no manufacturer has fabricated an optic that meets all of my preferences. Being no fan of black, will this scope be offered in any other color? Being completely unfamiliar with Vortex and never having seen one of your scopes in person, does Vortex offer Duracoat or any other colors/patterns for a fee? You folks really should set something up so a buyer could purchase from Vortex and have the scope sent directly to, say, RIE (Soltis, etc.), then delivered to the consumer. It would save time and shipping charges. Heck, use ARFCOM as the test group for this service before opening it up to the general public. The folks here would understand the experimental nature of the process at first and could offer feedback. |
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Quoted: I can't wait to get my hands on one of these. View Quote What is the expected release date? I'm not necessarily after a hard date to come back and complain about later, just a way to plan ahead for range time and, for some, competition planning. I'm certainly looking forward to the release, myself. I'm not opposed to the more expensive optic lines, but none offer all the features I want. My view is, if I'm going to have to compromise and get some features third-party, I'm not looking to pay the higher price point. Discovering a sub-$1K optic that is still 1-6x24 and in the $400 range seems almost too good to be true. Hopefully, the Strike Eagle will release to good reviews in optical clarity and light gathering. My preference is for an unpowered optic, but if it is powered, there has to be onboard spare battery storage. One manufacturer accomplishes this by selling you a new battery cap sized for a spare. I'm pleased to see Vortex designed this feature in from the beginning with the Strike Eagle. Otherwise, finding rail space for that spare battery holder might have been a negative. I'm also partial to the chevron. |
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Quoted: You folks really should set something up so a buyer could purchase from Vortex and have the scope sent directly to, say, RIE (Soltis, etc.), then delivered to the consumer. It would say time and shipping charges. Heck, use ARFCOM as the test group for this service before opening it up to the general public. The folks here would understand the experimental nature of the process at first and could offer feedback. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm considering this to be my first Vortex and mid-magnification optic. So far, though, no manufacturer has fabricated an optic that meets all of my preferences. Being no fan of black, will this scope be offered in any other color? Being completely unfamiliar with Vortex and never having seen one of your scopes in person, does Vortex offer Duracoat or any other colors/patterns for a fee? You folks really should set something up so a buyer could purchase from Vortex and have the scope sent directly to, say, RIE (Soltis, etc.), then delivered to the consumer. It would say time and shipping charges. Heck, use ARFCOM as the test group for this service before opening it up to the general public. The folks here would understand the experimental nature of the process at first and could offer feedback. |
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Quoted: What is the expected release date? I'm not necessarily after a hard date to come back and complain about later, just a way to plan ahead for range time and, for some, competition planning. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I can't wait to get my hands on one of these. What is the expected release date? I'm not necessarily after a hard date to come back and complain about later, just a way to plan ahead for range time and, for some, competition planning. |
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After reading the PDF owner manual from the Vortex website, I was unable to locate information regarding battery life. Likewise, is there a "off" setting for the illumination?
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