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Posted: 1/14/2012 8:36:39 PM
Pretty much makes my current AR10 lower worth less.
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Posted: 1/14/2012 11:04:05 PM
I just don't get why some folks seem to think its a bad idea for Armalite to tap into a market in order to gain even more sales,and make more money.
Or why it would make the current model 10B's decrease in value. Is the 10B design so less desirable that it does not have the sales confidence to support it? I don't think so. There are 10B's all over the place and I seriously doubt Armalite would halt production on the series any time soon,if ever,whether it be complete rifles or components.Not to mention the sole source tradmarked magazine conversions and Gen II magazine design. I guess this is all kinda the same emotional reaction some folks had,including myself,when Armalite decided to start selling lowers years ago.... it did not affect the value of my factory assembled Armalite M15's anymore than they would depreciate normally with use. Finally I came to realize that Armalite is trying to make products that will sell so they can make more money to ensure they can pay the bills and keep the doors open,not making collectables.I personally see the 10A as a expansion of the companies line and if anything else increases the value of my Armalite rifles,current and non-current models,as they progress. I have to ask,if the 10B's Gen II magazine was as popular as some want it to be,then why is this type of discussion happening in a new product announcement thread? Its rather obvious that the SR25 "Legacy" mag design is in fact gaining popularity with Armalites competition. I also don't understand true Armalite fans dislike that Armalite is going to use a design closer to the original Stoner,rather than a design that was accepted during the AWB....talk about nostalgic. Im very pleased to see the addition of the 10A to Armalites line,and Im going to buy one as soon as possible.As a customer thats how I'll continue to support the company Ive spent my money with for the last 15 years. I'd personally like to hear more details on the 10A and keep the thread on topic. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 12:57:47 AM
i dont know, i am a fan of armalite, and i got my first 308 ar around 2003, it was an Ar10 that i customized and sold it about 4 years later as i just didnt have the range to use it, fast forward a couple years and when it came time to pick up another, i went with mega(which i used armalite internals) and now LMT,
a big reason was the mags. its not a quality issue as much as there was only one producer and in the event that they were out of mags, you are left surfing the EE, or waiting for a batch to come in. add in the fact that there are now atleast 3 differnt companies that make high quality sr25 mags, and one of them is signifficantly cheeper than ar10 mags. add in that there are a number of high quality sr25 pattern rifles theres really no reason to stick with the ar10B. back in the day when there were 3 options for 308 ARs, the 5000 dollar sr25, the 1500 dollar AR10, and the bargin basement LR308, the ar10 was the logical choice, but the market changed. With that being said, armalite is now an option again |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 1:11:14 AM
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Adding a forward assist to their new uppers reduced the value of older uppers what makes you think Armalite totally changing their lowers to accept cheaper mags won't have the same impact? I can understand why Armalite is doing what they are doing but I can't help but think my current AR10 will be a rifle of the past very soon.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 1:15:03 AM
Originally Posted By arbob:
Neat!   Will a ban compliant version be available? Can I order one through the premier services section? |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 1:42:28 AM
No disrespect, but If I wanted to have a 308 AR that uses Pmags, I'd just buy a DPMS or a CMMG MK-3. CDNN has complete CMMGs 308 for less than 1k. Doesn't make sense to buy an AR-10A just to use Armalite uppers. Armalite should have just worked with Magpul to make polymer mags for AR-10B platform.
This just makes me want abandon Armalite products and play with the SCAR17S more. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 1:53:32 AM
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
No disrespect, but If I wanted to have a 308 AR that uses Pmags, I'd just buy a DPMS or a CMMG MK-3. CDNN has complete CMMGs 308 for less than 1k. Doesn't make sense to buy an AR-10A just to use Armalite uppers. Armalite should have just worked with Magpul to make polymer mags for AR-10B platform. This just makes me want abandon Armalite products and play with the SCAR17S more.  |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 2:23:38 AM
Originally Posted By QCMGR:
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
No disrespect, but If I wanted to have a 308 AR that uses Pmags, I'd just buy a DPMS or a CMMG MK-3. CDNN has complete CMMGs 308 for less than 1k. Doesn't make sense to buy an AR-10A just to use Armalite uppers. Armalite should have just worked with Magpul to make polymer mags for AR-10B platform. This just makes me want abandon Armalite products and play with the SCAR17S more. This. this thread is upsetting. Armalite responds to some customers calls for an armalite .308 that takes p-mags. they'd like the *option* of a gun that does such, if they so choose. they then clearly state they're not ditching their own mag pattern guns. the response: people start blowing up as if armalite just walked into their backyard and kicked their dogs. amazing. 
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Posted: 1/15/2012 2:44:16 AM
Im excited for this new release
I've been kicking around getting an ar10, and was talking with a shop who advised me to wait... Knowing that i would enjoy this new release. cheer up yall |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 8:56:17 AM
Originally Posted By DOG556:
Great move. I'm ordering one!! And too bad to all the cry babies. It's called a choice! +1 I cannot believe all this drama because Armalite responded to what many customers were asking for. The M14 style mag is superior IMHO, but it was costing them some sales. For someone who already owns a few AR-308 rifles and dozens of SR25 mags, it didn't make sense for them to buy an AR10. Now Armalite offers a rifle that accepts the mags they already own, and will continue to produce the existing product line. Why is this a bad thing? One thing that I'd really like to see is a M14 style AR10 mag that still functions in a M14. It shouldn't be that difficult to do. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 9:17:15 AM
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Originally Posted By eric496:
Originally Posted By DOG556:
Great move. I'm ordering one!! And too bad to all the cry babies. It's called a choice! +1 I cannot believe all this drama because Armalite responded to what many customers were asking for. The M14 style mag is superior IMHO, but it was costing them some sales. For someone who already owns a few AR-308 rifles and dozens of SR25 mags, it didn't make sense for them to buy an AR10. Now Armalite offers a rifle that accepts the mags they already own, and will continue to produce the existing product line. Why is this a bad thing? One thing that I'd really like to see is a M14 style AR10 mag that still functions in a M14. It shouldn't be that difficult to do. Part of the "drama" is due to people who neither own nor have any interest in an AR10, be it A or B, telling everyone that the A will kill sales of the B and the B will go away. You know, trolls. Also, the conversion mags made during the ban do work in both the AR10 and the M14. By law, it still have to work in the M14 or ArmaLite could not have used it for the AR10. It would have been a "new mag" with more than 10 round capacity. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:40:19 AM
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Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Also, the conversion mags made during the ban do work in both the AR10 and the M14. By law, it still have to work in the M14 or ArmaLite could not have used it for the AR10. It would have been a "new mag" with more than 10 round capacity. I remember that. It just surprises me that nobody makes a current production mag that will fit and function with both. Seems like there would be sufficient demand. ArmaLite could easily add a tab to the back of their mag so it functions in both and charge a few extra bucks for the option. Then some folks might be inclined to sell off their old M14 and AR10 mags to fund the purchase of new dual purpose mags. It isn't really a big deal, but it would be convenient. ETA: Before they went under, I expected C-Products to introduce one. IIRC the owner posted in the Armory, M1 & M1A forum a few years back asking if there was any interest in a stainless M14 mag and people suggested a mag to fit both. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 12:53:31 PM
Originally Posted By ArmaLite:
Bollox has it exactly correct: The legacy magazine, and its derivative, is merely an option just like green furniture or black. The basic rifle remains the same with few changes. We have had a lot of requests for the P-Mag in particular. Now, this is important: The M-14 based mag used in the B models is extremely successful and durable. We have a large installed base of those rifles out there and repeat customers that cannot practically switch. There is absolutely no intent to cancel the B line, and I don't expect the new magazine option to be so attractive that it'll dwarf the B line. The fact is that we have over a decade of experience with the M-14 based magazine and it's stunningly successful. It'll be a long time before we have the same confidence level with other magazines. For instance, we are not marketing the A model to institutional customers. I myself am not displacing any of my personal B models with As. M. Westrom Didnt expect Mr. Westrom to get involved in the thread. That lets me know how confident he is in his decisions. Its a great idea for sales, and will generate more respect for Armalite from those that are picky about the mags. Armalite is definitely still my choice. And will be regardless of what magazine they choose. AS LONG AS they keep the GEN II option. Like many others, I bought most of my mags when they were damn near $50. Good deal Armalite. This will also generate more money for you to release some different options. Maybe RD some new type of forearms, or maybe a DCM style float tube for the AR-10s. There are alot of innovations Armalite could move forward on after this move. Atleast I would hope so. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 3:30:02 PM
So when will these be ready to buy? Do you have any model numbers for the new models? When will the Pmags be listed on the website too?
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Posted: 1/15/2012 4:00:44 PM
That's great news!
The more options the better. Its all good. I like waffles  |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 4:39:46 PM
Originally Posted By QCMGR: Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1: No disrespect, but If I wanted to have a 308 AR that uses Pmags, I'd just buy a DPMS or a CMMG MK-3. CDNN has complete CMMGs 308 for less than 1k. Doesn't make sense to buy an AR-10A just to use Armalite uppers. Armalite should have just worked with Magpul to make polymer mags for AR-10B platform. This just makes me want abandon Armalite products and play with the SCAR17S more. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 5:16:53 PM
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Doesnt make sense for them to go back to making receivers that uses their original mags???
They are trying to be part or the standardization process for large frame 308 AR type rifles The sooner this happens the better Free Originally Posted By Firebird69:
Originally Posted By QCMGR:
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
No disrespect, but If I wanted to have a 308 AR that uses Pmags, I'd just buy a DPMS or a CMMG MK-3. CDNN has complete CMMGs 308 for less than 1k. Doesn't make sense to buy an AR-10A just to use Armalite uppers. Armalite should have just worked with Magpul to make polymer mags for AR-10B platform. This just makes me want abandon Armalite products and play with the SCAR17S more.
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Posted: 1/15/2012 5:36:16 PM
When will the stripped uppers and lowers be available??
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Posted: 1/15/2012 10:24:43 PM
[Last Edit: 1/15/2012 10:26:45 PM by motoguy]
As a potential Armalite customer, I'm pleased to hear this. I purchased my first 308 AR a few months ago. For a variety of reasons, I went with an LMT MWS. I also wanted to pick up a precision gun, and I found myself torn between the OBR and the Armalite SASS. I couldn't justify the price on the OBR, however I really liked the SASS. I did NOT, however, want to keep track of 2 different mag types for my 308 AR's.
I ended up purchasing a Mega receiver set, and building my 308 AR precision gun. I wanted something that took the same mags as my LMT, for convenience sake. Even after building the Mega (Rainier Ultramatch, Apex tube, AR10 BCG, etc) I still wanted the "integrated" Armalite SASS upper. Switchblock, forward assist, etc. A switchblock for my Mega build has become a PITA, and it still doesn't have a forward assist. As mentioned, I even went with the AR10 spec barrel, AR10 BCG, AR10 spring and buffer, etc. I really wanted an AR10 upper...but at the time I thought this was the closest I would be able to get. Since then, with the availability of the SASS upper as a standalone offering, I had decided to purchasing the upper, having minor machine work done, and use the SASS upper on my Mega lower. Now, however, with this most recent news...I won't have to do that. I will be buying an Armalite AR10A SASS. This decision is due, completely, to the recent offering. I haven't decided what I'll do with the Mega build. I imagine it'll stay as a "lesson learned". I'll be keeping an eye on my favorite gun vendors to see when these offerings are available. Armalite, thank you. |
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Posted: 1/15/2012 11:10:52 PM
Originally Posted By Firebird69:
Originally Posted By QCMGR:
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
No disrespect, but If I wanted to have a 308 AR that uses Pmags, I'd just buy a DPMS or a CMMG MK-3. CDNN has complete CMMGs 308 for less than 1k. Doesn't make sense to buy an AR-10A just to use Armalite uppers. Armalite should have just worked with Magpul to make polymer mags for AR-10B platform. This just makes me want abandon Armalite products and play with the SCAR17S more.
There isn't a "standard", just two platforms! When has more choice been bad for the consumer? |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:19:30 AM
Originally Posted By strong_epoxy:
This sounds like a great move. I do like my B and its mags, but going forward I'd likely only buy A1 models. What's disappointing is this message: "As stated earlier, we're not abandoning the AR-10B by any stretch of the imagination." We've all heard that many times. "We're not going to lay off anyone after this acquisition." or "We're going to continue to support our old model" A better message would be that the B's going to be retired, but Armalite's committed to parts availability and reasonably prices magazines for the rest of the company's life. A believable message given Armalite's current support for older models. B model owners have a quality firearm that'll last a lifetime (or three) given reasonable support. Respect them by telling the truth. We are telling the truth. TR |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:22:55 AM
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Why is teh SASS double the price? What are the differences besides the rail, bipod, gas block, and stock? The AR-10A SuperSASS is the same suggested retail as the AR-10B SuperSASS. Where are you seeing it as double? TR |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:26:27 AM
Originally Posted By arbob:
Neat! Will a ban compliant version be available? Can I order one through the premier services section?An AWB compliant version may not be available for awhile. Premier Services won't be building any AR-10A rifles as we're first looking to get the rifles established. We'll then release the AR-10A uppers, lowers, mag catches, and bolt stops. TR |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 2:29:00 PM
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
No disrespect, but If I wanted to have a 308 AR that uses Pmags, I'd just buy a DPMS or a CMMG MK-3. CDNN has complete CMMGs 308 for less than 1k. Doesn't make sense to buy an AR-10A just to use Armalite uppers. Armalite should have just worked with Magpul to make polymer mags for AR-10B platform. This just makes me want abandon Armalite products and play with the SCAR17S more. We tried. Not enough manufacturers that use the Gen II or modified M-14 mags to make it feasible for them money wise. TR |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 2:56:27 PM
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Originally Posted By ArmaLite:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Why is the SASS double the price? What are the differences besides the rail, bipod, gas block, and stock? The AR-10A SuperSASS is the same suggested retail as the AR-10B SuperSASS. Where are you seeing it as double? TR No I mean the SuperSASS for $3000 v the Carbine for $1500. Rail $300 Gas Block $100 Stock $300 Bipod $100 The difference doesnt add up and my prices are generous. |
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