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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:04:48 PM EDT
ML Quoted: UPS is on the ball this morning... trigger showed up. First impressions: 1) Packaging is very, very well done. In fact, this is the only trigger I have that hasn't shown up in a ziploc baggie. 2) Score - My trigger is 007 - thanks for engraving the 100 'give away' triggers 3) Machining looks perfect, as does the finish. The disconnector is not held in by the trigger pin, so there is no pre-assembly or slave pin needed to hold it together. 4) Installation - I dropped it into a bare lower to get an idea how it feels, there's one or two triggers this could 'bump' and I wanted to do as few trigger swaps as possible. Using a G-trigger alignment thingy, installed very easily. How does it feel... Well it's a hell of a nice 2 stage. Really nice in fact. The pull is right on the money as described 4 pounds 8.3 ounce average after 10 measured pulls. Maybe 1 or 2 oz variation, but that's on a bare lower in a rest. First stage is very smooth 2.5 pounds, where you hit a wall and another 2 pounds breaks the trigger. Good positive reset, not as short as an AR-Gold. I will be moving some triggers around and in the next day or two will do a bit more of a write-up and see if I can't give a comparison against a few of the triggers I have. And more importantly, go and shoot it. Edit - this post is useless without photos... View Quote Quoted:
Out with the old... In with the new. First impressions: I love this trigger. The first stage take-up is short but well defined. It feels a bit less than the SSA it replaced but still enough to to give total control. (I do have a set screw installed to take up trigger pre-slack so that could be the reason the first stage feels shorter) The stop as it hits the second stage is solid, well defined and very controllable. Just a bit more squeeze and the break is nice and crisp. As with the first stage, the weight to break the trigger feels less than the SSA and when it goes, it feels like breaking a pencil lead. It's instantaneous and there is absolutely no slop or travel. It's simply squeeze and break. The broad width of the trigger feels great on my fat finger and just fits. I can easily say that I like this trigger more than the SSA. (which I also love) I wish I had an SSA-E on hand to compare to but the MBT is going to be a tough act to follow. Mark and company scored another win with this one. View Quote Quoted:
First, let me thank Mark Larue for the contest. I would also like to wish him and all of the great folks at Larue Tactical a most Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year! I was the first winner in the drawing here on ar15.com. Still can't believe it, should have bought a lottery ticket as well that day... So, like others here, I received a MBT-2S trigger on Friday the 19th. I was able to install it that evening but I wasn't able to post here about it until now. I'm working 12-hour days and I was well and truly exhausted... First, the obligatory pictures: "The Box" along with my LT hat I wear on the job pretty much every day... Contents of "The Box"... Close-up of the trigger in it's cool packaging... There can only be ONE and here it is...001/100...Thank You, Mark Larue! And, lastly, the trigger and the rifle it went into just prior to installation. The rifle is what I like to refer to as a DMR-ish type M-4gery...16" BCM BFH barrel with a 10" Larue FF handguard. EO-Tech EXPS-3 and G33 Magnifier. Pretty damned accurate, now it has a trigger that will do it justice... My initial impressions from dry firing today: This afternoon, I was able to compare it to a couple of rifles of a friend that have Geissele triggers, one with a SSA and another with a SSA-E. We didn't have a trigger pull gauge, however, so I can't give you exact weights on the triggers...I can only tell you what they felt like to ME. First stage is pretty similar on all 3 of the triggers. Second stage is where I noticed the biggest difference. The MBT-2S broke lighter than the SSA but not quite as light as the SSA-E. The second stage of the MBT-2S had very little creep and very little over-travel...less in both categories than either of the Geissele triggers. The break itself is very clean and "sharp". I read another review that compared it to like "breaking pencil lead". I strongly concur...very nice break. Other observations: I really like how wide the trigger itself is but the edge seems just a little sharp, it could use a wee bit more of a radius in it...just my $0.02. Very "beefy" construction, looks over-engineered and built to last. They're listed as being made from S7 Tool Steel...here's what I was able to dig up about S7 Tool Steel: "S7 is a shock-resistant air hardening tool steel, designed for high impact resistance at relatively high hardness. It offers toughness to withstand chipping and breaking, combined with high attainable hardness and good wear resistance. Typical Applications- Heavy Impact Punches, Warm Forging/Heading Dies, Plastic Injection Molds, Shear Blades, Powder Compaction Punches." Hmmmmm...sounds pretty much like the perfect material for a premium trigger group for AR's. Imagine that... Installation was easy and straightforward but, as stated elsewhere, you will have to remove the safety selector to install it. I went ahead and put a small dab of Molybdenum Disulfide grease on the bearing surfaces to help keep everything working smoothly. I should be able to get out to the range and give the rifle a proper workout next weekend. I'll follow up with another review after that but color me very impressed as of now. And I'm not easy to please...I work on aircraft parts for a living. If something's not right, it's my job to bitch about it. "No Free Rides". Guys, it looks like Mark & the folks at Larue Tactical have a real winner here. If you're sitting on the fence whether or not to get one, you're wasting time. These are kick-ass triggers... View Quote Quoted:
I tried to install my MBT trigger. Got it installed and it wouldn't fire. Hmmmm........ My calipers have a dead battery but the problem was easy to spot without measuring. The trigger is a tad wide and won't fit into the safety, or the safety is too narrow for the trigger. Either way It won't work in my A2 lower until I get a safety that has a slightly wider notch. Robbed the safety from my CavAid lower(remember those?) It works. So, out with the Jard, in with the MBT Pics View Quote Quoted:
Here is my review. I got number 005/100: A little background: I am a big fan of 2-stage triggers. Every AR15/AR10 I own has one. I was a huge fan of the RRA trigger for years. Since then I have owned many Geissele's. SSA, SSA-E, HS NM DMR, G2S. I have had good and some bad experiences with lots of triggers over the years. Upon initial inspection, I noticed a few things: LaRue has used a roll pin instead of the traditional J-pin to hold the hammer spring from walking. Interesting. I also noticed it holds it very tightly, which is a good thing. The overall design of the trigger is very similar to the early Armalite/RRA 2-stage triggers, it uses a pinned disconnector. RRA on the left, LaRue on the right: RRA uses .155" oversized pins, which have to be pounded into the lower: LaRue uses standard .154" pins. They were easy to assemble to the lower: The trigger assembly, since the disconnector is pinned, is very easy to install to the lower. No "fitting pin" is really needed like with other triggers which use a floating disconnector. Just drop in and install the pin. The hammer install like all AR15 hammers, laying the hammer spring legs on top of the trigger pin, to keep the trigger pin from walking. For some reason, this hammer is easier to install than others, perhaps because of its shape and smoothed edges. I used a small rubber/brass tap hammer to tap the hammer pin past the "j-pin" in the hammer, which is require for most all triggers. On to installing the safety. As a lefty - I use a Troy ambi-safety in all my weapons. I love them. However, it was incompatible with this trigger. The tail of the LaRue trigger bar is a bit too wide to fit into this safety. The Troy safety is really narrow compared to factory safeties I had laying around, which is was impacted this. I'll probably modify the LaRue trigger to fit in the future, but for now I assembled it with a factory Rock River safety. It went together perfectly. On to testing the trigger. The actual trigger surface of the LaRue MBT is unique, it is wide and flat, but utilizes a curved bow. At first look, I thought I would not like the feel of the trigger. However, once I sat down and start dry firing, I realized how much I like the wide flat face of the trigger, as compared to other triggers. The first stage take-up of the MBT was lighter than several other triggers I own, and exceedingly smooth. It came immediately and consistently to a wall which is the second stage. A good 2-stage trigger will allow you to be able to come up to your second stage, and hold, let off, and consistently repeat. The LaRue trigger is actually the smoothest of my triggers in this department. On the second stage: It was heavier feeling than my RRA and Geissele triggers, but very crisp. I don't have a gauge for trigger pull weights, mostly because I go by what feels good, I never cared about poundage measurements. I'd describe the MBT as a light first stage, and heavy 2nd stage trigger. The second stage has just an ever so slightly detectable amount of creep. This is not bad - ALL 2-stage triggers with this design do. The engagement surfaces have a small amount of travel before releasing the hammer. I could just detect this when I pulled incredibly slowly, watching the trigger bar closely. Upon dry firing in a normal manner this was not noticeable. Then the trigger breaks like a candy cane snapping, with a slight amount of overtravel. I set up a Geissele SSA, SSA-E, and a High Speed National Match DMR side by side with this trigger. First stage, the MBT was the smoothest of the bunch. The SSA/SSA-E was a close second. My DMR trigger has some grit in the first stage. All three have a very solid hit into the second stage wall, which is repeatable. This is nice when engaging multiple targets at distance, where you very quickly pull through the first stage to rest on the second stage, while you are acquiring and holding on your next target, and you begin your squeeze through the second stage. The weight of the second stage was lightest in the SSA-E, which I use in my 3-gun rifle. However, the SSA-E has a lot of detectable creep in the second stage. I din this common when the second stage is light, as it is in the SSA-E. I generally don't mind because I use that trigger as a single stage most of the time, running and gunning. The break in all these triggers is great. Very consistent, and crisp. The flat wide surface of the MBT provides really good feedback to your finger during the second stage and through the break. On overtravel, which is the distance the trigger moves from the break to the max trigger travel, the MBT was the least of all my triggers. You don't want much trigger movement after the break in a precision trigger, so this is very good! On reset - I like a VERY short, and VERY noticeable reset. This seems to be rare in triggers. Seems the shortest resets also are very light, such as on the AR Gold trigger. The MBT had a very noticeable reset, loud audibly and via feel. It was not long, and comparable to the other triggers I was testing side by side. The only ding I can say, is the weight of the reset, was very light, it didn't pull your finger forward, you felt yourself having to let off. I prefer a heavier weight here on the reset. This is defined by the trigger spring weight, of which the LaRue MBT was already the lightest of the bunch. My personal preference would be a slightly heavier trigger spring. Overall, reset is very strong. Nice trigger. I am thrilled to own it, and look forward to getting some real trigger time. I installed it in my precision AR, which is a Krieger barreled, LaRue railed, tack driver. View Quote This is the thread to discuss our new " LaRue MBT 2-Stage Trigger " and to see if you won. If you see your name get the hit - email your number / screen name / address etc. to [email protected] ML 1.1780 bluezerosix 2. 1414 PistolPackinMomma 3. 658 digger658 4. 1289 jonathon1289 5. 2586 FALARAK 6. 818 MONOFEO 7. 3325 Ulfhednar_42 8. 3669 - 1 - roadrnr 9. 395 ultramagbrion 10. 2810 - engineer201 11.1531 - Loadthis 12. .. 68 - FeHorse 13. 1244 - dlshady 14. 86 - Dodge223 15. 2361 - 1 - TheOtherDave (TOD wins runoff) 16. 3654 - 2 - SIMJEDI 17. 3546 - 2 - FrozInAK, 18. 1154- Speargun_ 19. 3958 - Safetyfast 20. 151 - 1 - MaxxII 21. 384 -1 - Blackhawk5 22. 624 - 3- RidgeDog 23. 3836 - 1 - cchurchi 24. 1024 - 2 - nickman54 25. 2501 - 0 - rvbrewer625 (rv had some extraneous chatter ) 26. 3334 - 1 - shooter_gregg 27. 2506 - 1 - Kspeer 28. 1718 - 1 - btm7687 29. 1977 - 4 - XDfense 30. 2552 - 2 - ZekeMenuar 31. 331 - 3 - sudboy 32. 2755 -1 - FAIL-SAFE 33. 1208 - 1- cgrant26 34. 1096 - 1 - ricorobi 35. 367 - 1 - -RotorDemon- 36. 2218 - 1 - DamonSriv 37. 71 - 1 - savage1971 38. 1998 - 2 - CPTI 39. 2265 - 1 - airman100 40. 1423 - 1 - DRhodes 41. 2488 - 1 - Spartanatheart 42. 1484 - 1 - slowkota1 43. 555 - 2 - 02Tbird 44. 2387 - 1 - Not_so_Clever, 45. 3245 - 1 - Rich_V 46. 846 - 1 - sturmjr 47. 707 - 1 - subvet707 48. 3578 - 1 - Rogue9 49. 928 - 2 - Amatty 50. 759 - 1 - justin76 And for the LaRue.com giveaway ... 1. John H. Tomball, TX 2. Jessica S. Huntersville, NC 3. Don H. Portland, OR 4. Ronnie P. San Antonio, TX 5. Kevin B. Gallatin, TX 6. CanH. River Ridge, LA 7. Nathan M. Virginia Beach 8. Garret L. Gladewater, TX 9. Franz D. Minneapolis, MN 10. Caleb C. Davenport, IA 11. James d. Pomona,CA 12. Jeffrey G. Arlington, TN 13. Allen M - Fort Fairfield, ME 14. Rob D. from Jamison, PA 15. Derek F. Magnolia, TX 16. Lance B Carrollton, TX 17. Michael S. Houma, LA 18. Anderson D. San Antonio, FL 19. Mike C, Garden City, KS 20. Russell R, Freeport, FL 21. Louis M. Bonham, TX 22. John F. from Fenton, MO 23. Casey R. from Apex, NC 24. Pat S. Bell, FL 25. Steven C. Mission, KS 26. Adam W. Houston, TX 27. Mark D. Barlett, TN 28. Roy D. Aberdeen, NJ 29. Dave H. Round Rock, TX 30. Philip W. Arlington, VA 31. Ben D. Statesville, NC 32. Matthew G. Los Angeles, CA 33. Donnie T. Lawrenceville, GA 34. Raymond C. San Francisco, CA 35. Jeff H. Monticello, IN 36. Ronald M. Round Rock, TX 37. Sherman B. Springdale, AR 38. Jesse A. Seattle, WA 39. Jordan C. Lubbock, TX 40. Darren Y. West Linn, OR 41. George K. Loomis, CA 42. Devlin B. Bellingham, WA 43. Mike K. Dallas, TX 44. John H. Nevada, TX 45. Miles A. West Linn, OR 46. Alena M. Irwin, PA 47. Austin C. Hoover, AL 48. Jonathan L. Covington, LA 49. Tim D. LaPlata, MD 50. Thomas G. Jonesborough, TN From page 33 in the other thread ... the first review. Ulfhednar_42, Thanks for the well-written first impression. ML ETA - And great pics. Quoted: UPS is on the ball this morning... trigger showed up. First impressions: 1) Packaging is very, very well done. In fact, this is the only trigger I have that hasn't shown up in a ziploc baggie. 2) Score - My trigger is 007 - thanks for engraving the 100 'give away' triggers 3) Machining looks perfect, as does the finish. The disconnector is not held in by the trigger pin, so there is no pre-assembly or slave pin needed to hold it together. 4) Installation - I dropped it into a bare lower to get an idea how it feels, there's one or two triggers this could 'bump' and I wanted to do as few trigger swaps as possible. Using a G-trigger alignment thingy, installed very easily. How does it feel... Well it's a hell of a nice 2 stage. Really nice in fact. The pull is right on the money as described 4 pounds 8.3 ounce average after 10 measured pulls. Maybe 1 or 2 oz variation, but that's on a bare lower in a rest. First stage is very smooth 2.5 pounds, where you hit a wall and another 2 pounds breaks the trigger. Good positive reset, not as short as an AR-Gold. I will be moving some triggers around and in the next day or two will do a bit more of a write-up and see if I can't give a comparison against a few of the triggers I have. And more importantly, go and shoot it. 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i think im going to have to preorder now in case i dont win
this is going to be perfect for my precision build if these are shipping Dec. 1 they should go along with a holiday dillo right? Mark what else you got cooking down there for us to spend our money on? |
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Looks sweet. Will my PredatOBR 5.56 that I have on order come with one?
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This one? Larue MBT-2S
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So is this why there has been no movement on getting those lowers out?
Looks like my holiday order just got a little bigger..... |
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pretty cool this would almost make my LT Stealth 100% LT other then the LPK parts
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Henry Ford made Charcoal... Is there a LaRue Charcoal coming too.
There sure isn't much else on an AR that you don't make your self now. Congratulations...!!! |
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Awesome trigger, wish you had a feather stuck, wait, wrong page.
ETA: Dammit! I see what happened there |
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Holy crap. I was getting ready to buy a new trigger today for my MK18 build. Well I will be putting that on hold now.
If LaRue is an option, LaRue is the answer. |
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This is a damn awful time to be broke. Thanks for the opportunity, Mark!
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Totally put one in mmynew LaRue lower when you release those too
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Oh my my...
You do know that would be pretty nice in a new lower, right Mark? Yes, of course you do, that's why you've been tempting us with the lower thread for 10 weeks. Gotta' appreciate a guy who understands the art of the add-on sale. A.W.D. |
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Yea, it is only doing it on Chrome. |
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Henry Ford made Charcoal... Is there a LaRue Charcoal coming too. There sure isn't much else on an AR that you don't make your self now. Congratulations...!!! View Quote Would each one of these briquettes have a dillo pressed into them, or would they actually be charcoal dillos? A.W.D. |
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So awesome! If I ever win a single thing in my life, let it be one of those!
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Now, wouldn't this new trigger work great with my UHFO stealth upper, an a LT lower. This will be a good Christmas!
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Muzzel breaks and cans next?
In all serious, congrats on the new endeavor. I'm sure this was a long process and I'm sure it will tie some of the other guys right from the start. While I lack lots of LT products that I lust over, I truly respect your drive to be the best and make the best. I have handled a few rifles, mounts and other stuff and 1 thing is for sure. It's all kickass stuff!! Keep up the good work. [beers] to you and the whole LT crew. |
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In for the contest…glad to have another entrant into the trigger market. And what a way to make an entrance!
Will all of your rifles be shipping with this trigger now? |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, all that is left now are muzzle devices?
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I actually had another trigger in my shopping cart today and got interrupted before I could place the order... glad I did - now I have my eye on this trigger for my SBR build.
I would also like this to go with the new Larue lower that we have been promised ;) |
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Hmmmm....well , one step closer to making EVERYTHING in house and controlling your own destiny ( no future shortages of parts).
Looks finely crafted and rugged all at the same time. And gosh, I sure will miss mashing the disconnect down with my thumb to get the slave pin in and /or misaligning the disconnect spring ! That's another why didn't someone think of that ages ago. Well done. |
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