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Posted: 7/19/2016 9:10:04 PM EDT
Is it possible to combine the PredatOBR short (12.5") handguard with the 16.1" barrel?
I'm using a Griffin Armament SPR suppressor, the the mount required 2.55" of exposed barrel. A 16.1" with the short handguard gives me the shortest possible barrel which will still be compatible w my mount. I'd really like to pull off a perm'd 14.5" but I don't think I will have enough exposed barrel to make it work. |
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I had the same question last week, so I called LaRue and asked. The answer from sales was "we aren't allowed to do that. The only option is to buy a 16" tOBR and purchase a short handguard separately."
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Which is almost $400 on top of a $2300 rifle. Its a little much to swallow for what should be a simple swap.
I go to a boutique type manufacturer for this type of thing. To be told about "company policy" and that type of thing is ridiculous. If you price at top tier in this market you better be able to have some flexibility. That "company policy" verbiage is something you expect at Applebee's. Not Larue Tactical. I tried e-mailing them directly, only to be told if you use the 12.5" handguard on the 16.1" barrel it would leave the gas block and a portion of the gas tube exposed so they don't do it. In looking at every pic I could find of various configurations, I don't see how that's possible. I was hoping it was a miscommunication, and maybe someone thought I was asking about a short handguard on a 18" barrel, hence my post here. I really want to buy a PredatOBR...Mark, help me out here. ;) |
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Which is almost $400 on top of a $2300 rifle. Its a little much to swallow for what should be a simple swap. I go to a boutique type manufacturer for this type of thing. To be told about "company policy" and that type of thing is ridiculous. If you price at top tier in this market you better be able to have some flexibility. That "company policy" verbiage is something you expect at Applebee's. Not Larue Tactical. I tried e-mailing them directly, only to be told if you use the 12.5" handguard on the 16.1" barrel it would leave the gas block and a portion of the gas tube exposed so they don't do it. In looking at every pic I could find of various configurations, I don't see how that's possible. I was hoping it was a miscommunication, and maybe someone thought I was asking about a short handguard on a 18" barrel, hence my post here. I really want to buy a PredatOBR...Mark, help me out here. ;) View Quote It's less than 100 bucks to have a shop chop the rail to whatever length you want and refinish. Look for the SBR predatOBR thread and he lists the shop he uses. LaRue isn't a custom shop, they have said this on more than one occasion. To say you don't agree with company policy and they should make an exception just for you is awfully narrow minded. |
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Which is almost $400 on top of a $2300 rifle. Its a little much to swallow for what should be a simple swap. I go to a boutique type manufacturer for this type of thing. To be told about "company policy" and that type of thing is ridiculous. If you price at top tier in this market you better be able to have some flexibility. That "company policy" verbiage is something you expect at Applebee's. Not Larue Tactical. I tried e-mailing them directly, only to be told if you use the 12.5" handguard on the 16.1" barrel it would leave the gas block and a portion of the gas tube exposed so they don't do it. In looking at every pic I could find of various configurations, I don't see how that's possible. I was hoping it was a miscommunication, and maybe someone thought I was asking about a short handguard on a 18" barrel, hence my post here. I really want to buy a PredatOBR...Mark, help me out here. ;) View Quote *20in, although it just peeks out I think, I plan on getting a 20 and have a 12.5 rail. |
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It's less than 100 bucks to have a shop chop the rail to whatever length you want and refinish. Look for the SBR predatOBR thread and he lists the shop he uses. LaRue isn't a custom shop, they have said this on more than one occasion. To say you don't agree with company policy and they should make an exception just for you is awfully narrow minded. View Quote I would agree with this if we were talking about a request to chop down the handguard on an OBR or a PredatAR. However, swapping the handguard on a PredatOBR would require about as much effort as swapping a lancer mag out for a GI mag. Isn't that the beauty of the tOBR system? LaRue is known for the great lengths they will go to to keep their customers happy after a sale, but I was surprised by the unwillingness to make such a small concession for the sale. As much as I appreciate the hats, dillos, dust, etc that comes in the box, I'd appreciate a consideration like this even more. The bottom line, however, is that it doesn't matter enough to make me to stop sending my money to Leander! |
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Quoted: LaRue is known for the great lengths they will go to to keep their customers happy after a sale, but I was surprised by the unwillingness to make such a small concession for the sale. As much as I appreciate the hats, dillos, dust, etc that comes in the box, I'd appreciate a consideration like this even more. The bottom line, however, is that it doesn't matter enough to make me to stop sending my money to Leander! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: LaRue is known for the great lengths they will go to to keep their customers happy after a sale, but I was surprised by the unwillingness to make such a small concession for the sale. As much as I appreciate the hats, dillos, dust, etc that comes in the box, I'd appreciate a consideration like this even more. The bottom line, however, is that it doesn't matter enough to make me to stop sending my money to Leander! It does stop me though, as I have a requirement for a suppressor. Those things aren't easy to come by... I don't want to chop and refinish. I've done the Cerakote rifle thing in the past, and I want the durability of hard anodizing. Quoted:
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Which is almost $400 on top of a $2300 rifle. Its a little much to swallow for what should be a simple swap. I go to a boutique type manufacturer for this type of thing. To be told about "company policy" and that type of thing is ridiculous. If you price at top tier in this market you better be able to have some flexibility. That "company policy" verbiage is something you expect at Applebee's. Not Larue Tactical. I tried e-mailing them directly, [/red]only to be told if you use the 12.5" handguard on the 16.1" barrel it would leave the gas block and a portion of the gas tube exposed so they don't do it.[/red] In looking at every pic I could find of various configurations, I don't see how that's possible. I was hoping it was a miscommunication, and maybe someone thought I was asking about a short handguard on a 18" barrel, hence my post here. I really want to buy a PredatOBR...Mark, help me out here. ;) That doesn't sound right. Doesn't the UDE Edition PredatOBR come with a 16" barrel and short handguard? They also offer it as a barrel cartridge combo. http://www.larue.com/sites/default/files/ude-rifle_0.jpg Thanks for posting that. That's pretty much exactly what I had envisioned, save for the color. |
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This. If calling in doesn't yield the desired result, you could always ask someone here for a trade. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Worst case trade it for the shorter one This. If calling in doesn't yield the desired result, you could always ask someone here for a trade. I thought about this before I put in my order, and it might be worth a try. However, I figured that the only folks with a short handguard were people people with 14.5" rifles. The long handguard is too long for the 14.5", so unless someone was trading both the barrel (which I didn't want) and the handguard, they would have an incompatible barrel/handguard combo. The process seemed like it might be more trouble that it was worth. My current plan is to swap the 14.5" barrel for a 16" stealth. I'll miss the PST, but I've had good luck suppressing my 16" tAR. I'm not sure the PST is worth the extra $500 for as much as I would use it. |
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I thought about this before I put in my order, and it might be worth a try. However, I figured that the only folks with a short handguard were people people with 14.5" rifles. The long handguard is too long for the 14.5", so unless someone was trading both the barrel (which I didn't want) and the handguard, they would have an incompatible barrel/handguard combo. The process seemed like it might be more trouble that it was worth. My current plan is to swap the 14.5" barrel for a 16" stealth. I'll miss the PST, but I've had good luck suppressing my 16" tAR. I'm not sure the PST is worth the extra $500 for as much as I would use it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Worst case trade it for the shorter one This. If calling in doesn't yield the desired result, you could always ask someone here for a trade. I thought about this before I put in my order, and it might be worth a try. However, I figured that the only folks with a short handguard were people people with 14.5" rifles. The long handguard is too long for the 14.5", so unless someone was trading both the barrel (which I didn't want) and the handguard, they would have an incompatible barrel/handguard combo. The process seemed like it might be more trouble that it was worth. My current plan is to swap the 14.5" barrel for a 16" stealth. I'll miss the PST, but I've had good luck suppressing my 16" tAR. I'm not sure the PST is worth the extra $500 for as much as I would use it. You should be able to sell the 14.5 barrel pretty easy, hell, I'd be interested if it has the TQ brake. |
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Worst case trade it for the shorter one View Quote Like others have said, I don't think this is a viable option. Worst case would be buying the 16.1" for $2400 then plopping down an additional $400 for the short hand guard and trying to sell the longer one. If I was a business trying to sell and AR that expensive I would just make that swap and move on. I'm waiting to hear back from their guy I've been emailing with. With the whole exposed gas block thing I wonder if he thought I was talking about the 20" barrel. Which is still odd, because it seems Larue's gas blocks as about the same distance from the receiver regardless of barrel length. |
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order up the 14" with a pinned and welded tranquillo brake along with the 16 " barrel you desire and I bet somebody would jump at picking up the 14" with adaptor especially if they could save a few bucks ,i have been thinking of one.but I'm on step 10 of the 12 step quit buying gun stuff program and don't want so go back to step 1
but pm me if you have one for sale pete |
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order up the 14" with a pinned and welded tranquillo brake along with the 16 " barrel you desire and I bet somebody would jump at picking up the 14" with adaptor especially if they could save a few bucks ,i have been thinking of one.but I'm on step 10 of the 12 step quit buying gun stuff program and don't want so go back to step 1 but pm me if you have one for sale pete View Quote Well the problem is that the budget is just about maxed out as it is. Another $300-400 is a deal breaker even if a portion could be recouped after. |
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Does anyone happen to have a photo of a short handguard with an 18" barrel on a 308 tOBR?
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Hold on a second are you saying you can't put a suppressor on the 16.1 PredatOBR????
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Hold on a second are you saying you can't put a suppressor on the 16.1 PredatOBR???? View Quote I don't think you're tracking. My suppressor (Griffin Armament SPR) mount needs 2.55" of free and clear barrel behind the muzzle. The 16.1" with the 14.5" handguard won't do it. The 16.1" with the 12.5" will work. I want to order a PredatOBR in this config, but a Larue rep said it wasn't possible because the short handguard would leave the gas block and part of the gas tube exposed, which doesn't seem correct. |
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I don't think you're tracking. My suppressor (Griffin Armament SPR) mount needs 2.55" of free and clear barrel behind the muzzle. The 16.1" with the 14.5" handguard won't do it. The 16.1" with the 12.5" will work. I want to order a PredatOBR in this config, but a Larue rep said it wasn't possible because the short handguard would leave the gas block and part of the gas tube exposed, which doesn't seem correct. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hold on a second are you saying you can't put a suppressor on the 16.1 PredatOBR???? I don't think you're tracking. My suppressor (Griffin Armament SPR) mount needs 2.55" of free and clear barrel behind the muzzle. The 16.1" with the 14.5" handguard won't do it. The 16.1" with the 12.5" will work. I want to order a PredatOBR in this config, but a Larue rep said it wasn't possible because the short handguard would leave the gas block and part of the gas tube exposed, which doesn't seem correct. i would think it is correct being the short should cover a carbine length system and the 14.5 uses a mid length gas system |
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Hold on a second are you saying you can't put a suppressor on the 16.1 PredatOBR???? View Quote No, the long hand guard on a 14.5 P/W covers basically all the threading of the barrel or about a third of the muzzle device so a suppressor can't be attached to the 14.5 with the long hand guard on it...yet |
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Look at the picture I posted above. The gas block is still covered with the short handguard so if the person at LaRue said it would be exposed, he is wrong. Also, if you look at the different barrel lengths on LaRue's 5.56 tOBR page, the gas block is in the same position on all lengths but the 20".
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I don't think you're tracking. My suppressor (Griffin Armament SPR) mount needs 2.55" of free and clear barrel behind the muzzle. The 16.1" with the 14.5" handguard won't do it. The 16.1" with the 12.5" will work. I want to order a PredatOBR in this config, but a Larue rep said it wasn't possible because the short handguard would leave the gas block and part of the gas tube exposed, which doesn't seem correct. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hold on a second are you saying you can't put a suppressor on the 16.1 PredatOBR???? I don't think you're tracking. My suppressor (Griffin Armament SPR) mount needs 2.55" of free and clear barrel behind the muzzle. The 16.1" with the 14.5" handguard won't do it. The 16.1" with the 12.5" will work. I want to order a PredatOBR in this config, but a Larue rep said it wasn't possible because the short handguard would leave the gas block and part of the gas tube exposed, which doesn't seem correct. Got cha your right I was not tracking now I get it! Thank you for the clarification |
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For those with recently purchased 12.5" handguards, how many slots along the top are there?
What I got from the rep at Larue is that the issues is in access to the PST selector. I noticed the UDE rifle has more slots along the top of the rail than the standard 12.5" rail. Eleven as opposed to ten. So unless the UDE represents a production changed applied to ALL 12.5" rails, I'm guessing that's the issue. |
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I have a like new short hand guard I'd trade for the longer one. Let me know.
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Are we talking about a .308 PtOBR? Does it matter? Thought just occurred to me.
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I also have a 5.56 tOBR short handguard and a 14.5" barrel with an A2 pinned on it. I would be willing to trade and or pay a little extra if you have a different muzzle device on yours. Please let me know. My listing is in the EE. Looking to get a longer handguard with a 16" barrel.
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