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It looks legit to me, just that the barrel has been fluted after the fact.
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That gun looks like it has been bastardized... how does it shoot?
ETA: LaRue barrels are black, that looks grey. |
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Someone sent an LW obr barreled upper of to adco for gluting and had them leave the barrel bead blasted.
If I can interpret your pic it looks like it shoots well. |
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IIRC they seller said the barrel was stainless.
The group was almost 2", and was 2 FEET LOW AND RIGHT of the target I was aiming at. |
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IIRC they seller said the barrel was stainless. The group was almost 2", and was 2 FEET LOW AND RIGHT of the target I was aiming at. Get your scope sighted in...then work on the groups. this! once you are close you will probably have to try out a few different brands/weights of bullets to see what it really likes. easiest method to sight in. in a bench rest, put your cross hairs on the bullseye and fire one shot, if that shot is on the target without moving the rifle move the cross hairs to where the shot hit. |
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Someone sent an LW obr barreled upper of to adco for gluting and had them leave the barrel bead blasted. If I can interpret your pic it looks like it shoots well. View Quote This. Interesting rifle. Like others said you need to adjust your scope, once you have that sorted you'll probably tighten those groups right up from not being frustrated. Too bad they didn't dimple the barrel instead of flute it. I'd rather keep a rifle like for like, but damn if you have to use a different lower on it a KAC lower isn't a bad route to go...I have a SR15 and love that I can do the bolt release with my grip hand. |
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Based on the fact you didn't know you need to adjust your turrets, I'm going worse case scenario and going to guess 55 or 62 gr FMJ ammo.... Would I be correct? I would suggest getting a smaller focal target. Larger targets, lacking in contrast, sometimes make it more difficult for shooters to get the desired groups size. I would put a 1" paster on a white background and get some FGMM or equivalent and try again.... Once it's actually sighted in that is. Was that shot off hand? If so get a bipod and bag or a sled to give you a clear indication of what the "rifle" is capable of.
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I agree with the above posters, its an OBR upper that was fluted after the fact.
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How did the world not explode when you put a LaRue upper on a knights lower?
I figured there would be a shift in the space-time continuum or something. |
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Heck, let's face it...
The upper does all the work really. The lower is just there to "be supportive." A.W.D. |
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Since you were unaware that you'd need to adjust your scope, I'd suggest actually zeroing it, getting some match grade ammo (since you were probably using bulk or 885 or 193) and then trying again.
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Sight the damn thing in first... Or even have a gunsmith do it with a laser and grid.
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I know how to sight a scope in.
Really. But WTF I never had one that was THAT far off right out of the box. You guys are telling me this is normal and if your scope was this far off initially you wouldn't give it a second thought? |
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I know how to sight a scope in. Really. But WTF I never had one that was THAT far off right out of the box. You guys are telling me this is normal and if your scope was this far off initially you wouldn't give it a second thought? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I know how to sight a scope in. Really. But WTF I never had one that was THAT far off right out of the box. You guys are telling me this is normal and if your scope was this far off initially you wouldn't give it a second thought? The rifle has 10MOA cant built into the top rail. So you can shoot it further, aka get more out of your optic. You probably had it zeroed in on a 0 degree cant flat top. As for the left/right. Yeah that happens from one rifle to another. From LaRue's website: The continuous upper-rail provides plenty of room for weapon-mounted night-vision day/night combinations and provides correct ballistic orientation for all inline night-vision combinations. The 10 MOA cant gives users an added advantage when using magnified optics at longer distances. A step-down at the rear of the receiver creates zero MOA for use of BUIS’s at shorter distances.
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Wouldn't the 10MOA cant cause the impact to be high and not low?
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Adjusting my post. I'm bowing out as I don't know how you rifle was zeroed, on what type of gun, same mount, etc; what affect the fluting had on your barrel, if any; your actual skills and whatnot. If I was shooting that rifle I would have been adjusting that zero immediately, I guess we are all different. I have multiple LaRues and they shoot both accurately and consistently, I had to adjust my zero on all of them. I have to adjust my zero when I swap optics between rifles as well; which I do from time to time.
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Wouldn't the 10MOA cant cause the impact to be high and not low? View Quote Yes. Was the scope new when you got it? If so, did you check that turrets were center / center? I don't know how the NF scopes (assuming it's a NF because of focus ring) come but the leupy's are already centered. I still check though...the caps could have been installed off and you'd think it was zero but wasn't. In any case, try to eliminate variables...the scope is the first I'd look at. Next is ammo...put FGMM through it and see how it does. Trying to help give you ideas, I trust you know what you're doing since you knew well enough to buy a LaRue. Steve |
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Yes. Was the scope new when you got it? If so, did you check that turrets were center / center? I don't know how the NF scopes (assuming it's a NF because of focus ring) come but the leupy's are already centered. I still check though...the caps could have been installed off and you'd think it was zero but wasn't. In any case, try to eliminate variables...the scope is the first I'd look at. Next is ammo...put FGMM through it and see how it does. Trying to help give you ideas, I trust you know what you're doing since you knew well enough to buy a LaRue. Steve View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wouldn't the 10MOA cant cause the impact to be high and not low? Yes. Was the scope new when you got it? If so, did you check that turrets were center / center? I don't know how the NF scopes (assuming it's a NF because of focus ring) come but the leupy's are already centered. I still check though...the caps could have been installed off and you'd think it was zero but wasn't. In any case, try to eliminate variables...the scope is the first I'd look at. Next is ammo...put FGMM through it and see how it does. Trying to help give you ideas, I trust you know what you're doing since you knew well enough to buy a LaRue. Steve Why I'm bowing out, I had a momentary brain lapse and had it reversed |
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Wouldn't the 10MOA cant cause the impact to be high and not low? Yes. Was the scope new when you got it? If so, did you check that turrets were center / center? I don't know how the NF scopes (assuming it's a NF because of focus ring) come but the leupy's are already centered. I still check though...the caps could have been installed off and you'd think it was zero but wasn't. In any case, try to eliminate variables...the scope is the first I'd look at. Next is ammo...put FGMM through it and see how it does. Trying to help give you ideas, I trust you know what you're doing since you knew well enough to buy a LaRue. Steve Why I'm bowing out, I had a momentary brain lapse and had it reversed Its happened to the best of us, don't worry about it. |
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Quoted: Its happened to the best of us, don't worry about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wouldn't the 10MOA cant cause the impact to be high and not low? Yes. Was the scope new when you got it? If so, did you check that turrets were center / center? I don't know how the NF scopes (assuming it's a NF because of focus ring) come but the leupy's are already centered. I still check though...the caps could have been installed off and you'd think it was zero but wasn't. In any case, try to eliminate variables...the scope is the first I'd look at. Next is ammo...put FGMM through it and see how it does. Trying to help give you ideas, I trust you know what you're doing since you knew well enough to buy a LaRue. Steve Why I'm bowing out, I had a momentary brain lapse and had it reversed Its happened to the best of us, don't worry about it. This would cause the scope to point more down, thus, giving you the distance to cope with "bullet drop" at longer ranges. So yes, the 10 MOA would put you 10MOA further down from an out of the box scope than you're used to, because of the MOA built into the rail on the upper. Meaning you'd have to "Come up" on your initial zero, leaving your zero higher than in the middle of your scopes range, effectively giving you more dials for elevation down. This image will help to understand the difference between MOA cants. |
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Unless I'm mistaken, I think you're wrong rotarhead. http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/osr_cad200_0.jpg This would cause the scope to point more down, thus, giving you the distance to cope with "bullet drop" at longer ranges. So yes, the 10 MOA would put you 10MOA further down from an out of the box scope than you're used to, because of the MOA built into the rail on the upper. Meaning you'd have to "Come up" on your initial zero, leaving your zero higher than in the middle of your scopes range, effectively giving you more dials for elevation down. This image will help to understand the difference between MOA cants. http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/mw1311/Misc/9ad9415d.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wouldn't the 10MOA cant cause the impact to be high and not low? Yes. Was the scope new when you got it? If so, did you check that turrets were center / center? I don't know how the NF scopes (assuming it's a NF because of focus ring) come but the leupy's are already centered. I still check though...the caps could have been installed off and you'd think it was zero but wasn't. In any case, try to eliminate variables...the scope is the first I'd look at. Next is ammo...put FGMM through it and see how it does. Trying to help give you ideas, I trust you know what you're doing since you knew well enough to buy a LaRue. Steve Why I'm bowing out, I had a momentary brain lapse and had it reversed Its happened to the best of us, don't worry about it. http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/osr_cad200_0.jpg This would cause the scope to point more down, thus, giving you the distance to cope with "bullet drop" at longer ranges. So yes, the 10 MOA would put you 10MOA further down from an out of the box scope than you're used to, because of the MOA built into the rail on the upper. Meaning you'd have to "Come up" on your initial zero, leaving your zero higher than in the middle of your scopes range, effectively giving you more dials for elevation down. This image will help to understand the difference between MOA cants. http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/mw1311/Misc/9ad9415d.jpg That's what I thought at first, which is why I pointed it out...My brain is fried today. One of those days at work. Anyways, I'm still out of suggestions other than adjusting the scope |
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Unless I'm mistaken, I think you're wrong rotarhead. http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/osr_cad200_0.jpg This would cause the scope to point more down, thus, giving you the distance to cope with "bullet drop" at longer ranges. So yes, the 10 MOA would put you 10MOA further down from an out of the box scope than you're used to, because of the MOA built into the rail on the upper. Meaning you'd have to "Come up" on your initial zero, leaving your zero higher than in the middle of your scopes range, effectively giving you more dials for elevation down. This image will help to understand the difference between MOA cants. http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/mw1311/Misc/9ad9415d.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wouldn't the 10MOA cant cause the impact to be high and not low? Yes. Was the scope new when you got it? If so, did you check that turrets were center / center? I don't know how the NF scopes (assuming it's a NF because of focus ring) come but the leupy's are already centered. I still check though...the caps could have been installed off and you'd think it was zero but wasn't. In any case, try to eliminate variables...the scope is the first I'd look at. Next is ammo...put FGMM through it and see how it does. Trying to help give you ideas, I trust you know what you're doing since you knew well enough to buy a LaRue. Steve Why I'm bowing out, I had a momentary brain lapse and had it reversed Its happened to the best of us, don't worry about it. http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/osr_cad200_0.jpg This would cause the scope to point more down, thus, giving you the distance to cope with "bullet drop" at longer ranges. So yes, the 10 MOA would put you 10MOA further down from an out of the box scope than you're used to, because of the MOA built into the rail on the upper. Meaning you'd have to "Come up" on your initial zero, leaving your zero higher than in the middle of your scopes range, effectively giving you more dials for elevation down. This image will help to understand the difference between MOA cants. http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/mw1311/Misc/9ad9415d.jpg Look again my friend. |
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A scope zeroed on a 0 MOA rifle is zeroed at 100 yards.
The same scope moved over to a 10 MOA rifle without adjustment, aimed at the same point will cause the rounds to hit high. I'd draw a diagram but meh... |
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So what were the groups after you zero'd the rifle out?
The first rounds out of a new to you gun, with a new scope not zero'd to that gun, in a new mount mean jack as far as where they hit on paper until it's zero'd. You can still group a rifle like that if you maintained the same POA, the POI just won't be where the POA is. |
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I really don't think the MOA built in the upper has much to do with the initial impact of the rounds. I can take one of my optics off gun A and put on gun B and they are never close to "zero". Every upper has a little different in alignment with the bore. I have never swapped optics and had a close zero with a previously zeroed optic from another rig. Throw in a factory new optic into the variables department sand you get a nice POA / POI spread. Though as stated above, that shouldn't change the size of your groups. That's all on the shooter
Behold I have a solution! Since the OPs groups are so terrible (looks like Michael j Fox's target...too soon?) and it isn't magically sighted in, I'm willing to go purchase a bargain basement walmart special and equip it with a nice Tasco. I'll include in this trade 200rds of 69gr FGMM and it will come pre zeroed so all you have to do is point and you will get smaller groups in the area your aiming. I'll take the OBR and replicate a sub MOA test target (after zeroing) and start slaying critters/steel as intended. What say you? |
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I really don't think the MOA built in the upper has much to do with the initial impact of the rounds. I can take one of my optics off gun A and put on gun B and they are never close to "zero". Every upper has a little different in alignment with the bore. I have never swapped optics and had a close zero with a previously zeroed optic from another rig. Throw in a factory new optic into the variables department sand you get a nice POA / POI spread. Though as stated above, that shouldn't change the size of your groups. That's all on the shooter Behold I have a solution! Since the OPs groups are so terrible (looks like Michael j Fox's target...too soon?) and it isn't magically sighted in, I'm willing to go purchase a bargain basement walmart special and equip it with a nice Tasco. I'll include in this trade 200rds of 69gr FGMM and it will come pre zeroed so all you have to do is point and you will get smaller groups in the area your aiming. I'll take the OBR and replicate a sub MOA test target (after zeroing) and start slaying critters/steel as intended. What say you? View Quote His group is the one on the bottom right...it really isn't that bad, although it could still get alot better. I agree, scope zero won't affect group size...but if you haven't taken the time to zero the scope then you probably aren't concerned with ammunition, shooting technique, etc. |
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